• 1TB Samsung 860 evo or...

    From Mark@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 10 21:04:44 2023
    1TB 860 EVO £140
    1TB 870 QVO £60
    1TB 870 EVO £85
    (rough prices - cheapest I've found so far) any reason for the big
    difference in prices?
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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to Mark on Tue Jan 10 21:53:59 2023
    Mark <captain.black@gmail.com> wrote:
    1TB 860 EVO £140
    1TB 870 QVO £60
    1TB 870 EVO £85
    (rough prices - cheapest I've found so far) any reason for the big
    difference in prices?

    QVO uses QLC flash - four bits per cell so 16 discrete voltage levels. EVOs are usually TLC - three bits per cell / 8 voltage levels. QLC is slower and less robust - more like a halfway house between SSD and spinning disc.

    I'd go for the TLC every time. As to the difference between 860 and 870, possibly the older model uses an older / larger geometry silicon process so costs more to make. So I can't see much of a reason for the 860 and would
    go for the 870 EVO.

    (very possibly the 860 would be more robust in terms of cosmic rays or something, but I wouldn't worry about it)

    Anandtech is generally the place I go for flash reviews: https://www.anandtech.com/show/16480/the-samsung-870-evo-ssd-1tb-4tb-review

    Theo

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  • From Mark@21:1/5 to Theo on Tue Jan 10 22:15:53 2023
    On 2023-01-10 21:53:59 +0000, Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> said:

    Mark <captain.black@gmail.com> wrote:
    1TB 860 EVO £140
    1TB 870 QVO £60
    1TB 870 EVO £85
    (rough prices - cheapest I've found so far) any reason for the big
    difference in prices?

    QVO uses QLC flash - four bits per cell so 16 discrete voltage levels. EVOs are usually TLC - three bits per cell / 8 voltage levels. QLC is slower and less robust - more like a halfway house between SSD and spinning disc.

    I'd go for the TLC every time. As to the difference between 860 and 870, possibly the older model uses an older / larger geometry silicon process so costs more to make. So I can't see much of a reason for the 860 and would
    go for the 870 EVO.

    (very possibly the 860 would be more robust in terms of cosmic rays or something, but I wouldn't worry about it)

    Anandtech is generally the place I go for flash reviews: https://www.anandtech.com/show/16480/the-samsung-870-evo-ssd-1tb-4tb-review

    Theo

    Cool - thanks for the info. I did just find a website that went into a
    little detail <https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/samsung-qvo-vs-evo-guide/>
    Says QVO are more a 'budget' line (fewer writes, less longevity, better
    for reads rather than writes). Not sure how - or if - that would affect
    me though. Anand looks quite a bit more detailed - thanks.

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  • From Chris Ridd@21:1/5 to Mark on Wed Jan 11 09:01:00 2023
    On 10/01/2023 22:15, Mark wrote:
    On 2023-01-10 21:53:59 +0000, Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
    said:

    Mark <captain.black@gmail.com> wrote:
    1TB 860 EVO £140
    1TB 870 QVO £60
    1TB 870 EVO £85
    (rough prices - cheapest I've found so far) any reason for the big
    difference in prices?

    QVO uses QLC flash - four bits per cell so 16 discrete voltage
    levels.  EVOs
    are usually TLC - three bits per cell / 8 voltage levels.  QLC is
    slower and
    less robust - more like a halfway house between SSD and spinning disc.

    I'd go for the TLC every time.  As to the difference between 860 and 870, >> possibly the older model uses an older / larger geometry silicon
    process so
    costs more to make.  So I can't see much of a reason for the 860 and
    would
    go for the 870 EVO.

    (very possibly the 860 would be more robust in terms of cosmic rays or
    something, but I wouldn't worry about it)

    Anandtech is generally the place I go for flash reviews:
    https://www.anandtech.com/show/16480/the-samsung-870-evo-ssd-1tb-4tb-review >>
    Theo

    Cool - thanks for the info. I did just find a website that went into a
    little detail <https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/samsung-qvo-vs-evo-guide/> Says
    QVO are more a 'budget' line (fewer writes, less longevity, better for
    reads rather than writes). Not sure how - or if - that would affect me though. Anand looks quite a bit more detailed - thanks.

    QLC makes it easier to manufacture higher capacity devices. I'd go for
    the 870 EVO..

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  • From captain.black@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Chris Ridd on Thu Jan 12 15:05:47 2023
    Chris Ridd <chrisridd@mac.com> wrote:
    On 10/01/2023 22:15, Mark wrote:
    On 2023-01-10 21:53:59 +0000, Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
    said:

    Mark <captain.black@gmail.com> wrote:
    1TB 860 EVO £140
    1TB 870 QVO £60
    1TB 870 EVO £85
    (rough prices - cheapest I've found so far) any reason for the big
    difference in prices?

    QVO uses QLC flash - four bits per cell so 16 discrete voltage
    levels.  EVOs
    are usually TLC - three bits per cell / 8 voltage levels.  QLC is
    slower and
    less robust - more like a halfway house between SSD and spinning disc.

    I'd go for the TLC every time.  As to the difference between 860 and 870, >>> possibly the older model uses an older / larger geometry silicon
    process so
    costs more to make.  So I can't see much of a reason for the 860 and
    would
    go for the 870 EVO.

    (very possibly the 860 would be more robust in terms of cosmic rays or
    something, but I wouldn't worry about it)

    Anandtech is generally the place I go for flash reviews:
    https://www.anandtech.com/show/16480/the-samsung-870-evo-ssd-1tb-4tb-review >>>
    Theo

    Cool - thanks for the info. I did just find a website that went into a
    little detail
    <https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/samsung-qvo-vs-evo-guide/> Says
    QVO are more a 'budget' line (fewer writes, less longevity, better for
    reads rather than writes). Not sure how - or if - that would affect me
    though. Anand looks quite a bit more detailed - thanks.

    QLC makes it easier to manufacture higher capacity devices. I'd go for
    the 870 EVO..


    Ok, thanks.

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