My computer went down, and it just came back today.
A lot has happened with the Dairy virus. Cats exposed to raw milk in California have died.
On 12/27/24 1:06 PM, RonO wrote:
On 12/27/2024 7:58 AM, Chris Thompson wrote:This is making me wonder if there is any reason to have a CDC. It seems
RonO wrote:
My computer went down, and it just came back today.
A lot has happened with the Dairy virus. Cats exposed to raw milk in
California have died.
And it wiped out half the big cats in a Washington sanctuary
https://www.npr.org/2024/12/26/nx-s1-5239841/bird-flu-kills-20-cats-
washington-sanctuary
And it's killed hundreds of wild bald eagles
https://www.washingtonpost.com/science/interactive/2024/bald-eagle-
avian-flu-death/
There seems to be a willful cover up about the cats that are going down.
They refuse to release the strain of the virus that killed the cats
even though they know what it is. They made them get rid of their food
supply so my guess is that it was due to the dairy virus, and the cats
were infected by eating downed cattle likely donated to the facility.
Here in Arkansas down cattle are routinely donated to the the local big
cat sanctuary because they can't be used for human consumption and have
to go to the renderers. Washington already knows that they have the
dairy virus in the state, but they have refused to test their dairies.
The Washington poultry farm that went down with the dairy virus and the
11 poultry workers that got infected got infected by a local dairy. That
is how the poultry farms in all the other states have gotten infected.
Dairy workers also work on poultry farms and take the virus to those
other farms. They have been lying about this situation since the
beginning of this fiasco, and it is catching up with them in Washington
where they refused to acknowledge reality. Utah immediately understood
how their poultry farm got infected and found 8 infected dairies in the
same county. The dairies are just not self reporting being infected.
So the CDC and USDA have started not releasing what strain of the virus
that they are dealing with in these situations because it makes them
look like the losers that they have been for months. Instead they just
make the cat sanctuary discard their current food supply without testing
it.
This likely means that sick cattle are likely going to slaughter in
states that have not admitted to having dairy infections in states like
Washington, and contaminated meat is likely in the current food supply
unless they have stopped sending cull dairy cattle to slaughter.
The house cats that have died due to raw milk and raw food are also a
case in point. They have already sequenced the virus and know that the
sequence from the dead cats and the raw food had identical sequence, but
they won't say if it was the dairy virus or not. The cat that died
drinking raw milk was obviously the dairy virus, but they won't admit to
it.
They have needed to detect all the infected dairies and isolate the
dairy workers since the beginning, but they never wanted to do what
needed to be done to prevent human infections. Even California joined
in with the denial. They claimed that they were going to start testing
dairy workers, but that never happened and they only have tested 130
(found 36 infected) out of more than 5,000 known to have been exposed to
infected cattle. The Michigan and Colorado antibody screen indicates
that 7 to 10% of dairy workers at infected farms were infected in those
states. California is a tragic case in point because they knew that
dairy workers were taking the virus to other farms because their initial
contact tracing found dozens of infected farms sharing dairy workers,
but they refused to restrict the movement of the farm workers between
dairies and poultry farms, and ended up with a lot of infected poultry
flocks, and half the dairy farms in California as currently infected.
The easiest way to infect another dairy or poultry farm is for an
infected dairy worker shedding live virus to go to those farms, and they
have known that was happening since Michigan and Texas found that 7% of
the dairy workers on infected farms also worked at poultry farms, and
even more worked at other dairies. For most dairies dairy work is part
time, and workers work at more than one farm.
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/oregon-avian-flu-cat-death-prompts-nationwide-raw-pet-food-recall
They need to monitor the contacts of the sick cats because the cats were
shedding live virus. We do not want the same type of infections in
humans. The dairy virus infects the brains of cats and kills them. The
CDC is claiming to be worried about the virus becoming a human
respiratory infection, but if it became a neurological infection like it
is for cats and some other mammals that would be much worse.
What is stupid is that the CDC has approved a commercial test for H5N1,
but as stupid as it may seem it is a nasal swab test, and it is known
that the high majority of workers infected by the dairy virus are
negative for nasal swabs and only positive for eye swabs. The dairy
virus seems to infect mammary glands and tear ducts effectively. This
means that the approved commercial test is nearly worthless for testing
dairy workers and poultry workers.
Ron Okimoto
as thought they do nothing unless someone kicks them, and they still do >nothing.
On 12/27/24 5:03 PM, Bob Casanova wrote:
On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 13:28:39 -0800, the following appearedLots of people thought the masks protected them, but the real purpose
in talk.origins, posted by erik simpson
<eastside.erik@gmail.com>:
On 12/27/24 1:06 PM, RonO wrote:Pretty much: "Oooh, let's try masks! That didn't work in
On 12/27/2024 7:58 AM, Chris Thompson wrote:This is making me wonder if there is any reason to have a CDC. It seems >>> as thought they do nothing unless someone kicks them, and they still do
RonO wrote:
My computer went down, and it just came back today.
A lot has happened with the Dairy virus. Cats exposed to raw milk in >>>>>> California have died.
And it wiped out half the big cats in a Washington sanctuary
https://www.npr.org/2024/12/26/nx-s1-5239841/bird-flu-kills-20-cats- >>>>> washington-sanctuary
And it's killed hundreds of wild bald eagles
https://www.washingtonpost.com/science/interactive/2024/bald-eagle-
avian-flu-death/
There seems to be a willful cover up about the cats that are going down. >>>> They refuse to release the strain of the virus that killed the cats >>>> even though they know what it is. They made them get rid of their food >>>> supply so my guess is that it was due to the dairy virus, and the cats >>>> were infected by eating downed cattle likely donated to the facility.
Here in Arkansas down cattle are routinely donated to the the local big >>>> cat sanctuary because they can't be used for human consumption and have >>>> to go to the renderers. Washington already knows that they have the
dairy virus in the state, but they have refused to test their dairies. >>>> The Washington poultry farm that went down with the dairy virus and the >>>> 11 poultry workers that got infected got infected by a local dairy. That >>>> is how the poultry farms in all the other states have gotten infected. >>>> Dairy workers also work on poultry farms and take the virus to those
other farms. They have been lying about this situation since the
beginning of this fiasco, and it is catching up with them in Washington >>>> where they refused to acknowledge reality. Utah immediately understood >>>> how their poultry farm got infected and found 8 infected dairies in the >>>> same county. The dairies are just not self reporting being infected.
So the CDC and USDA have started not releasing what strain of the virus >>>> that they are dealing with in these situations because it makes them
look like the losers that they have been for months. Instead they just >>>> make the cat sanctuary discard their current food supply without testing >>>> it.
This likely means that sick cattle are likely going to slaughter in
states that have not admitted to having dairy infections in states like >>>> Washington, and contaminated meat is likely in the current food supply >>>> unless they have stopped sending cull dairy cattle to slaughter.
The house cats that have died due to raw milk and raw food are also a
case in point. They have already sequenced the virus and know that the >>>> sequence from the dead cats and the raw food had identical sequence, but >>>> they won't say if it was the dairy virus or not. The cat that died
drinking raw milk was obviously the dairy virus, but they won't admit to >>>> it.
They have needed to detect all the infected dairies and isolate the
dairy workers since the beginning, but they never wanted to do what
needed to be done to prevent human infections. Even California joined >>>> in with the denial. They claimed that they were going to start testing >>>> dairy workers, but that never happened and they only have tested 130
(found 36 infected) out of more than 5,000 known to have been exposed to >>>> infected cattle. The Michigan and Colorado antibody screen indicates
that 7 to 10% of dairy workers at infected farms were infected in those >>>> states. California is a tragic case in point because they knew that
dairy workers were taking the virus to other farms because their initial >>>> contact tracing found dozens of infected farms sharing dairy workers,
but they refused to restrict the movement of the farm workers between
dairies and poultry farms, and ended up with a lot of infected poultry >>>> flocks, and half the dairy farms in California as currently infected.
The easiest way to infect another dairy or poultry farm is for an
infected dairy worker shedding live virus to go to those farms, and they >>>> have known that was happening since Michigan and Texas found that 7% of >>>> the dairy workers on infected farms also worked at poultry farms, and
even more worked at other dairies. For most dairies dairy work is part >>>> time, and workers work at more than one farm.
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/oregon-avian-flu-cat-death-prompts-nationwide-raw-pet-food-recall
They need to monitor the contacts of the sick cats because the cats were >>>> shedding live virus. We do not want the same type of infections in
humans. The dairy virus infects the brains of cats and kills them. The >>>> CDC is claiming to be worried about the virus becoming a human
respiratory infection, but if it became a neurological infection like it >>>> is for cats and some other mammals that would be much worse.
What is stupid is that the CDC has approved a commercial test for H5N1, >>>> but as stupid as it may seem it is a nasal swab test, and it is known
that the high majority of workers infected by the dairy virus are
negative for nasal swabs and only positive for eye swabs. The dairy
virus seems to infect mammary glands and tear ducts effectively. This >>>> means that the approved commercial test is nearly worthless for testing >>>> dairy workers and poultry workers.
Ron Okimoto
nothing.
1918, so it's a sure thing!"
was to protect others from them. In that, it worked both for the 1918
and covid pandemics.
On 12/28/2024 12:00 AM, Bob Casanova wrote:
On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 17:30:32 -0800, the following appearedThe CDC messed up on the Covid pandemic from the start. The PCR test
in talk.origins, posted by erik simpson
<eastside.erik@gmail.com>:
On 12/27/24 5:03 PM, Bob Casanova wrote:So I've read. And if coughing on someone was an issue I'd
On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 13:28:39 -0800, the following appearedLots of people thought the masks protected them, but the real purpose
in talk.origins, posted by erik simpson
<eastside.erik@gmail.com>:
On 12/27/24 1:06 PM, RonO wrote:Pretty much: "Oooh, let's try masks! That didn't work in
On 12/27/2024 7:58 AM, Chris Thompson wrote:This is making me wonder if there is any reason to have a CDC. It seems >>>>> as thought they do nothing unless someone kicks them, and they still do >>>>> nothing.
RonO wrote:
My computer went down, and it just came back today.
A lot has happened with the Dairy virus. Cats exposed to raw milk in >>>>>>>> California have died.
And it wiped out half the big cats in a Washington sanctuary
https://www.npr.org/2024/12/26/nx-s1-5239841/bird-flu-kills-20-cats- >>>>>>> washington-sanctuary
And it's killed hundreds of wild bald eagles
https://www.washingtonpost.com/science/interactive/2024/bald-eagle- >>>>>>> avian-flu-death/
There seems to be a willful cover up about the cats that are going down. >>>>>> They refuse to release the strain of the virus that killed the cats >>>>>> even though they know what it is. They made them get rid of their food >>>>>> supply so my guess is that it was due to the dairy virus, and the cats >>>>>> were infected by eating downed cattle likely donated to the facility. >>>>>> Here in Arkansas down cattle are routinely donated to the the local big >>>>>> cat sanctuary because they can't be used for human consumption and have >>>>>> to go to the renderers. Washington already knows that they have the >>>>>> dairy virus in the state, but they have refused to test their dairies. >>>>>> The Washington poultry farm that went down with the dairy virus and the >>>>>> 11 poultry workers that got infected got infected by a local dairy. That >>>>>> is how the poultry farms in all the other states have gotten infected. >>>>>> Dairy workers also work on poultry farms and take the virus to those >>>>>> other farms. They have been lying about this situation since the
beginning of this fiasco, and it is catching up with them in Washington >>>>>> where they refused to acknowledge reality. Utah immediately understood >>>>>> how their poultry farm got infected and found 8 infected dairies in the >>>>>> same county. The dairies are just not self reporting being infected. >>>>>>
So the CDC and USDA have started not releasing what strain of the virus >>>>>> that they are dealing with in these situations because it makes them >>>>>> look like the losers that they have been for months. Instead they just >>>>>> make the cat sanctuary discard their current food supply without testing >>>>>> it.
This likely means that sick cattle are likely going to slaughter in >>>>>> states that have not admitted to having dairy infections in states like >>>>>> Washington, and contaminated meat is likely in the current food supply >>>>>> unless they have stopped sending cull dairy cattle to slaughter.
The house cats that have died due to raw milk and raw food are also a >>>>>> case in point. They have already sequenced the virus and know that the >>>>>> sequence from the dead cats and the raw food had identical sequence, but >>>>>> they won't say if it was the dairy virus or not. The cat that died >>>>>> drinking raw milk was obviously the dairy virus, but they won't admit to >>>>>> it.
They have needed to detect all the infected dairies and isolate the >>>>>> dairy workers since the beginning, but they never wanted to do what >>>>>> needed to be done to prevent human infections. Even California joined >>>>>> in with the denial. They claimed that they were going to start testing >>>>>> dairy workers, but that never happened and they only have tested 130 >>>>>> (found 36 infected) out of more than 5,000 known to have been exposed to >>>>>> infected cattle. The Michigan and Colorado antibody screen indicates >>>>>> that 7 to 10% of dairy workers at infected farms were infected in those >>>>>> states. California is a tragic case in point because they knew that >>>>>> dairy workers were taking the virus to other farms because their initial >>>>>> contact tracing found dozens of infected farms sharing dairy workers, >>>>>> but they refused to restrict the movement of the farm workers between >>>>>> dairies and poultry farms, and ended up with a lot of infected poultry >>>>>> flocks, and half the dairy farms in California as currently infected. >>>>>> The easiest way to infect another dairy or poultry farm is for an
infected dairy worker shedding live virus to go to those farms, and they >>>>>> have known that was happening since Michigan and Texas found that 7% of >>>>>> the dairy workers on infected farms also worked at poultry farms, and >>>>>> even more worked at other dairies. For most dairies dairy work is part >>>>>> time, and workers work at more than one farm.
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/oregon-avian-flu-cat-death-prompts-nationwide-raw-pet-food-recall
They need to monitor the contacts of the sick cats because the cats were >>>>>> shedding live virus. We do not want the same type of infections in >>>>>> humans. The dairy virus infects the brains of cats and kills them. The >>>>>> CDC is claiming to be worried about the virus becoming a human
respiratory infection, but if it became a neurological infection like it >>>>>> is for cats and some other mammals that would be much worse.
What is stupid is that the CDC has approved a commercial test for H5N1, >>>>>> but as stupid as it may seem it is a nasal swab test, and it is known >>>>>> that the high majority of workers infected by the dairy virus are
negative for nasal swabs and only positive for eye swabs. The dairy >>>>>> virus seems to infect mammary glands and tear ducts effectively. This >>>>>> means that the approved commercial test is nearly worthless for testing >>>>>> dairy workers and poultry workers.
Ron Okimoto
1918, so it's a sure thing!"
was to protect others from them. In that, it worked both for the 1918
and covid pandemics.
have to agree. But that isn't how it was presented.
that they initially put out did not work, and it took them a while to
fix it, and that ended any hope of an organized testing program early in
the pandemic. They messed up on presenting why people should wear
masks. For some stupid reason a lot of their nonsense was about
protecting the wearer of the mask, but a cloth mask or loose fitting N95
has limited protection ability. They should have been more honest and >explained that Covid was an airborne transmissible virus, and that
infected people wearing masks greatly reduced the amount of virus in the >environment.
The CDC is currently screwing up by the numbers with the Dairy epidemic >because they were shell shocked by Covid, and they are reluctant to do
the right thing. Instead they would rather go into denial, and pretend
that everything doesn't really matter that much. It looks like the main >reason that the dairy epidemic has not been treated as it should have
been is because of politics and fear of those politics. The Trumpies
wanted to prosecute some of them for the Covid fiasco, so they seem to
want to keep their heads down. As stupid as it may be the initial H5N1
PCR test was defective. To be fair the CDC blamed the company making
the test for the testing issues, but it took the CDC months to fix
something that could have been dealt with in a couple of weeks, and that
is one of the reasons that the CDC never started dairy worker testing.
After the test was fixed they likely didn't want to show how much of a
screw up the initial test fiasco was by finding a lot of infected
workers, so testing has never really started even after they claimed
that they were going to start two months ago. As crazy as it may seem
the H5N1 test that the CDC has given out for commercial testing is a
nasal swab test, and the CDC knows that most of the dairy workers are
only shedding virus from their eyes and that nasal swabs are usually
negative for infected dairy workers. They literally put out a test that
is likely to fail to detect the dairy infection. Could incompetence be
a factor for doing everything that should not be done and not doing what >should be done?
On 12/28/2024 11:24 PM, Bob Casanova wrote:
On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 11:59:35 -0600, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>:
On 12/28/2024 12:00 AM, Bob Casanova wrote:And those who distrust the CDC are labeled as kooks. Go
On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 17:30:32 -0800, the following appearedThe CDC messed up on the Covid pandemic from the start. The PCR test
in talk.origins, posted by erik simpson
<eastside.erik@gmail.com>:
On 12/27/24 5:03 PM, Bob Casanova wrote:So I've read. And if coughing on someone was an issue I'd
On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 13:28:39 -0800, the following appearedLots of people thought the masks protected them, but the real purpose >>>>> was to protect others from them. In that, it worked both for the 1918 >>>>> and covid pandemics.
in talk.origins, posted by erik simpson
<eastside.erik@gmail.com>:
On 12/27/24 1:06 PM, RonO wrote:Pretty much: "Oooh, let's try masks! That didn't work in
On 12/27/2024 7:58 AM, Chris Thompson wrote:This is making me wonder if there is any reason to have a CDC. It seems
RonO wrote:
My computer went down, and it just came back today.
A lot has happened with the Dairy virus. Cats exposed to raw milk in
California have died.
And it wiped out half the big cats in a Washington sanctuary >>>>>>>>> https://www.npr.org/2024/12/26/nx-s1-5239841/bird-flu-kills-20-cats- >>>>>>>>> washington-sanctuary
And it's killed hundreds of wild bald eagles
https://www.washingtonpost.com/science/interactive/2024/bald-eagle- >>>>>>>>> avian-flu-death/
There seems to be a willful cover up about the cats that are going down.
They refuse to release the strain of the virus that killed the cats
even though they know what it is. They made them get rid of their food
supply so my guess is that it was due to the dairy virus, and the cats >>>>>>>> were infected by eating downed cattle likely donated to the facility. >>>>>>>> Here in Arkansas down cattle are routinely donated to the the local big
cat sanctuary because they can't be used for human consumption and have
to go to the renderers. Washington already knows that they have the >>>>>>>> dairy virus in the state, but they have refused to test their dairies. >>>>>>>> The Washington poultry farm that went down with the dairy virus and the
11 poultry workers that got infected got infected by a local dairy. That
is how the poultry farms in all the other states have gotten infected. >>>>>>>> Dairy workers also work on poultry farms and take the virus to those >>>>>>>> other farms. They have been lying about this situation since the >>>>>>>> beginning of this fiasco, and it is catching up with them in Washington
where they refused to acknowledge reality. Utah immediately understood
how their poultry farm got infected and found 8 infected dairies in the
same county. The dairies are just not self reporting being infected. >>>>>>>>
So the CDC and USDA have started not releasing what strain of the virus
that they are dealing with in these situations because it makes them >>>>>>>> look like the losers that they have been for months. Instead they just
make the cat sanctuary discard their current food supply without testing
it.
This likely means that sick cattle are likely going to slaughter in >>>>>>>> states that have not admitted to having dairy infections in states like
Washington, and contaminated meat is likely in the current food supply >>>>>>>> unless they have stopped sending cull dairy cattle to slaughter. >>>>>>>>
The house cats that have died due to raw milk and raw food are also a >>>>>>>> case in point. They have already sequenced the virus and know that the
sequence from the dead cats and the raw food had identical sequence, but
they won't say if it was the dairy virus or not. The cat that died >>>>>>>> drinking raw milk was obviously the dairy virus, but they won't admit to
it.
They have needed to detect all the infected dairies and isolate the >>>>>>>> dairy workers since the beginning, but they never wanted to do what >>>>>>>> needed to be done to prevent human infections. Even California joined >>>>>>>> in with the denial. They claimed that they were going to start testing
dairy workers, but that never happened and they only have tested 130 >>>>>>>> (found 36 infected) out of more than 5,000 known to have been exposed to
infected cattle. The Michigan and Colorado antibody screen indicates >>>>>>>> that 7 to 10% of dairy workers at infected farms were infected in those
states. California is a tragic case in point because they knew that >>>>>>>> dairy workers were taking the virus to other farms because their initial
contact tracing found dozens of infected farms sharing dairy workers, >>>>>>>> but they refused to restrict the movement of the farm workers between >>>>>>>> dairies and poultry farms, and ended up with a lot of infected poultry >>>>>>>> flocks, and half the dairy farms in California as currently infected. >>>>>>>> The easiest way to infect another dairy or poultry farm is for an >>>>>>>> infected dairy worker shedding live virus to go to those farms, and they
have known that was happening since Michigan and Texas found that 7% of
the dairy workers on infected farms also worked at poultry farms, and >>>>>>>> even more worked at other dairies. For most dairies dairy work is part
time, and workers work at more than one farm.
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/oregon-avian-flu-cat-death-prompts-nationwide-raw-pet-food-recall
They need to monitor the contacts of the sick cats because the cats were
shedding live virus. We do not want the same type of infections in >>>>>>>> humans. The dairy virus infects the brains of cats and kills them. The
CDC is claiming to be worried about the virus becoming a human >>>>>>>> respiratory infection, but if it became a neurological infection like it
is for cats and some other mammals that would be much worse.
What is stupid is that the CDC has approved a commercial test for H5N1,
but as stupid as it may seem it is a nasal swab test, and it is known >>>>>>>> that the high majority of workers infected by the dairy virus are >>>>>>>> negative for nasal swabs and only positive for eye swabs. The dairy >>>>>>>> virus seems to infect mammary glands and tear ducts effectively. This >>>>>>>> means that the approved commercial test is nearly worthless for testing
dairy workers and poultry workers.
Ron Okimoto
as thought they do nothing unless someone kicks them, and they still do >>>>>>> nothing.
1918, so it's a sure thing!"
have to agree. But that isn't how it was presented.
that they initially put out did not work, and it took them a while to
fix it, and that ended any hope of an organized testing program early in >>> the pandemic. They messed up on presenting why people should wear
masks. For some stupid reason a lot of their nonsense was about
protecting the wearer of the mask, but a cloth mask or loose fitting N95 >>> has limited protection ability. They should have been more honest and
explained that Covid was an airborne transmissible virus, and that
infected people wearing masks greatly reduced the amount of virus in the >>> environment.
The CDC is currently screwing up by the numbers with the Dairy epidemic
because they were shell shocked by Covid, and they are reluctant to do
the right thing. Instead they would rather go into denial, and pretend
that everything doesn't really matter that much. It looks like the main >>> reason that the dairy epidemic has not been treated as it should have
been is because of politics and fear of those politics. The Trumpies
wanted to prosecute some of them for the Covid fiasco, so they seem to
want to keep their heads down. As stupid as it may be the initial H5N1
PCR test was defective. To be fair the CDC blamed the company making
the test for the testing issues, but it took the CDC months to fix
something that could have been dealt with in a couple of weeks, and that >>> is one of the reasons that the CDC never started dairy worker testing.
After the test was fixed they likely didn't want to show how much of a
screw up the initial test fiasco was by finding a lot of infected
workers, so testing has never really started even after they claimed
that they were going to start two months ago. As crazy as it may seem
the H5N1 test that the CDC has given out for commercial testing is a
nasal swab test, and the CDC knows that most of the dairy workers are
only shedding virus from their eyes and that nasal swabs are usually
negative for infected dairy workers. They literally put out a test that >>> is likely to fail to detect the dairy infection. Could incompetence be
a factor for doing everything that should not be done and not doing what >>> should be done?
figure.
What the CDC is guilty of doing with the dairy infection doesn't mean
that the Trumpies anti-maskers and anti-vaccination kooks are not kooks.
It just means that the kooks have a lame excuse for existing.
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