• Re: Past TO post links

    From *Hemidactylus*@21:1/5 to RonO on Wed Sep 18 14:28:04 2024
    RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com> wrote:
    Now that google isn't archiving Newsgroups how do we link back to past
    posts? I used to always use the google address for a post because it was
    easy to get it, but that hasn't been possible after Google stopped
    supporting newsgroups.

    I've tried to find how eternal september could do it, but they do not
    seem to have a feature to provide the post address like google had.

    Maybe this? Some people like Daggett and Burkhard had posted from this
    site.

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  • From *Hemidactylus*@21:1/5 to RonO on Wed Sep 18 14:39:05 2024
    RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com> wrote:
    Now that google isn't archiving Newsgroups how do we link back to past
    posts? I used to always use the google address for a post because it was
    easy to get it, but that hasn't been possible after Google stopped
    supporting newsgroups.

    I've tried to find how eternal september could do it, but they do not
    seem to have a feature to provide the post address like google had.


    Oops this:

    https://www.novabbs.com/interests/thread.php?group=talk.origins

    Forgot to paste the link.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?QW5kcsOpIEcuIElzYWFr?=@21:1/5 to RonO on Wed Sep 18 09:34:20 2024
    On 2024-09-18 07:26, RonO wrote:
    Now that google isn't archiving Newsgroups how do we link back to past
    posts? I used to always use the google address for a post because it was
    easy to get it, but that hasn't been possible after Google stopped
    supporting newsgroups.

    I've tried to find how eternal september could do it, but they do not
    seem to have a feature to provide the post address like google had.

    Ron Okimoto


    You can use the message ID.

    People can then access articles from <http://al.howardknight.net>

    André

    --
    To email remove 'invalid' & replace 'gm' with well known Google mail
    service.

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  • From Bob Casanova@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 18 09:26:39 2024
    On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 07:56:46 -0700, the following appeared
    in talk.origins, posted by erik simpson
    <eastside.erik@gmail.com>:

    On 9/18/24 6:26 AM, RonO wrote:
    Now that google isn't archiving Newsgroups how do we link back to past
    posts? I used to always use the google address for a post because it was
    easy to get it, but that hasn't been possible after Google stopped
    supporting newsgroups.

    I've tried to find how eternal september could do it, but they do not
    seem to have a feature to provide the post address like google had.

    Ron Okimoto

    Using Thunderbolt as the mail interface makes it pretty easy. You can >specify how many posts to read. If 100000 doesn't get the ones you
    want, try 150000. It can take a while to load all that. Is there
    anything back there that's really work reading again?

    Worth reading again? Not usually, but beloved by those like
    Peter Nyikos who delighted in dragging up multiple, usually
    out-of-context and/or frequently irrelevant, snippets and
    combining them into a single "wall o' text".

    --

    Bob C.

    "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
    the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
    'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

    - Isaac Asimov

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  • From Bob Casanova@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 18 21:15:09 2024
    On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 12:32:00 -0500, the following appeared
    in talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>:

    On 9/18/2024 11:26 AM, Bob Casanova wrote:
    On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 07:56:46 -0700, the following appeared
    in talk.origins, posted by erik simpson
    <eastside.erik@gmail.com>:

    On 9/18/24 6:26 AM, RonO wrote:
    Now that google isn't archiving Newsgroups how do we link back to past >>>> posts? I used to always use the google address for a post because it was >>>> easy to get it, but that hasn't been possible after Google stopped
    supporting newsgroups.

    I've tried to find how eternal september could do it, but they do not
    seem to have a feature to provide the post address like google had.

    Ron Okimoto

    Using Thunderbolt as the mail interface makes it pretty easy. You can
    specify how many posts to read. If 100000 doesn't get the ones you
    want, try 150000. It can take a while to load all that. Is there
    anything back there that's really work reading again?

    Worth reading again? Not usually, but beloved by those like
    Peter Nyikos who delighted in dragging up multiple, usually
    out-of-context and/or frequently irrelevant, snippets and
    combining them into a single "wall o' text".


    Nyikos would do that because he could quote mine and only take the part
    of the post that he wanted to lie about.

    Sure; that's what I meant by "multiple, usually
    out-of-context and/or frequently irrelevant, snippets":
    quote mining, plus irrelevancies.

    He had this notion of a self
    contained lie, that he was supposed to have never told. Nyikos would
    make sure that the material he was lying about was not in the post where
    he was lying. It is why he would snip out the relevant material before >replying to a post.

    What I need is a way to link back to the whole post, so that you can see
    the context if you want to check it out.

    If you have the message ID that should be enough, whether
    Gurgle has it or not. If not (and I confess I really don't
    know) you're out of luck.

    --

    Bob C.

    "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
    the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
    'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

    - Isaac Asimov

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  • From Bob Casanova@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 20 10:22:49 2024
    On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 07:18:16 -0700, the following appeared
    in talk.origins, posted by erik simpson
    <eastside.erik@gmail.com>:

    On 9/20/24 4:31 AM, jillery wrote:
    On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 12:32:00 -0500, RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 9/18/2024 11:26 AM, Bob Casanova wrote:
    On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 07:56:46 -0700, the following appeared
    in talk.origins, posted by erik simpson
    <eastside.erik@gmail.com>:

    On 9/18/24 6:26 AM, RonO wrote:
    Now that google isn't archiving Newsgroups how do we link back to past >>>>>> posts? I used to always use the google address for a post because it was >>>>>> easy to get it, but that hasn't been possible after Google stopped >>>>>> supporting newsgroups.

    I've tried to find how eternal september could do it, but they do not >>>>>> seem to have a feature to provide the post address like google had. >>>>>>
    Ron Okimoto

    Using Thunderbolt as the mail interface makes it pretty easy. You can >>>>> specify how many posts to read. If 100000 doesn't get the ones you
    want, try 150000. It can take a while to load all that. Is there
    anything back there that's really work reading again?

    Worth reading again? Not usually, but beloved by those like
    Peter Nyikos who delighted in dragging up multiple, usually
    out-of-context and/or frequently irrelevant, snippets and
    combining them into a single "wall o' text".


    Nyikos would do that because he could quote mine and only take the part
    of the post that he wanted to lie about. He had this notion of a self
    contained lie, that he was supposed to have never told. Nyikos would
    make sure that the material he was lying about was not in the post where >>> he was lying. It is why he would snip out the relevant material before
    replying to a post.

    What I need is a way to link back to the whole post, so that you can see >>> the context if you want to check it out.

    Ron Okimoto


    Most of the bigger Usenet servers like Giganews claim to archive posts
    for text froups like T.O. going back at least 10 years.

    Agent has the ability to locally archive and search past posts. It's
    ability to search using keywords is reasonably extensive. I have
    archived T.O. since 1/1/2010. If anybody has a need, I can provide
    complete copies of past posts going back to then.

    --
    To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

    With all that data, you could compile a book of Peter's contributions.
    Ugh. Ugh. Ugh.

    Or you could ram red-hot pokers into your eyes...

    --

    Bob C.

    "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
    the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
    'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

    - Isaac Asimov

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  • From *Hemidactylus*@21:1/5 to erik simpson on Wed Sep 25 00:53:20 2024
    erik simpson <eastside.erik@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 9/24/24 6:15 AM, jillery wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 07:18:16 -0700, erik simpson
    <eastside.erik@gmail.com> wrote:

    With all that data, you could compile a book of Peter's contributions.


    Or your's.


    Ugh. Ugh. Ugh.


    I could do that, but to what end?

    --
    To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

    I should have "one could compile a book". But I wouldn't suggest that anybody should.

    There’s enough online to generate an AI version (a mindclone). Imagine how fun that might be.

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  • From *Hemidactylus*@21:1/5 to erik simpson on Wed Sep 25 19:24:04 2024
    erik simpson <eastside.erik@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 9/24/24 5:53 PM, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
    erik simpson <eastside.erik@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 9/24/24 6:15 AM, jillery wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 07:18:16 -0700, erik simpson
    <eastside.erik@gmail.com> wrote:

    With all that data, you could compile a book of Peter's contributions. >>>>

    Or your's.


    Ugh. Ugh. Ugh.


    I could do that, but to what end?

    --
    To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

    I should have "one could compile a book". But I wouldn't suggest that
    anybody should.

    There’s enough online to generate an AI version (a mindclone). Imagine how >> fun that might be.

    An AI version of Peter (or me)? Even more ughs.

    An AI Erik might be interesting.

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  • From *Hemidactylus*@21:1/5 to Kestrel Clayton on Wed Sep 25 19:23:17 2024
    Kestrel Clayton <richZIG.e.clayZIGton@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 24-Sep-24 20:53, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
    erik simpson <eastside.erik@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 9/24/24 6:15 AM, jillery wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 07:18:16 -0700, erik simpson
    <eastside.erik@gmail.com> wrote:

    With all that data, you could compile a book of Peter's contributions. >>>>

    Or your's.


    Ugh. Ugh. Ugh.


    I could do that, but to what end?

    --
    To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

    I should have "one could compile a book". But I wouldn't suggest that
    anybody should.

    There’s enough online to generate an AI version (a mindclone). Imagine how >> fun that might be.

    No. Please, no, I beg you.

    I don’t have the chops for that and would think twice before unfurling it upon the world if I did. Imagine the stuff said by posters decades ago it
    might dredge up in mashup posts not germane to the thread topic while
    crunching out new theories in both topology and vertebrate paleontology.

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  • From *Hemidactylus*@21:1/5 to jillery on Fri Sep 27 19:31:14 2024
    jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 08:34:25 -0700, erik simpson
    <eastside.erik@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 9/24/24 6:15 AM, jillery wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 07:18:16 -0700, erik simpson
    <eastside.erik@gmail.com> wrote:

    With all that data, you could compile a book of Peter's contributions.


    Or your's.


    Ugh. Ugh. Ugh.


    I could do that, but to what end?

    I should have "one could compile a book". But I wouldn't suggest that
    anybody should.


    A pointless distinction. The question remains.

    An AI jillery would lack the sense of humor.

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  • From Rufus Ruffian@21:1/5 to jillery on Fri Dec 6 23:10:10 2024
    jillery wrote:

    On Wed, 04 Dec 2024 17:48:10 +0000, Martin Harran
    <martinharran@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 08:26:55 -0500, RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    Now that google isn't archiving Newsgroups how do we link back to past >>posts? I used to always use the google address for a post because it was >>easy to get it, but that hasn't been possible after Google stopped >>supporting newsgroups.

    You can still link to old posts, I've given two links in reply to you
    just a few minutes ago. GG still exists as an archive, just search
    for the relevant post and click on the 3 dots beside it to get the
    link.


    Given GG's infamous ability to repeatedly break their search engine,
    it's likely that doing a successful search now is still the challenge.


    I've tried to find how eternal september could do it, but they do not >>seem to have a feature to provide the post address like google had.

    Ron Okimoto


    ES is a Usenet server. To the best of my knowledge, none of them
    provide search utilities.

    Correct, you can only query your NSP server by Message ID.

    Usenet has its own protocol and port, NNTP / Port 119. It doesn't use
    HTTP or URLs. There is no framework within NNTP by which to search. ES
    and other NSPs do not use "post addresses", they go by Message IDs. The
    best you can do without a searchable archive site, like GG, is to
    download a shitload of messages or message headers and search within
    your newsreader.

    In Agent and some other newsreaders, you can double-click on a MID and
    it will fetch the post. This won't help you unless you already know the
    MID. You can find upthread MIDs in the References: header, which may occasionally help.

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