• "Put away"?

    From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 14 16:15:45 2023
    Does anyone remember the command "put away" on 90s Macs? What did it mean?

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to CK1@nospam.com on Tue Feb 14 11:44:44 2023
    In article <op.10c54jcdmvhs6z@ryzen.home>, Commander Kinsey
    <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

    Does anyone remember the command "put away" on 90s Macs? What did it mean?

    it put the file back into the folder it was previously in, after having
    been moved out of it, usually to the desktop.

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  • From Bruce Horrocks@21:1/5 to nospam on Tue Feb 14 22:08:34 2023
    On 14/02/2023 16:44, nospam wrote:
    In article <op.10c54jcdmvhs6z@ryzen.home>, Commander Kinsey
    <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

    Does anyone remember the command "put away" on 90s Macs? What did it mean?

    it put the file back into the folder it was previously in, after having
    been moved out of it, usually to the desktop.

    I thought it was only from the Desktop back to where it came from?

    Way back I wrote a program to re-create the behaviour of Put Away but,
    because there was no easy hook into the Finder, it needed very low-level
    access to the OS and *every* file move had to be trapped and checked.

    Given that this meant every file the OS moved behind the scenes for any
    reason, not just because the user had asked for it to be moved, this put
    quite a lot of load on the system.

    The later introduction of System Integrity Protection meant you also had
    to jump through hoops to install it so I gave up.

    Finder add-ins have changed since then so it might be worth me looking
    at the possibilities they offer again.

    --
    Bruce Horrocks
    Surrey, England

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to Horrocks on Tue Feb 14 17:35:46 2023
    In article <550cadd7-3cc6-20ad-2cb6-e845524d7133@scorecrow.com>, Bruce
    Horrocks <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:

    Does anyone remember the command "put away" on 90s Macs? What did it mean?

    it put the file back into the folder it was previously in, after having been moved out of it, usually to the desktop.

    I thought it was only from the Desktop back to where it came from?

    indeed it is, at least in mac os 9.2, which i just tested.

    Way back I wrote a program to re-create the behaviour of Put Away but, because there was no easy hook into the Finder, it needed very low-level access to the OS and *every* file move had to be trapped and checked.

    handling only user-invoked moves would likely suffice.

    Given that this meant every file the OS moved behind the scenes for any reason, not just because the user had asked for it to be moved, this put quite a lot of load on the system.

    The later introduction of System Integrity Protection meant you also had
    to jump through hoops to install it so I gave up.

    even without that, it would be difficult on mac os x.

    Finder add-ins have changed since then so it might be worth me looking
    at the possibilities they offer again.

    true. maybe someone can write one to make the finder not suck.

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  • From whisky-dave@21:1/5 to nospam on Wed Feb 15 04:55:21 2023
    On Tuesday, 14 February 2023 at 22:35:48 UTC, nospam wrote:
    In article <550cadd7-3cc6-20ad...@scorecrow.com>, Bruce
    Horrocks <07....@scorecrow.com> wrote:

    Does anyone remember the command "put away" on 90s Macs? What did it mean?

    it put the file back into the folder it was previously in, after having been moved out of it, usually to the desktop.

    I thought it was only from the Desktop back to where it came from?
    indeed it is, at least in mac os 9.2, which i just tested.
    Way back I wrote a program to re-create the behaviour of Put Away but, because there was no easy hook into the Finder, it needed very low-level access to the OS and *every* file move had to be trapped and checked.
    handling only user-invoked moves would likely suffice.

    I just use command-z (undo) if I move a file out of one folder placing it somewhere else by mistake or change my mind.
    Doesn;t have a history of course assiociated with it.

    Given that this meant every file the OS moved behind the scenes for any reason, not just because the user had asked for it to be moved, this put quite a lot of load on the system.

    The later introduction of System Integrity Protection meant you also had
    to jump through hoops to install it so I gave up.
    even without that, it would be difficult on mac os x.

    Finder add-ins have changed since then so it might be worth me looking
    at the possibilities they offer again.
    true. maybe someone can write one to make the finder not suck.

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  • From John Hill@21:1/5 to nospam on Thu Feb 16 05:23:43 2023
    On 14 Feb 2023 at 22:35:46 GMT, "nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    In article <550cadd7-3cc6-20ad-2cb6-e845524d7133@scorecrow.com>, Bruce Horrocks <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:

    Does anyone remember the command "put away" on 90s Macs? What did it mean?

    it put the file back into the folder it was previously in, after having
    been moved out of it, usually to the desktop.

    I thought it was only from the Desktop back to where it came from?

    indeed it is, at least in mac os 9.2, which i just tested.

    I seem to remember it, or something similar, being available in the Bin until quite recently.
    It's certainly not there now!


    Way back I wrote a program to re-create the behaviour of Put Away but,
    because there was no easy hook into the Finder, it needed very low-level
    access to the OS and *every* file move had to be trapped and checked.

    handling only user-invoked moves would likely suffice.

    Given that this meant every file the OS moved behind the scenes for any
    reason, not just because the user had asked for it to be moved, this put
    quite a lot of load on the system.

    The later introduction of System Integrity Protection meant you also had
    to jump through hoops to install it so I gave up.

    even without that, it would be difficult on mac os x.

    Finder add-ins have changed since then so it might be worth me looking
    at the possibilities they offer again.

    true. maybe someone can write one to make the finder not suck.


    --
    Mony a mickle makes a muckle.

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  • From John Hill@21:1/5 to John Hill on Thu Feb 16 05:26:35 2023
    On 16 Feb 2023 at 05:23:43 GMT, "John Hill" <watcombeman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

    On 14 Feb 2023 at 22:35:46 GMT, "nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    In article <550cadd7-3cc6-20ad-2cb6-e845524d7133@scorecrow.com>, Bruce
    Horrocks <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:

    Does anyone remember the command "put away" on 90s Macs? What did it mean?

    it put the file back into the folder it was previously in, after having >>>> been moved out of it, usually to the desktop.

    I thought it was only from the Desktop back to where it came from?

    indeed it is, at least in mac os 9.2, which i just tested.

    I seem to remember it, or something similar, being available in the Bin until quite recently.
    It's certainly not there now!

    My mistake! it IS there now.



    Way back I wrote a program to re-create the behaviour of Put Away but,
    because there was no easy hook into the Finder, it needed very low-level >>> access to the OS and *every* file move had to be trapped and checked.

    handling only user-invoked moves would likely suffice.

    Given that this meant every file the OS moved behind the scenes for any
    reason, not just because the user had asked for it to be moved, this put >>> quite a lot of load on the system.

    The later introduction of System Integrity Protection meant you also had >>> to jump through hoops to install it so I gave up.

    even without that, it would be difficult on mac os x.

    Finder add-ins have changed since then so it might be worth me looking
    at the possibilities they offer again.

    true. maybe someone can write one to make the finder not suck.


    --
    Mony a mickle makes a muckle.

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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to nospam on Thu Feb 16 10:08:32 2023
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <550cadd7-3cc6-20ad-2cb6-e845524d7133@scorecrow.com>, Bruce Horrocks <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:

    Does anyone remember the command "put away" on 90s Macs? What did it mean?

    it put the file back into the folder it was previously in, after having
    been moved out of it, usually to the desktop.

    I thought it was only from the Desktop back to where it came from?

    indeed it is, at least in mac os 9.2, which i just tested.

    Way back I wrote a program to re-create the behaviour of Put Away but,
    because there was no easy hook into the Finder, it needed very low-level
    access to the OS and *every* file move had to be trapped and checked.

    handling only user-invoked moves would likely suffice.

    Given that this meant every file the OS moved behind the scenes for any
    reason, not just because the user had asked for it to be moved, this put
    quite a lot of load on the system.

    The later introduction of System Integrity Protection meant you also had
    to jump through hoops to install it so I gave up.

    even without that, it would be difficult on mac os x.

    Finder add-ins have changed since then so it might be worth me looking
    at the possibilities they offer again.

    true. maybe someone can write one to make the finder not suck.

    For those without a Classic Mac system (e.g. Most of us!) you can try it
    out using a UTM vm.

    <https://mac.getutm.app/gallery/mac-os-9-2-1>

    --
    Cheers, Alan

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to John Hill on Thu Feb 16 11:18:02 2023
    On 16/02/2023 05:26, John Hill wrote:
    On 16 Feb 2023 at 05:23:43 GMT, "John Hill" <watcombeman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

    On 14 Feb 2023 at 22:35:46 GMT, "nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    In article <550cadd7-3cc6-20ad-2cb6-e845524d7133@scorecrow.com>, Bruce
    Horrocks <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:

    Does anyone remember the command "put away" on 90s Macs? What did it mean?

    it put the file back into the folder it was previously in, after having >>>>> been moved out of it, usually to the desktop.

    I thought it was only from the Desktop back to where it came from?

    indeed it is, at least in mac os 9.2, which i just tested.

    I seem to remember it, or something similar, being available in the Bin until
    quite recently.
    It's certainly not there now!

    My mistake! it IS there now.


    Perhaps a bit early for you to be sitting at your desk?!!

    Have a good day, John. 🙂

    --
    Kind regards,
    David

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  • From Jaimie Vandenbergh@21:1/5 to alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid on Thu Feb 16 13:13:24 2023
    On 16 Feb 2023 at 10:08:32 GMT, "Alan B"
    <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

    For those without a Classic Mac system (e.g. Most of us!) you can try it
    out using a UTM vm.

    <https://mac.getutm.app/gallery/mac-os-9-2-1>

    https://macos9.app/
    https://system7.app/

    Cheers - Jaimie
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    "Some people think that noise abatement should be a higher
    priority for ATC. I say safety is noise abatement. You have no
    idea how much noise it makes to have a 737 fall out of the sky
    after an accident."
    -- anonymous air traffic controller

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to Alan B on Thu Feb 16 08:17:09 2023
    In article <tskvb0$37hm0$1@alanrichardbarker.eternal-september.org>,
    Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

    I thought it was only from the Desktop back to where it came from?

    indeed it is, at least in mac os 9.2, which i just tested.


    ...


    For those without a Classic Mac system (e.g. Most of us!) you can try it
    out using a UTM vm.

    <https://mac.getutm.app/gallery/mac-os-9-2-1>

    that's how i tested it :)

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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to Jaimie Vandenbergh on Thu Feb 16 13:22:16 2023
    Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:

    On 16 Feb 2023 at 10:08:32 GMT, "Alan B" <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

    For those without a Classic Mac system (e.g. Most of us!) you can try it out using a UTM vm.

    <https://mac.getutm.app/gallery/mac-os-9-2-1>

    https://macos9.app/
    https://system7.app/

    Excellent!

    BTW we're still enjoying RedMonkey coffee :)

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    Cheers, Alan

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  • From Jaimie Vandenbergh@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 16 13:41:14 2023
    On 16 Feb 2023 at 13:22:16 GMT, "Alan B" <Alan B> wrote:

    Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:

    On 16 Feb 2023 at 10:08:32 GMT, "Alan B"
    <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

    For those without a Classic Mac system (e.g. Most of us!) you can try it >>> out using a UTM vm.

    <https://mac.getutm.app/gallery/mac-os-9-2-1>

    https://macos9.app/
    https://system7.app/

    Excellent!

    BTW we're still enjoying RedMonkey coffee :)

    Good innit?

    Cheers - Jaimie
    --
    "People can be educated beyond their intelligence"
    -- Marilyn vos Savant

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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to Jaimie Vandenbergh on Thu Feb 23 09:08:29 2023
    Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:
    On 16 Feb 2023 at 13:22:16 GMT, "Alan B" <Alan B> wrote:

    Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:

    On 16 Feb 2023 at 10:08:32 GMT, "Alan B"
    <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

    For those without a Classic Mac system (e.g. Most of us!) you can try it >>>> out using a UTM vm.

    <https://mac.getutm.app/gallery/mac-os-9-2-1>

    https://macos9.app/
    https://system7.app/

    Excellent!

    BTW we're still enjoying RedMonkey coffee :)

    Good innit?

    Yeah mush!

    Mind you they are dragging their heels at delivering my latest order. I’ve run out of beans now :-(

    --
    Cheers, Alan

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Jaimie Vandenbergh on Fri Feb 24 01:39:11 2023
    On Thu, 16 Feb 2023 13:41:14 -0000, Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:

    On 16 Feb 2023 at 13:22:16 GMT, "Alan B" <Alan B> wrote:

    Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:

    On 16 Feb 2023 at 10:08:32 GMT, "Alan B"
    <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

    For those without a Classic Mac system (e.g. Most of us!) you can try it >>>> out using a UTM vm.

    <https://mac.getutm.app/gallery/mac-os-9-2-1>

    https://macos9.app/
    https://system7.app/

    Excellent!

    BTW we're still enjoying RedMonkey coffee :)

    Good innit?

    Cheers - Jaimie

    OS 9 is not classic. I've used a Mac Classic with I think OS 6. Then a Performa 475 with OS about 7. Then came those horrid see through CRT all in one coloured Imacs with 9. Then they made a tower desktop version, one of which I was transporting
    across my employer's car park on a trolley, on it's side, when I realised the sides are (typically for Apple) not flat. It spun round, slid off and crashed onto the ground and fell apart.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to CK1@nospam.com on Thu Feb 23 20:48:21 2023
    In article <op.10uj7l0jmvhs6z@ryzen.home>, Commander Kinsey
    <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:


    OS 9 is not classic.

    yes it is

    I've used a Mac Classic with I think OS 6. Then a
    Performa 475 with OS about 7.

    those are also classic mac os.

    anything prior to mac os x is classic mac os, from 0.9 through 9.2.

    mac os x 10.0-10.15 11, 12 and future versions are not classic.

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  • From whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Fri Feb 24 05:31:50 2023
    On Friday, 24 February 2023 at 01:39:15 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Thu, 16 Feb 2023 13:41:14 -0000, Jaimie Vandenbergh <jai...@usually.sessile.org> wrote:

    On 16 Feb 2023 at 13:22:16 GMT, "Alan B" <Alan B> wrote:

    Jaimie Vandenbergh <jai...@usually.sessile.org> wrote:

    On 16 Feb 2023 at 10:08:32 GMT, "Alan B"
    <alanrich...@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

    For those without a Classic Mac system (e.g. Most of us!) you can try it >>>> out using a UTM vm.

    <https://mac.getutm.app/gallery/mac-os-9-2-1>

    https://macos9.app/
    https://system7.app/

    Excellent!

    BTW we're still enjoying RedMonkey coffee :)

    Good innit?

    Cheers - Jaimie
    OS 9 is not classic. I've used a Mac Classic with I think OS 6.

    Two different things, the Mac Classic was a computer.
    Te classic OS went up[ to 9.2.2 , well that was the last version I had.

    Then a Performa 475 with OS about 7. Then came those horrid see through CRT all in one coloured Imacs with 9..
    Yep & you could but the early versions of OS X on them.

    Then they made a tower desktop version, one of which I was transporting across my employer's car park on a trolley, on it's side, when I realised the sides are (typically for Apple) not flat.
    well the sides of an Apple aren't flat.

    It spun round, slid off and crashed onto the ground and fell apart.

    That reminds me of the Laurel and hardy sketch when they moved a piano.

    Fools moving things that they haven't the required skills for is always funny.

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