• This is one of the stupidest effing paragraphs I have ever read in my l

    From useapen@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 12 07:03:32 2025
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    XPost: sac.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    The Washington Post
    @washingtonpost
    ·
    Follow
    Nearly 4 in 5 Americans believe immigration is good for the country, a
    record high, according to a poll released Friday that comes as President
    Donald Trump continues to take drastic measures to deport people who are
    in the country illegally. https://wapo.st/44JuCfB

    https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1943753695877115905/pF011Tx1?format=jpg&nam e=360x360

    https://floppingaces.net/most-wanted/this-is-one-of-the-stupidest-effing- paragraphs-i-have-ever-read-in-my-life/

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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to useapen on Sat Jul 12 13:44:58 2025
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    XPost: sac.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    useapen <yourdime@outlook.com> wrote in
    news:XnsB31A9919C7CBX@135.181.20.170:

    The Washington Post
    @washingtonpost
    ·
    Follow
    Nearly 4 in 5 Americans believe immigration is good for the country, a
    record high, according to a poll released Friday that comes as
    President Donald Trump continues to take drastic measures to deport
    people who are in the country illegally. https://wapo.st/44JuCfB

    https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1943753695877115905/pF011Tx1?format=jpg&
    nam e=360x360

    https://floppingaces.net/most-wanted/this-is-one-of-the-stupidest-effin
    g- paragraphs-i-have-ever-read-in-my-life/




    Legal or not the US needs immigrants.



    U.S. Risks Decline And Stagnation
    Without Immigrants
    Aug 23 2023

    The U.S. labor force will shrink, and
    America risks stagnation and declining
    living standards without immigrants,
    according to new research. Immigrants
    can boost the U.S. working-age
    population and offset America's falling
    birthrate and the retirement of Baby
    Boomers. U.S. elected officials must
    decide whether to change immigration
    laws and policies to bolster America's
    labor force and prevent decline.

    "Without continued net inflows of
    immigrants, the U.S. working-age
    population will shrink over the next
    two decades and by 2040, the United
    States will have over 6 million fewer
    working-age people than in 2022,"
    concluded a study by economist and
    University of North Florida Professor
    Madeline Zavodny for the National
    Foundation for American Policy (NFAP).
    "Announcements of high-profile layoffs
    and concerns about the impact of
    artificial intelligence (AI) obscure
    America's continuing need for additional
    workers at the top and bottom of the
    skill distribution. International
    migration is the only potential source
    of growth in the U.S. working-age
    population in the coming years." https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2023/08/23/us-risks-decline- and-stagnation-without-immigrants/?sh=5b4d5179250a

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  • From Dark Brandon@21:1/5 to Mitchell Holman on Sun Jul 13 11:18:14 2025
    XPost: alt.journalism.criticism, alt.politics.immigration, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: sac.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 7/12/2025 7:44 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
    "Announcements of high-profile layoffs
    and concerns about the impact of
    artificial intelligence (AI) obscure
    America's continuing need for additional
    workers at the top and bottom of the
    skill distribution.

    "Workers" can't seem to flee overpopulated countries like Mexico, India,
    Egypt, Nigeria and Pakistan fast enough. Europe, Australia, and the
    United States can't seem to stop the flood of "workers" looking to live
    and work in relatively lower population countries. If one visits India,
    Egypt, or even Hong Kong it's literally a breath of fresh air to enjoy a
    visit to Wyoming, Idaho, New Mexico or Hawaii where there's open space,
    wild lands, quiet places, dark skies at night, and plenty of water and
    clean air.

    In the 1960s, when the Census Bureau put the population of the United
    States at around 170 million, the standard of living was the highest in
    the world and the "workers" were over 90 percent native born. There was
    a movement for Zero Population Growth and the Baby Boomers were all in
    on keeping states like Colorado and Oregon from becoming overcrowded
    like New York and California were even then.

    In my lifetime, I've seen nothing positive from bringing "workers" to
    any of the states I have visited or called home. We didn't formerly
    have to "press one for English" and air pollution had been practically eliminated by putting catalytic converters on cars. One could find
    places to hike or go camping close to most urban areas and enjoy quiet
    and solitude.

    I call bullshit on "studies" by biased academics, NGO's and Kamalatards
    who promise paradise if "we" just bring in millions of Third World
    "migrants" to the U.S.. It will only lead to our cities looking like
    Calcutta and Mexico City and more and more restrictions on water,
    personal freedom, and even the status of being called an American.
    "American" will mean Ilhan Omar, The Squad, and dual citizen Israeli-"Americans" lording it over the declining European-American
    population that often stupidly parrots talking points fed to them by low
    IQ women on "The View", Morning Joe, Rachel Maddow, and the Karen Bass
    types that pollute our society. When the "elite" call for more invaders
    from the Third World, they really want more dirt cheap labor for Jeff
    Bezos, Bill Gates, Elon Musk, and other billionaires who pay the talking
    heads to spout their pro-immigration nonsense. Make them pay decent
    wages and salaries to Americans instead of importing foreigners on the
    cheap so Bezos can have his half a billion dollar yacht, trophy wife,
    private jets, and private security guards while his bought and paid for politicians hurriedly write anti-Second Amendment "bills" to disarm
    Americans.

    --
    First we will destroy your identity. Then we will teach you your past
    was evil. You will conclude yourself that your inheritance, your
    homeland, your ancestors and your people are underserving of it all.
    Then we will complete your dispossession and dissolve you into the final
    phase of the Kalergi Plan.

    https://www.globalgulag.us

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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Dark Brandon on Sun Jul 13 18:09:07 2025
    XPost: alt.journalism.criticism, alt.politics.immigration, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: sac.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    Dark Brandon <DB@cocks.net> wrote in news:1050pon$2s4pp$1@dont-email.me:

    On 7/12/2025 7:44 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
    "Announcements of high-profile layoffs
    and concerns about the impact of
    artificial intelligence (AI) obscure
    America's continuing need for additional
    workers at the top and bottom of the
    skill distribution.

    "Workers" can't seem to flee overpopulated countries like Mexico,
    India,
    Egypt, Nigeria and Pakistan fast enough. Europe, Australia, and the
    United States can't seem to stop the flood of "workers" looking to live
    and work in relatively lower population countries. If one visits
    India,
    Egypt, or even Hong Kong it's literally a breath of fresh air to enjoy
    a
    visit to Wyoming, Idaho, New Mexico or Hawaii where there's open space,
    wild lands, quiet places, dark skies at night, and plenty of water and
    clean air.

    In the 1960s, when the Census Bureau put the population of the United
    States at around 170 million, the standard of living was the highest in
    the world and the "workers" were over 90 percent native born. There
    was
    a movement for Zero Population Growth and the Baby Boomers were all in
    on keeping states like Colorado and Oregon from becoming overcrowded
    like New York and California were even then.

    In my lifetime, I've seen nothing positive from bringing "workers" to
    any of the states I have visited or called home. We didn't formerly
    have to "press one for English" and air pollution had been practically eliminated by putting catalytic converters on cars. One could find
    places to hike or go camping close to most urban areas and enjoy quiet
    and solitude.


    Some of us remember the xenophobic rantss
    against the Vietnamese refugees Ford brought to
    America. Five years later the communities they
    would put in discovered they were hard working
    people whose shops benefited the towns. They
    taught their children English in a hurry and
    they were soon winning scholarships and science
    awards.



    I call bullshit on "studies" by biased academics, NGO's and Kamalatards
    who promise paradise if "we" just bring in millions of Third World
    "migrants" to the U.S.. It will only lead to our cities looking like
    Calcutta and Mexico City and more and more restrictions on water,
    personal freedom, and even the status of being called an American.


    America has always needed immigrants to
    do the tough jobs Americas won't touch. Irish
    miners, German farmers, Chinese "coolies",
    Mexican braceros, negro slaves. Do you really
    then Gen X Americans are going to put down
    their Playstations to go work in the fields
    and gut chickens and work in hotel laundries?

    We NEED immigrants.

    If "but they are illegal" is an issue then
    solve the problem the Reagan Way and give them
    all amnesty. Suddenly they are tax paying legal
    residents and still doing the crap jobs no one
    else wants.

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  • From Dark Brandon@21:1/5 to Mitchell Holman on Sun Jul 13 13:33:29 2025
    XPost: alt.journalism.criticism, alt.politics.immigration, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: sac.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 7/13/2025 12:09 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
    Some of us remember the xenophobic rantss
    against the Vietnamese refugees Ford brought to
    America. Five years later the communities they
    would put in discovered they were hard working
    people whose shops benefited the towns. They
    taught their children English in a hurry and
    they were soon winning scholarships and science
    awards.

    The "xenophobic" fishermen and shrimpers who were put out of work by the Vietnamese fishermen would beg to differ in regard to your positive spin
    on their influence to their community. The ACLU and SPLC ruthlessly
    portrayed the American fishermen as racists and bigots for trying to
    protect their historic fishing grounds from the Vietnamese planted into
    their area by various NGO's and the U.S. government. The Vietnamese
    were undoubtedly smart, hard working, and better at assimilating than
    Mexican or Haitian illegal aliens, but it's grossly unfair to portray
    the locals who lost their livelihoods to the immigrants as xenophobic in
    order to dismiss their value as human beings, much less Americans.

    --
    First we will destroy your identity. Then we will teach you your past
    was evil. You will conclude yourself that your inheritance, your
    homeland, your ancestors and your people are underserving of it all.
    Then we will complete your dispossession and dissolve you into the final
    phase of the Kalergi Plan.

    https://www.globalgulag.us

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  • From Gary Roselles@21:1/5 to Mitchell Holman on Sun Jul 13 16:03:18 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.society.liberalism, alt.atheism
    XPost: alt.fun, alt.politics.democrats.d

    On 7/13/2025 11:09 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
    Dark Brandon <DB@cocks.net> wrote in news:1050pon$2s4pp$1@dont-email.me:

    On 7/12/2025 7:44 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
    "Announcements of high-profile layoffs
    and concerns about the impact of
    artificial intelligence (AI) obscure
    America's continuing need for additional
    workers at the top and bottom of the
    skill distribution.

    "Workers" can't seem to flee overpopulated countries like Mexico,
    India,
    Egypt, Nigeria and Pakistan fast enough. Europe, Australia, and the
    United States can't seem to stop the flood of "workers" looking to live
    and work in relatively lower population countries. If one visits
    India,
    Egypt, or even Hong Kong it's literally a breath of fresh air to enjoy
    a
    visit to Wyoming, Idaho, New Mexico or Hawaii where there's open space,
    wild lands, quiet places, dark skies at night, and plenty of water and
    clean air.

    In the 1960s, when the Census Bureau put the population of the United
    States at around 170 million, the standard of living was the highest in
    the world and the "workers" were over 90 percent native born. There
    was
    a movement for Zero Population Growth and the Baby Boomers were all in
    on keeping states like Colorado and Oregon from becoming overcrowded
    like New York and California were even then.

    In my lifetime, I've seen nothing positive from bringing "workers" to
    any of the states I have visited or called home. We didn't formerly
    have to "press one for English" and air pollution had been practically
    eliminated by putting catalytic converters on cars. One could find
    places to hike or go camping close to most urban areas and enjoy quiet
    and solitude.


    Some of us remember the xenophobic rantss
    against the Vietnamese refugees Ford brought to
    America. Five years later the communities they
    would put in discovered they were hard working
    people whose shops benefited the towns. They
    taught their children English in a hurry and
    they were soon winning scholarships and science
    awards.



    I call bullshit on "studies" by biased academics, NGO's and Kamalatards
    who promise paradise if "we" just bring in millions of Third World
    "migrants" to the U.S.. It will only lead to our cities looking like
    Calcutta and Mexico City and more and more restrictions on water,
    personal freedom, and even the status of being called an American.


    America has always needed immigrants to
    do the tough jobs Americas won't touch. Irish
    miners, German farmers, Chinese "coolies",
    Mexican braceros, negro slaves. Do you really
    then Gen X Americans are going to put down
    their Playstations to go work in the fields
    and gut chickens and work in hotel laundries?

    We NEED immigrants.

    I've collected a dozen or so videos ("reels") of farm workers harvesting crops:

    https://www.facebook.com/reel/1955454078556284?mibextid=lOxBnQ https://www.facebook.com/reel/1382069349656907?mibextid=D5vuiz https://www.facebook.com/reel/1365216284551261?mibextid=lOxBnQ https://www.facebook.com/559MarceVazquez/videos/712690044540940/?mibextid=lOxBnQ
    https://www.facebook.com/reel/701296636226269?mibextid=lOxBnQ https://www.facebook.com/reel/1884530212292476?mibextid=lOxBnQ https://www.facebook.com/reel/1907764933329698?mibextid=lOxBnQ https://www.facebook.com/reel/1218883570014825?mibextid=D5vuiz https://www.facebook.com/reel/738483365284253?mibextid=lOxBnQ https://www.facebook.com/reel/1204923311274762?mibextid=D5vuiz https://www.facebook.com/reel/749431317608052?mibextid=lOxBnQ https://www.facebook.com/reel/3949724558622318?mibextid=lOxBnQ https://www.facebook.com/Trabajoscam/videos/4051291968440430/?mibextid=lOxBnQ

    Most of these are in California, where the average wage paid to farm field workers is about $17 per hour. A farmer could offer to pay $51 per hour, or three times the average, and he wouldn't get any white American workers who would last a day.



    If "but they are illegal" is an issue then
    solve the problem the Reagan Way and give them
    all amnesty. Suddenly they are tax paying legal
    residents and still doing the crap jobs no one
    else wants.





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  • From chine.bleu@21:1/5 to Mitchell Holman on Sun Jul 13 18:42:16 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.society.liberalism, alt.atheism
    XPost: alt.fun, alt.politics.democrats.d

    Mitchell Holman wrote:
    Young healthy Americans cannot be
    lured to pick crops despite higher
    wages than most retail outlets pay.

    But the Trump administration
    think Medicaid patients will do the
    work?

    Insane. Just insane.





    US agriculture secretary says Medicaid
    recipients can replace deported farm workers

    They believe only blacks are on medicaid. TACO intends to make them
    slaves again.

    --
    Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. @
    Thank goodness my iron lung is working again! /|\
    The Church of the Holey Apple .signature 3.2 / \
    of Discordian Mysteries. This post insults Islam. Mohamed

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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Gary Roselles on Mon Jul 14 01:37:01 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.society.liberalism, alt.atheism
    XPost: alt.fun, alt.politics.democrats.d

    Gary Roselles <Yeowrghis@Jurgis.net> wrote in news:WWWcQ.1309052$zOOb.451861@fx16.iad:

    On 7/13/2025 11:09 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
    Dark Brandon <DB@cocks.net> wrote in
    news:1050pon$2s4pp$1@dont-email.me:

    On 7/12/2025 7:44 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
    "Announcements of high-profile layoffs
    and concerns about the impact of
    artificial intelligence (AI) obscure
    America's continuing need for additional
    workers at the top and bottom of the
    skill distribution.

    "Workers" can't seem to flee overpopulated countries like Mexico,
    India,
    Egypt, Nigeria and Pakistan fast enough. Europe, Australia, and the
    United States can't seem to stop the flood of "workers" looking to
    live and work in relatively lower population countries. If one
    visits
    India,
    Egypt, or even Hong Kong it's literally a breath of fresh air to
    enjoy
    a
    visit to Wyoming, Idaho, New Mexico or Hawaii where there's open
    space, wild lands, quiet places, dark skies at night, and plenty of
    water and clean air.

    In the 1960s, when the Census Bureau put the population of the
    United States at around 170 million, the standard of living was the
    highest in the world and the "workers" were over 90 percent native
    born. There
    was
    a movement for Zero Population Growth and the Baby Boomers were all
    in on keeping states like Colorado and Oregon from becoming
    overcrowded like New York and California were even then.

    In my lifetime, I've seen nothing positive from bringing "workers"
    to any of the states I have visited or called home. We didn't
    formerly have to "press one for English" and air pollution had been
    practically eliminated by putting catalytic converters on cars. One
    could find places to hike or go camping close to most urban areas
    and enjoy quiet and solitude.


    Some of us remember the xenophobic rantss
    against the Vietnamese refugees Ford brought to
    America. Five years later the communities they
    would put in discovered they were hard working
    people whose shops benefited the towns. They
    taught their children English in a hurry and
    they were soon winning scholarships and science
    awards.



    I call bullshit on "studies" by biased academics, NGO's and
    Kamalatards who promise paradise if "we" just bring in millions of
    Third World "migrants" to the U.S.. It will only lead to our cities
    looking like Calcutta and Mexico City and more and more restrictions
    on water, personal freedom, and even the status of being called an
    American.


    America has always needed immigrants to
    do the tough jobs Americas won't touch. Irish
    miners, German farmers, Chinese "coolies",
    Mexican braceros, negro slaves. Do you really
    then Gen X Americans are going to put down
    their Playstations to go work in the fields
    and gut chickens and work in hotel laundries?

    We NEED immigrants.

    I've collected a dozen or so videos ("reels") of farm workers
    harvesting crops:

    https://www.facebook.com/reel/1955454078556284?mibextid=lOxBnQ https://www.facebook.com/reel/1382069349656907?mibextid=D5vuiz https://www.facebook.com/reel/1365216284551261?mibextid=lOxBnQ https://www.facebook.com/559MarceVazquez/videos/712690044540940/?mibext id=lOxBnQ
    https://www.facebook.com/reel/701296636226269?mibextid=lOxBnQ https://www.facebook.com/reel/1884530212292476?mibextid=lOxBnQ https://www.facebook.com/reel/1907764933329698?mibextid=lOxBnQ https://www.facebook.com/reel/1218883570014825?mibextid=D5vuiz https://www.facebook.com/reel/738483365284253?mibextid=lOxBnQ https://www.facebook.com/reel/1204923311274762?mibextid=D5vuiz https://www.facebook.com/reel/749431317608052?mibextid=lOxBnQ https://www.facebook.com/reel/3949724558622318?mibextid=lOxBnQ https://www.facebook.com/Trabajoscam/videos/4051291968440430/?mibextid= lOxBnQ

    Most of these are in California, where the average wage paid to farm
    field workers is about $17 per hour. A farmer could offer to pay $51
    per hour, or three times the average, and he wouldn't get any white
    American workers who would last a day.


    Exactly.

    Young healthy Americans cannot be
    lured to pick crops despite higher
    wages than most retail outlets pay.

    But the Trump administration
    think Medicaid patients will do the
    work?

    Insane. Just insane.





    US agriculture secretary says Medicaid
    recipients can replace deported farm workers
    Kuly 9 2025
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jul/09/trump-agriculture- medicaid-migrant-farm-workers

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  • From Gary Roselles@21:1/5 to Mitchell Holman on Mon Jul 14 09:37:37 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.society.liberalism, alt.atheism
    XPost: alt.fun, alt.politics.democrats.d

    On 7/13/2025 6:37 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
    Gary Roselles <Yeowrghis@Jurgis.net> wrote in news:WWWcQ.1309052$zOOb.451861@fx16.iad:

    On 7/13/2025 11:09 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
    Dark Brandon <DB@cocks.net> wrote in
    news:1050pon$2s4pp$1@dont-email.me:

    On 7/12/2025 7:44 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
    "Announcements of high-profile layoffs
    and concerns about the impact of
    artificial intelligence (AI) obscure
    America's continuing need for additional
    workers at the top and bottom of the
    skill distribution.

    "Workers" can't seem to flee overpopulated countries like Mexico,
    India,
    Egypt, Nigeria and Pakistan fast enough. Europe, Australia, and the
    United States can't seem to stop the flood of "workers" looking to
    live and work in relatively lower population countries. If one
    visits
    India,
    Egypt, or even Hong Kong it's literally a breath of fresh air to
    enjoy
    a
    visit to Wyoming, Idaho, New Mexico or Hawaii where there's open
    space, wild lands, quiet places, dark skies at night, and plenty of
    water and clean air.

    In the 1960s, when the Census Bureau put the population of the
    United States at around 170 million, the standard of living was the
    highest in the world and the "workers" were over 90 percent native
    born. There
    was
    a movement for Zero Population Growth and the Baby Boomers were all
    in on keeping states like Colorado and Oregon from becoming
    overcrowded like New York and California were even then.

    In my lifetime, I've seen nothing positive from bringing "workers"
    to any of the states I have visited or called home. We didn't
    formerly have to "press one for English" and air pollution had been
    practically eliminated by putting catalytic converters on cars. One
    could find places to hike or go camping close to most urban areas
    and enjoy quiet and solitude.


    Some of us remember the xenophobic rantss
    against the Vietnamese refugees Ford brought to
    America. Five years later the communities they
    would put in discovered they were hard working
    people whose shops benefited the towns. They
    taught their children English in a hurry and
    they were soon winning scholarships and science
    awards.



    I call bullshit on "studies" by biased academics, NGO's and
    Kamalatards who promise paradise if "we" just bring in millions of
    Third World "migrants" to the U.S.. It will only lead to our cities
    looking like Calcutta and Mexico City and more and more restrictions
    on water, personal freedom, and even the status of being called an
    American.


    America has always needed immigrants to
    do the tough jobs Americas won't touch. Irish
    miners, German farmers, Chinese "coolies",
    Mexican braceros, negro slaves. Do you really
    then Gen X Americans are going to put down
    their Playstations to go work in the fields
    and gut chickens and work in hotel laundries?

    We NEED immigrants.

    I've collected a dozen or so videos ("reels") of farm workers
    harvesting crops:

    https://www.facebook.com/reel/1955454078556284?mibextid=lOxBnQ
    https://www.facebook.com/reel/1382069349656907?mibextid=D5vuiz
    https://www.facebook.com/reel/1365216284551261?mibextid=lOxBnQ
    https://www.facebook.com/559MarceVazquez/videos/712690044540940/?mibext
    id=lOxBnQ
    https://www.facebook.com/reel/701296636226269?mibextid=lOxBnQ
    https://www.facebook.com/reel/1884530212292476?mibextid=lOxBnQ
    https://www.facebook.com/reel/1907764933329698?mibextid=lOxBnQ
    https://www.facebook.com/reel/1218883570014825?mibextid=D5vuiz
    https://www.facebook.com/reel/738483365284253?mibextid=lOxBnQ
    https://www.facebook.com/reel/1204923311274762?mibextid=D5vuiz
    https://www.facebook.com/reel/749431317608052?mibextid=lOxBnQ
    https://www.facebook.com/reel/3949724558622318?mibextid=lOxBnQ
    https://www.facebook.com/Trabajoscam/videos/4051291968440430/?mibextid=
    lOxBnQ

    Most of these are in California, where the average wage paid to farm
    field workers is about $17 per hour. A farmer could offer to pay $51
    per hour, or three times the average, and he wouldn't get any white
    American workers who would last a day.


    Exactly.

    Young healthy Americans cannot be
    lured to pick crops despite higher
    wages than most retail outlets pay.

    I honestly don't think I would have done it for a comparable wage back when I was young, hale and hearty. I was never afraid of some hard physical work, and I
    do plenty of it around my house now and I'm in my 70s. But I simply could not have done what those farm workers do for 11-12 hours a day, day after day. I was
    fortunate that I got into far less physically demanding knowledge work for more pay at a young age. The most physically demanding job I ever had was wrangling shopping carts from the parking lot of a large grocery chain, and that was only a couple of times a shift for a few years in my mid to late teens.

    Americans owe those farm workers an enormous and irredeemable debt of gratitude.
    Americans should be lobbying for an amnesty and for hugely more generous immigration quotas going forward.


    But the Trump administration
    think Medicaid patients will do the
    work?

    Insane. Just insane.





    US agriculture secretary says Medicaid
    recipients can replace deported farm workers
    Kuly 9 2025 https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jul/09/trump-agriculture- medicaid-migrant-farm-workers



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  • From pothead@21:1/5 to Mitchell Holman on Mon Jul 14 20:43:46 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.society.liberalism, alt.atheism
    XPost: alt.fun, alt.politics.democrats.d

    On 2025-07-14, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
    Gary Roselles <Yeowrghis@Jurgis.net> wrote in news:WWWcQ.1309052$zOOb.451861@fx16.iad:

    On 7/13/2025 11:09 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
    Dark Brandon <DB@cocks.net> wrote in
    news:1050pon$2s4pp$1@dont-email.me:

    On 7/12/2025 7:44 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
    "Announcements of high-profile layoffs
    and concerns about the impact of
    artificial intelligence (AI) obscure
    America's continuing need for additional
    workers at the top and bottom of the
    skill distribution.

    "Workers" can't seem to flee overpopulated countries like Mexico,
    India,
    Egypt, Nigeria and Pakistan fast enough. Europe, Australia, and the
    United States can't seem to stop the flood of "workers" looking to
    live and work in relatively lower population countries. If one
    visits
    India,
    Egypt, or even Hong Kong it's literally a breath of fresh air to
    enjoy
    a
    visit to Wyoming, Idaho, New Mexico or Hawaii where there's open
    space, wild lands, quiet places, dark skies at night, and plenty of
    water and clean air.

    In the 1960s, when the Census Bureau put the population of the
    United States at around 170 million, the standard of living was the
    highest in the world and the "workers" were over 90 percent native
    born. There
    was
    a movement for Zero Population Growth and the Baby Boomers were all
    in on keeping states like Colorado and Oregon from becoming
    overcrowded like New York and California were even then.

    In my lifetime, I've seen nothing positive from bringing "workers"
    to any of the states I have visited or called home. We didn't
    formerly have to "press one for English" and air pollution had been
    practically eliminated by putting catalytic converters on cars. One
    could find places to hike or go camping close to most urban areas
    and enjoy quiet and solitude.


    Some of us remember the xenophobic rantss
    against the Vietnamese refugees Ford brought to
    America. Five years later the communities they
    would put in discovered they were hard working
    people whose shops benefited the towns. They
    taught their children English in a hurry and
    they were soon winning scholarships and science
    awards.



    I call bullshit on "studies" by biased academics, NGO's and
    Kamalatards who promise paradise if "we" just bring in millions of
    Third World "migrants" to the U.S.. It will only lead to our cities
    looking like Calcutta and Mexico City and more and more restrictions
    on water, personal freedom, and even the status of being called an
    American.


    America has always needed immigrants to
    do the tough jobs Americas won't touch. Irish
    miners, German farmers, Chinese "coolies",
    Mexican braceros, negro slaves. Do you really
    then Gen X Americans are going to put down
    their Playstations to go work in the fields
    and gut chickens and work in hotel laundries?

    We NEED immigrants.

    I've collected a dozen or so videos ("reels") of farm workers
    harvesting crops:

    https://www.facebook.com/reel/1955454078556284?mibextid=lOxBnQ
    https://www.facebook.com/reel/1382069349656907?mibextid=D5vuiz
    https://www.facebook.com/reel/1365216284551261?mibextid=lOxBnQ
    https://www.facebook.com/559MarceVazquez/videos/712690044540940/?mibext
    id=lOxBnQ
    https://www.facebook.com/reel/701296636226269?mibextid=lOxBnQ
    https://www.facebook.com/reel/1884530212292476?mibextid=lOxBnQ
    https://www.facebook.com/reel/1907764933329698?mibextid=lOxBnQ
    https://www.facebook.com/reel/1218883570014825?mibextid=D5vuiz
    https://www.facebook.com/reel/738483365284253?mibextid=lOxBnQ
    https://www.facebook.com/reel/1204923311274762?mibextid=D5vuiz
    https://www.facebook.com/reel/749431317608052?mibextid=lOxBnQ
    https://www.facebook.com/reel/3949724558622318?mibextid=lOxBnQ
    https://www.facebook.com/Trabajoscam/videos/4051291968440430/?mibextid=
    lOxBnQ

    Most of these are in California, where the average wage paid to farm
    field workers is about $17 per hour. A farmer could offer to pay $51
    per hour, or three times the average, and he wouldn't get any white
    American workers who would last a day.


    Exactly.

    Young healthy Americans cannot be
    lured to pick crops despite higher
    wages than most retail outlets pay.

    But the Trump administration
    think Medicaid patients will do the
    work?

    Insane. Just insane.





    US agriculture secretary says Medicaid
    recipients can replace deported farm workers
    Kuly 9 2025 https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jul/09/trump-agriculture- medicaid-migrant-farm-workers


    Weeding out the fraud in Medicare/Medicaid is the primary goal. Especially those
    who make claims from multiple states.

    Able bodied people on public assistance should be independently evaluated in order to cut down on the Dr. Pill aspect and if they can work, they should.
    And 80 hours per month, I think, is nothing.
    When it comes down to eating and working vs starving and not being on the government
    payroll it will get intersting.

    It never ceases to amaze me how you libbys always seem to support the criminals.
    Example: Mayor Bass (LA) is now offering illegal migrants money because they are afraid to
    go to work and earn it.

    Gee, what about the victims of the LA fires?
    What are they getting?

    You liberals are misguided scum.



    --
    pothead

    36- George Graves: "Jason. You have started an argument with
    the *Snit (AKA Michael Glasser)*, this should not be done. He
    will drive you crazy with his twisted logic, his deep-rooted
    need to be ALWAYS right at any cost. He will move goalposts,
    set up strawmen, and bore you into submission with his endless
    pedanticism. The only way to engage him is to hit and run. NEVER
    engage him, it's a futile, empty procedure that will only anger
    you and feed him. Take my advice and STAY AWAY!" 27 Oct 2004 <https://web.archive.org/web/20190529043314/http://cosmicpenguin.com/snitlist.html>

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  • From Attila@21:1/5 to 1053q62$3jq70$2@dont-email.me on Fri Jul 18 10:07:30 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.society.liberalism, alt.atheism
    XPost: alt.fun, alt.politics.democrats.d

    On Mon, 14 Jul 2025 20:43:46 -0000 (UTC), pothead
    <pothead@snakebite.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <1053q62$3jq70$2@dont-email.me> wrote:


    Weeding out the fraud in Medicare/Medicaid is the primary goal. Especially those
    who make claims from multiple states.

    And all illegals.

    --


    Every person in the US is here either
    legally or illegally. If they are here
    illegally they should be identified and
    deported as soon as possible without
    exception.

    Deport them all.

    All politicians are trained to lie
    and make those lies sound like
    the truth. They start with the biggest
    lie of all: Politicians are public
    servants.

    The Dims have an appropriate party
    symbol: A jackass.

    Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
    and abhorrent.
    Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

    I support:

    A Constitional Amendment establishing
    the Freedom of Choice.

    The elimination of public expression,
    display or support of religion or
    religious positions.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Attila@21:1/5 to mnadQ.1073227$9SBb.115391@fx18.iad on Fri Jul 18 10:06:28 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.society.liberalism, alt.atheism
    XPost: alt.fun, alt.politics.democrats.d

    On Mon, 14 Jul 2025 09:37:37 -0700, Gary Roselles
    <Yeowrghis@Jurgis.net> in alt.atheism with message-id <mnadQ.1073227$9SBb.115391@fx18.iad> wrote:

    Americans owe those farm workers an enormous and irredeemable debt of gratitude.
    Americans should be lobbying for an amnesty and for hugely more generous >immigration quotas going forward.

    No amnesty for anyone. Change the immigration laws if more
    farm workers are needed.

    Every person in the US is here either legally or illegally.
    If they are here illegally they should be identified and
    deported as soon as possible without exception.

    --


    Every person in the US is here either
    legally or illegally. If they are here
    illegally they should be identified and
    deported as soon as possible without
    exception.

    Deport them all.

    All politicians are trained to lie
    and make those lies sound like
    the truth. They start with the biggest
    lie of all: Politicians are public
    servants.

    The Dims have an appropriate party
    symbol: A jackass.

    Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
    and abhorrent.
    Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

    I support:

    A Constitional Amendment establishing
    the Freedom of Choice.

    The elimination of public expression,
    display or support of religion or
    religious positions.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Gary Roselles@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 18 08:17:21 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.society.liberalism, alt.atheism
    XPost: alt.fun, alt.politics.democrats.d

    On 7/18/2025 7:06 AM, Attila the Nazi rapist liar lied:

    On Mon, 14 Jul 2025 09:37:37 -0700, Gary Roselles
    <Yeowrghis@Jurgis.net> in alt.atheism with message-id <mnadQ.1073227$9SBb.115391@fx18.iad> wrote:

    Americans owe those farm workers an enormous and irredeemable debt of gratitude.
    Americans should be lobbying for an amnesty and for hugely more generous
    immigration quotas going forward.

    No amnesty for anyone. Change the immigration laws if more
    farm workers are needed.

    Change them now and grant amnesty to those already here.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Attila@21:1/5 to 5AteQ.568919$z995.459164@fx48.iad on Fri Jul 18 16:36:36 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.society.liberalism, alt.atheism
    XPost: alt.fun, alt.politics.democrats.d

    On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 08:17:21 -0700, Gary Roselles
    <Yeowrghis@Jurgis.net> in alt.atheism with message-id <5AteQ.568919$z995.459164@fx48.iad> wrote:

    On 7/18/2025 7:06 AM, Attila the Nazi rapist liar lied:

    On Mon, 14 Jul 2025 09:37:37 -0700, Gary Roselles
    <Yeowrghis@Jurgis.net> in alt.atheism with message-id
    <mnadQ.1073227$9SBb.115391@fx18.iad> wrote:

    Americans owe those farm workers an enormous and irredeemable debt of gratitude.
    Americans should be lobbying for an amnesty and for hugely more generous >>> immigration quotas going forward.

    No amnesty for anyone. Change the immigration laws if more
    farm workers are needed.

    Change them now and grant amnesty to those already here.

    Don't reward anyone for illegal activity. Deport them.

    --


    Every person in the US is here either
    legally or illegally. If they are here
    illegally they should be identified and
    deported as soon as possible without
    exception.

    Deport them all.

    All politicians are trained to lie
    and make those lies sound like
    the truth. They start with the biggest
    lie of all: Politicians are public
    servants.

    The Dims have an appropriate party
    symbol: A jackass.

    Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
    and abhorrent.
    Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

    I support:

    A Constitional Amendment establishing
    the Freedom of Choice.

    The elimination of public expression,
    display or support of religion or
    religious positions.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Dutch@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 19 07:18:10 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.society.liberalism, alt.atheism
    XPost: or.politics, alt.politics.democrats.d

    On 18 Jul 2025, Attila <prochoice@here.now> posted some news:c8lk7k9182ohvk17uj2874j4um34utikmf@4ax.com:

    On Mon, 14 Jul 2025 20:43:46 -0000 (UTC), pothead
    <pothead@snakebite.com> in alt.atheism with message-id ><1053q62$3jq70$2@dont-email.me> wrote:


    Weeding out the fraud in Medicare/Medicaid is the primary goal.
    Especially those who make claims from multiple states.

    It took Medicare three years to detect a stolen identity fraud before they cancelled the benefits for both. The American had to take papers and
    prove their identity.

    And all illegals.

    Illegals are in the USA because the left completely refused to enforce the
    law.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Dutch on Sat Jul 19 15:17:56 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.society.liberalism, alt.atheism
    XPost: or.politics, alt.politics.democrats.d

    Dutch <no@email.com> wrote in news:20250719.071810.7c99aaa7@msgid.frell.theremailer.net:

    On 18 Jul 2025, Attila <prochoice@here.now> posted some news:c8lk7k9182ohvk17uj2874j4um34utikmf@4ax.com:

    On Mon, 14 Jul 2025 20:43:46 -0000 (UTC), pothead
    <pothead@snakebite.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >><1053q62$3jq70$2@dont-email.me> wrote:


    Weeding out the fraud in Medicare/Medicaid is the primary goal. >>>Especially those who make claims from multiple states.

    It took Medicare three years to detect a stolen identity fraud before
    they cancelled the benefits for both. The American had to take papers
    and prove their identity.

    And all illegals.

    Illegals are in the USA because the left completely refused to enforce
    the law.

    it's not the little people that are defrauding Medicaid - it's the doctors
    that overbill the government.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From J Carlson@21:1/5 to Baxter on Sat Jul 19 09:07:11 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.society.liberalism, alt.atheism
    XPost: or.politics, alt.politics.democrats.d

    On 7/19/2025 8:17 AM, Baxter wrote:
    Dutch <no@email.com> wrote in news:20250719.071810.7c99aaa7@msgid.frell.theremailer.net:

    On 18 Jul 2025, Attila <prochoice@here.now> posted some
    news:c8lk7k9182ohvk17uj2874j4um34utikmf@4ax.com:

    On Mon, 14 Jul 2025 20:43:46 -0000 (UTC), pothead
    <pothead@snakebite.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
    <1053q62$3jq70$2@dont-email.me> wrote:


    Weeding out the fraud in Medicare/Medicaid is the primary goal.
    Especially those who make claims from multiple states.

    It took Medicare three years to detect a stolen identity fraud before
    they cancelled the benefits for both. The American had to take papers
    and prove their identity.

    And all illegals.

    Illegals are in the USA because the left completely refused to enforce
    the law.

    it's not the little people that [sic] are defrauding Medicaid - it's the doctors
    that [sic] overbill the government.

    *who*, Bugster, not "that." The correct relative pronoun when talking about people is *who*, not "that."

    You illiterate fucking worm.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From NoBody@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 19 09:17:55 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.society.liberalism, alt.atheism
    XPost: or.politics, alt.politics.democrats.d

    Blowjob is too stupid to realize his many glaring tells. What a fucking idiot!

    On 7/18/2025 10:18 PM, Chadlee "cuck" Blowjob, 350lb 5'1" morbidly obese convicted child molester and lying fat fuck, lied:

    On 18 Jul 2025, Attila the Nazi shitbag liar posted some lies:c8lk7k9182ohvk17uj2874j4um34utikmf@4ax.com:

    On Mon, 14 Jul 2025 20:43:46 -0000 (UTC), pothead
    <pothead@snakebite.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
    <1053q62$3jq70$2@dont-email.me> wrote:


    Weeding out the fraud in Medicare/Medicaid is the primary goal.
    Especially those who make claims from multiple states.

    It took Medicare three years to detect a stolen identity fraud before they cancelled the benefits for both.

    That's a lie, Blowjob, you stupid fucking *fat* cocksucker and draft dodger and Social Security dole scrounger.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Attila@21:1/5 to 105gcv4$2ql7r$4@dont-email.me on Sat Jul 19 15:27:30 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.society.liberalism, alt.atheism
    XPost: or.politics, alt.politics.democrats.d

    On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 15:17:56 -0000 (UTC), Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <105gcv4$2ql7r$4@dont-email.me> wrote:

    Dutch <no@email.com> wrote in >news:20250719.071810.7c99aaa7@msgid.frell.theremailer.net:

    On 18 Jul 2025, Attila <prochoice@here.now> posted some
    news:c8lk7k9182ohvk17uj2874j4um34utikmf@4ax.com:

    On Mon, 14 Jul 2025 20:43:46 -0000 (UTC), pothead >>><pothead@snakebite.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >>><1053q62$3jq70$2@dont-email.me> wrote:


    Weeding out the fraud in Medicare/Medicaid is the primary goal. >>>>Especially those who make claims from multiple states.

    It took Medicare three years to detect a stolen identity fraud before
    they cancelled the benefits for both. The American had to take papers
    and prove their identity.

    And all illegals.

    Illegals are in the USA because the left completely refused to enforce
    the law.

    it's not the little people that are defrauding Medicaid - it's the doctors >that overbill the government.

    They are limited to a schedule. Remove the illegals and
    frauds and we can save a lot of money.

    --


    Every person in the US is here either
    legally or illegally. If they are here
    illegally they should be identified and
    deported as soon as possible without
    exception.

    Deport them all.

    All politicians are trained to lie
    and make those lies sound like
    the truth. They start with the biggest
    lie of all: Politicians are public
    servants.

    The Dims have an appropriate party
    symbol: A jackass.

    Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
    and abhorrent.
    Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

    I support:

    A Constitional Amendment establishing
    the Freedom of Choice.

    The elimination of public expression,
    display or support of religion or
    religious positions.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Attila on Sat Jul 19 16:24:08 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.society.liberalism, alt.atheism
    XPost: or.politics, alt.politics.democrats.d

    On 7/19/25 15:27, Attila wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 15:17:56 -0000 (UTC), Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <105gcv4$2ql7r$4@dont-email.me> wrote:

    Dutch <no@email.com> wrote in
    news:20250719.071810.7c99aaa7@msgid.frell.theremailer.net:

    On 18 Jul 2025, Attila <prochoice@here.now> posted some
    news:c8lk7k9182ohvk17uj2874j4um34utikmf@4ax.com:

    On Mon, 14 Jul 2025 20:43:46 -0000 (UTC), pothead
    <pothead@snakebite.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
    <1053q62$3jq70$2@dont-email.me> wrote:


    Weeding out the fraud in Medicare/Medicaid is the primary goal.
    Especially those who make claims from multiple states.

    It took Medicare three years to detect a stolen identity fraud before
    they cancelled the benefits for both. The American had to take papers
    and prove their identity.

    And all illegals.

    Illegals are in the USA because the left completely refused to enforce
    the law.

    it's not the little people that are defrauding Medicaid - it's the doctors >> that overbill the government.

    They are limited to a schedule. Remove the illegals and
    frauds and we can save a lot of money.

    The illegals are small fry. Keep in mind that no patient ever gets a
    check from Medicare: it goes to the medical provider (hospital).

    The fraud...follow the money:

    "Rick Scott, a Republican Senator from Florida, has a history with
    Medicare fraud. He co-founded Columbia Hospital Corporation, which later
    became Columbia/HCA, the largest for-profit healthcare company in the
    U.S. During his time as CEO, the company was involved in defrauding
    Medicare, Medicaid, and other federal programs, resulting in a $1.7
    billion settlement and 14 felony convictions against the company. Scott
    was asked to resign as CEO in 1997."


    -hh

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 19 23:11:40 2025
    XPost: alt.atheism, alt.fun, alt.politics.democrats.d
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    Seig Heil!

    Make America Hitler Again!!!


    O/ O/ O/

    www.goyimtv.com


    Heil Hitler!!




    On Jul 19, 2025 at 6:37:31 PM EDT, "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 08:17:21 -0700, Gary Roselles
    <Yeowrghis@Jurgis.net> wrote:

    On 7/18/2025 7:06 AM, Attila the Nazi rapist liar lied:

    On Mon, 14 Jul 2025 09:37:37 -0700, Gary Roselles
    <Yeowrghis@Jurgis.net> in alt.atheism with message-id
    <mnadQ.1073227$9SBb.115391@fx18.iad> wrote:

    Americans owe those farm workers an enormous and irredeemable debt of
    gratitude.
    Americans should be lobbying for an amnesty and for hugely more generous >>>> immigration quotas going forward.

    No amnesty for anyone. Change the immigration laws if more
    farm workers are needed.

    Change them now and grant amnesty to those already here.

    That's what Reagan did. Of course, Ronald Reagan couldn't get
    nominated for dog catcher in today's GOP.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From chine.bleu@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Sat Jul 19 20:29:31 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.society.liberalism, alt.atheism
    XPost: alt.fun, alt.politics.democrats.d

    Governor Swill wrote:
    No amnesty for anyone. Change the immigration laws if more
    farm workers are needed.
    Do you think Republicans will go along with that?


    Republicans were fine with things as they were. Republican farmers got
    their immigrant workers who went back to Mexico so Republican
    politicians could play the bigot to their other constituents the
    racists. Now they screwed up and let loose a professional racist who is
    too stupid to keep the two parties balanced. TACO believed the bigotry
    crap that blacks are all on welfare and he could force them return to
    slavery. Now he is trying to figure out how to dress up enslaving
    immigrants.

    Hate makes you stupid.

    --
    Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. @
    Thank goodness my iron lung is working again! /|\
    The Church of the Holey Apple .signature 3.2 / \
    of Discordian Mysteries. This post insults Islam. Mohamed

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 20 03:32:58 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.society.liberalism, or.politics
    XPost: alt.politics.democrats.d

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> wrote
    in
    news:mt3o7k5inf8cl7jv62l23uq8t47ucl0tu0@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    it's not the little people that are defrauding Medicaid - it's the
    doctors that overbill the government.

    Wrong, as you almost always are.

    https://gemini.google.com/app/94a6ed09e1873e4a

    It's challenging to provide a precise, continuous number of doctors
    convicted of Medicare fraud, as these figures are typically reported
    in large-scale enforcement actions rather than as a running tally.
    However, the Department of Justice frequently announces "National
    Health Care Fraud Takedowns" which provide snapshots of these
    convictions. For example, in the 2025 National Health Care Fraud
    Takedown, criminal charges were brought against 324 defendants, and
    among these, 96 were identified as doctors, nurse practitioners,
    pharmacists, and other licensed medical professionals.


    Doesn't know differece between Medicaid and Medicare, then goes off on
    tangent instead of providing a reference to patients defrauding Medicaid.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 20 15:46:41 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.society.liberalism, or.politics
    XPost: alt.politics.democrats.d

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> wrote
    in
    news:cegp7ktdnfkvpo54njm4ui4f2qnm9l7j7b@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
    wrote
    in
    news:mt3o7k5inf8cl7jv62l23uq8t47ucl0tu0
    @Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck
    ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    it's not the little people that are defrauding Medicaid - it's the >>>>doctors that overbill the government.

    Wrong, as you almost always are.

    https://gemini.google.com/app/94a6ed09e1873e4a

    It's challenging to provide a precise, continuous number of doctors
    convicted of Medicare fraud, as these figures are typically reported
    in large-scale enforcement actions rather than as a running tally.
    However, the Department of Justice frequently announces "National
    Health Care Fraud Takedowns" which provide snapshots of these
    convictions. For example, in the 2025 National Health Care Fraud
    Takedown, criminal charges were brought against 324 defendants, and
    among these, 96 were identified as doctors, nurse practitioners,
    pharmacists, and other licensed medical professionals.


    Doesn't know differece between Medicaid and Medicare, then goes off on >>tangent instead of providing a reference to patients defrauding
    Medicaid.

    Note that I provided typical HEALTH CARE FRAUD statistics, showing
    more patients abuse the system than doctors. The statistics don't
    limit themselves to Medicare or Medicaid. Baxter is too fucking stupid
    to understand this.

    Baxter provides no evidence to support his claim at all.

    Score: Klaus - 1
    Baxter - 0

    Actually, they don't investigate patients for Medicade fraud.

    And you actually haven't supported your claim either - no, I'm not going
    to go to a AI chatbot.
    ==========
    Medicaid Fraud

    MFCUs conduct statewide investigations and prosecutions of health care providers who defraud the Medicaid program.

    MFCUs investigate all types of health care providers from solo
    practitioners to multi-national corporations. MFCUs have prosecuted in-
    home care and individual providers such as physicians, dentists, and
    mental health professionals as well as numerous segments of the health
    care industry, such as:

    Hospitals
    Nursing homes
    Home health care agencies
    Medical transportation companies
    Pharmacies
    Laboratories
    Durable medical equipment companies
    Pharmaceutical manufacturers

    Although Medicaid recipients also commit Medicaid fraud, federal law
    prohibits MFCUs from investigating and prosecuting Medicaid recipients
    unless they are conspiring with a Medicaid provider.

    While health care fraud can take many forms, the following are common fraudulent Medicaid provider schemes:

    https://www.naag.org/about-naag/namfcu/about-the-medicaid-fraud-control-
    units/
    ======

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 20 17:27:00 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.society.liberalism, or.politics
    XPost: alt.politics.democrats.d

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> wrote
    in
    news:a64q7kdigl186bglaicdlq8bj4h7nthpde@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
    wrote
    in

    news:cegp7ktdnfkvpo54njm4ui4f2qnm9l7j7b@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck >>ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
    wrote
    in
    news:mt3o7k5inf8cl7jv62l23uq8t47ucl0tu0 >>@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck
    ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    it's not the little people that are defrauding Medicaid - it's the >>>>>>doctors that overbill the government.

    Wrong, as you almost always are.

    https://gemini.google.com/app/94a6ed09e1873e4a

    It's challenging to provide a precise, continuous number of doctors
    convicted of Medicare fraud, as these figures are typically
    reported
    in large-scale enforcement actions rather than as a running tally.
    However, the Department of Justice frequently announces "National
    Health Care Fraud Takedowns" which provide snapshots of these
    convictions. For example, in the 2025 National Health Care Fraud
    Takedown, criminal charges were brought against 324 defendants, and
    among these, 96 were identified as doctors, nurse practitioners,
    pharmacists, and other licensed medical professionals.


    Doesn't know differece between Medicaid and Medicare, then goes off
    on
    tangent instead of providing a reference to patients defrauding
    Medicaid.

    Note that I provided typical HEALTH CARE FRAUD statistics, showing
    more patients abuse the system than doctors. The statistics don't
    limit themselves to Medicare or Medicaid. Baxter is too fucking
    stupid
    to understand this.

    Baxter provides no evidence to support his claim at all.

    Score: Klaus - 1
    Baxter - 0

    Actually, they don't investigate patients for Medicade fraud.

    Cite

    I DID! You snipped.

    What part of: "Although Medicaid recipients also commit Medicaid fraud,
    federal law prohibits MFCUs from investigating and prosecuting Medicaid recipients unless they are conspiring with a Medicaid provider." did you
    not understand.




    And you actually haven't supported your claim either - no, I'm not
    going
    to go to a AI chatbot.

    Yes, I have. You won't because you can't back up your bullshit with
    facts.

    You have a vague reference but no actual detail. And you have nothing to
    show that x number of patients commited Medicaid fraud nor what that
    fraud consisted of,

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 20 19:41:10 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.society.liberalism, or.politics
    XPost: alt.politics.democrats.d

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> wrote
    in news:m6bq7k1f7cnpv6sbgfs2is4j1v3v044s08 @Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksucking.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
    wrote
    in

    news:a64q7kdigl186bglaicdlq8bj4h7nthpde@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck >>ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
    wrote
    in


    news:cegp7ktdnfkvpo54njm4ui4f2qnm9l7j7b@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck >>>>ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> >>>>wrote
    in
    news:mt3o7k5inf8cl7jv62l23uq8t47ucl0tu0 >>>>@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck
    ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    it's not the little people that are defrauding Medicaid - it's
    the
    doctors that overbill the government.

    Wrong, as you almost always are.

    https://gemini.google.com/app/94a6ed09e1873e4a

    It's challenging to provide a precise, continuous number of
    doctors
    convicted of Medicare fraud, as these figures are typically
    reported
    in large-scale enforcement actions rather than as a running
    tally.
    However, the Department of Justice frequently announces "National >>>>>>> Health Care Fraud Takedowns" which provide snapshots of these
    convictions. For example, in the 2025 National Health Care Fraud >>>>>>> Takedown, criminal charges were brought against 324 defendants,
    and
    among these, 96 were identified as doctors, nurse practitioners, >>>>>>> pharmacists, and other licensed medical professionals.


    Doesn't know differece between Medicaid and Medicare, then goes off
    on
    tangent instead of providing a reference to patients defrauding >>>>Medicaid.

    Note that I provided typical HEALTH CARE FRAUD statistics, showing
    more patients abuse the system than doctors. The statistics don't
    limit themselves to Medicare or Medicaid. Baxter is too fucking
    stupid
    to understand this.

    Baxter provides no evidence to support his claim at all.

    Score: Klaus - 1
    Baxter - 0

    Actually, they don't investigate patients for Medicade fraud.

    Cite

    I DID! You snipped.

    What part of: "Although Medicaid recipients also commit Medicaid fraud, >>federal law prohibits MFCUs from investigating and prosecuting Medicaid >>recipients unless they are conspiring with a Medicaid provider." did
    you
    not understand.

    Cite the federal law.


    Now KKKlaun moves the goalposts

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 20 20:23:41 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.society.liberalism, or.politics
    XPost: alt.politics.democrats.d

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> wrote
    in
    news:gjhq7k58n61q62b1ngem9fu4rlf1jf0eqe@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
    wrote in news:m6bq7k1f7cnpv6sbgfs2is4j1v3v044s08 >>@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksucking.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
    wrote
    in

    news:a64q7kdigl186bglaicdlq8bj4h7nthpde@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksu
    ck
    ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> >>>>wrote
    in


    news:cegp7ktdnfkvpo54njm4ui4f2qnm9l7j7b@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksu
    ck
    ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude >>>>>>>><klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
    wrote
    in
    news:mt3o7k5inf8cl7jv62l23uq8t47ucl0tu0 >>>>>>@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck
    ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    it's not the little people that are defrauding Medicaid - it's
    the
    doctors that overbill the government.

    Wrong, as you almost always are.

    https://gemini.google.com/app/94a6ed09e1873e4a

    It's challenging to provide a precise, continuous number of
    doctors
    convicted of Medicare fraud, as these figures are typically >>>>reported
    in large-scale enforcement actions rather than as a running
    tally.
    However, the Department of Justice frequently announces
    "National Health Care Fraud Takedowns" which provide snapshots >>>>>>>>> of these convictions. For example, in the 2025 National Health >>>>>>>>> Care Fraud Takedown, criminal charges were brought against 324 >>>>>>>>> defendants,
    and
    among these, 96 were identified as doctors, nurse
    practitioners, pharmacists, and other licensed medical
    professionals.


    Doesn't know differece between Medicaid and Medicare, then goes >>>>>>>>off
    on
    tangent instead of providing a reference to patients defrauding >>>>>>Medicaid.

    Note that I provided typical HEALTH CARE FRAUD statistics,
    showing more patients abuse the system than doctors. The
    statistics don't limit themselves to Medicare or Medicaid.
    Baxter is too fucking
    stupid
    to understand this.

    Baxter provides no evidence to support his claim at all.

    Score: Klaus - 1
    Baxter - 0

    Actually, they don't investigate patients for Medicade fraud.

    Cite

    I DID! You snipped.

    What part of: "Although Medicaid recipients also commit Medicaid
    fraud, federal law prohibits MFCUs from investigating and
    prosecuting Medicaid recipients unless they are conspiring with a >>>>Medicaid provider." did
    you
    not understand.

    Cite the federal law.


    Now KKKlaun moves the goalposts

    Baxter now admits he can't back up his bullshit.

    Furthermore, he can't back up his claim that more doctors than
    patients defraud Medicaid.

    Baxter is too fucking stupid to understand that more than doctors and patients are involved with Medicaid.

    https://13wham.com/news/nation-world/former-ceo-agrees-to-275m-settleme nt-in-medicaid-fraud-case-south-carolina-colorado-georgia-wciv-news-7-1 7-2025

    Finally, a defendant based in Pakistan and the United Arab Emirates
    who owned a billing company allegedly orchestrated a scheme to prey
    upon vulnerable individuals in need of addiction treatment by
    conspiring with treatment center owners to fraudulently bill Arizona
    Medicaid approximately $650 million for substance abuse treatment
    services. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/national-health-care-fraud-takedown-resu lts-324-defendants-charged-connection-over-146#:~:text=Finally%2C%20a%2 0defendant%20based%20in,approximately%20%24650%20million%20for%20substa
    nce

    So, as usual, Baxter's claim that

    it's not the little people that are defrauding Medicaid - it's
    the doctors that overbill the government.

    is bullshit that he can't back up with facts.


    Is to laugh! KKKlaun says it's the patients defrauding Medicaid, then
    posts a reference that shows it's the provider/billing company and not
    the patients.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 20 22:28:45 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.society.liberalism, or.politics
    XPost: alt.politics.democrats.d

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> wrote
    in
    news:9dkq7khhhdvj4d9oquj8bstefct86or19v@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
    wrote
    in

    news:gjhq7k58n61q62b1ngem9fu4rlf1jf0eqe@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck >>ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> >>>>wrote in news:m6bq7k1f7cnpv6sbgfs2is4j1v3v044s08 >>>>@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksucking.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> >>>>wrote
    in


    news:a64q7kdigl186bglaicdlq8bj4h7nthpde@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksu
    ck
    ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.
    @gmail.com>
    wrote
    in



    news:cegp7ktdnfkvpo54njm4ui4f2qnm9l7j7b@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksu
    ck
    ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude >>>>>>>>>><klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
    wrote
    in
    news:mt3o7k5inf8cl7jv62l23uq8t47ucl0tu0 >>>>>>>>@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck
    ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    it's not the little people that are defrauding Medicaid -
    it's
    the
    doctors that overbill the government.

    Wrong, as you almost always are.

    https://gemini.google.com/app/94a6ed09e1873e4a

    It's challenging to provide a precise, continuous number of >>>>doctors
    convicted of Medicare fraud, as these figures are typically >>>>>>reported
    in large-scale enforcement actions rather than as a running >>>>tally.
    However, the Department of Justice frequently announces
    "National Health Care Fraud Takedowns" which provide
    snapshots
    of these convictions. For example, in the 2025 National
    Health
    Care Fraud Takedown, criminal charges were brought against
    324
    defendants,
    and
    among these, 96 were identified as doctors, nurse
    practitioners, pharmacists, and other licensed medical
    professionals.


    Doesn't know differece between Medicaid and Medicare, then goes >>>>>>>>>>off
    on
    tangent instead of providing a reference to patients defrauding >>>>>>>>Medicaid.

    Note that I provided typical HEALTH CARE FRAUD statistics,
    showing more patients abuse the system than doctors. The
    statistics don't limit themselves to Medicare or Medicaid.
    Baxter is too fucking
    stupid
    to understand this.

    Baxter provides no evidence to support his claim at all.

    Score: Klaus - 1
    Baxter - 0

    Actually, they don't investigate patients for Medicade fraud.

    Cite

    I DID! You snipped.

    What part of: "Although Medicaid recipients also commit Medicaid >>>>>>fraud, federal law prohibits MFCUs from investigating and >>>>>>prosecuting Medicaid recipients unless they are conspiring with a >>>>>>Medicaid provider." did
    you
    not understand.

    Cite the federal law.


    Now KKKlaun moves the goalposts

    Baxter now admits he can't back up his bullshit.

    Furthermore, he can't back up his claim that more doctors than
    patients defraud Medicaid.

    Baxter is too fucking stupid to understand that more than doctors and
    patients are involved with Medicaid.

    https://13wham.com/news/nation-world/former-ceo-agrees-to-275m-
    settleme
    nt-in-medicaid-fraud-case-south-carolina-colorado-georgia-wciv-news-
    7-1
    7-2025

    Finally, a defendant based in Pakistan and the United Arab Emirates
    who owned a billing company allegedly orchestrated a scheme to prey
    upon vulnerable individuals in need of addiction treatment by
    conspiring with treatment center owners to fraudulently bill Arizona
    Medicaid approximately $650 million for substance abuse treatment
    services.
    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/national-health-care-fraud-takedown-
    resu
    lts-324-defendants-charged-connection-over-146#:~:text=Finally%2C%
    20a%2
    0defendant%20based%20in,approximately%20%24650%20million%20for%
    20substa
    nce

    So, as usual, Baxter's claim that

    it's not the little people that are defrauding Medicaid - it's
    the doctors that overbill the government.

    is bullshit that he can't back up with facts.


    Is to laugh! KKKlaun says it's the patients defrauding Medicaid, then >>posts a reference that shows it's the provider/billing company and not
    the patients.

    Baxter tries lying his way out of the mess he's gotten himself into.

    Klaus never said it's the patients defrauding Medicaid.

    You disputed my statement "it's not the little people [patients] that are defrauding Medicaid"

    Klaus said Baxter was lying when he claimed it was mostly doctors,
    which of course he couldn't back up with any facts at all.

    And you've not shown otherwise - note that the Billing people are part of
    the "Doctors"

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 21 15:03:52 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.society.liberalism, or.politics
    XPost: alt.politics.democrats.d

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> wrote
    in
    news:6j6s7k1i3lknacjap4denldq9imfm4fi7v@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    You disputed my statement "it's not the little people [patients] that
    are defrauding Medicaid"

    Doh! I'm functionally illiterate!


    finally you understand.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 21 21:08:34 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.society.liberalism, or.politics
    XPost: alt.politics.democrats.d

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> wrote
    in
    news:l2ps7k57sfggjablo380omlm2vp29g7vet@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    You disputed my statement "it's not the little people [patients]
    that are defrauding Medicaid"

    AH! Now I see your problem. You're functionally illiteratDoh! I'm functionally illiterate!

    finally you understand.

    Combined with my stupidity, that's a bad combination, isn't it?

    And also you're a dung beetle

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mike Shepherd@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 21 22:06:21 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.society.liberalism, or.politics
    XPost: sac.politics, alt.politics.democrats.d

    On 20 Jul 2025, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> posted some news:105jgol$3h0at$1@dont-email.me:

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
    wrote in news:m6bq7k1f7cnpv6sbgfs2is4j1v3v044s08 @Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksucking.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
    wrote
    in

    news:a64q7kdigl186bglaicdlq8bj4h7nthpde@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksu
    ck
    ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> >>>wrote
    in


    news:cegp7ktdnfkvpo54njm4ui4f2qnm9l7j7b@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksu
    ck
    ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude >>>>>>><klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
    wrote
    in
    news:mt3o7k5inf8cl7jv62l23uq8t47ucl0tu0 >>>>>@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck
    ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    it's not the little people that are defrauding Medicaid - it's
    the
    doctors that overbill the government.

    Wrong, as you almost always are.

    https://gemini.google.com/app/94a6ed09e1873e4a

    It's challenging to provide a precise, continuous number of
    doctors
    convicted of Medicare fraud, as these figures are typically >>>reported
    in large-scale enforcement actions rather than as a running
    tally.
    However, the Department of Justice frequently announces
    "National Health Care Fraud Takedowns" which provide snapshots >>>>>>>> of these convictions. For example, in the 2025 National Health >>>>>>>> Care Fraud Takedown, criminal charges were brought against 324 >>>>>>>> defendants,
    and
    among these, 96 were identified as doctors, nurse
    practitioners, pharmacists, and other licensed medical
    professionals.


    Doesn't know differece between Medicaid and Medicare, then goes >>>>>>>off
    on
    tangent instead of providing a reference to patients defrauding >>>>>Medicaid.

    Note that I provided typical HEALTH CARE FRAUD statistics,
    showing more patients abuse the system than doctors. The
    statistics don't limit themselves to Medicare or Medicaid. Baxter
    is too fucking
    stupid
    to understand this.

    Baxter provides no evidence to support his claim at all.

    Score: Klaus - 1
    Baxter - 0

    Actually, they don't investigate patients for Medicade fraud.

    Cite

    I DID! You snipped.

    What part of: "Although Medicaid recipients also commit Medicaid
    fraud, federal law prohibits MFCUs from investigating and prosecuting >>>Medicaid recipients unless they are conspiring with a Medicaid
    provider." did
    you
    not understand.

    Cite the federal law.


    Now KKKlaun moves the goalposts

    The NAAG cite is not an authoritative government source. It's a non-
    profit and somewhat dubious in reputation.

    "About National Association of Attorneys General
    The National Association of Attorneys General (NAAG), a 501(c)(3)
    non-profit, was founded in 1907 as a bipartisan forum for U.S. state and territorial attorneys general. Governed by its members, NAAG receives
    funding through annual dues, civil enforcement actions, and its NAAG
    Mission Foundation. NAAG provides training and research through its
    NAGTRI and standing committees that create policy and manage
    court-ordered funds. NAAG has recently been criticized for alleged
    partisanship and its focus on particular industries, with some attorneys general withdrawing, and has received concerns about the handling of
    settlement funds."

    Letter from Office of the Inspector General, Department of Health and
    Human Services (HHS), dated August 20, 2024, under Joe Biden watch.

    "Section 1903(q)(3) of the Social Security Act (Act), 42 USC §
    396b(q)(3), as implemented by Federal regulations at 42 CFR §
    1007.11(a)(2), provides that a MFCU may investigate and prosecute
    potential fraud involving other Federal health care programs (as defined
    in section 1128B(f)(1) of the Act, 42 USC § 1320a-7b(f)(1)) in addition
    to Medicaid..."

    https://oig.hhs.gov/documents/medicaid-fraud-control-units/10359/MFCU-Pol icy-Transmittal-2024-1.pdf

    From the Code of Federal Regulations pertaining to Medicaid Fraud
    Control Units (MFCUs). Displaying title 42, up to date as of 7/17/2025.
    Title 42 was last amended 6/03/2025.

    1007.7 Prosecutorial authority requirements of Unit.A Unit must be
    organized according to one of the following three options related to a
    Unit's prosecutorial authority:(a) The Unit is in the office of the
    State Attorney General or another department of State government that
    has statewide authority to prosecute individuals for violations of
    criminal laws with respect to fraud and patient or resident abuse or
    neglect in the provision or administration of medical assistance under a
    State plan implementing Title XIX of the Act.(b) If there is no State
    agency with statewide authority and capability for criminal fraud or
    patient or resident abuse or neglect prosecutions, the Unit has
    established formal written procedures ensuring that the Unit refers
    suspected cases of criminal fraud in the State Medicaid program or of
    patient or resident abuse and neglect to the appropriate prosecuting
    authority or authorities, and coordinates with and assists such
    authority or authorities in the prosecution of such cases.(c) The Unit
    has a formal working relationship with the office of the State Attorney General, or another office with statewide prosecutorial authority, and
    has formal written procedures for referring to the State Attorney
    General or other office suspected criminal violations and for effective coordination of the activities of both entities relating to the
    detection, investigation, and prosecution of those violations relating
    to the State Medicaid program. Under this working relationship, the
    office of the State Attorney General, or other office, must agree to
    assume responsibility for prosecuting alleged criminal violations
    referred to it by the Unit. However, if the State Attorney General finds
    that another prosecuting authority has the demonstrated capacity,
    experience, and willingness to prosecute an alleged violation, he or she
    may refer a case to that prosecuting authority, as long as the office of
    the State Attorney General maintains oversight responsibility for the prosecution and for coordination between the Unit and the prosecuting authority.

    https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-42/chapter-V/subchapter-B/part-1007/su bpart-B/section-1007.7

    (d) Where a prosecuting authority other than the Unit is to assume responsibility for the prosecution of a case investigated by the Unit,
    the Unit will ensure that those responsible for the prosecutorial
    decision and the preparation of the case for trial have the fullest
    possible opportunity to participate in the investigation from its
    inception and will provide all necessary assistance to the prosecuting authority throughout all resulting prosecutions.

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  • From Jeffrey VanRensselaer@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 21 15:09:20 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.society.liberalism, or.politics
    XPost: sac.politics, alt.politics.democrats.d

    Blowjob is too stupid to realize his many glaring tells. What a fucking idiot!

    On 7/21/2025 3:06 PM, Chadlee "cuck" Blowjob, 350lb 5'1" morbidly obese convicted child molester and lying fat fuck, lied:
    On 20 Jul 2025, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> posted some news:105jgol$3h0at$1@dont-email.me:

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
    wrote in news:m6bq7k1f7cnpv6sbgfs2is4j1v3v044s08
    @Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksucking.dwarf.com:

    What part of: "Although Medicaid recipients also commit Medicaid
    fraud, federal law prohibits MFCUs from investigating and prosecuting
    Medicaid recipients unless they are conspiring with a Medicaid
    provider." did
    you
    not understand.

    Cite the federal law.


    Now KKKlaun moves the goalposts

    The NAAG cite is not an authoritative government source. It's a non-
    profit and somewhat dubious in reputation.

    No, Blowjob, you just don't like them because they show you to be a fool, you stupid fucking *fat* cocksucker and draft dodger and Social Security dole scrounger.

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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 22 01:23:57 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.society.liberalism, or.politics
    XPost: alt.politics.democrats.d

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> wrote
    in
    news:gldt7ktc98noet059p8uq4c8tf6m4c3294@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    You disputed my statement "it's not the little people [patients] >>>>>>that are defrauding Medicaid"

    AH! Now I see your problem. You're functionally illiterate!

    finally you understand.

    Combined with my stupidity, that's a bad combination, isn't it?

    And also you're a dung beetle

    Well, that WOULD be a step up for me, wouldn't it?

    Well, dung beetles are smarter than conservaturds.

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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 22 15:04:41 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.society.liberalism, or.politics
    XPost: alt.politics.democrats.d

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> wrote
    in
    news:1a0v7k1ujet4k672mett2v7c9nbao5tuan@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    You disputed my statement "it's not the little people [patients] >>>>>>>>that are defrauding Medicaid"

    AH! Now I see your problem. You're functionally illiterate!

    finally you understand.

    Combined with your stupidity, that's a bad combination, isn't it?

    And also you're a dung beetle

    Well, that WOULD be a step up for me, wouldn't it, old-timer?

    "Laugh laugh laugh laugh."
    -Lee Harrison 1957-2012, RIP

    Well, dung beetles are smarter than conservaturds.

    NOTHING is stupider than a conservaturd.

    KKKlaun know how corrupt conservaturds are but still can't help himself.

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