On Wed, 28 May 2025 09:44:32 +0100, Martin Harran
<martinharran@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 26 May 2025 08:46:37 -0500, RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>
wrote:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/texas-bill-ten-commandments-public-schools-rcna206851
Texas had bent over for the obfuscation and denial creationist switch
scam back in 2010, but had to have the bait and switch run on them again >>> in 2013 when they tried to use the switch scam to teach ID in their
public schools.
They are now trying a more direct approach that seems to be as
unconstitutional as Oklahoma's use of the Bible in public schools as a
text book, and last month Arkansas' Trumpy Governor (she claims that
Trump was chosen by Jesus) signed similar 10 commandment legislation
when I was out on the road.
[...]
America Magazine, published by the Jesuits, had an article yesterday
analysing how it is wrong for the Christian Right to be campaigning
for posting the Ten Commandments in schools.
I give a link to the full article below but here is the TLDR version
from their newsletter yesterday:
<quote>
Father Clifford, a Jesuit priest who taught for 55 years at Boston
College and is a professor emeritus of Old Testament there, notes a
consensus among biblical scholars from the Jewish, Catholic and
Protestant traditions that while the Ten Commandments lay the
foundation for Jews' and Christians' relationship with God, they are
not meant to be a universal covenant that applies to adherents of
other religions-or of no religion. Posting the Ten Commandments in the
classroom, then, is not just a violation of the First Amendment, but
also a contradiction of the Bible itself.
What might be a more appropriate text? "Let me offer an alternative
for American classrooms: the Golden Rule, treating others as one would
want to be treated by them," Father Clifford writes. "A version of the
Golden Rule is found in several places in the Bible and in almost
every religion in the world."
</quote>
Full article:
https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2025/05/27/clifford-ten-commandments-classrooms-250734
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you".
A better version is:
"Do unto others as others would have you do unto them".
It's a subtle distinction. But based on your posting behavior, the subtleties of both versions escape you.
On Fri, 30 May 2025 21:01:31 +0000, jillery wrote:
On Thu, 29 May 2025 16:24:18 +0000, j.nobel.daggett@gmail.com
(LDagget) wrote:
On Thu, 29 May 2025 12:24:51 +0000, Ernest Major wrote:
On 28/05/2025 11:17, jillery wrote:
On Wed, 28 May 2025 09:44:32 +0100, Martin Harran
<martinharran@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 26 May 2025 08:46:37 -0500, RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>
wrote:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/texas-bill-ten-
commandments-public-schools-rcna206851
Texas had bent over for the obfuscation and denial creationist
switch
scam back in 2010, but had to have the bait and switch run on
them again
in 2013 when they tried to use the switch scam to teach ID in their >>>>>>> public schools.
They are now trying a more direct approach that seems to be as
unconstitutional as Oklahoma's use of the Bible in public schools >>>>>>> as a
text book, and last month Arkansas' Trumpy Governor (she claims that >>>>>>> Trump was chosen by Jesus) signed similar 10 commandment legislation >>>>>>> when I was out on the road.
[...]
America Magazine, published by the Jesuits, had an article yesterday >>>>>> analysing how it is wrong for the Christian Right to be campaigning >>>>>> for posting the Ten Commandments in schools.
I give a link to the full article below but here is the TLDR version >>>>>> from their newsletter yesterday:
<quote>
Father Clifford, a Jesuit priest who taught for 55 years at Boston >>>>>> College and is a professor emeritus of Old Testament there, notes a >>>>>> consensus among biblical scholars from the Jewish, Catholic and
Protestant traditions that while the Ten Commandments lay the
foundation for Jews' and Christians' relationship with God, they are >>>>>> not meant to be a universal covenant that applies to adherents of
other religions-or of no religion. Posting the Ten Commandments in >>>>>> the
classroom, then, is not just a violation of the First Amendment, but >>>>>> also a contradiction of the Bible itself.
What might be a more appropriate text? "Let me offer an alternative >>>>>> for American classrooms: the Golden Rule, treating others as one
would
want to be treated by them," Father Clifford writes. "A version of >>>>>> the
Golden Rule is found in several places in the Bible and in almost
every religion in the world."
</quote>
Full article:
https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2025/05/27/clifford-ten-
commandments-classrooms-250734
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you".
A better version is:
"Do unto others as others would have you do unto them".
It's a subtle distinction. But based on your posting behavior, the >>>>> subtleties of both versions escape you.
The second version avoids at least some of the failure modes of the
first, but it has its own failure modes. Consider the case where the
other person is a narcissist or a sociopath.
Indeed, there are those who want me to bow and submit to their
self-asserted righteousness. I decline the offer. Right now
Carlin'e "don't be an asshole" would do.
To assert without basis what another person wants makes you the
asshole.
Oh but I have reasons. For example, the current US administration
would ask me to help them end programs that promote Diversity,
Equity and Inclusion. They would have me support their efforts
to locate and deport individuals living in the US out of fear
of harm in their home countries if they lack sufficient official documentation of their having been granted federal authorization
to live here. I submit I know what they want and they are aholes.
I further guess that you somehow may have mistaken my comment
to be accusing you, even though I didn't and wasn't.
On Mon, 26 May 2025 08:46:37 -0500, RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>
wrote:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/texas-bill-ten-commandments-public-schools-rcna206851
Texas had bent over for the obfuscation and denial creationist switch
scam back in 2010, but had to have the bait and switch run on them again
in 2013 when they tried to use the switch scam to teach ID in their
public schools.
They are now trying a more direct approach that seems to be as
unconstitutional as Oklahoma's use of the Bible in public schools as a
text book, and last month Arkansas' Trumpy Governor (she claims that
Trump was chosen by Jesus) signed similar 10 commandment legislation
when I was out on the road.
[...]
America Magazine, published by the Jesuits, had an article yesterday analysing how it is wrong for the Christian Right to be campaigning
for posting the Ten Commandments in schools.
I give a link to the full article below but here is the TLDR version
from their newsletter yesterday:
<quote>
Father Clifford, a Jesuit priest who taught for 55 years at Boston
College and is a professor emeritus of Old Testament there, notes a
consensus among biblical scholars from the Jewish, Catholic and
Protestant traditions that while the Ten Commandments lay the
foundation for Jews' and Christians' relationship with God, they are
not meant to be a universal covenant that applies to adherents of
other religions-or of no religion. Posting the Ten Commandments in the classroom, then, is not just a violation of the First Amendment, but
also a contradiction of the Bible itself.
On Tue, 3 Jun 2025 11:47:52 +0000, Martin Harran wrote:
On Mon, 2 Jun 2025 16:00:26 -0700, Mark Isaak...
<specimenNOSPAM@curioustaxon.omy.net> wrote:
"This prohibition of graven images is so important that we require you
to make a graven image out of it."
Where is that quotation from?
Can we make that multiple choice?
A.) Alabama
B.) Texas
C.) Oklahoma
My answer is D.) all of the above
On Mon, 2 Jun 2025 16:00:26 -0700, Mark Isaak <specimenNOSPAM@curioustaxon.omy.net> wrote:
On 5/28/25 1:44 AM, Martin Harran wrote:
On Mon, 26 May 2025 08:46:37 -0500, RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>
wrote:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/texas-bill-ten-commandments-public-schools-rcna206851
Texas had bent over for the obfuscation and denial creationist switch
scam back in 2010, but had to have the bait and switch run on them again >>>> in 2013 when they tried to use the switch scam to teach ID in their
public schools.
They are now trying a more direct approach that seems to be as
unconstitutional as Oklahoma's use of the Bible in public schools as a >>>> text book, and last month Arkansas' Trumpy Governor (she claims that
Trump was chosen by Jesus) signed similar 10 commandment legislation
when I was out on the road.
[...]
America Magazine, published by the Jesuits, had an article yesterday
analysing how it is wrong for the Christian Right to be campaigning
for posting the Ten Commandments in schools.
I give a link to the full article below but here is the TLDR version
from their newsletter yesterday:
<quote>
Father Clifford, a Jesuit priest who taught for 55 years at Boston
College and is a professor emeritus of Old Testament there, notes a
consensus among biblical scholars from the Jewish, Catholic and
Protestant traditions that while the Ten Commandments lay the
foundation for Jews' and Christians' relationship with God, they are
not meant to be a universal covenant that applies to adherents of
other religions-or of no religion. Posting the Ten Commandments in the
classroom, then, is not just a violation of the First Amendment, but
also a contradiction of the Bible itself.
"This prohibition of graven images is so important that we require you
to make a graven image out of it."
Where is that quotation from?
Also, why do you think it useful to make a comment based on a literal readings of the Bible in response to an article written by a Catholic
priest when the Catholic Church does not take the Bible literally?
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