• Good guy with gun stops downtown shooter, cold!

    From a425couple@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 30 12:16:32 2025
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    Good guy with gun stops downtown shooter, cold!

    see the TV newsbroadcast https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/armed-civilian-kills-teen-suspect-downtown-seattle-shooting/281-5f9b926f-7561-4e12-8cee-2280bb6c7ee6

    Armed civilian kills teen suspect after downtown Seattle shooting
    Police said the teen shot two people before he encountered a 57-year-old
    man licensed to carry a firearm, who then shot the teen.

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    KING 5 News at Noon

    Author: Bridget Chavez
    Published: 5:57 PM PDT May 29, 2025
    Updated: 8:06 PM PDT May 29, 2025
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    SEATTLE — A legally armed civilian shot and killed a 16-year-old boy Wednesday night after the teen allegedly opened fire on two people in
    downtown Seattle, according to police.

    The shooting happened just after 10 p.m. near First Avenue and Union
    Street. Police said the teen shot two people before he encountered a 57-year-old man licensed to carry a firearm, who then shot the teen.

    “One individual produced a weapon, fired on the two individuals and then began to flee the scene,” said Seattle Police Chief Shon Barnes. “When
    he did, he encountered a private citizen that was licensed to carry and
    that private citizen fired his weapon, striking the suspect.”

    The teen, along with both shooting victims, was taken to Harborview
    Medical Center, where the 16-year-old later died. One of the victims has
    since been released from the hospital, while the other remains in
    satisfactory condition, police said.

    Barnes said the teen’s weapon was recovered at the scene. The
    57-year-old man who opened fire is cooperating with the investigation
    and is not currently considered a suspect.

    Detectives are still working to determine what led up to the shooting
    and whether the victims and the suspect knew each other.

    “We need people to have cooler heads to prevail,” Barnes said. “People who are carrying weapons — just know that our officers are out here, we
    are doing proactive patrols.”

    KING 5 law enforcement analyst John Urquhart says the case is likely
    being viewed through the lens of Washington’s self-defense laws.

    “Washington is what they call a ‘no duty to retreat’ state,” Urquhart said. “Other states call it ‘stand your ground.’ The idea is exactly the same — when a person is confronted by a bad guy, he is not required to
    back away or run away.”

    Urquhart added that the timing and proximity of the shooting will be key
    in determining whether the use of deadly force was legally justified.

    “Did he intervene when the suspect was running away and a block away —
    or when the suspect was still on scene and clearly armed?” he said. “The fact that the citizen was not arrested, was not booked, is not being
    described as a suspect, leads me to believe Seattle police see this as a
    legal and justified use of force. But again, they don’t make the final decision — the prosecutor’s office does.”


    Seattle police are asking anyone with information about the incident to
    call their Violent Crimes Tip Line at 206-233-5000.

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  • From max headroom@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 30 13:12:43 2025
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    In news:lun_P.522823$qmJf.301581@fx16.iad, a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> typed:

    Good guy with gun stops downtown shooter, cold!

    see the TV newsbroadcast https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/armed-civilian-kills-teen-suspect-downtown-seattle-shooting/281-5f9b926f-7561-4e12-8cee-2280bb6c7ee6

    Armed civilian kills teen suspect after downtown Seattle shooting
    Police said the teen shot two people before he encountered a 57-year-old
    man licensed to carry a firearm, who then shot the teen....

    I can't believe it until Jones confirms it.

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  • From a425couple@21:1/5 to max headroom on Sat May 31 08:57:19 2025
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    XPost: ca.politics, fl.politics

    On 5/30/25 13:12, max headroom wrote:
    In news:lun_P.522823$qmJf.301581@fx16.iad, a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com>
    typed:

    Good guy with gun stops downtown shooter, cold!

    see the TV newsbroadcast
    https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/armed-civilian-kills-teen-suspect-downtown-seattle-shooting/281-5f9b926f-7561-4e12-8cee-2280bb6c7ee6

    Armed civilian kills teen suspect after downtown Seattle shooting
    Police said the teen shot two people before he encountered a 57-year-old
    man licensed to carry a firearm, who then shot the teen....

    I can't believe it until Jones confirms it.

    I have not seen him in a while.

    I for whatever reason, do not subscribe to
    alt.war.vietnam any more. Do you?


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  • From !Jones@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 31 11:22:13 2025
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    XPost: ca.politics, fl.politics

    On 5/30/25 13:12, max headroom wrote:
    In news:lun_P.522823$qmJf.301581@fx16.iad, a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com>
    typed:

    Good guy with gun stops downtown shooter, cold!

    see the TV newsbroadcast
    https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/armed-civilian-kills-teen-suspect-downtown-seattle-shooting/281-5f9b926f-7561-4e12-8cee-2280bb6c7ee6

    Armed civilian kills teen suspect after downtown Seattle shooting
    Police said the teen shot two people before he encountered a 57-year-old >>> man licensed to carry a firearm, who then shot the teen....

    I can't believe it until Jones confirms it.

    I have not seen him in a while.

    I for whatever reason, do not subscribe to
    alt.war.vietnam any more. Do you?

    Good day, gentlemen.

    I would believe it; however, I need stronger evidence than a newsreel.
    I can pull the police report and it will contain the medical
    examiner's finding that the person died as a result of a GSW (gunshot
    wound). Right now, all we have is a news media report & they don't
    count; although, I'm sure you'll believe anything that supports your
    existing beliefs.

    AWV has been effectively extinct for years. I know of few of the old
    group still above ground. I see Nigel Brooks and Dean Shultis
    about... ran into Bill Langston about a year ago.

    I have never seen anything settled via a social media discussion;
    thus, I don't find the process to be productive.

    Jones

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  • From !Jones@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 31 12:28:40 2025
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    XPost: ca.politics, fl.politics

    On 5/30/25 13:12, max headroom wrote:
    In news:lun_P.522823$qmJf.301581@fx16.iad, a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com>
    typed:

    Good guy with gun stops downtown shooter, cold!

    see the TV newsbroadcast
    https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/armed-civilian-kills-teen-suspect-downtown-seattle-shooting/281-5f9b926f-7561-4e12-8cee-2280bb6c7ee6

    Armed civilian kills teen suspect after downtown Seattle shooting
    Police said the teen shot two people before he encountered a 57-year-old >>>> man licensed to carry a firearm, who then shot the teen....

    I can't believe it until Jones confirms it.

    I have not seen him in a while.

    I for whatever reason, do not subscribe to
    alt.war.vietnam any more. Do you?

    Good day, gentlemen.

    I would believe it; however, I need stronger evidence than a newsreel.
    I can pull the police report and it will contain the medical
    examiner's finding that the person died as a result of a GSW (gunshot
    wound). Right now, all we have is a news media report & they don't
    count; although, I'm sure you'll believe anything that supports your
    existing beliefs.

    AWV has been effectively extinct for years. I know of few of the old
    group still above ground. I see Nigel Brooks and Dean Shultis
    about... ran into Bill Langston about a year ago.

    I have never seen anything settled via a social media discussion;
    thus, I don't find the process to be productive.

    Jones

    I forgot John MacDonald. Other than those (thee & me, of course), I
    can think of no others. (I'm pretty sure that there *are* some.)

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  • From a425couple@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 31 11:58:26 2025
    XPost: seattle.politics, alt.law-enforcement, or.politics
    XPost: ca.politics, fl.politics

    On 5/31/25 10:28, !Jones wrote:
    On 5/30/25 13:12, max headroom wrote:
    In news:lun_P.522823$qmJf.301581@fx16.iad, a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com>
    typed:

    Good guy with gun stops downtown shooter, cold!

    see the TV newsbroadcast
    https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/armed-civilian-kills-teen-suspect-downtown-seattle-shooting/281-5f9b926f-7561-4e12-8cee-2280bb6c7ee6

    Armed civilian kills teen suspect after downtown Seattle shooting
    Police said the teen shot two people before he encountered a 57-year-old >>>>> man licensed to carry a firearm, who then shot the teen....

    I can't believe it until Jones confirms it.

    I have not seen him in a while.

    I for whatever reason, do not subscribe to
    alt.war.vietnam any more. Do you?

    Good day, gentlemen.

    I would believe it; however, I need stronger evidence than a newsreel.
    I can pull the police report and it will contain the medical
    examiner's finding that the person died as a result of a GSW (gunshot
    wound). Right now, all we have is a news media report & they don't
    count; although, I'm sure you'll believe anything that supports your
    existing beliefs.

    AWV has been effectively extinct for years. I know of few of the old
    group still above ground. I see Nigel Brooks and Dean Shultis
    about... ran into Bill Langston about a year ago.

    I have never seen anything settled via a social media discussion;
    thus, I don't find the process to be productive.

    Jones

    I forgot John MacDonald. Other than those (thee & me, of course), I
    can think of no others. (I'm pretty sure that there *are* some.)

    Even though we disagree on many issues these days,
    This old Marine thanks you for you military service
    way back then.

    I'd exchanged emails, maybe even phone calls or a Christmas
    card with "Mac". He got more and more eratic and incoherent.
    Wheelchair and amputation and lots go downhill.
    Nothing from him now in a long time.

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  • From !Jones@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 31 14:42:36 2025
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    XPost: ca.politics, fl.politics

    Even though we disagree on many issues these days,
    This old Marine thanks you for you military service
    way back then.

    I'd exchanged emails, maybe even phone calls or a Christmas
    card with "Mac". He got more and more eratic and incoherent.
    Wheelchair and amputation and lots go downhill.
    Nothing from him now in a long time.

    You mean Mac McKinzie (rvn362@swbell.net) ... lived in Arlington, TX?
    Yeah, he passed in '18. I adopted his dog.

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  • From Oven Repair@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 31 13:26:02 2025
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    XPost: ca.politics, fl.politics

    On 5/31/2025 8:57 AM, a425couple wrote:
    On 5/30/25 13:12, max headroom wrote:
    In news:lun_P.522823$qmJf.301581@fx16.iad, a425couple
    <a425couple@hotmail.com> typed:

    Good guy with gun stops downtown shooter, cold!

    see the TV newsbroadcast
    https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/armed-civilian-kills-teen-suspect-downtown-seattle-shooting/281-5f9b926f-7561-4e12-8cee-2280bb6c7ee6



    Armed civilian kills teen suspect after downtown Seattle shooting
    Police said the teen shot two people before he encountered a
    57-year-old man licensed to carry a firearm, who then shot the
    teen....

    I can't believe it until Jones confirms it.

    I have not seen him in a while.

    I for whatever reason, do not subscribe to alt.war.vietnam any
    more. Do you?

    I read it occasionally myself.

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