• Any functional improvements in macOS over the last few years?

    From TimS@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 4 11:38:21 2023
    Just happened to look at the 2014 Mini I use as a fileserver, via screen-sharing. It runs Monterey.latest. It looks a bit different to my own Mini running Catalina, but I couldn't immediately think of any useful functional improvements recently. Am I overlooking anything?

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    Tim

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to timstreater@greenbee.net on Sat Feb 4 10:36:08 2023
    In article <k46uddF6k0U1@mid.individual.net>, TimS
    <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

    Just happened to look at the 2014 Mini I use as a fileserver, via screen-sharing. It runs Monterey.latest. It looks a bit different to my own Mini running Catalina, but I couldn't immediately think of any useful functional improvements recently. Am I overlooking anything?

    no.

    the main benefit is being able to use apps that require monterey or
    later.

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  • From TimS@21:1/5 to nospam on Sat Feb 4 22:54:41 2023
    On 04 Feb 2023 at 15:36:08 GMT, "nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    In article <k46uddF6k0U1@mid.individual.net>, TimS
    <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

    Just happened to look at the 2014 Mini I use as a fileserver, via
    screen-sharing. It runs Monterey.latest. It looks a bit different to my own >> Mini running Catalina, but I couldn't immediately think of any useful
    functional improvements recently. Am I overlooking anything?

    no.

    the main benefit is being able to use apps that require monterey or
    later.

    Which is kind of a circular argument.

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    Tim

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to TimS on Sun Feb 5 09:48:36 2023
    TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
    Just happened to look at the 2014 Mini I use as a fileserver, via screen-sharing. It runs Monterey.latest. It looks a bit different to my own Mini running Catalina, but I couldn't immediately think of any useful functional improvements recently. Am I overlooking anything?


    For an OS as old as macOS there's unlikely to be many changes been adjacent versions.

    However, more recent versions benefit from things like Universal Control, ability to run ios apps, APFS, and of course support for Apple Silicon.

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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to Chris on Sun Feb 5 10:02:22 2023
    Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
    TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
    Just happened to look at the 2014 Mini I use as a fileserver, via
    screen-sharing. It runs Monterey.latest. It looks a bit different to my own >> Mini running Catalina, but I couldn't immediately think of any useful
    functional improvements recently. Am I overlooking anything?


    For an OS as old as macOS there's unlikely to be many changes been adjacent versions.

    However, more recent versions benefit from things like Universal Control, ability to run ios apps, APFS, and of course support for Apple Silicon.

    Not forgetting the improvements in general security and malware protection offered via SSV and Apple’s own anti-malware apps.

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    Cheers, Alan

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  • From TimS@21:1/5 to Chris on Sun Feb 5 10:24:54 2023
    On 05 Feb 2023 at 09:48:36 GMT, "Chris" <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

    TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
    Just happened to look at the 2014 Mini I use as a fileserver, via
    screen-sharing. It runs Monterey.latest. It looks a bit different to my own >> Mini running Catalina, but I couldn't immediately think of any useful
    functional improvements recently. Am I overlooking anything?


    For an OS as old as macOS there's unlikely to be many changes been adjacent versions.

    However, more recent versions benefit from things like Universal Control, ability to run ios apps,

    Meh.

    APFS, and of course support for Apple Silicon.

    These are more useful.

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    Tim

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  • From TimS@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 5 10:32:26 2023
    On 05 Feb 2023 at 10:02:22 GMT, "Alan B" <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

    Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
    TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
    Just happened to look at the 2014 Mini I use as a fileserver, via
    screen-sharing. It runs Monterey.latest. It looks a bit different to my own >>> Mini running Catalina, but I couldn't immediately think of any useful
    functional improvements recently. Am I overlooking anything?


    For an OS as old as macOS there's unlikely to be many changes been adjacent >> versions.

    However, more recent versions benefit from things like Universal Control,
    ability to run ios apps, APFS, and of course support for Apple Silicon.

    Not forgetting the improvements in general security and malware protection offered via SSV and Apple’s own anti-malware apps.

    Well there is this. Mind you on a developer forum I'm on, all I hear is bellyaches about how opaque the procedure is for code-signing and
    notarisation, how poor and incomprehensible the error messages are, etc etc. Still, that might just be teething issues - they also say the process has become easier (or will do shortly).

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    Tim

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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to TimS on Sun Feb 5 12:33:46 2023
    TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
    On 05 Feb 2023 at 10:02:22 GMT, "Alan B" <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid>
    wrote:

    Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
    TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
    Just happened to look at the 2014 Mini I use as a fileserver, via
    screen-sharing. It runs Monterey.latest. It looks a bit different to my own
    Mini running Catalina, but I couldn't immediately think of any useful
    functional improvements recently. Am I overlooking anything?


    For an OS as old as macOS there's unlikely to be many changes been adjacent >>> versions.

    However, more recent versions benefit from things like Universal Control, >>> ability to run ios apps, APFS, and of course support for Apple Silicon.

    Not forgetting the improvements in general security and malware protection >> offered via SSV and Apple’s own anti-malware apps.

    Well there is this. Mind you on a developer forum I'm on, all I hear is bellyaches about how opaque the procedure is for code-signing and notarisation, how poor and incomprehensible the error messages are, etc etc. Still, that might just be teething issues - they also say the process has become easier (or will do shortly).

    I’m glad my s/w dev time ended years ago then! Incidentally I’ve been trying to teach myself Swift but have rather lost enthusiasm. It’s my age probably ;-) Apart from Apple’s Playground, can you suggest a primer site that starts from the basics and works upwards and onwards?

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    Cheers, Alan

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  • From TimS@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 5 13:36:44 2023
    On 05 Feb 2023 at 12:33:46 GMT, "Alan B" <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

    TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
    On 05 Feb 2023 at 10:02:22 GMT, "Alan B" <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid>
    wrote:

    Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
    TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
    Just happened to look at the 2014 Mini I use as a fileserver, via
    screen-sharing. It runs Monterey.latest. It looks a bit different to my own
    Mini running Catalina, but I couldn't immediately think of any useful >>>>> functional improvements recently. Am I overlooking anything?


    For an OS as old as macOS there's unlikely to be many changes been adjacent
    versions.

    However, more recent versions benefit from things like Universal Control, >>>> ability to run ios apps, APFS, and of course support for Apple Silicon. >>>
    Not forgetting the improvements in general security and malware protection >>> offered via SSV and Apple’s own anti-malware apps.

    Well there is this. Mind you on a developer forum I'm on, all I hear is
    bellyaches about how opaque the procedure is for code-signing and
    notarisation, how poor and incomprehensible the error messages are, etc etc. >> Still, that might just be teething issues - they also say the process has
    become easier (or will do shortly).

    I’m glad my s/w dev time ended years ago then! Incidentally I’ve been trying to teach myself Swift but have rather lost enthusiasm. It’s my age probably ;-) Apart from Apple’s Playground, can you suggest a primer site that starts from the basics and works upwards and onwards?

    I'm using Xojo rather than Swift so I can't help, sorry.

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    Tim

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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to Alan B on Sun Feb 5 21:14:01 2023
    Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
    I’m glad my s/w dev time ended years ago then! Incidentally I’ve been trying to teach myself Swift but have rather lost enthusiasm. It’s my age probably ;-) Apart from Apple’s Playground, can you suggest a primer site that starts from the basics and works upwards and onwards?

    I found this useful:
    https://www.hackingwithswift.com/100

    but I only skimmed it, I didn't follow the timetable as they suggest.
    It's useful in that it covers Apple app development more generally, not just writing hello world programs that don't translate into writing actual apps.

    Theo

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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to Theo on Mon Feb 6 08:14:44 2023
    Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
    Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
    I’m glad my s/w dev time ended years ago then! Incidentally I’ve been
    trying to teach myself Swift but have rather lost enthusiasm. It’s my age >> probably ;-) Apart from Apple’s Playground, can you suggest a primer site >> that starts from the basics and works upwards and onwards?

    I found this useful:
    https://www.hackingwithswift.com/100

    but I only skimmed it, I didn't follow the timetable as they suggest.
    It's useful in that it covers Apple app development more generally, not just writing hello world programs that don't translate into writing actual apps.

    Yes you mentioned that a while ago and I started it but didn’t progress beyond the basic stuff. I think I got distracted by some other work I
    needed to do around the house. Perhaps I’ll go back to it now?

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  • From Bernd Froehlich@21:1/5 to TimS on Mon Feb 6 08:39:10 2023
    On 5. Feb 2023 at 14:36:44 CET, "TimS" <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

    I'm using Xojo rather than Swift so I can't help, sorry.

    +1 for Xojo.
    I´m using it since it was version 1 and was called RealBasic.

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  • From TimS@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 6 09:58:54 2023
    On 06 Feb 2023 at 09:24:12 GMT, "Alan B" <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

    Bernd Froehlich <befr@eaglesoft.de> wrote:
    On 5. Feb 2023 at 14:36:44 CET, "TimS" <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

    I'm using Xojo rather than Swift so I can't help, sorry.

    +1 for Xojo.
    I´m using it since it was version 1 and was called RealBasic.

    $399 but then if you are a professional developer that’s probably good value. Too pricey for a very part time hacker ;-)

    $149 if you buy a Lite licence, which limits you to one platform type. And development can go on for as long as you like for $0 - no licence needed until you want to build an executable.

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    Tim

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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to Bernd Froehlich on Mon Feb 6 09:24:12 2023
    Bernd Froehlich <befr@eaglesoft.de> wrote:
    On 5. Feb 2023 at 14:36:44 CET, "TimS" <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

    I'm using Xojo rather than Swift so I can't help, sorry.

    +1 for Xojo.
    I´m using it since it was version 1 and was called RealBasic.

    $399 but then if you are a professional developer that’s probably good
    value. Too pricey for a very part time hacker ;-)

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    Cheers, Alan

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  • From Chris Ridd@21:1/5 to Alan B on Mon Feb 6 12:10:53 2023
    On 05/02/2023 12:33, Alan B wrote:
    I’m glad my s/w dev time ended years ago then! Incidentally I’ve been trying to teach myself Swift but have rather lost enthusiasm. It’s my age probably ;-) Apart from Apple’s Playground, can you suggest a primer site that starts from the basics and works upwards and onwards?

    You could try hackingwithswift.com. He has a lot of material on youtube
    as well, and is from the UK.

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    Chris

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