https://www.newwestrecord.ca/religion-news/families-file-suit-challenging-arkansas-law-that-requires-ten-commandments-be-posted-in-classrooms-10797734
The plaintiffs are Jewish, Unitarian Universalists, or listed as >nonreligious. The Jewish plaintiffs do not what their kids to have to
be forced to be exposed to the Christian translation of the 10 commandments.
On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 19:53:19 -0500, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by RonO<rokimoto557@gmail.com>:
https://www.newwestrecord.ca/religion-news/families-file-suit-challenging-ar
kansas-law-that-requires-ten-commandments-be-posted-in-classrooms-10797734
The plaintiffs are Jewish, Unitarian Universalists, or listed as nonreligious. The Jewish plaintiffs do not what their kids to have toI'm curious; any take on how the "Christian translation"
be forced to be exposed to the Christian translation of the 10 commandments.
differs from the original, i.e., the Hebrew text?
On Jun 12, 2025, Bob Casanova wrote
(in article<gvpk4kt6f2mcrbivm2cn28qvknv8ojpvjm@4ax.com>):
On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 19:53:19 -0500, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by RonO<rokimoto557@gmail.com>:
https://www.newwestrecord.ca/religion-news/families-file-suit-challenging-arI'm curious; any take on how the "Christian translation"
kansas-law-that-requires-ten-commandments-be-posted-in-classrooms-10797734 >> >
The plaintiffs are Jewish, Unitarian Universalists, or listed as
nonreligious. The Jewish plaintiffs do not what their kids to have to
be forced to be exposed to the Christian translation of the 10 commandments.
differs from the original, i.e., the Hebrew text?
Well, for one thing, there aren’t ten ‘commandments’; depending on how
you count, there are 12 to 15. For another, there are three seperate >listings, two in Exodus, one in Deuteronomy; see >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments for more. For a third, there >isn’t even just one Xian version; the official versions of the OT according >to Orthodox, Catholic, and Protestant bibles have differences. And none of >them are identical to the main Jewish version... and there are at least two >Jewish versions. The Wiki article noted above gives a quick look at some of >the main points. For details... well, way back in the depths of time I was >forced to take theology classes at the undergraduate level. I no longer have >the text, but it spent two chapters on the 10/12/15 commandments. Apparently >serious theologians find the differences to be significant.
Arkansas wants to use the Protestant version. Catholics and Orthodox are >likely to be unamused.
I’d suggest using the main Jewish version of one of the three lists, just
to see how long it takes the theofascists to notice.
On 6/12/2025 12:41 AM, Bob Casanova wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 19:53:19 -0500, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>:
https://www.newwestrecord.ca/religion-news/families-file-suit-challenging-arkansas-law-that-requires-ten-commandments-be-posted-in-classrooms-10797734I'm curious; any take on how the "Christian translation"
The plaintiffs are Jewish, Unitarian Universalists, or listed as
nonreligious. The Jewish plaintiffs do not what their kids to have to
be forced to be exposed to the Christian translation of the 10 commandments.
differs from the original, i.e., the Hebrew text?
I do not recall exactly. In the Christian history course that I took in >college over 40 years ago, I recall that the original 10 commandments
were probably short in terms of number of words. Apparently they were
carved on two tablets whose fragments, supposedly, were carried around
by the Israelites in the lost ark. They were repeated several times in
the Hebrew holy books, not always verbatim. The Christian version comes
from the Greek Septuagint, and Christians got a Greek interpretation of
the 10 commandments.
On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 09:39:53 -0400, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com>:
On Jun 12, 2025, Bob Casanova wroteAsked and answered; thanks. IMHO your last statement is the
(in article<gvpk4kt6f2mcrbivm2cn28qvknv8ojpvjm@4ax.com>):
On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 19:53:19 -0500, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by RonO<rokimoto557@gmail.com>:
https://www.newwestrecord.ca/religion-news/families-file-suit-challenging-arI'm curious; any take on how the "Christian translation"
kansas-law-that-requires-ten-commandments-be-posted-in-classrooms-10797734 >>>>
The plaintiffs are Jewish, Unitarian Universalists, or listed as
nonreligious. The Jewish plaintiffs do not what their kids to have to
be forced to be exposed to the Christian translation of the 10 commandments.
differs from the original, i.e., the Hebrew text?
Well, for one thing, there aren’t ten ‘commandments’; depending on how >> you count, there are 12 to 15. For another, there are three seperate
listings, two in Exodus, one in Deuteronomy; see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments for more. For a third, there >> isn’t even just one Xian version; the official versions of the OT according
to Orthodox, Catholic, and Protestant bibles have differences. And none of >> them are identical to the main Jewish version... and there are at least two >> Jewish versions. The Wiki article noted above gives a quick look at some of >> the main points. For details... well, way back in the depths of time I was >> forced to take theology classes at the undergraduate level. I no longer have >> the text, but it spent two chapters on the 10/12/15 commandments. Apparently >> serious theologians find the differences to be significant.
most significant; while details may differ I wouldn't have
expected there to be "hill to die on" differences, but I'm
no theologian.
Sounds OK to me, for multiple reasons.
Arkansas wants to use the Protestant version. Catholics and Orthodox are
likely to be unamused.
I’d suggest using the main Jewish version of one of the three lists, just >> to see how long it takes the theofascists to notice.
Bob Casanova wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 09:39:53 -0400, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com>:
On Jun 12, 2025, Bob Casanova wroteAsked and answered; thanks. IMHO your last statement is the
(in article<gvpk4kt6f2mcrbivm2cn28qvknv8ojpvjm@4ax.com>):
On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 19:53:19 -0500, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by RonO<rokimoto557@gmail.com>:
https://www.newwestrecord.ca/religion-news/families-file-suit-challenging-arI'm curious; any take on how the "Christian translation"
kansas-law-that-requires-ten-commandments-be-posted-in-classrooms-10797734
The plaintiffs are Jewish, Unitarian Universalists, or listed as
nonreligious. The Jewish plaintiffs do not what their kids to have to >>>>> be forced to be exposed to the Christian translation of the 10 commandments.
differs from the original, i.e., the Hebrew text?
Well, for one thing, there aren’t ten ‘commandments’; depending on how
you count, there are 12 to 15. For another, there are three seperate
listings, two in Exodus, one in Deuteronomy; see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments for more. For a third, there >>> isn’t even just one Xian version; the official versions of the OT according >>> to Orthodox, Catholic, and Protestant bibles have differences. And none of >>> them are identical to the main Jewish version... and there are at least two >>> Jewish versions. The Wiki article noted above gives a quick look at some of >>> the main points. For details... well, way back in the depths of time I was >>> forced to take theology classes at the undergraduate level. I no longer have
the text, but it spent two chapters on the 10/12/15 commandments. Apparently
serious theologians find the differences to be significant.
most significant; while details may differ I wouldn't have
expected there to be "hill to die on" differences, but I'm
no theologian.
Don't be too sure. Jenny Geddes is always ready with her stool.
--Sounds OK to me, for multiple reasons.
Arkansas wants to use the Protestant version. Catholics and Orthodox are >>> likely to be unamused.
I’d suggest using the main Jewish version of one of the three lists, just >>> to see how long it takes the theofascists to notice.
On Fri, 13 Jun 2025 21:42:38 -0400, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by Chris Thompson
<the_thompsons@earthlink.net>:
Bob Casanova wrote:No idea who that is, or even why she didn't just provide a
On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 09:39:53 -0400, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com>:
On Jun 12, 2025, Bob Casanova wroteAsked and answered; thanks. IMHO your last statement is the
(in article<gvpk4kt6f2mcrbivm2cn28qvknv8ojpvjm@4ax.com>):
On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 19:53:19 -0500, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by RonO<rokimoto557@gmail.com>:
https://www.newwestrecord.ca/religion-news/families-file-suit-challenging-arI'm curious; any take on how the "Christian translation"
kansas-law-that-requires-ten-commandments-be-posted-in-classrooms-10797734
The plaintiffs are Jewish, Unitarian Universalists, or listed as
nonreligious. The Jewish plaintiffs do not what their kids to have to >>>>>> be forced to be exposed to the Christian translation of the 10 commandments.
differs from the original, i.e., the Hebrew text?
Well, for one thing, there aren’t ten ‘commandments’; depending on how
you count, there are 12 to 15. For another, there are three seperate
listings, two in Exodus, one in Deuteronomy; see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments for more. For a third, there
isn’t even just one Xian version; the official versions of the OT according
to Orthodox, Catholic, and Protestant bibles have differences. And none of >>>> them are identical to the main Jewish version... and there are at least two
Jewish versions. The Wiki article noted above gives a quick look at some of
the main points. For details... well, way back in the depths of time I was >>>> forced to take theology classes at the undergraduate level. I no longer have
the text, but it spent two chapters on the 10/12/15 commandments. Apparently
serious theologians find the differences to be significant.
most significant; while details may differ I wouldn't have
expected there to be "hill to die on" differences, but I'm
no theologian.
Don't be too sure. Jenny Geddes is always ready with her stool.
sample.
Sounds OK to me, for multiple reasons.
Arkansas wants to use the Protestant version. Catholics and Orthodox are >>>> likely to be unamused.
I’d suggest using the main Jewish version of one of the three lists, just
to see how long it takes the theofascists to notice.
Bob Casanova wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jun 2025 21:42:38 -0400, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by Chris Thompson
<the_thompsons@earthlink.net>:
Bob Casanova wrote:No idea who that is, or even why she didn't just provide a
On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 09:39:53 -0400, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com>:
On Jun 12, 2025, Bob Casanova wroteAsked and answered; thanks. IMHO your last statement is the
(in article<gvpk4kt6f2mcrbivm2cn28qvknv8ojpvjm@4ax.com>):
On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 19:53:19 -0500, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by RonO<rokimoto557@gmail.com>:
https://www.newwestrecord.ca/religion-news/families-file-suit-challenging-arI'm curious; any take on how the "Christian translation"
kansas-law-that-requires-ten-commandments-be-posted-in-classrooms-10797734
The plaintiffs are Jewish, Unitarian Universalists, or listed as >>>>>>> nonreligious. The Jewish plaintiffs do not what their kids to have to >>>>>>> be forced to be exposed to the Christian translation of the 10 commandments.
differs from the original, i.e., the Hebrew text?
Well, for one thing, there aren’t ten ‘commandments’; depending on how >>>>> you count, there are 12 to 15. For another, there are three seperate >>>>> listings, two in Exodus, one in Deuteronomy; see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments for more. For a third, there
isn’t even just one Xian version; the official versions of the OT according
to Orthodox, Catholic, and Protestant bibles have differences. And none of
them are identical to the main Jewish version... and there are at least two
Jewish versions. The Wiki article noted above gives a quick look at some of
the main points. For details... well, way back in the depths of time I was
forced to take theology classes at the undergraduate level. I no longer have
the text, but it spent two chapters on the 10/12/15 commandments. Apparently
serious theologians find the differences to be significant.
most significant; while details may differ I wouldn't have
expected there to be "hill to die on" differences, but I'm
no theologian.
Don't be too sure. Jenny Geddes is always ready with her stool.
sample.
Jenny Geddes was a Scottish woman in the 1600's. When King Charles (I
believe the 2nd) tried to unify the churches of England and Scotland
with a new Book of Common Prayer it was met with much unhappiness in >Scotland. Jenny Geddes threw her stool at an Anglican priest using the
new book in a service, and the resulting "unrest" helped spark the
Bishops' Wars, which led in turn to the English Civil Wars and a few
others. The Scots thought the new book too papist, and they were also
upset that a few Scottish saints had been omitted. To be fair there was
also politics involved, as the Anglican church had bishops appointed by
the King and the Church of Scotland had them elected by local elders
(the presbyters) but the Scottish Calvinists weren't about to put up
with anything that even remotely seemed like Catholicism.
--
Sounds OK to me, for multiple reasons.
Arkansas wants to use the Protestant version. Catholics and Orthodox are >>>>> likely to be unamused.
I’d suggest using the main Jewish version of one of the three lists, just >>>>> to see how long it takes the theofascists to notice.
Chris Thompson wrote:
Bob Casanova wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jun 2025 21:42:38 -0400, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by Chris Thompson
<the_thompsons@earthlink.net>:
Bob Casanova wrote:No idea who that is, or even why she didn't just provide a
On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 09:39:53 -0400, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com>:
On Jun 12, 2025, Bob Casanova wroteAsked and answered; thanks. IMHO your last statement is the
(in article<gvpk4kt6f2mcrbivm2cn28qvknv8ojpvjm@4ax.com>):
On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 19:53:19 -0500, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by RonO<rokimoto557@gmail.com>:
https://www.newwestrecord.ca/religion-news/families-file-suit-challenging-arI'm curious; any take on how the "Christian translation"
kansas-law-that-requires-ten-commandments-be-posted-in-classrooms-10797734
The plaintiffs are Jewish, Unitarian Universalists, or listed as >>>>>>>> nonreligious. The Jewish plaintiffs do not what their kids to
have to
be forced to be exposed to the Christian translation of the 10 >>>>>>>> commandments.
differs from the original, i.e., the Hebrew text?
Well, for one thing, there aren’t ten ‘commandments’; depending on >>>>>> how
you count, there are 12 to 15. For another, there are three seperate >>>>>> listings, two in Exodus, one in Deuteronomy; see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments for more. For a
third, there
isn’t even just one Xian version; the official versions of the OT >>>>>> according
to Orthodox, Catholic, and Protestant bibles have differences. And >>>>>> none of
them are identical to the main Jewish version... and there are at
least two
Jewish versions. The Wiki article noted above gives a quick look
at some of
the main points. For details... well, way back in the depths of
time I was
forced to take theology classes at the undergraduate level. I no
longer have
the text, but it spent two chapters on the 10/12/15 commandments.
Apparently
serious theologians find the differences to be significant.
most significant; while details may differ I wouldn't have
expected there to be "hill to die on" differences, but I'm
no theologian.
Don't be too sure. Jenny Geddes is always ready with her stool.
sample.
Jenny Geddes was a Scottish woman in the 1600's. When King Charles (I
believe the 2nd) tried to unify the churches of England and Scotland
with a new Book of Common Prayer
Charles I.
Charles II was much too smart to try anything like that. And as he
didn't share his father's beliefs, he had no motive to.
To be fair to Charles I, if he had he example of Charles I to learn
from, he would also have avoided that pitfall.
William Hyde
On Sat, 14 Jun 2025 07:50:25 -0400, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by Chris Thompson
<the_thompsons@earthlink.net>:
Bob Casanova wrote:OK; (original) point taken.
On Fri, 13 Jun 2025 21:42:38 -0400, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by Chris Thompson
<the_thompsons@earthlink.net>:
Bob Casanova wrote:No idea who that is, or even why she didn't just provide a
On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 09:39:53 -0400, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com>:
On Jun 12, 2025, Bob Casanova wroteAsked and answered; thanks. IMHO your last statement is the
(in article<gvpk4kt6f2mcrbivm2cn28qvknv8ojpvjm@4ax.com>):
On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 19:53:19 -0500, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by RonO<rokimoto557@gmail.com>:
https://www.newwestrecord.ca/religion-news/families-file-suit-challenging-arI'm curious; any take on how the "Christian translation"
kansas-law-that-requires-ten-commandments-be-posted-in-classrooms-10797734
The plaintiffs are Jewish, Unitarian Universalists, or listed as >>>>>>>> nonreligious. The Jewish plaintiffs do not what their kids to have to >>>>>>>> be forced to be exposed to the Christian translation of the 10 commandments.
differs from the original, i.e., the Hebrew text?
Well, for one thing, there aren’t ten ‘commandments’; depending on how
you count, there are 12 to 15. For another, there are three seperate >>>>>> listings, two in Exodus, one in Deuteronomy; see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments for more. For a third, there
isn’t even just one Xian version; the official versions of the OT according
to Orthodox, Catholic, and Protestant bibles have differences. And none of
them are identical to the main Jewish version... and there are at least two
Jewish versions. The Wiki article noted above gives a quick look at some of
the main points. For details... well, way back in the depths of time I was
forced to take theology classes at the undergraduate level. I no longer have
the text, but it spent two chapters on the 10/12/15 commandments. Apparently
serious theologians find the differences to be significant.
most significant; while details may differ I wouldn't have
expected there to be "hill to die on" differences, but I'm
no theologian.
Don't be too sure. Jenny Geddes is always ready with her stool.
sample.
Jenny Geddes was a Scottish woman in the 1600's. When King Charles (I
believe the 2nd) tried to unify the churches of England and Scotland
with a new Book of Common Prayer it was met with much unhappiness in
Scotland. Jenny Geddes threw her stool at an Anglican priest using the
new book in a service, and the resulting "unrest" helped spark the
Bishops' Wars, which led in turn to the English Civil Wars and a few
others. The Scots thought the new book too papist, and they were also
upset that a few Scottish saints had been omitted. To be fair there was
also politics involved, as the Anglican church had bishops appointed by
the King and the Church of Scotland had them elected by local elders
(the presbyters) but the Scottish Calvinists weren't about to put up
with anything that even remotely seemed like Catholicism.
Oy...
Sounds OK to me, for multiple reasons.
Arkansas wants to use the Protestant version. Catholics and Orthodox are >>>>>> likely to be unamused.
I’d suggest using the main Jewish version of one of the three lists, just
to see how long it takes the theofascists to notice.
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