On 06-Aug-24 09:46, RonO wrote:
I found an article on creationism, intelligent design and Vendanta. Even
though Kalkidas came out as a normal Biblical creationists there have
been Hindu sympathetic to Scientific Creationism and the ID creationist
scam on TO.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4802803/
The author thinks that science is a search for truth. I have never
considered science to be a search for truth. It is just the best means
we have of developing a working understanding of nature. This
understanding may not be the "truth" but it could be close, and allows
us to improve our understanding of nature and expand a functional
understanding of the reality that we exist in.
I do not recall Kalk ever stating how intelligent design supported his
hindu beliefs, and vice versa, but he did quote the Vedas from time to
time.
A section of the paper compares Vendata to the ID creationist scam.
Huh. I missed Kalkidas coming out as a fundamentalist Christian
creationist. Did he have a conversion experience, or was he a Christian
all along and lying about it?
Either way, I'm not all that surprised. For a lot of folks, denialism
isn't about what is, but rather what ISN'T: Moon landing denialists will gladly accommodate flat-Earthers, orbit-onlyists, fake-landings-real-pictures, fake-pictures-real-landings, and even
"secret nazi base on the far side of the Moon" crackpots, as long as
they all agree that the official account is somehow bogus.
On Tue, 6 Aug 2024 16:24:30 +0000, Kestrel Clayton wrote:
On 06-Aug-24 09:46, RonO wrote:
I found an article on creationism, intelligent design and Vendanta. Even >>> though Kalkidas came out as a normal Biblical creationists there have
been Hindu sympathetic to Scientific Creationism and the ID creationist
scam on TO.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4802803/
The author thinks that science is a search for truth. I have never
considered science to be a search for truth. It is just the best means >>> we have of developing a working understanding of nature. This
understanding may not be the "truth" but it could be close, and allows
us to improve our understanding of nature and expand a functional
understanding of the reality that we exist in.
I do not recall Kalk ever stating how intelligent design supported his
hindu beliefs, and vice versa, but he did quote the Vedas from time to
time.
A section of the paper compares Vendata to the ID creationist scam.
Huh. I missed Kalkidas coming out as a fundamentalist Christian
creationist. Did he have a conversion experience, or was he a Christian
all along and lying about it?
neither, as far as I can tell. Though of course conversions, while comparatively rare, do happen. But as far as I'm aware, he always was
and still is a follower of Vaishnavism.
He only ever objected to certain labels (with some good reasons I'd say)
so
the use of the exonym Hinduism
Either way, I'm not all that surprised. For a lot of folks, denialism
isn't about what is, but rather what ISN'T: Moon landing denialists will
gladly accommodate flat-Earthers, orbit-onlyists,
fake-landings-real-pictures, fake-pictures-real-landings, and even
"secret nazi base on the far side of the Moon" crackpots, as long as
they all agree that the official account is somehow bogus.
Well, that's possibly closer the issue, as you, me and pretty much all
other contributors to TO on the science side are dead, we just
did not get the memo yet - the bioengineered Covid vaccine killed
us all, as planned by the oligarchs, for reasons unknown. Or so
Kalkidas
On 8/8/2024 5:20 AM, Ernest Major wrote:
On 08/08/2024 10:09, Burkhard wrote:
On Tue, 6 Aug 2024 16:24:30 +0000, Kestrel Clayton wrote:
On 06-Aug-24 09:46, RonO wrote:
I found an article on creationism, intelligent design and Vendanta.
Even
though Kalkidas came out as a normal Biblical creationists there have >>>>> been Hindu sympathetic to Scientific Creationism and the ID
creationist
scam on TO.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4802803/
The author thinks that science is a search for truth. I have never >>>>> considered science to be a search for truth. It is just the best
means
we have of developing a working understanding of nature. This
understanding may not be the "truth" but it could be close, and allows >>>>> us to improve our understanding of nature and expand a functional
understanding of the reality that we exist in.
I do not recall Kalk ever stating how intelligent design supported his >>>>> hindu beliefs, and vice versa, but he did quote the Vedas from time to >>>>> time.
A section of the paper compares Vendata to the ID creationist scam.
Huh. I missed Kalkidas coming out as a fundamentalist Christian
creationist. Did he have a conversion experience, or was he a Christian >>>> all along and lying about it?
neither, as far as I can tell. Though of course conversions, while
comparatively rare, do happen. But as far as I'm aware, he always was
and still is a follower of Vaishnavism.
He only ever objected to certain labels (with some good reasons I'd say) >>> so
the use of the exonym Hinduism
Either way, I'm not all that surprised. For a lot of folks, denialism
isn't about what is, but rather what ISN'T: Moon landing denialists
will
gladly accommodate flat-Earthers, orbit-onlyists,
fake-landings-real-pictures, fake-pictures-real-landings, and even
"secret nazi base on the far side of the Moon" crackpots, as long as
they all agree that the official account is somehow bogus.
Well, that's possibly closer the issue, as you, me and pretty much all
other contributors to TO on the science side are dead, we just
did not get the memo yet - the bioengineered Covid vaccine killed
us all, as planned by the oligarchs, for reasons unknown. Or so
Kalkidas
As I recall, as few months back he said that he was a Christian, or at
least something that was readily interpreted as that.
When the Top Six came out in Nov. 2017 Kalk tried to go with Glenn and
run from what the ID perps had just told them. Bill just quit the ID
scam and claimed that he had never supported the ID scam (everyone knows
that Bill has been an IDiot from when he first started to post here).
Bill likely meant that he had never supported what the ID scam had
always been. Pagano claimed that the Top Six were bogus, and were not
the best evidence for the ID creationist scam. He tried to put up
Dembski's junk instead, but Dembski had retired from the ID scam as an
abject failure and none of his junk had made it into what the other ID
perps considered to be the best evidence for ID. Pagano quit posting. Nyikos was MIA and after his return to TO he was clueless for years
about what the Top Six had done to the ID scam. When Nyikos finally addressed the Top Six it destroyed his space alien fantasy. Nyikos
started going on about god like space aliens from another universe could account for the Top Six. It turned out that Nyikos had always been supporting the ID scam to support his religious beliefs. Dean kept
claiming that he did not remember not being able to deal with them every
time he came back to post to TO. MarkE was likely never an IDiot, but
he could not give up on the god-of-the-gaps denial and started putting
the Top Six up one at a time, but he found that he could not deal with
them one at a time either when he spent a lot of time defining what was around the origin of life gap in order to claim that the gap would never
be filled. It turned out that the god that filled that gap was not the Biblical god, and MarkE quit putting up the lame Top Six gap denials.
After a few months of running from the Top Six and just trying to post
the second rate junk that the ID perps were still putting out Kalk
claimed to quit supporting the ID scam. He claimed that the ID scam
junk was no longer worth thinking about. Around that same time he
admitted that he was not Hindu, and claimed that he had never claimed to
be Hindu. That was in 2018, and I recall having to give a link to that
post for someone that had missed the event, but I didn't save the link anywhere, or I'd put it up again.
Ron Okimoto
On 08/08/2024 12:20, RonO wrote:
On 8/8/2024 5:20 AM, Ernest Major wrote:
On 08/08/2024 10:09, Burkhard wrote:
On Tue, 6 Aug 2024 16:24:30 +0000, Kestrel Clayton wrote:
On 06-Aug-24 09:46, RonO wrote:
I found an article on creationism, intelligent design and Vendanta. >>>>>> EvenHuh. I missed Kalkidas coming out as a fundamentalist Christian
though Kalkidas came out as a normal Biblical creationists there have >>>>>> been Hindu sympathetic to Scientific Creationism and the ID
creationist
scam on TO.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4802803/
The author thinks that science is a search for truth. I have never >>>>>> considered science to be a search for truth. It is just the best >>>>>> means
we have of developing a working understanding of nature. This
understanding may not be the "truth" but it could be close, and allows >>>>>> us to improve our understanding of nature and expand a functional
understanding of the reality that we exist in.
I do not recall Kalk ever stating how intelligent design supported his >>>>>> hindu beliefs, and vice versa, but he did quote the Vedas from time to >>>>>> time.
A section of the paper compares Vendata to the ID creationist scam. >>>>>
creationist. Did he have a conversion experience, or was he a Christian >>>>> all along and lying about it?
neither, as far as I can tell. Though of course conversions, while
comparatively rare, do happen. But as far as I'm aware, he always was
and still is a follower of Vaishnavism.
He only ever objected to certain labels (with some good reasons I'd say) >>>> so
the use of the exonym Hinduism
Either way, I'm not all that surprised. For a lot of folks, denialism >>>>> isn't about what is, but rather what ISN'T: Moon landing denialists
will
gladly accommodate flat-Earthers, orbit-onlyists,
fake-landings-real-pictures, fake-pictures-real-landings, and even
"secret nazi base on the far side of the Moon" crackpots, as long as >>>>> they all agree that the official account is somehow bogus.
Well, that's possibly closer the issue, as you, me and pretty much all >>>> other contributors to TO on the science side are dead, we just
did not get the memo yet - the bioengineered Covid vaccine killed
us all, as planned by the oligarchs, for reasons unknown. Or so
Kalkidas
As I recall, as few months back he said that he was a Christian, or at
least something that was readily interpreted as that.
When the Top Six came out in Nov. 2017 Kalk tried to go with Glenn and
run from what the ID perps had just told them. Bill just quit the ID
scam and claimed that he had never supported the ID scam (everyone knows
that Bill has been an IDiot from when he first started to post here).
Bill likely meant that he had never supported what the ID scam had
always been. Pagano claimed that the Top Six were bogus, and were not
the best evidence for the ID creationist scam. He tried to put up
Dembski's junk instead, but Dembski had retired from the ID scam as an
abject failure and none of his junk had made it into what the other ID
perps considered to be the best evidence for ID. Pagano quit posting.
Nyikos was MIA and after his return to TO he was clueless for years
about what the Top Six had done to the ID scam. When Nyikos finally
addressed the Top Six it destroyed his space alien fantasy. Nyikos
started going on about god like space aliens from another universe could
account for the Top Six. It turned out that Nyikos had always been
supporting the ID scam to support his religious beliefs. Dean kept
claiming that he did not remember not being able to deal with them every
time he came back to post to TO. MarkE was likely never an IDiot, but
he could not give up on the god-of-the-gaps denial and started putting
the Top Six up one at a time, but he found that he could not deal with
them one at a time either when he spent a lot of time defining what was
around the origin of life gap in order to claim that the gap would never
be filled. It turned out that the god that filled that gap was not the
Biblical god, and MarkE quit putting up the lame Top Six gap denials.
After a few months of running from the Top Six and just trying to post
the second rate junk that the ID perps were still putting out Kalk
claimed to quit supporting the ID scam. He claimed that the ID scam
junk was no longer worth thinking about. Around that same time he
admitted that he was not Hindu, and claimed that he had never claimed to
be Hindu. That was in 2018, and I recall having to give a link to that
post for someone that had missed the event, but I didn't save the link
anywhere, or I'd put it up again.
Ron Okimoto
Denying that he's a Hindu is not the same as stating that he's a
Christian, and is not inconsistent with Burkhard's characterisation of
his position.
On Tue, 6 Aug 2024 16:24:30 +0000, Kestrel Clayton wrote:
On 06-Aug-24 09:46, RonO wrote:
I found an article on creationism, intelligent design and Vendanta. Even >>> though Kalkidas came out as a normal Biblical creationists there have
been Hindu sympathetic to Scientific Creationism and the ID creationist
scam on TO.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4802803/
The author thinks that science is a search for truth. I have never
considered science to be a search for truth. It is just the best means >>> we have of developing a working understanding of nature. This
understanding may not be the "truth" but it could be close, and allows
us to improve our understanding of nature and expand a functional
understanding of the reality that we exist in.
I do not recall Kalk ever stating how intelligent design supported his
hindu beliefs, and vice versa, but he did quote the Vedas from time to
time.
A section of the paper compares Vendata to the ID creationist scam.
Huh. I missed Kalkidas coming out as a fundamentalist Christian
creationist. Did he have a conversion experience, or was he a Christian
all along and lying about it?
neither, as far as I can tell. Though of course conversions, while comparatively rare, do happen. But as far as I'm aware, he always was
and still is a follower of Vaishnavism.
He only ever objected to certain labels (with some good reasons I'd say)
so
the use of the exonym Hinduism
Either way, I'm not all that surprised. For a lot of folks, denialism
isn't about what is, but rather what ISN'T: Moon landing denialists will
gladly accommodate flat-Earthers, orbit-onlyists,
fake-landings-real-pictures, fake-pictures-real-landings, and even
"secret nazi base on the far side of the Moon" crackpots, as long as
they all agree that the official account is somehow bogus.
Well, that's possibly closer the issue, as you, me and pretty much all
other contributors to TO on the science side are dead, we just
did not get the memo yet - the bioengineered Covid vaccine killed
us all, as planned by the oligarchs, for reasons unknown. Or so
Kalkidas
Burkhard wrote:
On Tue, 6 Aug 2024 16:24:30 +0000, Kestrel Clayton wrote:
On 06-Aug-24 09:46, RonO wrote:
I found an article on creationism, intelligent design and Vendanta. Even >>>> though Kalkidas came out as a normal Biblical creationists there have
been Hindu sympathetic to Scientific Creationism and the ID creationist >>>> scam on TO.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4802803/
The author thinks that science is a search for truth. I have never
considered science to be a search for truth. It is just the best means >>>> we have of developing a working understanding of nature. This
understanding may not be the "truth" but it could be close, and allows >>>> us to improve our understanding of nature and expand a functional
understanding of the reality that we exist in.
I do not recall Kalk ever stating how intelligent design supported his >>>> hindu beliefs, and vice versa, but he did quote the Vedas from time to >>>> time.
A section of the paper compares Vendata to the ID creationist scam.
Huh. I missed Kalkidas coming out as a fundamentalist Christian
creationist. Did he have a conversion experience, or was he a Christian
all along and lying about it?
neither, as far as I can tell. Though of course conversions, while
comparatively rare, do happen. But as far as I'm aware, he always was
and still is a follower of Vaishnavism.
He only ever objected to certain labels (with some good reasons I'd say)
so
the use of the exonym Hinduism
Either way, I'm not all that surprised. For a lot of folks, denialism
isn't about what is, but rather what ISN'T: Moon landing denialists will >>> gladly accommodate flat-Earthers, orbit-onlyists,
fake-landings-real-pictures, fake-pictures-real-landings, and even
"secret nazi base on the far side of the Moon" crackpots, as long as
they all agree that the official account is somehow bogus.
Well, that's possibly closer the issue, as you, me and pretty much all
other contributors to TO on the science side are dead, we just
did not get the memo yet - the bioengineered Covid vaccine killed
us all, as planned by the oligarchs, for reasons unknown. Or so
Kalkidas
Wasn't it Nando who was sure we'd all be dead by now? Was he an
alter-ego of Kalkidas?
On 8/14/2024 5:08 AM, Burkhard wrote:
On Tue, 13 Aug 2024 0:57:13 +0000, Chris Thompson wrote:
Burkhard wrote:
On Tue, 6 Aug 2024 16:24:30 +0000, Kestrel Clayton wrote:
On 06-Aug-24 09:46, RonO wrote:
I found an article on creationism, intelligent design andHuh. I missed Kalkidas coming out as a fundamentalist Christian
Vendanta. Even
though Kalkidas came out as a normal Biblical creationists there have >>>>>> been Hindu sympathetic to Scientific Creationism and the ID
creationist
scam on TO.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4802803/
The author thinks that science is a search for truth. I have never >>>>>> considered science to be a search for truth. It is just the best >>>>>> means
we have of developing a working understanding of nature. This
understanding may not be the "truth" but it could be close, and
allows
us to improve our understanding of nature and expand a functional
understanding of the reality that we exist in.
I do not recall Kalk ever stating how intelligent design supported >>>>>> his
hindu beliefs, and vice versa, but he did quote the Vedas from
time to
time.
A section of the paper compares Vendata to the ID creationist scam. >>>>>
creationist. Did he have a conversion experience, or was he a
Christian
all along and lying about it?
neither, as far as I can tell. Though of course conversions, while
comparatively rare, do happen. But as far as I'm aware, he always was
and still is a follower of Vaishnavism.
He only ever objected to certain labels (with some good reasons I'd
say)
so
the use of the exonym Hinduism
Either way, I'm not all that surprised. For a lot of folks, denialism >>>>> isn't about what is, but rather what ISN'T: Moon landing denialists
will
gladly accommodate flat-Earthers, orbit-onlyists,
fake-landings-real-pictures, fake-pictures-real-landings, and even
"secret nazi base on the far side of the Moon" crackpots, as long as >>>>> they all agree that the official account is somehow bogus.
Well, that's possibly closer the issue, as you, me and pretty much all >>>> other contributors to TO on the science side are dead, we just
did not get the memo yet - the bioengineered Covid vaccine killed
us all, as planned by the oligarchs, for reasons unknown. Or so
Kalkidas
Wasn't it Nando who was sure we'd all be dead by now? Was he an
alter-ego of Kalkidas?
not alter ego, and of course much worse, but somewhat disappointingly
in case of Kalkidas, he also predicted imminent doom. To
rephrase Chesterton's dictum (on victorian atheists), When a
person stops believing in science they don’t then believe
in nothing, they believe anything.
I think Eddie was a JW or was bounced from the group, and they had a
dooms day theology. Their profit or leader claimed to have calculated
the end times. At that time they were day for ages creationists that believed that each day was 7 thousand years long and that the final 7 thousand years was set to end in the 1970's, but it didn't happen, and
the guy kept revising his calculations until he died, and his last
predicted date came and went. Apparently some JW believe that the world actually ended as predicted it just is not that noticeable. The
Scientific Creationists at the ICR initially accommodated their 50,000
year age of the earth (at one time the ICR was claiming that the earth
had to be less than 50,000 years old, but currently they are claiming
less than 20,000 after the defection of the JW) because the JW were one
of the main supporters for scientific creationism in the 70's and 80's,
but when Eddie put up their current creationist theology where each day
can be any length of time, and they reinterpreted when the sun and moon
were created. I do not think that Eddie had been aware of how his
theology had changed within the last few decades and pointing out how drastically his creationist beliefs had changed seemed to be something
that Eddie couldn't deal with. Eddie was impervious to any rational reasoning, but the fact that his biblical literalistic views had changed
so drastically seemed to destroy his fervor to support the current creationist claims. After that he wasn't as active as a poster. Eddie quit posting, probably, within half a year after putting up his then
current JW creationist alternative. He seemed to have self destructed
by finally understanding what he was supposed to believe.
Ron Okimoto
On Tue, 13 Aug 2024 0:57:13 +0000, Chris Thompson wrote:
Burkhard wrote:
On Tue, 6 Aug 2024 16:24:30 +0000, Kestrel Clayton wrote:
On 06-Aug-24 09:46, RonO wrote:
I found an article on creationism, intelligent design and Vendanta.
Even
though Kalkidas came out as a normal Biblical creationists there have >>>>> been Hindu sympathetic to Scientific Creationism and the ID
creationist
scam on TO.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4802803/
The author thinks that science is a search for truth. I have never >>>>> considered science to be a search for truth. It is just the best
means
we have of developing a working understanding of nature. This
understanding may not be the "truth" but it could be close, and allows >>>>> us to improve our understanding of nature and expand a functional
understanding of the reality that we exist in.
I do not recall Kalk ever stating how intelligent design supported his >>>>> hindu beliefs, and vice versa, but he did quote the Vedas from time to >>>>> time.
A section of the paper compares Vendata to the ID creationist scam.
Huh. I missed Kalkidas coming out as a fundamentalist Christian
creationist. Did he have a conversion experience, or was he a Christian >>>> all along and lying about it?
neither, as far as I can tell. Though of course conversions, while
comparatively rare, do happen. But as far as I'm aware, he always was
and still is a follower of Vaishnavism.
He only ever objected to certain labels (with some good reasons I'd say) >>> so
the use of the exonym Hinduism
Either way, I'm not all that surprised. For a lot of folks, denialism
isn't about what is, but rather what ISN'T: Moon landing denialists
will
gladly accommodate flat-Earthers, orbit-onlyists,
fake-landings-real-pictures, fake-pictures-real-landings, and even
"secret nazi base on the far side of the Moon" crackpots, as long as
they all agree that the official account is somehow bogus.
Well, that's possibly closer the issue, as you, me and pretty much all
other contributors to TO on the science side are dead, we just
did not get the memo yet - the bioengineered Covid vaccine killed
us all, as planned by the oligarchs, for reasons unknown. Or so
Kalkidas
Wasn't it Nando who was sure we'd all be dead by now? Was he an
alter-ego of Kalkidas?
not alter ego, and of course much worse, but somewhat disappointingly
in case of Kalkidas, he also predicted imminent doom. To
rephrase Chesterton's dictum (on victorian atheists), When a
person stops believing in science they don’t then believe
in nothing, they believe anything.
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