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no creation either way

there is only "The Whole" and experience

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_theory

here is my logic behind "The Whole" being conscious ...

https://www.dalekelly.org/godhead.html

1) I am conscious.

2) I am part of "The Whole".

3) "The Whole" is part Me.

4) "The Whole" is part conscious.


“The Whole” having consciousness of its own implies Pantheism. Pantheism means that everything is God.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheism

Advaita has a related ancient history of Pantheism in Vedanta.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advaita_Vedanta


--
Mystery -> https://www.dalekelly.org/

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On Fri, 27 May 2022 20:21:00 -0400, Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> wrote:

no creation either way

there is only "The Whole" and experience

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_theory

here is my logic behind "The Whole" being conscious ...

https://www.dalekelly.org/godhead.html

1) I am conscious.

2) I am part of "The Whole".

3) "The Whole" is part Me.

4) "The Whole" is part conscious.

“The Whole” having consciousness of its own implies Pantheism.

Pantheism

means that everything is God.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheism

Advaita has a related ancient history of Pantheism in Vedanta.

--
Mystery -> https://www.dalekelly.org/

A Buddhist priest may point out that your "I/me" is a concept absent
from perception.

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On 28/05/2022 10:21 am, Dale wrote:

no creation either way

there is only "The Whole" and experience

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_theory

here is my logic behind "The Whole" being conscious ...

https://www.dalekelly.org/godhead.html

1) I am conscious.

2) I am part of "The Whole".

3) "The Whole" is part Me.

4) "The Whole" is part conscious.

“The Whole” having consciousness of its own implies Pantheism. Pantheism means that everything is God.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheism

Advaita has a related ancient history of Pantheism in Vedanta.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advaita_Vedanta

Stop wanking, please.

Thank you.





Michael Christ

--
Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

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On Sat, 28 May 2022 18:57:46 +1000, Michael Christ <jesusisthelordofall@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 28/05/2022 10:21 am, Dale wrote:

no creation either way

there is only "The Whole" and experience

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_theory

here is my logic behind "The Whole" being conscious ...

https://www.dalekelly.org/godhead.html

1) I am conscious.

2) I am part of "The Whole".

3) "The Whole" is part Me.

4) "The Whole" is part conscious.

“The Whole” having consciousness of its own implies Pantheism.

Pantheism

means that everything is God.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheism

Advaita has a related ancient history of Pantheism in Vedanta.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advaita_Vedanta

Stop wanking, please.

Thank you.

Michael Christ

LOL! Hey, at least he's trying to figure shit out. He just doesn't
know that's impossible to do.

I too used to regard Descartes's famous observation as undeniably
obvious. Until a Buddhist priest pointed out that the "I" can be
found nowhere in basic perception.

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Ted <tedsmasher@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sat, 28 May 2022 18:57:46 +1000, Michael Christ <jesusisthelordofall@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 28/05/2022 10:21 am, Dale wrote:

no creation either way

there is only "The Whole" and experience

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_theory

here is my logic behind "The Whole" being conscious ...

https://www.dalekelly.org/godhead.html

1) I am conscious.

2) I am part of "The Whole".

3) "The Whole" is part Me.

4) "The Whole" is part conscious.

�The Whole� having consciousness of its own implies Pantheism.

Pantheism

means that everything is God.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheism

Advaita has a related ancient history of Pantheism in Vedanta.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advaita_Vedanta

Stop wanking, please.

LOL! Hey, at least he's trying to figure shit out. He just doesn't
know that's impossible to do.

I too used to regard Descartes's famous observation as undeniably
obvious. Until a Buddhist priest pointed out that the "I" can be
found nowhere in basic perception.

What does he mean by that?

I can perceive myself.

Does it mean "I" is not universal? But then, nothing is
universal.

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On Sat, 28 May 2022 11:40:46 -0700, El Kabong <twang@the.noodle>
wrote:

Ted <tedsmasher@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sat, 28 May 2022 18:57:46 +1000, Michael Christ <jesusisthelordofall@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 28/05/2022 10:21 am, Dale wrote:

no creation either way

there is only "The Whole" and experience

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_theory

here is my logic behind "The Whole" being conscious ...

https://www.dalekelly.org/godhead.html

1) I am conscious.

2) I am part of "The Whole".

3) "The Whole" is part Me.

4) "The Whole" is part conscious.

“The Whole” having consciousness of its own implies

Pantheism.

Pantheism

means that everything is God.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheism

Advaita has a related ancient history of Pantheism in Vedanta.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advaita_Vedanta

Stop wanking, please.

LOL! Hey, at least he's trying to figure shit out. He just

doesn't

know that's impossible to do.

I too used to regard Descartes's famous observation as undeniably
obvious. Until a Buddhist priest pointed out that the "I" can be
found nowhere in basic perception.

What does he mean by that?

I can perceive myself.

We have a (no doubt hardwired) concept of self. But doesn't it have
to be inferred?

Does it mean "I" is not universal? But then, nothing is
universal.

Right.

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On 29/05/2022 4:40 am, El Kabong wrote:

Ted <tedsmasher@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sat, 28 May 2022 18:57:46 +1000, Michael Christ
<jesusisthelordofall@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 28/05/2022 10:21 am, Dale wrote:

no creation either way

there is only "The Whole" and experience

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_theory

here is my logic behind "The Whole" being conscious ...

https://www.dalekelly.org/godhead.html

1) I am conscious.

2) I am part of "The Whole".

3) "The Whole" is part Me.

4) "The Whole" is part conscious.


“The Whole” having consciousness of its own implies Pantheism.

Pantheism

means that everything is God.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheism

Advaita has a related ancient history of Pantheism in Vedanta.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advaita_Vedanta

Stop wanking, please.

LOL! Hey, at least he's trying to figure shit out. He just doesn't
know that's impossible to do.

I too used to regard Descartes's famous observation as undeniably
obvious. Until a Buddhist priest pointed out that the "I" can be
found nowhere in basic perception.

What does he mean by that?

Can I help? :-).

The man is lost.





Michael Christ

I can perceive myself.

Does it mean "I" is not universal? But then, nothing is
universal.

--
Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

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On 29/05/2022 1:04 am, Ted wrote:

On Sat, 28 May 2022 18:57:46 +1000, Michael Christ <jesusisthelordofall@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 28/05/2022 10:21 am, Dale wrote:

no creation either way
there is only "The Whole" and experience
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_theory
here is my logic behind "The Whole" being conscious ...
https://www.dalekelly.org/godhead.html
1) I am conscious.
2) I am part of "The Whole".
3) "The Whole" is part Me.
4) "The Whole" is part conscious.

“The Whole” having consciousness of its own implies Pantheism.

Pantheism

means that everything is God.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheism
Advaita has a related ancient history of Pantheism in Vedanta.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advaita_Vedanta

Stop wanking, please.

Thank you.

Michael Christ

LOL! Hey, at least he's trying to figure shit out. He just doesn't know that's impossible to do.

His foundation is "I". That is no foundation. All it does is leave him
in an abyss.

I too used to regard Descartes's famous observation as undeniably
obvious. Until a Buddhist priest pointed out that the "I" can be found nowhere in basic perception.

Because we are not our own creation.

There is only one Person who can say, "I" - Exo_3:14  And God said unto
Moses, I AM THAT I AM - and we can only find ourselves within that "I".

Otherwise, there is only an eternal struggle for who we are and what we
are. It is only stands to reason that our design is fully known by our Designer.




Michael Christ

--
Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

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On Sun, 29 May 2022 08:17:23 +1000, Michael Christ <jesusisthelordofall@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 29/05/2022 1:04 am, Ted wrote:

On Sat, 28 May 2022 18:57:46 +1000, Michael Christ <jesusisthelordofall@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 28/05/2022 10:21 am, Dale wrote:

no creation either way
there is only "The Whole" and experience
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_theory
here is my logic behind "The Whole" being conscious ...
https://www.dalekelly.org/godhead.html
1) I am conscious.
2) I am part of "The Whole".
3) "The Whole" is part Me.
4) "The Whole" is part conscious.

“The Whole” having consciousness of its own implies

Pantheism.

Pantheism

means that everything is God.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheism
Advaita has a related ancient history of Pantheism in

Vedanta.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advaita_Vedanta

Stop wanking, please.

Thank you.

Michael Christ

LOL! Hey, at least he's trying to figure shit out. He just

doesn't know

that's impossible to do.

His foundation is "I". That is no foundation. All it does is

leave him

in an abyss.

I too used to regard Descartes's famous observation as undeniably
obvious. Until a Buddhist priest pointed out that the "I" can be

found

nowhere in basic perception.

Because we are not our own creation.

There is only one Person who can say, "I" - Exo_3:14  And God said

unto

Moses, I AM THAT I AM - and we can only find ourselves within that

"I".

Otherwise, there is only an eternal struggle for who we are and

what we

are. It is only stands to reason that our design is fully known by

our

Designer.

Michael Christ

Very Christian.

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On 30/05/2022 10:46 am, Ted wrote:

On Sun, 29 May 2022 08:17:23 +1000, Michael Christ <jesusisthelordofall@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 29/05/2022 1:04 am, Ted wrote:

On Sat, 28 May 2022 18:57:46 +1000, Michael Christ >

<jesusisthelordofall@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 28/05/2022 10:21 am, Dale wrote:

no creation either way
there is only "The Whole" and experience
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_theory
here is my logic behind "The Whole" being conscious ...
https://www.dalekelly.org/godhead.html
1) I am conscious.
2) I am part of "The Whole".
3) "The Whole" is part Me.
4) "The Whole" is part conscious.

“The Whole” having consciousness of its own implies

Pantheism.

Pantheism

means that everything is God.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheism
Advaita has a related ancient history of Pantheism in

Vedanta.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advaita_Vedanta

Stop wanking, please.

Thank you.
Michael Christ
LOL! Hey, at least he's trying to figure shit out. He just

doesn't know

that's impossible to do.

His foundation is "I".  That is no foundation.  All it does is

leave him

in an abyss.

I too used to regard Descartes's famous observation as undeniably >

obvious. Until a Buddhist priest pointed out that the "I" can be

found

nowhere in basic perception.

Because we are not our own creation.

There is only one Person who can say, "I" - Exo_3:14  And God said

unto

Moses, I AM THAT I AM - and we can only find ourselves within that

"I".

Otherwise, there is only an eternal struggle for who we are and

what we

are.  It is only stands to reason that our design is fully known by

our

Designer.

Michael Christ

Very Christian.

I am only telling you the truth, Ted.

If all we have is a lost Buddhist 'I', what are we and where are we?

Can you say that is true to our being? That we divorce ourselves of all purpose and meaning so we can be free of desire so we can be nothing?

When John Locke says there is no purpose and no meaning in creation,
that is exactly what he is saying, "I am nothing".

Is that the truth?




Michael Christ

--
Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

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