I've never understood the need for the ID proponents to prove that
evolution is wrong. Certainly God could have done it that way, and do
they actually assert that he couldn't? My brother in law is a YEC, and >doesn't accept the larger God that can play with billions of years.
On Tue, 4 Mar 2025 14:27:05 -0500, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
Bob Casanova wrote:
talk.origins, posted by erik simpson
I've never understood the need for the ID proponents to prove thatThat supports the idea that "Man created God in his own
evolution is wrong. Certainly God could have done it that way, and do >>>> they actually assert that he couldn't? My brother in law is a YEC, and >>>> doesn't accept the larger God that can play with billions of years.
image". It's neither logically consistent (given that belief
usually involves a deity more capable than His believers)
Are you honestly this stupid?
"As the extremely close genetic cousin to a Chimpanzee, I know exactly
*Exactly* may actually be the crux of the matter.
how an all seeing, all knowing, all powerful creator God living outside
of space & time would act.
So, when this god of which you speak is included in the discussion all >reasoning should stop and be replaced with "Trust and believe -- trust
and obey" and no further discussion is possible.
And if I don't see the actions I would choose
as the extremely close genetic cousin to a Chimpanzee, that proves God >>doesn't exist."
What actions are you talking about?
It's called "Narcissism."
Look it up.
Weren't you into narcissism a ways back?
--You're not even emotional capable of accepting the fact that Darwin was
a fraud, you're so wrecked, but God would have to think like you? Act in
a way that you mistaken for logic?
On 3/5/25 10:59 PM, Vincent Maycock wrote:
On Thu, 6 Mar 2025 00:59:25 -0500, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
Vincent Maycock wrote:
You can't just summarize it for me?
I keep telling the collective that I'm not playing.
And they don't listen to you. Maybe because no one listens to
anything you say.
You've got
a severe Narcissistic Personality Disorder and that causes you
to play these games...
What games?
Of course it's easier for you to tell yourself how smart you
are, rather than actually possessing an I.Q. in the double
digits but,
So you try to possess an IQ?
you're not God.
So what?
You're not anything that might
be mistaken for God, not even at a distance, not even if it
were foggy.
Sure. But on a lighter note, why...LOL...are you still talking to Bob Casanova when he's got you kill filed?
So pretending that an all seeing, all knowing,
all powerful creator God would have to make the same choices
that you would make, or he can't exist, is idiocy. It was
idiocy eight months ago, it was idiocy five years ago and it
will always be idiocy.
Straw man. I've never claimed any such thing, and neither has
anyone else, as far as I know.
You must remember that JTEM thinks that you and Bob Casanova and in fact
me and almost everyone else here are all the same person posting under different nyms just to annoy him.
I've never understood the need for the ID proponents to prove that
evolution is wrong. Certainly God could have done it that way, and do
they actually assert that he couldn't? My brother in law is a YEC, and doesn't accept the larger God that can play with billions of years.
On 3/4/2025 10:00 AM, Bob Casanova wrote:
On Mon, 3 Mar 2025 19:30:33 -0800, the following appeared in
talk.origins, posted by erik simpson
<eastside.erik@gmail.com>:
<snip>
I've never understood the need for the ID proponents to prove thatThat supports the idea that "Man created God in his own
evolution is wrong. Certainly God could have done it that way, and do
they actually assert that he couldn't? My brother in law is a YEC, and
doesn't accept the larger God that can play with billions of years.
image". It's neither logically consistent (given that belief
usually involves a deity more capable than His believers)
nor particularly religious ("God cannot do anything I
can't").
At best it's a failure of imagination. At worst it's a
denial of divinity.
Have you read Lauri Lebo's book on the Dover fiasco? Her take was that >creationists did it due to their fear of hell fire and damnation. Not >necessarily for themselves (they were obviously saved) but for their
loved ones. Anything that could be used as an excuse to disobey the
will of their god had to be stiffled and suppressed.
MarkE likely suffers from that syndrome. He now seems pretty fruit cake--
in his beliefs about the ID scam when he had always pretended to be >circumspect and wary of the ID scam. It seems that he needs to have
some excuse to be anti-evolution when he understands that there is no >scientific reason to be anti-evolution at this time. He only came out >overtly in favor of the ID scam after all the other IDiots quit when
they could not deal with the Top Six in an honest and straight forward >manner. Somehow MarkE can still take the IDiotic gaps one at a time and >pretend that they still support his religious beliefs. This is true
even after he was forced to deal with the fact that the origin of life
gap that he was taking so much effort to define was, obviously, not
Biblical. Somehow he has been able to lie to himself that the god that
fills that gap can still be the Biblical god, when he knows that gap
does not support the Biblical mythology that is his basis for his
evolution denial.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauri_Lebo
Her book was "The Devil in Dover". The Devil can be interpreted to be
the intelligent design creationist scam that brought out the worst in >creationist behavior within the community during the Dover fiasco. She
also had a bit about her father in the NOVA video of the Dover fiasco.
Ron Okimoto
On 3/6/25 11:44 AM, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
Sounds a bit like
Schizophrenics hear
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