From this recent EN article: https://evolutionnews.org/2025/07/new-article-from-james-tour-undermines-a-pillar-of-origin-of-life-theories/
'In comparison to a protein’s half-life, the rate of polypeptide chain elongation under prebiotic conditions is very long. Yang et al. (2025) identify numerous barriers to sustained polypeptide growth, including
the formation of non-peptide linkages and cyclic structures, stringent environmental requirements, and unfavorable thermodynamics. Their
analysis establishes that the rate of growth must be far smaller than
one added amino acid per chain per day."
"Even assuming one addition each day, synthesizing a protein of 200
amino acids would require over six months. However, the growing chain
would almost certainly degrade in a much shorter time span. The
challenge is even greater for RNA, which has a significantly shorter half-life and encounters additional chemical and structural hurdles
during formation."
Paper here: https://sciendo.com/article/10.2478/biocosmos-2025-0010
No doubt this paper will be critiqued and disputed, but it is I think an example of the ongoing scrutiny and developing fundamental challenges to
OoL. My prediction is these will continue to emerge, weakening
materialistic abiogenesis and strengthening ID's core claim.
On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 15:44:28 +1000
MarkE <me22over7@gmail.com> wrote:
From this recent EN article:
https://evolutionnews.org/2025/07/new-article-from-james-tour-undermines-a-pillar-of-origin-of-life-theories/
'In comparison to a protein’s half-life, the rate of polypeptide chain
elongation under prebiotic conditions is very long. Yang et al. (2025)
identify numerous barriers to sustained polypeptide growth, including
the formation of non-peptide linkages and cyclic structures, stringent
environmental requirements, and unfavorable thermodynamics. Their
analysis establishes that the rate of growth must be far smaller than
one added amino acid per chain per day."
"Even assuming one addition each day, synthesizing a protein of 200
amino acids would require over six months. However, the growing chain
would almost certainly degrade in a much shorter time span. The
challenge is even greater for RNA, which has a significantly shorter
half-life and encounters additional chemical and structural hurdles
during formation."
Paper here: https://sciendo.com/article/10.2478/biocosmos-2025-0010
No doubt this paper will be critiqued and disputed, but it is I think an
example of the ongoing scrutiny and developing fundamental challenges to
OoL. My prediction is these will continue to emerge, weakening
materialistic abiogenesis and strengthening ID's core claim.
ID has no science; it doesn't explain anything. It's classic God of the
Gaps. But you've been told before. PS get a better news source.
On 2025-07-17 08:56:37 +0000, Kerr-Mudd, John said:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 15:44:28 +1000
MarkE <me22over7@gmail.com> wrote:
From this recent EN article:
https://evolutionnews.org/2025/07/new-article-from-james-tour-
undermines-a-pillar-of-origin-of-life-theories/
'In comparison to a protein’s half-life, the rate of polypeptide chain
elongation under prebiotic conditions is very long. Yang et al. (2025)
identify numerous barriers to sustained polypeptide growth, including
the formation of non-peptide linkages and cyclic structures, stringent
environmental requirements, and unfavorable thermodynamics. Their
analysis establishes that the rate of growth must be far smaller than
one added amino acid per chain per day."
"Even assuming one addition each day, synthesizing a protein of 200
amino acids would require over six months. However, the growing chain
would almost certainly degrade in a much shorter time span. The
challenge is even greater for RNA, which has a significantly shorter
half-life and encounters additional chemical and structural hurdles
during formation."
Paper here: https://sciendo.com/article/10.2478/biocosmos-2025-0010
No doubt this paper will be critiqued and disputed, but it is I think an >>> example of the ongoing scrutiny and developing fundamental challenges to >>> OoL. My prediction is these will continue to emerge, weakening
materialistic abiogenesis and strengthening ID's core claim.
ID has no science; it doesn't explain anything. It's classic God of the
Gaps. But you've been told before. PS get a better news source.
And people interested in serious science don't look for it in Evolution
News.
On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 15:44:28 +1000
MarkE <me22over7@gmail.com> wrote:
From this recent EN article:
https://evolutionnews.org/2025/07/new-article-from-james-tour-undermines-a-pillar-of-origin-of-life-theories/
'In comparison to a protein’s half-life, the rate of polypeptide chain
elongation under prebiotic conditions is very long. Yang et al. (2025)
identify numerous barriers to sustained polypeptide growth, including
the formation of non-peptide linkages and cyclic structures, stringent
environmental requirements, and unfavorable thermodynamics. Their
analysis establishes that the rate of growth must be far smaller than
one added amino acid per chain per day."
"Even assuming one addition each day, synthesizing a protein of 200
amino acids would require over six months. However, the growing chain
would almost certainly degrade in a much shorter time span. The
challenge is even greater for RNA, which has a significantly shorter
half-life and encounters additional chemical and structural hurdles
during formation."
Paper here: https://sciendo.com/article/10.2478/biocosmos-2025-0010
No doubt this paper will be critiqued and disputed, but it is I think an
example of the ongoing scrutiny and developing fundamental challenges to
OoL. My prediction is these will continue to emerge, weakening
materialistic abiogenesis and strengthening ID's core claim.
ID has no science; it doesn't explain anything. It's classic God of the
Gaps. But you've been told before. PS get a better news source.
From this recent EN article: https://evolutionnews.org/2025/07/new- article-from-james-tour-undermines-a-pillar-of-origin-of-life-theories/
'In comparison to a protein’s half-life, the rate of polypeptide chain elongation under prebiotic conditions is very long. Yang et al. (2025) identify numerous barriers to sustained polypeptide growth, including
the formation of non-peptide linkages and cyclic structures, stringent environmental requirements, and unfavorable thermodynamics. Their
analysis establishes that the rate of growth must be far smaller than
one added amino acid per chain per day."
"Even assuming one addition each day, synthesizing a protein of 200
amino acids would require over six months. However, the growing chain
would almost certainly degrade in a much shorter time span. The
challenge is even greater for RNA, which has a significantly shorter half-life and encounters additional chemical and structural hurdles
during formation."
Paper here: https://sciendo.com/article/10.2478/biocosmos-2025-0010
No doubt this paper will be critiqued and disputed, but it is I think an example of the ongoing scrutiny and developing fundamental challenges to
OoL. My prediction is these will continue to emerge, weakening
materialistic abiogenesis and strengthening ID's core claim.
On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 15:44:28 +1000, MarkE <me22over7@gmail.com> wrote:
From this recent EN article:
https://evolutionnews.org/2025/07/new-article-from-james-tour-undermines-a-pillar-of-origin-of-life-theories/
'In comparison to a protein’s half-life, the rate of polypeptide chain
elongation under prebiotic conditions is very long. Yang et al. (2025)
identify numerous barriers to sustained polypeptide growth, including
the formation of non-peptide linkages and cyclic structures, stringent
environmental requirements, and unfavorable thermodynamics. Their
analysis establishes that the rate of growth must be far smaller than
one added amino acid per chain per day."
"Even assuming one addition each day, synthesizing a protein of 200
amino acids would require over six months. However, the growing chain
would almost certainly degrade in a much shorter time span. The
challenge is even greater for RNA, which has a significantly shorter
half-life and encounters additional chemical and structural hurdles
during formation."
Paper here: https://sciendo.com/article/10.2478/biocosmos-2025-0010
No doubt this paper will be critiqued and disputed, but it is I think an
example of the ongoing scrutiny and developing fundamental challenges to
OoL. My prediction is these will continue to emerge, weakening
materialistic abiogenesis and strengthening ID's core claim.
You have clearly still not grasped the principle that you cannot
insist that *must have been* the butler who killed her ladyship simply because you have shown it is very unlikely that his lordship did it.
From this recent EN article: https://evolutionnews.org/2025/07/new- article-from-james-tour-undermines-a-pillar-of-origin-of-life-theories/
'In comparison to a protein’s half-life, the rate of polypeptide chain elongation under prebiotic conditions is very long. Yang et al. (2025) identify numerous barriers to sustained polypeptide growth, including
the formation of non-peptide linkages and cyclic structures, stringent environmental requirements, and unfavorable thermodynamics. Their
analysis establishes that the rate of growth must be far smaller than
one added amino acid per chain per day."
"Even assuming one addition each day, synthesizing a protein of 200
amino acids would require over six months. However, the growing chain
would almost certainly degrade in a much shorter time span. The
challenge is even greater for RNA, which has a significantly shorter half-life and encounters additional chemical and structural hurdles
during formation."
Paper here: https://sciendo.com/article/10.2478/biocosmos-2025-0010
No doubt this paper will be critiqued and disputed, but it is I think an example of the ongoing scrutiny and developing fundamental challenges to
OoL. My prediction is these will continue to emerge, weakening
materialistic abiogenesis and strengthening ID's core claim.
On 18/07/2025 5:25 am, Kalkidas wrote:
On 7/16/2025 10:44 PM, MarkE wrote:
From this recent EN article: https://evolutionnews.org/2025/07/new-
article-from-james-tour-undermines-a-pillar-of-origin-of-life-theories/
'In comparison to a protein’s half-life, the rate of polypeptide chain >>> elongation under prebiotic conditions is very long. Yang et al. (2025)
identify numerous barriers to sustained polypeptide growth, including
the formation of non-peptide linkages and cyclic structures, stringent
environmental requirements, and unfavorable thermodynamics. Their
analysis establishes that the rate of growth must be far smaller than
one added amino acid per chain per day."
"Even assuming one addition each day, synthesizing a protein of 200
amino acids would require over six months. However, the growing chain
would almost certainly degrade in a much shorter time span. The
challenge is even greater for RNA, which has a significantly shorter
half-life and encounters additional chemical and structural hurdles
during formation."
Paper here: https://sciendo.com/article/10.2478/biocosmos-2025-0010
No doubt this paper will be critiqued and disputed, but it is I think
an example of the ongoing scrutiny and developing fundamental
challenges to OoL. My prediction is these will continue to emerge,
weakening materialistic abiogenesis and strengthening ID's core claim.
Note that the replies to your post offer no refutation of any of the
points of the paper, Just name-calling and genetic fallacies.
Noted; not unusual. Pity - Athel could add some content to this discussion.
On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 12:46:47 -0700, Kalkidas <eat@joes.pub> wrote:
On 7/17/2025 11:23 AM, Martin Harran wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 15:44:28 +1000, MarkE <me22over7@gmail.com> wrote:
From this recent EN article:
https://evolutionnews.org/2025/07/new-article-from-james-tour-undermines-a-pillar-of-origin-of-life-theories/
'In comparison to a protein’s half-life, the rate of polypeptide chain >>>> elongation under prebiotic conditions is very long. Yang et al. (2025) >>>> identify numerous barriers to sustained polypeptide growth, including
the formation of non-peptide linkages and cyclic structures, stringent >>>> environmental requirements, and unfavorable thermodynamics. Their
analysis establishes that the rate of growth must be far smaller than
one added amino acid per chain per day."
"Even assuming one addition each day, synthesizing a protein of 200
amino acids would require over six months. However, the growing chain
would almost certainly degrade in a much shorter time span. The
challenge is even greater for RNA, which has a significantly shorter
half-life and encounters additional chemical and structural hurdles
during formation."
Paper here: https://sciendo.com/article/10.2478/biocosmos-2025-0010
No doubt this paper will be critiqued and disputed, but it is I think an >>>> example of the ongoing scrutiny and developing fundamental challenges to >>>> OoL. My prediction is these will continue to emerge, weakening
materialistic abiogenesis and strengthening ID's core claim.
You have clearly still not grasped the principle that you cannot
insist that *must have been* the butler who killed her ladyship simply
because you have shown it is very unlikely that his lordship did it.
Nature simultaneously destroys what it (allegedly) creates. And it
destroys it faster than it (allegedly) creates it.
If true then that means that the Intelligent Designer gets it wrong
more often than he gets it right.
On 7/17/2025 3:53 AM, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
On 2025-07-17 08:56:37 +0000, Kerr-Mudd, John said:The evolutionnews.org article merely summarizes a peer-reviewed
On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 15:44:28 +1000 MarkE <me22over7@gmail.com> wrote:
From this recent EN article:ID has no science; it doesn't explain anything. It's classic God of
https://evolutionnews.org/2025/07/new-article-from-james-tour-
undermines-a-pillar-of-origin-of-life-theories/
'In comparison to a protein’s half-life, the rate of polypeptide >>>> chain elongation under prebiotic conditions is very long. Yang et al.
(2025) identify numerous barriers to sustained polypeptide growth,
including the formation of non-peptide linkages and cyclic
structures, stringent environmental requirements, and unfavorable
thermodynamics. Their analysis establishes that the rate of growth
must be far smaller than one added amino acid per chain per day."
"Even assuming one addition each day, synthesizing a protein of 200
amino acids would require over six months. However, the growing chain
would almost certainly degrade in a much shorter time span. The
challenge is even greater for RNA, which has a significantly shorter
half-life and encounters additional chemical and structural hurdles
during formation."
Paper here: https://sciendo.com/article/10.2478/biocosmos-2025-0010
No doubt this paper will be critiqued and disputed, but it is I think
an example of the ongoing scrutiny and developing fundamental
challenges to OoL. My prediction is these will continue to emerge,
weakening materialistic abiogenesis and strengthening ID's core
claim.
the Gaps. But you've been told before. PS get a better news source.
And people interested in serious science don't look for it in Evolution
News.
scientific paper, for which the link is given.
On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 11:38:07 -0700, Kalkidas <eat@joes.pub> wrote:
On 7/17/2025 11:37 PM, Martin Harran wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 12:46:47 -0700, Kalkidas <eat@joes.pub> wrote:
On 7/17/2025 11:23 AM, Martin Harran wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 15:44:28 +1000, MarkE <me22over7@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>
From this recent EN article:
https://evolutionnews.org/2025/07/new-article-from-james-tour-undermines-a-pillar-of-origin-of-life-theories/
'In comparison to a protein’s half-life, the rate of polypeptide chain >>>>>> elongation under prebiotic conditions is very long. Yang et al. (2025) >>>>>> identify numerous barriers to sustained polypeptide growth, including >>>>>> the formation of non-peptide linkages and cyclic structures, stringent >>>>>> environmental requirements, and unfavorable thermodynamics. Their
analysis establishes that the rate of growth must be far smaller than >>>>>> one added amino acid per chain per day."
"Even assuming one addition each day, synthesizing a protein of 200 >>>>>> amino acids would require over six months. However, the growing chain >>>>>> would almost certainly degrade in a much shorter time span. The
challenge is even greater for RNA, which has a significantly shorter >>>>>> half-life and encounters additional chemical and structural hurdles >>>>>> during formation."
Paper here: https://sciendo.com/article/10.2478/biocosmos-2025-0010 >>>>>>
No doubt this paper will be critiqued and disputed, but it is I think an >>>>>> example of the ongoing scrutiny and developing fundamental challenges to >>>>>> OoL. My prediction is these will continue to emerge, weakening
materialistic abiogenesis and strengthening ID's core claim.
You have clearly still not grasped the principle that you cannot
insist that *must have been* the butler who killed her ladyship simply >>>>> because you have shown it is very unlikely that his lordship did it. >>>>>
Nature simultaneously destroys what it (allegedly) creates. And it
destroys it faster than it (allegedly) creates it.
If true then that means that the Intelligent Designer gets it wrong
more often than he gets it right.
What's "wrong" about it?
Most of his designs didn't stand up to nature (according to you).
Do you think this universe was created to be
some kind of amusement park?
No, why would you think that?
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