• Ultrawide screens

    From Chris@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 27 14:36:45 2023
    I think I'm going to take the plunge and get an ultrawide (WQHD),
    however, I can't justify the price of the higher end models (>£1000).

    Is anyone using the more modestly priced models from the likes of Dell
    or HP and comment on how good they are? For example one of these.

    Dell U3421WE
    Dell S3423DWC
    HP M34d
    HP P34hc

    I'm currently driving an HP 27" 1440p from an M1 MBP so the extra width
    would be beneficial. I presume the Mac is capable via USB-C, right?

    I don't do any video or photography work so colour fidelity is not a
    high priority for me.

    Any thoughts welcome.

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to Chris on Mon Jan 30 19:30:56 2023
    Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

    I think I'm going to take the plunge and get an ultrawide (WQHD),
    however, I can't justify the price of the higher end models (>£1000).

    Is anyone using the more modestly priced models from the likes of Dell
    or HP and comment on how good they are? For example one of these.

    Dell U3421WE
    Dell S3423DWC
    HP M34d
    HP P34hc

    I'm currently driving an HP 27" 1440p from an M1 MBP so the extra width
    would be beneficial. I presume the Mac is capable via USB-C, right?

    I don't do any video or photography work so colour fidelity is not a
    high priority for me.

    Any thoughts welcome.

    Bump. Anyone? Is noone using wide screens or have you all got deeper
    pockets than me? :)

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  • From Jaimie Vandenbergh@21:1/5 to Chris on Mon Jan 30 19:51:01 2023
    On 30 Jan 2023 at 19:30:56 GMT, "Chris" <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

    Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

    I think I'm going to take the plunge and get an ultrawide (WQHD),
    however, I can't justify the price of the higher end models (>£1000).

    Is anyone using the more modestly priced models from the likes of Dell
    or HP and comment on how good they are? For example one of these.

    Dell U3421WE
    Dell S3423DWC
    HP M34d
    HP P34hc

    I'm currently driving an HP 27" 1440p from an M1 MBP so the extra width
    would be beneficial. I presume the Mac is capable via USB-C, right?

    I don't do any video or photography work so colour fidelity is not a
    high priority for me.

    Any thoughts welcome.

    Bump. Anyone? Is noone using wide screens or have you all got deeper
    pockets than me? :)

    I was using an Acer XR382CQK 3840x1600 which was pretty good if rather
    low res for the 38" size, but I moved over to using a 3:2 4.5k screen
    instead as I prefer that for both shape and pixel density.

    In case of interest it's a Huawei Mateview 28", does the 'single USB-C
    cable' thing. Nice piece of kit, but its internal hub is recognised in
    macOS as usb2 not the usb3 that it actually is, which is weird.

    Cheers - Jaimie
    --
    Homographic homophonic autantonyms: "They're words
    that do their job in the most sullen, passive-aggressive
    way possible, and they totally get away with it!"
    -- http://www.qwantz.com/index.php?comic=1104

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  • From Bruce Horrocks@21:1/5 to Chris on Mon Jan 30 21:46:52 2023
    On 30/01/2023 19:30, Chris wrote:
    Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

    I think I'm going to take the plunge and get an ultrawide (WQHD),
    however, I can't justify the price of the higher end models (>£1000).

    Is anyone using the more modestly priced models from the likes of Dell
    or HP and comment on how good they are? For example one of these.

    Dell U3421WE
    Dell S3423DWC
    HP M34d
    HP P34hc

    I'm currently driving an HP 27" 1440p from an M1 MBP so the extra width
    would be beneficial. I presume the Mac is capable via USB-C, right?

    I don't do any video or photography work so colour fidelity is not a
    high priority for me.

    Any thoughts welcome.

    Bump. Anyone? Is noone using wide screens or have you all got deeper
    pockets than me? :)


    Don't use one.

    I do have two monitors which I find convenient because I often need to
    connect more than one machine at once (work and client laptops for
    example) so easy and bullet proof (i.e plug in and go screen sharing
    with no client drivers) would be an absolute necessity. It wasn't clear
    from the specs and reviews whether this would be the case.

    Also, over the last few years, MacOS has embraced full screen mode. I
    have precisely one app where this might be a benefit (Xcode) and many
    (Mail, TextEdit etc.) where it is a hindrance.

    I just imagined forever having to re-arrange windows alongside each other!

    --
    Bruce Horrocks
    Surrey, England

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  • From Ian McCall@21:1/5 to Bruce Horrocks on Tue Jan 31 07:58:22 2023
    On 30 Jan 2023, Bruce Horrocks wrote
    (in article<657b2bef-b221-4a4d-027f-08053eb5e9c6@scorecrow.com>):

    Also, over the last few years, MacOS has embraced full screen mode. I
    have precisely one app where this might be a benefit (Xcode) and many
    (Mail, TextEdit etc.) where it is a hindrance.

    I just imagined forever having to re-arrange windows alongside each other!

    This is big consideration for me with an ultra wide. I really want one and am considering one this year, but the way the Mac handles full screen means that having two smaller might actually be better for me. I really, really wish either Apple or a third party would allow virtual screens, i.e. define a section of the monitor that ‘full screen’ would occupy. You could imagine having an ultra wide 2/3rds windowed and one third reserver for full screen, where you could swipe between multiple full-screened apps.

    That and the fact they keep releasing rubbish graphics drivers that don’t understand resolutions that Apple themselves don’t make. SwitchResX exists for a reason, sadly, All that said, I would definitely -prefer- an ultra wide so I need to see if those downsides outweigh the good.

    Cheers,
    Ian

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to Bruce Horrocks on Tue Jan 31 08:12:02 2023
    Bruce Horrocks <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:
    On 30/01/2023 19:30, Chris wrote:
    Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

    I think I'm going to take the plunge and get an ultrawide (WQHD),
    however, I can't justify the price of the higher end models (>£1000).

    Is anyone using the more modestly priced models from the likes of Dell
    or HP and comment on how good they are? For example one of these.

    Dell U3421WE
    Dell S3423DWC
    HP M34d
    HP P34hc

    I'm currently driving an HP 27" 1440p from an M1 MBP so the extra width
    would be beneficial. I presume the Mac is capable via USB-C, right?

    I don't do any video or photography work so colour fidelity is not a
    high priority for me.

    Any thoughts welcome.

    Bump. Anyone? Is noone using wide screens or have you all got deeper
    pockets than me? :)


    Don't use one.

    I do have two monitors which I find convenient because I often need to connect more than one machine at once (work and client laptops for
    example) so easy and bullet proof (i.e plug in and go screen sharing
    with no client drivers) would be an absolute necessity.

    I get that. I ran dual screen many moons ago but got fed up having bezels
    in the middle of my eye line. Now prefer a single big screen.

    It wasn't clear
    from the specs and reviews whether this would be the case.

    Also, over the last few years, MacOS has embraced full screen mode. I
    have precisely one app where this might be a benefit (Xcode) and many
    (Mail, TextEdit etc.) where it is a hindrance.

    I just imagined forever having to re-arrange windows alongside each other!

    I very rarely use full screen and have the rectangle app to help snap
    windows to the edges of the screen as I regularly have multiple windows I
    need to refer to.

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  • From Bernd Froehlich@21:1/5 to Chris on Tue Jan 31 07:58:53 2023
    On 30. Jan 2023 at 20:30:56 CET, "Chris" <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

    Bump. Anyone? Is noone using wide screens or have you all got deeper
    pockets than me? :)

    I´m very happy with my LG 34UM95

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to Bernd Froehlich on Tue Jan 31 08:12:01 2023
    Bernd Froehlich <befr@eaglesoft.de> wrote:
    On 30. Jan 2023 at 20:30:56 CET, "Chris" <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

    Bump. Anyone? Is noone using wide screens or have you all got deeper
    pockets than me? :)

    I´m very happy with my LG 34UM95

    Thanks for the datapoint. What Mac is driving it?

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to Jaimie Vandenbergh on Tue Jan 31 08:17:03 2023
    Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:
    On 30 Jan 2023 at 19:30:56 GMT, "Chris" <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

    Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

    I think I'm going to take the plunge and get an ultrawide (WQHD),
    however, I can't justify the price of the higher end models (>£1000).

    Is anyone using the more modestly priced models from the likes of Dell
    or HP and comment on how good they are? For example one of these.

    Dell U3421WE
    Dell S3423DWC
    HP M34d
    HP P34hc

    I'm currently driving an HP 27" 1440p from an M1 MBP so the extra width
    would be beneficial. I presume the Mac is capable via USB-C, right?

    I don't do any video or photography work so colour fidelity is not a
    high priority for me.

    Any thoughts welcome.

    Bump. Anyone? Is noone using wide screens or have you all got deeper
    pockets than me? :)

    I was using an Acer XR382CQK 3840x1600 which was pretty good if rather
    low res for the 38" size, but I moved over to using a 3:2 4.5k screen
    instead as I prefer that for both shape and pixel density.

    In case of interest it's a Huawei Mateview 28", does the 'single USB-C
    cable' thing. Nice piece of kit, but its internal hub is recognised in
    macOS as usb2 not the usb3 that it actually is, which is weird.

    Yes I really like the single USB-C thing. My current monitor is also a hub. Very convenient with ethernet, USB-A, and charging all in one. Will
    definitely do that with the UW screen.

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  • From Sn!pe@21:1/5 to Bernd Froehlich on Tue Jan 31 12:49:21 2023
    Bernd Froehlich <befr@eaglesoft.de> wrote:

    On 30. Jan 2023 at 20:30:56 CET, "Chris" <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

    Bump. Anyone? Is noone using wide screens or have you all got
    deeper pockets than me? :)

    I´m very happy with my LG 34UM95

    Likewise with my Samsung Odyssey G9 LC49G95T; it's like having
    two 27" screens side by side. I have several Spaces, each with two
    full-screen apps tiled side by side, it's very convenient. MBP M1X
    on Ventura 13.2

    --
    ^Ï^. Sn!pe – My pet rock Gordon just is.

    Rock music: <https://imgur.com/gallery/duV5yqj>

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  • From Jaimie Vandenbergh@21:1/5 to Ian McCall on Tue Jan 31 14:08:08 2023
    On 31 Jan 2023 at 07:58:22 GMT, "Ian McCall" <ian@eruvia.org> wrote:

    On 30 Jan 2023, Bruce Horrocks wrote
    (in article<657b2bef-b221-4a4d-027f-08053eb5e9c6@scorecrow.com>):

    Also, over the last few years, MacOS has embraced full screen mode. I
    have precisely one app where this might be a benefit (Xcode) and many
    (Mail, TextEdit etc.) where it is a hindrance.

    I just imagined forever having to re-arrange windows alongside each other!

    This is big consideration for me with an ultra wide. I really want one and am considering one this year, but the way the Mac handles full screen means that having two smaller might actually be better for me. I really, really wish either Apple or a third party would allow virtual screens, i.e. define a section of the monitor that ‘full screen’ would occupy.

    Third party ones have existed for years - try BetterSnapTool (I use its
    bigger cousin, BetterTouchTool).

    You could imagine
    having an ultra wide 2/3rds windowed and one third reserver for full screen, where you could swipe between multiple full-screened apps.

    That and the fact they keep releasing rubbish graphics drivers that don’t understand resolutions that Apple themselves don’t make. SwitchResX exists for a reason, sadly, All that said, I would definitely -prefer- an ultra wide so I need to see if those downsides outweigh the good.

    Hm. Even with the wide 3840x1600 and the current 3:2 3840x2560, it Just
    Worked in the classic style. Also to a 1920x1200 I have lying around.

    Cheers - Jaimie
    --
    Sent from my Atari 400

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to snipeco.2@gmail.com on Tue Jan 31 14:33:39 2023
    Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:
    Bernd Froehlich <befr@eaglesoft.de> wrote:

    On 30. Jan 2023 at 20:30:56 CET, "Chris" <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

    Bump. Anyone? Is noone using wide screens or have you all got
    deeper pockets than me? :)

    I´m very happy with my LG 34UM95

    Likewise with my Samsung Odyssey G9 LC49G95T;

    To pricy for me. Sadly...

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  • From Bernd Froehlich@21:1/5 to Chris on Tue Jan 31 14:46:28 2023
    On 31. Jan 2023 at 09:12:01 CET, "Chris" <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

    I´m very happy with my LG 34UM95

    Thanks for the datapoint. What Mac is driving it?

    A 2022 MacBook Air

    Before that it was a M1 mini

    Before that a 2017 MacBookPro

    Befor that a 2012 MacBookPro

    (Seems like I´ve got this monitor for quite some time now :-)

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  • From Ian McCall@21:1/5 to Jaimie Vandenbergh on Tue Jan 31 15:03:16 2023
    On 31 Jan 2023, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote
    (in article <k3slm8FcrihU1@mid.individual.net>):

    Third party ones have existed for years - try BetterSnapTool (I use its bigger cousin, BetterTouchTool).

    This is window arrangement, not full screen. Full screen apps can be swiped between - I have Hogwasher running full screen right now for instance, and I swipe between that and my desktop. I’ve used window managers for ages, but they don’t affect full screen behaviour.

    Cheers,
    Ian

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to Bernd Froehlich on Tue Jan 31 15:40:15 2023
    Bernd Froehlich <befr@eaglesoft.de> wrote:
    On 31. Jan 2023 at 09:12:01 CET, "Chris" <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

    I´m very happy with my LG 34UM95

    Thanks for the datapoint. What Mac is driving it?

    A 2022 MacBook Air

    Before that it was a M1 mini

    Before that a 2017 MacBookPro

    Befor that a 2012 MacBookPro

    (Seems like I´ve got this monitor for quite some time now :-)

    :)

    Thanks

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  • From Jaimie Vandenbergh@21:1/5 to Ian McCall on Wed Feb 1 10:49:50 2023
    On 31 Jan 2023 at 15:03:16 GMT, "Ian McCall" <ian@eruvia.org> wrote:

    On 31 Jan 2023, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote
    (in article <k3slm8FcrihU1@mid.individual.net>):

    Third party ones have existed for years - try BetterSnapTool (I use its
    bigger cousin, BetterTouchTool).

    This is window arrangement, not full screen. Full screen apps can be swiped between - I have Hogwasher running full screen right now for instance, and I swipe between that and my desktop. I’ve used window managers for ages, but they don’t affect full screen behaviour.


    Hm. That's a usage style I'd not thought of, and I must have glitched
    over your explanation of it since it's pretty clear!

    My ultrawide had a side-by-side dual picture mode, but that would
    require using two inputs and it was only a 50:50 split; also wouldn't
    allow you to do a spread window over the "two" screens as macOS doesn't
    support that.

    Cheers - Jaimie
    --
    The square root of rope is string. -- Core 3, Valve

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  • From Sn!pe@21:1/5 to Jaimie Vandenbergh on Wed Feb 1 13:07:54 2023
    Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:

    [...]

    My ultrawide had a side-by-side dual picture mode, but that would
    require using two inputs and it was only a 50:50 split; also wouldn't
    allow you to do a spread window over the "two" screens as macOS
    doesn't support that.


    MBP M1X, Ventura 13.2.

    I can do that with my Samsung Odyssey G9: it's fed with
    one DisplayPort connection from one USB C port and can
    full-screen across the full double-width screen.

    Having two full-screen apps side by side is achieved by
    Window - Tile Window to (Left or Right) of Screen. You can
    even slide the divider between the apps to left or right so
    that one window can be larger horizontally than the other.

    --
    ^Ï^. Sn!pe – My pet rock Gordon just is.

    Rock music: <https://imgur.com/gallery/duV5yqj>

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  • From Ian McCall@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 4 09:34:01 2023
    On 1 Feb 2023, Sn!pe wrote
    (in article<1q5h3gk.1nti734135lhy2N%snipeco.2@gmail.com>):

    Having two full-screen apps side by side is achieved by
    Window - Tile Window to (Left or Right) of Screen. You can
    even slide the divider between the apps to left or right so
    that one window can be larger horizontally than the other.

    Can you elaborate on this, because that sounds exactly like what I want if I have it correct.

    I want to be able to hit maximise on a Mac app, and have it in full screen
    mode where you can swipe between multiple full screen apps, and assign that ‘full screen’ app to 1/3rd or so of a large ultra wide. I had a similar effect when I had three monitors (iMac and two externals), and it was the
    most productive setup I’ve had. I’d just like to go ultra wide for
    neatness reasons mostly, plus lack of bezels.

    What I used to do was have work things on the iMac monitor, my standard Mac usage on the second, and multiple full screen apps on the third that I would swipe between depending on context.

    Cheers,
    Ian

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  • From Bruce Horrocks@21:1/5 to Ian McCall on Sat Feb 4 14:43:35 2023
    On 04/02/2023 09:34, Ian McCall wrote:
    On 1 Feb 2023, Sn!pe wrote
    (in article<1q5h3gk.1nti734135lhy2N%snipeco.2@gmail.com>):

    Having two full-screen apps side by side is achieved by
    Window - Tile Window to (Left or Right) of Screen. You can
    even slide the divider between the apps to left or right so
    that one window can be larger horizontally than the other.

    Can you elaborate on this, because that sounds exactly like what I want if I have it correct.

    Start both apps. On one, hover the mouse over the green expand button. A
    menu drops down offering: full screen, tile left, tile right. Choose
    tile to one side and then in the space remaining it goes into a Mission
    Control style display asking you to pick another app. Pick the other one
    and both are then tiled side-by-side full screen.

    The divider in the middle lets you make one larger than the other. The
    two apps are now in their own space and the usual three-finger swipe
    swaps you out of that space back to the desktop or another space. You
    can repeat to create more spaces.

    You'll probably need to specify "re-open windows" if/when you
    logout/shutdown.

    I want to be able to hit maximise on a Mac app, and have it in full screen mode where you can swipe between multiple full screen apps, and assign that ‘full screen’ app to 1/3rd or so of a large ultra wide. I had a similar effect when I had three monitors (iMac and two externals), and it was the most productive setup I’ve had. I’d just like to go ultra wide for neatness reasons mostly, plus lack of bezels.

    No. It won't allow one app to be tiled and 'normal' desktop in the other
    half. Nearest you can get to this is to manually re-size a standard
    window to the desired size.

    You can automate that re-size using AppleScript to save fiddling each time:

    tell application "System Events"
    tell process "Safari"
    set position of window 1 to {0, 50}
    set size of window 1 to {1200, 1000}
    end tell
    tell process "TextEdit"
    set position of window 1 to {1200, 50}
    set size of window 1 to {1200, 1000}
    end tell
    end tell

    Both Safari and AppleScript need to be running with a window open in
    each for the above to work but it's easy to customise with your
    preferred window sizes and locations and you can have multiple
    AppleScripts for multiple setups or spaces.

    It's also possible to have AppleScript open the apps into pre-existing
    spaces as well. Try the above first and let us know if it does what you
    want.


    What I used to do was have work things on the iMac monitor, my standard Mac usage on the second, and multiple full screen apps on the third that I would swipe between depending on context.

    --
    Bruce Horrocks
    Surrey, England

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  • From Sn!pe@21:1/5 to Bruce Horrocks on Sat Feb 4 15:43:03 2023
    Bruce Horrocks <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:

    On 04/02/2023 09:34, Ian McCall wrote:
    On 1 Feb 2023, Sn!pe wrote
    (in article<1q5h3gk.1nti734135lhy2N%snipeco.2@gmail.com>):

    Having two full-screen apps side by side is achieved by
    Window - Tile Window to (Left or Right) of Screen. You can
    even slide the divider between the apps to left or right so
    that one window can be larger horizontally than the other.

    Can you elaborate on this, because that sounds exactly like what I want if I
    have it correct.

    Start both apps. On one, hover the mouse over the green expand button. A
    menu drops down offering: full screen, tile left, tile right. Choose
    tile to one side and then in the space remaining it goes into a Mission Control style display asking you to pick another app. Pick the other one
    and both are then tiled side-by-side full screen.

    The divider in the middle lets you make one larger than the other. The
    two apps are now in their own space and the usual three-finger swipe
    swaps you out of that space back to the desktop or another space. You
    can repeat to create more spaces.

    You'll probably need to specify "re-open windows" if/when you logout/shutdown.

    I want to be able to hit maximise on a Mac app, and have it in full screen mode where you can swipe between multiple full screen apps, and assign that 'full screen' app to 1/3rd or so of a large ultra wide. I had a similar effect when I had three monitors (iMac and two externals), and it was the most productive setup I've had. I'd just like to go ultra wide for
    neatness reasons mostly, plus lack of bezels.

    No. It won't allow one app to be tiled and 'normal' desktop in the other half. Nearest you can get to this is to manually re-size a standard
    window to the desired size.


    That is just how it works for me, and it works well. I can't comment
    on the use of AppleScript as I do all the resizing/replacement manually
    when logging back in. The placement doesn't persist through logout.


    You can automate that re-size using AppleScript to save fiddling each time:

    tell application "System Events"
    tell process "Safari"
    set position of window 1 to {0, 50}
    set size of window 1 to {1200, 1000}
    end tell
    tell process "TextEdit"
    set position of window 1 to {1200, 50}
    set size of window 1 to {1200, 1000}
    end tell
    end tell

    Both Safari and AppleScript need to be running with a window open in
    each for the above to work but it's easy to customise with your
    preferred window sizes and locations and you can have multiple
    AppleScripts for multiple setups or spaces.

    It's also possible to have AppleScript open the apps into pre-existing
    spaces as well. Try the above first and let us know if it does what you
    want.


    What I used to do was have work things on the iMac monitor, my standard Mac usage on the second, and multiple full screen apps on the third that I would
    swipe between depending on context.


    --
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