• Supreme Court divided over Obamacare mandate for no-cost preventive hea

    From useapen@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 22 08:18:45 2025
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    The Supreme Court appeared divided Monday over the constitutionality of a government task force that determines what preventive health care services insurers must cover at no cost under the Affordable Care Act of 2010.

    Tens of millions of Americans have benefitted from the group's binding recommendations to health plans, which must underwrite a broad range of treatments from cancer screenings to cholesterol-lowering medications and
    drugs to prevent the spread of HIV.

    A group of Christian-owned businesses is challenging the arrangement,
    alleging that the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force, which operates out
    of the Department of Health and Human Services, is not legally structured
    and possesses unchecked power to influence the health care system. Lower federal courts agreed.

    The 16-member panel of expert volunteers is appointed by the HHS
    secretary. Members are removable at-will, but they are not confirmed by
    the Senate. It is also supposed to operate "independent" of political influence, meaning its recommendations are not directly reviewable.

    The Trump administration, which is defending the task force, argues
    members are supervised by the HHS secretary, who is Senate-confirmed and
    can effectively override any of the group's decisions.

    The Court's three liberal members -- Justices Sonia Sotomayor, Elena Kagan
    and Ketanji Brown Jackson -- all appeared inclined to uphold the task
    force's authority and the recommendations for covered preventive services
    since 2010.

    Justices Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett also seemed open to affirm
    the arrangement under the landmark health law, but their positions were
    not entirely clear.

    At one point, Kavanaugh notably suggested the task force was not as
    independent or powerful as critics are making it out to be.

    "Your theory depends on us treating the task force as this massively
    important agency that operates with unreviewable authority to make really critical decisions that are going to affect the economy and without any supervision or direction by the secretary," Kavanaugh told Jonathan
    Mitchell, the attorney representing the Christian businesses. "Normally,
    before that kind of thing would happen, Congress would have provided
    stronger indications that this task force is enormously important in the American economy and would have treated it such. And I just don't see indications of that."

    Justices Samuel Alito, Clarence Thomas and Neil Gorsuch appeared more sympathetic to the challengers.

    "What's the statutory authority to appoint the task force?" Thomas asked
    Deputy Solicitor General Hashim Mooppan.

    Mooppan replied, citing a federal law that allows an HHS direct to
    "convene" a task force. Thomas suggested Congress never designated anyone
    the authority to run the group.

    "You're using the word 'convene,'" he said. "I think that normally
    connotes just calling a meeting or something. The court was convened this morning. The chief [justice] didn't appoint any of us."

    For his part, Chief Justice John Roberts -- who famously has voted to save
    the Affordable Care Act from existential challenges in the last 15 years -
    - remained relatively quiet during the debate.

    Among the services implicated in the case are no-cost coverage for statins
    to lower cholesterol; colonoscopies for 45- to 49-year-olds; preexposure prophylaxis (PrEP) medicine to reduce the spread of HIV; medications to
    lower the risk of breast cancer for women; and lung cancer screenings for smokers.

    If the justices uphold lower court rulings that the task force is unconstitutional, its recommendations since 2010 could be invalidated --
    and along with them the guarantee of no-cost preventive services coverage
    many people enjoy.

    "The case is not the kind of existential threat that we have seen in
    previous Supreme Court cases involving the ACA, but it's certainly
    something that could affect a lot of people," said Larry Levitt, executive
    vice president at KFF, a nonpartisan health policy group.

    The heart of the legal dispute turns on the Constitution's Appointments
    Clause. The provision requires "principle officers" of the U.S.
    government, such as Cabinet secretaries and ambassadors, to be confirmed
    by the Senate. It stipulates that "inferior officers" who are appointed by Senate-confirmed officials are permissible, provided they are supervised
    and reviewed.

    The plaintiffs allege that members of the task force not properly
    appointed since they are not Senate-confirmed. The Trump administration
    insists they are "inferior officers" of the government and not subject to
    the confirmation requirement.

    “Americans have the constitutionally protected freedom to live and work according to their religious beliefs, and governments exist to defend that freedom," said Daniel Grabowski, an attorney with Alliance Defending
    Freedom, a conservative legal advocacy group supporting the plaintiffs.
    "We urge the Supreme Court to restore this accountability within the
    federal government and to the American people.”

    More than 150 million Americans rely on early screenings and interventions
    for chronic conditions under no-cost preventive services, according to
    American medical organizations. Public health groups say a decision
    striking down the task force could deeply affect the long-term health of Americans and disease prevention efforts. Insurers worry that it could
    inject instability into the insurance market, while hospital groups fear
    they may have to shoulder more of the burden from people who are sicker.

    "The ACA’s preventive services requirement has been a game-changer,
    providing access to evidence-based preventive care and early detection of serious medical conditions," said Wayne Turner, a senior attorney at the National Health Law Program, a nonprofit group that advocates for low-
    income communities. "The ACA’s coverage and cost-sharing protections are especially important for low-income persons, who will be harmed most if
    the Supreme Court refuses to allow the ACA provision to stand."

    A decision in the case -- Kennedy v. Braidwood Management -- is expected
    by the end of June.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/supreme-court-hears-challenge-obamacare- cost-preventive-health/story?id=120926471

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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to useapen on Tue Apr 22 13:31:31 2025
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    useapen <yourdime@outlook.com> wrote in
    news:XnsB2C9D5A9E6DFBX@135.181.20.170:

    The Supreme Court appeared divided Monday over the constitutionality
    of a government task force that determines what preventive health care services insurers must cover at no cost under the Affordable Care Act
    of 2010.

    Tens of millions of Americans have benefitted from the group's binding recommendations to health plans, which must underwrite a broad range
    of treatments from cancer screenings to cholesterol-lowering
    medications and drugs to prevent the spread of HIV.



    Remember life before ObamaCare?




    Health insurer tied bonuses to
    dropping sick policyholders
    November 09, 2007

    One of the state's largest health
    insurers set goals and paid bonuses
    based in part on how many individual
    policyholders were dropped and how
    much money was saved.

    Woodland Hills-based Health Net
    Inc. avoided paying $35.5 million
    in medical expenses by rescinding
    about 1,600 policies between 2000
    and 2006. During that period,
    it paid its senior analyst in
    charge of cancellations more than
    $20,000 in bonuses based in part
    on her meeting or exceeding annual
    targets for revoking policies,
    documents disclosed Thursday showed. http://articles.latimes.com/2007/nov/09/business/fi-insure9

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  • From Yak@21:1/5 to useapen on Tue Apr 22 09:40:22 2025
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    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics

    On 4/22/2025 4:18 AM, useapen wrote:
    The Supreme Court appeared divided Monday over the constitutionality of a government task force that determines what preventive health care services insurers must cover at no cost under the Affordable Care Act of 2010.

    Tens of millions of Americans have benefitted from the group's binding recommendations to health plans, which must underwrite a broad range of treatments from cancer screenings to cholesterol-lowering medications and drugs to prevent the spread of HIV.

    A group of Christian-owned businesses is challenging the arrangement, alleging that the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force, which operates out
    of the Department of Health and Human Services, is not legally structured
    and possesses unchecked power to influence the health care system. Lower federal courts agreed.

    The 16-member panel of expert volunteers is appointed by the HHS
    secretary. Members are removable at-will, but they are not confirmed by
    the Senate. It is also supposed to operate "independent" of political influence, meaning its recommendations are not directly reviewable.

    The Trump administration, which is defending the task force, argues
    members are supervised by the HHS secretary, who is Senate-confirmed and
    can effectively override any of the group's decisions.

    The Court's three liberal members -- Justices Sonia Sotomayor, Elena Kagan and Ketanji Brown Jackson -- all appeared inclined to uphold the task
    force's authority and the recommendations for covered preventive services since 2010.

    Justices Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett also seemed open to affirm
    the arrangement under the landmark health law, but their positions were
    not entirely clear.

    At one point, Kavanaugh notably suggested the task force was not as independent or powerful as critics are making it out to be.

    "Your theory depends on us treating the task force as this massively important agency that operates with unreviewable authority to make really critical decisions that are going to affect the economy and without any supervision or direction by the secretary," Kavanaugh told Jonathan
    Mitchell, the attorney representing the Christian businesses. "Normally, before that kind of thing would happen, Congress would have provided
    stronger indications that this task force is enormously important in the American economy and would have treated it such. And I just don't see indications of that."

    Justices Samuel Alito, Clarence Thomas and Neil Gorsuch appeared more sympathetic to the challengers.

    "What's the statutory authority to appoint the task force?" Thomas asked Deputy Solicitor General Hashim Mooppan.

    Mooppan replied, citing a federal law that allows an HHS direct to
    "convene" a task force. Thomas suggested Congress never designated anyone
    the authority to run the group.

    "You're using the word 'convene,'" he said. "I think that normally
    connotes just calling a meeting or something. The court was convened this morning. The chief [justice] didn't appoint any of us."

    For his part, Chief Justice John Roberts -- who famously has voted to save the Affordable Care Act from existential challenges in the last 15 years -
    - remained relatively quiet during the debate.

    Among the services implicated in the case are no-cost coverage for statins
    to lower cholesterol; colonoscopies for 45- to 49-year-olds; preexposure prophylaxis (PrEP) medicine to reduce the spread of HIV; medications to
    lower the risk of breast cancer for women; and lung cancer screenings for smokers.

    If the justices uphold lower court rulings that the task force is unconstitutional, its recommendations since 2010 could be invalidated --
    and along with them the guarantee of no-cost preventive services coverage many people enjoy.

    "The case is not the kind of existential threat that we have seen in
    previous Supreme Court cases involving the ACA, but it's certainly
    something that could affect a lot of people," said Larry Levitt, executive vice president at KFF, a nonpartisan health policy group.

    The heart of the legal dispute turns on the Constitution's Appointments Clause. The provision requires "principle officers" of the U.S.
    government, such as Cabinet secretaries and ambassadors, to be confirmed
    by the Senate. It stipulates that "inferior officers" who are appointed by Senate-confirmed officials are permissible, provided they are supervised
    and reviewed.

    The plaintiffs allege that members of the task force not properly
    appointed since they are not Senate-confirmed. The Trump administration insists they are "inferior officers" of the government and not subject to
    the confirmation requirement.

    “Americans have the constitutionally protected freedom to live and work according to their religious beliefs, and governments exist to defend that freedom," said Daniel Grabowski, an attorney with Alliance Defending
    Freedom, a conservative legal advocacy group supporting the plaintiffs.
    "We urge the Supreme Court to restore this accountability within the
    federal government and to the American people.â€

    More than 150 million Americans rely on early screenings and interventions for chronic conditions under no-cost preventive services, according to American medical organizations. Public health groups say a decision
    striking down the task force could deeply affect the long-term health of Americans and disease prevention efforts. Insurers worry that it could
    inject instability into the insurance market, while hospital groups fear
    they may have to shoulder more of the burden from people who are sicker.

    "The ACA’s preventive services requirement has been a game-changer, providing access to evidence-based preventive care and early detection of serious medical conditions," said Wayne Turner, a senior attorney at the National Health Law Program, a nonprofit group that advocates for low-
    income communities. "The ACA’s coverage and cost-sharing protections are especially important for low-income persons, who will be harmed most if
    the Supreme Court refuses to allow the ACA provision to stand."

    A decision in the case -- Kennedy v. Braidwood Management -- is expected
    by the end of June.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/supreme-court-hears-challenge-obamacare- cost-preventive-health/story?id=120926471

    Nice. potentially more unelected, unaccountable government officials
    controling us. Let's see if the SCOTUS gets this one right and forces
    congress to do its damned job for a change.

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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Yak on Tue Apr 22 18:18:30 2025
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    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics

    Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:vu8686$kl47$1@dont-email.me:

    On 4/22/2025 4:18 AM, useapen wrote:
    The Supreme Court appeared divided Monday over the constitutionality
    of a government task force that determines what preventive health
    care services insurers must cover at no cost under the Affordable
    Care Act of 2010.

    Tens of millions of Americans have benefitted from the group's
    binding recommendations to health plans, which must underwrite a
    broad range of treatments from cancer screenings to
    cholesterol-lowering medications and drugs to prevent the spread of
    HIV.
    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/supreme-court-hears-challenge-obamacar
    e- cost-preventive-health/story?id=120926471

    Nice. potentially more unelected, unaccountable government officials controling us.


    like Elon Musk.

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  • From Skeeter OG@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 22 15:01:11 2025
    XPost: alt.fraud, law.court.federal, alt.politics.obama
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics

    In article <XnsB2C987AC49DAA629555@185.151.15.160>,
    noemail@aol.com says...

    Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:vu8686$kl47$1@dont-email.me:

    On 4/22/2025 4:18 AM, useapen wrote:
    The Supreme Court appeared divided Monday over the constitutionality
    of a government task force that determines what preventive health
    care services insurers must cover at no cost under the Affordable
    Care Act of 2010.

    Tens of millions of Americans have benefitted from the group's
    binding recommendations to health plans, which must underwrite a
    broad range of treatments from cancer screenings to
    cholesterol-lowering medications and drugs to prevent the spread of
    HIV.
    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/supreme-court-hears-challenge-obamacar
    e- cost-preventive-health/story?id=120926471

    Nice. potentially more unelected, unaccountable government officials controling us.


    like Elon Musk.

    Like Harris?

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  • From Lou Ricardo@21:1/5 to Yak on Tue Apr 22 15:33:27 2025
    XPost: alt.fraud, law.court.federal, alt.politics.obama
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics

    On 4/22/2025 6:40 AM, Yak wrote:
    On 4/22/2025 4:18 AM, useapen wrote:
    The Supreme Court appeared divided Monday over the constitutionality of a
    government task force that determines what preventive health care
    services
    insurers must cover at no cost under the Affordable Care Act of 2010.

    Tens of millions of Americans have benefitted from the group's binding
    recommendations to health plans, which must underwrite a broad range of
    treatments from cancer screenings to cholesterol-lowering medications and
    drugs to prevent the spread of HIV.

    A group of Christian-owned businesses is challenging the arrangement,
    alleging that the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force, which operates out
    of the Department of Health and Human Services, is not legally structured
    and possesses unchecked power to influence the health care system. Lower
    federal courts agreed.

    The 16-member panel of expert volunteers is appointed by the HHS
    secretary. Members are removable at-will, but they are not confirmed by
    the Senate. It is also supposed to operate "independent" of political
    influence, meaning its recommendations are not directly reviewable.

    The Trump administration, which is defending the task force, argues
    members are supervised by the HHS secretary, who is Senate-confirmed and
    can effectively override any of the group's decisions.

    The Court's three liberal members -- Justices Sonia Sotomayor, Elena
    Kagan
    and Ketanji Brown Jackson -- all appeared inclined to uphold the task
    force's authority and the recommendations for covered preventive services
    since 2010.

    Justices Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett also seemed open to affirm
    the arrangement under the landmark health law, but their positions were
    not entirely clear.

    At one point, Kavanaugh notably suggested the task force was not as
    independent or powerful as critics are making it out to be.

    "Your theory depends on us treating the task force as this massively
    important agency that operates with unreviewable authority to make really
    critical decisions that are going to affect the economy and without any
    supervision or direction by the secretary," Kavanaugh told Jonathan
    Mitchell, the attorney representing the Christian businesses. "Normally,
    before that kind of thing would happen, Congress would have provided
    stronger indications that this task force is enormously important in the
    American economy and would have treated it such. And I just don't see
    indications of that."

    Justices Samuel Alito, Clarence Thomas and Neil Gorsuch appeared more
    sympathetic to the challengers.

    "What's the statutory authority to appoint the task force?" Thomas asked
    Deputy Solicitor General Hashim Mooppan.

    Mooppan replied, citing a federal law that allows an HHS direct to
    "convene" a task force. Thomas suggested Congress never designated anyone
    the authority to run the group.

    "You're using the word 'convene,'" he said. "I think that normally
    connotes just calling a meeting or something. The court was convened this
    morning. The chief [justice] didn't appoint any of us."

    For his part, Chief Justice John Roberts -- who famously has voted to
    save
    the Affordable Care Act from existential challenges in the last 15
    years -
    - remained relatively quiet during the debate.

    Among the services implicated in the case are no-cost coverage for
    statins
    to lower cholesterol; colonoscopies for 45- to 49-year-olds; preexposure
    prophylaxis (PrEP) medicine to reduce the spread of HIV; medications to
    lower the risk of breast cancer for women; and lung cancer screenings for
    smokers.

    If the justices uphold lower court rulings that the task force is
    unconstitutional, its recommendations since 2010 could be invalidated --
    and along with them the guarantee of no-cost preventive services coverage
    many people enjoy.

    "The case is not the kind of existential threat that we have seen in
    previous Supreme Court cases involving the ACA, but it's certainly
    something that could affect a lot of people," said Larry Levitt,
    executive
    vice president at KFF, a nonpartisan health policy group.

    The heart of the legal dispute turns on the Constitution's Appointments
    Clause. The provision requires "principle officers" of the U.S.
    government, such as Cabinet secretaries and ambassadors, to be confirmed
    by the Senate. It stipulates that "inferior officers" who are
    appointed by
    Senate-confirmed officials are permissible, provided they are supervised
    and reviewed.

    The plaintiffs allege that members of the task force not properly
    appointed since they are not Senate-confirmed. The Trump administration
    insists they are "inferior officers" of the government and not subject to
    the confirmation requirement.

    “Americans have the constitutionally protected freedom to live and work
    according to their religious beliefs, and governments exist to defend
    that
    freedom," said Daniel Grabowski, an attorney with Alliance Defending
    Freedom, a conservative legal advocacy group supporting the plaintiffs.
    "We urge the Supreme Court to restore this accountability within the
    federal government and to the American people.â€

    More than 150 million Americans rely on early screenings and
    interventions
    for chronic conditions under no-cost preventive services, according to
    American medical organizations. Public health groups say a decision
    striking down the task force could deeply affect the long-term health of
    Americans and disease prevention efforts. Insurers worry that it could
    inject instability into the insurance market, while hospital groups fear
    they may have to shoulder more of the burden from people who are sicker.

    "The ACA’s preventive services requirement has been a game-changer,
    providing access to evidence-based preventive care and early detection of
    serious medical conditions," said Wayne Turner, a senior attorney at the
    National Health Law Program, a nonprofit group that advocates for low-
    income communities. "The ACA’s coverage and cost-sharing protections are >> especially important for low-income persons, who will be harmed most if
    the Supreme Court refuses to allow the ACA provision to stand."

    A decision in the case -- Kennedy v. Braidwood Management -- is expected
    by the end of June.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/supreme-court-hears-challenge-obamacare-
    cost-preventive-health/story?id=120926471

    Nice. potentially more unelected, unaccountable government officials controling us. Let's see if the SCOTUS gets this one right and forces congress to do its damned job for a change.

    Congress is too busy filling their pockets thanks to Nancy Pelosi.

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  • From verde@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 23 19:19:33 2025
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    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics

    On 22 Apr 2025, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> posted some news:XnsB2C957043473B629555@185.151.15.190:

    useapen <yourdime@outlook.com> wrote in news:XnsB2C9D5A9E6DFBX@135.181.20.170:

    The Supreme Court appeared divided Monday over the constitutionality
    of a government task force that determines what preventive health care
    services insurers must cover at no cost under the Affordable Care Act
    of 2010.

    Tens of millions of Americans have benefitted from the group's binding
    recommendations to health plans, which must underwrite a broad range
    of treatments from cancer screenings to cholesterol-lowering
    medications and drugs to prevent the spread of HIV.

    Remember life before ObamaCare?

    Insurance premiums were 350% lower on the average.

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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to verde on Thu Apr 24 02:04:32 2025
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    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics

    verde <verde@unknow.com.invalid> wrote in news:vubeg4$1oq$2
    @toxic.dizum.net:

    On 22 Apr 2025, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> posted some news:XnsB2C957043473B629555@185.151.15.190:

    useapen <yourdime@outlook.com> wrote in
    news:XnsB2C9D5A9E6DFBX@135.181.20.170:

    The Supreme Court appeared divided Monday over the constitutionality
    of a government task force that determines what preventive health care
    services insurers must cover at no cost under the Affordable Care Act
    of 2010.

    Tens of millions of Americans have benefitted from the group's binding
    recommendations to health plans, which must underwrite a broad range
    of treatments from cancer screenings to cholesterol-lowering
    medications and drugs to prevent the spread of HIV.

    Remember life before ObamaCare?

    Insurance premiums were 350% lower on the average.



    Insurance policies that were worthless
    because they would never be honored?

    "Thanks for your 14 years worth of
    payments, now that you are sick your
    policy is cancelled, sucks to be you,
    right?"

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