On Fri, 16 May 2025 12:02:15 -0500, RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>
wrote:

https://evolutionnews.org/

"Nothing in biology has a purpose."

Well, I know someone who would like to buy your kidneys and your liver
if you don't use them anyway...

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On Tue, 20 May 2025 03:48:43 +0200, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by IDentity <identity@invalid.org>:

On Fri, 16 May 2025 12:02:15 -0500, RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>
wrote:

https://evolutionnews.org/

"Nothing in biology has a purpose."

Well, I know someone who would like to buy your kidneys and your liver
if you don't use them anyway...

Yeah, yeah; cute twist. However, anyone with more than two
neurons to rub together knows that in this context "purpose"
doesn't mean "function", but "intentional design". I'm
fairly sure his body parts, like everyone's, have the usual
functions.

--

Bob C.

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

- Isaac Asimov

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On Tue, 20 May 2025 09:36:12 -0500, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>:

On 5/19/2025 10:23 PM, Bob Casanova wrote:

On Tue, 20 May 2025 03:48:43 +0200, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by IDentity <identity@invalid.org>:

On Fri, 16 May 2025 12:02:15 -0500, RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>
wrote:

https://evolutionnews.org/

"Nothing in biology has a purpose."

Well, I know someone who would like to buy your kidneys and your liver
if you don't use them anyway...

Yeah, yeah; cute twist. However, anyone with more than two
neurons to rub together knows that in this context "purpose"
doesn't mean "function", but "intentional design". I'm
fairly sure his body parts, like everyone's, have the usual
functions.

That doesn't seem to matter since he just made up the quote, and it
doesn't seem to have anything to do with what I wrote, or what was up on
ID scam web site. The quote may be something that he is claiming, and
he is just having a discussion with himself.

But it's worthwhile pointing out that, regardless of the
source of the quote, his "interpretation" is wrong. If he
made it up and *still* interpreted it incorrectly that's
only icing on the cake.

--

Bob C.

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

- Isaac Asimov

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On Tue, 20 May 2025 07:55:38 -0700, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by John Harshman
<john.harshman@gmail.com>:

On 5/19/25 6:48 PM, IDentity wrote:

On Fri, 16 May 2025 12:02:15 -0500, RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>
wrote:

https://evolutionnews.org/

"Nothing in biology has a purpose."

"Nothing in biology makes sense."
-- Theodosius Dobzhansky

"...except in the light of evolution."

Best to include that, lest he think(?) you're agreeing with
him. Just sayin'.

--

Bob C.

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

- Isaac Asimov

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On Tue, 20 May 2025 15:22:10 -0700, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by John Harshman
<john.harshman@gmail.com>:

On 5/20/25 9:17 AM, Bob Casanova wrote:

On Tue, 20 May 2025 07:55:38 -0700, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by John Harshman
<john.harshman@gmail.com>:

On 5/19/25 6:48 PM, IDentity wrote:

On Fri, 16 May 2025 12:02:15 -0500, RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>
wrote:

https://evolutionnews.org/

"Nothing in biology has a purpose."

"Nothing in biology makes sense."
-- Theodosius Dobzhansky

"...except in the light of evolution."

Best to include that, lest he think(?) you're agreeing with
him. Just sayin'.

What, you're saying I'm quote-mining?

Nope.

--

Bob C.

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

- Isaac Asimov

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On Tue, 20 May 2025 09:36:12 -0500, RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>
wrote:

On 5/19/2025 10:23 PM, Bob Casanova wrote:

On Tue, 20 May 2025 03:48:43 +0200, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by IDentity <identity@invalid.org>:

On Fri, 16 May 2025 12:02:15 -0500, RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>
wrote:

https://evolutionnews.org/

"Nothing in biology has a purpose."

Well, I know someone who would like to buy your kidneys and your liver
if you don't use them anyway...

Yeah, yeah; cute twist. However, anyone with more than two
neurons to rub together knows that in this context "purpose"
doesn't mean "function", but "intentional design". I'm
fairly sure his body parts, like everyone's, have the usual
functions.

That doesn't seem to matter since he just made up the quote, and it
doesn't seem to have anything to do with what I wrote, or what was up on
ID scam web site. The quote may be something that he is claiming, and
he is just having a discussion with himself.

No, you just imagined what I did. I cited from the featured 'Harari:
“Darwin Is the Prophet” ' article on top of the page you linked to.

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On Tue, 20 May 2025 09:17:12 -0700, Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off>
wrote:

On Tue, 20 May 2025 07:55:38 -0700, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by John Harshman
<john.harshman@gmail.com>:

On 5/19/25 6:48 PM, IDentity wrote:

On Fri, 16 May 2025 12:02:15 -0500, RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>
wrote:

https://evolutionnews.org/

"Nothing in biology has a purpose."

"Nothing in biology makes sense."
-- Theodosius Dobzhansky

"...except in the light of evolution."

Nothing wrong with evolution except you need to replace "random
mutations and natural selection" with "intelligent design and
interaction".

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On Tue, 20 May 2025 07:55:38 -0700, John Harshman
<john.harshman@gmail.com> wrote:

On 5/19/25 6:48 PM, IDentity wrote:

On Fri, 16 May 2025 12:02:15 -0500, RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>
wrote:

https://evolutionnews.org/

"Nothing in biology has a purpose."

"Nothing in biology makes sense."
-- Theodosius Dobzhansky

His wikipedia page says:

"Theodosius Dobzhansky believed that God and science can be reconciled
through the idea that the Creator brought about his plan through the
processes of evolution. He described his beliefs as "Evolution is
God's, or Nature's, method of Creation.""

I basically agree, though there are different opinions and
interpretations of how evolution actually works. I don't agree with
the standard random mutations model.

Evolution as such has been a concept for thousands of years in e.g.
Indian philosophy, but that is a spiritually guided evolution where
several different levels of biological intelligence is running the
game. Something that has been verified by recent biological research
btw. There is a revolution going on in this field right now.

As for my quote it can se I didn't cite it as written, but from
memory, but it's still consistent with what he says.

In my view everything in physical reality is created with a purpose,
as that is always what Mind (God) does (unless we have absolute
determinism where God is just an algorithm running the game).

He also says:

"In biology there are only causes.”

I don't know what he means with "only causes", it doesn't make sense
to me. In a causal perspective I see God/Mind as the original
non-physical cause in existence, and everything physical is just an
effect, of this cause.

https://evolutionnews.org/2025/05/harari-darwin-is-the-prophet/

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