Am I correct in thinking that HLS is the same as Apple’s AAC and there should therefore be no problem?
On 23 Feb 2023, Michael Phillips wrote
(in article<usGfpiklroEmSrYtUusmPvXvAxsYOllh@news.usenet.farm>):
Am I correct in thinking that HLS is the same as Apple’s AAC and there
should therefore be no problem?
Not sure about the HLC vs AAC part, but if you’re Airplaying’ing then all the format conversion will be taken care of for you. Won’t be a problem.
Cheers,
Ian
Was this why TuneIn lost BBC streams a couple(?) of years ago?
On 23 Feb 2023, Michael Phillips wrote
(in article<usGfpiklroEmSrYtUusmPvXvAxsYOllh@news.usenet.farm>):
Am I correct in thinking that HLS is the same as Apple’s AAC and there
should therefore be no problem?
Not sure about the HLC vs AAC part, but if you’re Airplaying’ing then all the format conversion will be taken care of for you. Won’t be a problem.
Cheers,
Ian
On 23 Feb 2023 at 22:16:13 GMT, "Mark" <captain.blackl@gmail.com> wrote:
Was this why TuneIn lost BBC streams a couple(?) of years ago?
That was UK only. This time it's worldwide. The barker message,
broadcast every six hours since last November, says:
“We are making changes to the way BBC live streams are distributed via 3rdparty services and platforms, and the BBC stream you are currently listening to will stop working by mid-2023. If you are using an internet radio or smart speaker and hearing this message, please contact the manufacturer. If you’re listening on web or mobile, this service is available to stream on BBC Sounds”
The BBC Sounds app is not available for MacOS.
On 23 Feb 2023 at 22:16:13 GMT, "Mark" <captain.blackl@gmail.com> wrote:
Was this why TuneIn lost BBC streams a couple(?) of years ago?
That was UK only. This time it's worldwide. The barker message,
broadcast every six hours since last November, says:
“We are making changes to the way BBC live streams are distributed via 3rdparty services and platforms, and the BBC stream you are currently listening to will stop working by mid-2023. If you are using an internet radio or smart speaker and hearing this message, please contact the manufacturer. If you’re listening on web or mobile, this service is available to stream on BBC Sounds”
The BBC Sounds app is not available for MacOS.
Michael Phillips <me@odtaa.com.invalid> wrote:
On 23 Feb 2023 at 22:16:13 GMT, "Mark" <captain.blackl@gmail.com> wrote:
Was this why TuneIn lost BBC streams a couple(?) of years ago?
That was UK only. This time it's worldwide. The barker message,
broadcast every six hours since last November, says:
“We are making changes to the way BBC live streams are distributed via
3rdparty services and platforms, and the BBC stream you are currently
listening to will stop working by mid-2023. If you are using an internet
radio or smart speaker and hearing this message, please contact the
manufacturer. If you’re listening on web or mobile, this service is
available to stream on BBC Sounds”
The BBC Sounds app is not available for MacOS.
Looks like I need to check the f/w version on my Roberts 93i …….
<https://www.robertsradio.com/en-gb/bbc-shoutcast-service>
What I'm wondering is can Apple Music (Catalina) decode the HLS stream?
On 23 Feb 2023 at 22:16:13 GMT, "Mark" <captain.blackl@gmail.com> wrote:
Was this why TuneIn lost BBC streams a couple(?) of years ago?
That was UK only. This time it's worldwide. The barker message,
broadcast every six hours since last November, says:
“We are making changes to the way BBC live streams are distributed via 3rdparty services and platforms, and the BBC stream you are currently listening to will stop working by mid-2023. If you are using an internet radio or smart speaker and hearing this message, please contact the manufacturer. If you’re listening on web or mobile, this service is available to stream on BBC Sounds”
The BBC Sounds app is not available for MacOS.
On 24 Feb 2023 at 08:34:38 GMT, I wrote:
What I'm wondering is can Apple Music (Catalina) decode the HLS stream?
I found the URLs for the BBC's HLS streams and loaded Radio 4 into Music (File: Open
Stream URL...) but it doesn't play. It does play in Safari.
Here's the URL for BBC4 outside the UK:
<http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/nonuk/sbr_low/ak/bbc_radio_fourfm.m3u8>
I'm running Catalina. Anyone care to try if it plays in Music in Big Sur
or Ventura?
On 24/02/2023 15:54, Michael Phillips wrote:
On 24 Feb 2023 at 14:49:50 GMT, "Alan B"Not in Music here.
<alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
On 24 Feb 2023 at 14:37:17 GMT, "Michael Phillips" <me@odtaa.com.invalid> >>> wrote:
Here's the URL for BBC4 outside the UK:
<http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/nonuk/sbr_low/ak/bbc_radio_fourfm.m3u8>
I'm running Catalina. Anyone care to try if it plays in Music in Big Sur >>>> or Ventura?
Works OK on my Ventura system using Safari, here in the UK of course!
Thanks for trying, Alan and David. In Catalina it plays in Safari but
*not* in Music. Could you test it in Music? Ta.
On 24 Feb 2023 at 14:37:17 GMT, "Michael Phillips" <me@odtaa.com.invalid> wrote:
Here's the URL for BBC4 outside the UK:
<http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/nonuk/sbr_low/ak/bbc_radio_fourfm.m3u8>
I'm running Catalina. Anyone care to try if it plays in Music in Big Sur
or Ventura?
Works OK on my Ventura system using Safari, here in the UK of course!
On 24 Feb 2023 at 14:37:17 GMT, "Michael Phillips" <me@odtaa.com.invalid> wrote:
On 24 Feb 2023 at 08:34:38 GMT, I wrote:
What I'm wondering is can Apple Music (Catalina) decode the HLS stream?
I found the URLs for the BBC's HLS streams and loaded Radio 4 into Music
(File: Open
Stream URL...) but it doesn't play. It does play in Safari.
Here's the URL for BBC4 outside the UK:
<http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/nonuk/sbr_low/ak/bbc_radio_fourfm.m3u8>
I'm running Catalina. Anyone care to try if it plays in Music in Big Sur
or Ventura?
Works OK on my Ventura system using Safari, here in the UK of course!
On 24 Feb 2023 at 14:49:50 GMT, "Alan B" <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
On 24 Feb 2023 at 14:37:17 GMT, "Michael Phillips" <me@odtaa.com.invalid>
wrote:
Here's the URL for BBC4 outside the UK:
<http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/nonuk/sbr_low/ak/bbc_radio_fourfm.m3u8>
I'm running Catalina. Anyone care to try if it plays in Music in Big Sur >>> or Ventura?
Works OK on my Ventura system using Safari, here in the UK of course!
Thanks for trying, Alan and David. In Catalina it plays in Safari but
*not* in Music. Could you test it in Music? Ta.
And, I always preferred SoundJam anyway!
On 24/02/2023 14:49, Alan B wrote:
On 24 Feb 2023 at 14:37:17 GMT, "Michael Phillips" <me@odtaa.com.invalid>Ditto, Ventura and M1 Macbook.
wrote:
On 24 Feb 2023 at 08:34:38 GMT, I wrote:
What I'm wondering is can Apple Music (Catalina) decode the HLS stream? >>>I found the URLs for the BBC's HLS streams and loaded Radio 4 into Music >>> (File: Open
Stream URL...) but it doesn't play. It does play in Safari.
Here's the URL for BBC4 outside the UK:
<http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/nonuk/sbr_low/ak/bbc_radio_fourfm.m3u8>
I'm running Catalina. Anyone care to try if it plays in Music in Big Sur >>> or Ventura?
Works OK on my Ventura system using Safari, here in the UK of course!
Wouldn't do it with Firefox though. Just went round in circles opening new windows then asking what to do...
On 24/02/2023 16:08, David Kennedy wrote:
On 24/02/2023 15:54, Michael Phillips wrote:
On 24 Feb 2023 at 14:49:50 GMT, "Alan B"Not in Music here.
<alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
On 24 Feb 2023 at 14:37:17 GMT, "Michael Phillips" <me@odtaa.com.invalid> >>>> wrote:
Here's the URL for BBC4 outside the UK:
<http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/nonuk/sbr_low/ak/bbc_radio_fourfm.m3u8>
I'm running Catalina. Anyone care to try if it plays in Music in Big Sur >>>>> or Ventura?
Works OK on my Ventura system using Safari, here in the UK of course!
Thanks for trying, Alan and David. In Catalina it plays in Safari but
*not* in Music. Could you test it in Music? Ta.
It was a sad day when iTunes vanished...
And, I always preferred SoundJam anyway!
The BBC Sounds app is not available for MacOS.
Thanks for trying, Alan and David. In Catalina it plays in Safari but
*not* in Music. Could you test it in Music? Ta.
<div id="editor" contenteditable="false">For internetradio I´m using "Broadcasts" since iTunes is no more.
http://as-hls-ww-live.akamaized.net/pool_904/live/ww/bbc_radio_fourfm/bbc_radio_fourfm.isml/bbc_radio_fourfm-audio%3d96000.norewind.m3u8
Works.
On 24 Feb 2023, Michael Phillips wrote
(in article<KjTeXRraITWHUqThNOlFAFKVGJjAqTUx@news.usenet.farm>):
The BBC Sounds app is not available for MacOS.
...and not on HomePods either. Really irritating, this obsession with BBC Sounds. They’re actually less open than the proprietary stations.
On 23 Feb 2023 at 22:16:13 GMT, "Mark" <captain.blackl@gmail.com> wrote:
Was this why TuneIn lost BBC streams a couple(?) of years ago?
That was UK only. This time it's worldwide. The barker message,
broadcast every six hours since last November, says:
“We are making changes to the way BBC live streams are distributed via 3rdparty services and platforms, and the BBC stream you are currently listening to will stop working by mid-2023. If you are using an internet radio or smart speaker and hearing this message, please contact the manufacturer. If you’re listening on web or mobile, this service is available to stream on BBC Sounds”
The BBC Sounds app is not available for MacOS.
On 24 Feb 2023 at 08:48:23 GMT, Michael Phillips wrote:
On 23 Feb 2023 at 22:16:13 GMT, "Mark" <captain.blackl@gmail.com> wrote:
Was this why TuneIn lost BBC streams a couple(?) of years ago?
That was UK only. This time it's worldwide. The barker message,
broadcast every six hours since last November, says:
“We are making changes to the way BBC live streams are distributed via
3rdparty services and platforms, and the BBC stream you are currently
listening to will stop working by mid-2023. If you are using an internet
radio or smart speaker and hearing this message, please contact the
manufacturer. If you’re listening on web or mobile, this service is
available to stream on BBC Sounds”
The BBC Sounds app is not available for MacOS.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds no good?
On 2023-02-24 16:09:48 +0000, David Kennedy said:
On 24/02/2023 16:08, David Kennedy wrote:
On 24/02/2023 15:54, Michael Phillips wrote:
On 24 Feb 2023 at 14:49:50 GMT, "Alan B"Not in Music here.
<alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
On 24 Feb 2023 at 14:37:17 GMT, "Michael Phillips" <me@odtaa.com.invalid> >>>>> wrote:Thanks for trying, Alan and David. In Catalina it plays in Safari but
Here's the URL for BBC4 outside the UK:
<http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/nonuk/sbr_low/ak/bbc_radio_fourfm.m3u8>
I'm running Catalina. Anyone care to try if it plays in Music in Big Sur >>>>>> or Ventura?
Works OK on my Ventura system using Safari, here in the UK of course! >>>>
*not* in Music. Could you test it in Music? Ta.
It was a sad day when iTunes vanished...
And, I always preferred SoundJam anyway!
You can run iTunes on Ventura with Retroactive apparently... <https://github.com/cormiertyshawn895/Retroactive>
David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:
On 24/02/2023 14:49, Alan B wrote:
On 24 Feb 2023 at 14:37:17 GMT, "Michael Phillips" <me@odtaa.com.invalid> >>> wrote:Ditto, Ventura and M1 Macbook.
On 24 Feb 2023 at 08:34:38 GMT, I wrote:
What I'm wondering is can Apple Music (Catalina) decode the HLS stream? >>>>I found the URLs for the BBC's HLS streams and loaded Radio 4 into Music >>>> (File: Open
Stream URL...) but it doesn't play. It does play in Safari.
Here's the URL for BBC4 outside the UK:
<http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/nonuk/sbr_low/ak/bbc_radio_fourfm.m3u8>
I'm running Catalina. Anyone care to try if it plays in Music in Big Sur >>>> or Ventura?
Works OK on my Ventura system using Safari, here in the UK of course!
Wouldn't do it with Firefox though. Just went round in circles opening new >> windows then asking what to do...
<https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/native-mpeg-dash-hls-playback/>
Haven’t tried it as I don’t use FF much these days.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds no good?
On 26 Feb 2023 at 05:10:26 GMT, "RJH" <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds no good?
Yes but Airplay from Safari (Catalina) isn't simple. It involves opening
the Sound pref pane, selecting the Airplay device and not forgetting to deselect Airplay when finished.
On 25/02/2023 11:26, Mark wrote:
On 2023-02-24 16:09:48 +0000, David Kennedy said:
On 24/02/2023 16:08, David Kennedy wrote:
On 24/02/2023 15:54, Michael Phillips wrote:
On 24 Feb 2023 at 14:49:50 GMT, "Alan B"Not in Music here.
<alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
On 24 Feb 2023 at 14:37:17 GMT, "Michael Phillips" <me@odtaa.com.invalid>Thanks for trying, Alan and David. In Catalina it plays in Safari but >>>>> *not* in Music. Could you test it in Music? Ta.
wrote:
Here's the URL for BBC4 outside the UK:
<http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/nonuk/sbr_low/ak/bbc_radio_fourfm.m3u8>
I'm running Catalina. Anyone care to try if it plays in Music in Big Sur
or Ventura?
Works OK on my Ventura system using Safari, here in the UK of course! >>>>>
It was a sad day when iTunes vanished...
And, I always preferred SoundJam anyway!
You can run iTunes on Ventura with Retroactive apparently...
<https://github.com/cormiertyshawn895/Retroactive>
Have you tried it?
I'm running Catalina. Anyone care to try if it plays in Music in Big Sur
or Ventura?
On 24/02/2023 14:37, Michael Phillips wrote:
I'm running Catalina. Anyone care to try if it plays in Music in Big Sur
or Ventura?
Doesn't play for me in Ventura either (but still plays in Safari).
On 27 Feb 2023 at 08:41:11 GMT, Michael Phillips wrote:
On 26 Feb 2023 at 23:42:14 GMT, "Calum"
<com.gmail@nospam.scottishwildcat> wrote:
On 24/02/2023 14:37, Michael Phillips wrote:
I'm running Catalina. Anyone care to try if it plays in Music in Big Sur >>>> or Ventura?
Doesn't play for me in Ventura either (but still plays in Safari).
Thanks to all for the testing. It's hopeless. I despair.
It really is - never looked at Music up close before. I'm amazed Apple let it go on - perhaps radio works a lot better in other countries?
On 26 Feb 2023 at 23:42:14 GMT, "Calum"
<com.gmail@nospam.scottishwildcat> wrote:
On 24/02/2023 14:37, Michael Phillips wrote:
I'm running Catalina. Anyone care to try if it plays in Music in Big Sur >>> or Ventura?
Doesn't play for me in Ventura either (but still plays in Safari).
Thanks to all for the testing. It's hopeless. I despair.
On 27/02/2023 12:36, RJH wrote:
On 27 Feb 2023 at 08:41:11 GMT, Michael Phillips wrote:
On 26 Feb 2023 at 23:42:14 GMT, "Calum"
<com.gmail@nospam.scottishwildcat> wrote:
On 24/02/2023 14:37, Michael Phillips wrote:
I'm running Catalina. Anyone care to try if it plays in Music in Big Sur >>>>> or Ventura?
Doesn't play for me in Ventura either (but still plays in Safari).
Thanks to all for the testing. It's hopeless. I despair.
It really is - never looked at Music up close before. I'm amazed Apple let it
go on - perhaps radio works a lot better in other countries?
What seems to be your problem?
Are you paying your 'Music' subscription?
On 27 Feb 2023 at 13:05:59 GMT, dgb wrote:
On 27/02/2023 12:36, RJH wrote:Very limited radio selection. It's also rubbish at playing music from a NAS - or more accurately compiling a library.
On 27 Feb 2023 at 08:41:11 GMT, Michael Phillips wrote:
On 26 Feb 2023 at 23:42:14 GMT, "Calum"
<com.gmail@nospam.scottishwildcat> wrote:
On 24/02/2023 14:37, Michael Phillips wrote:
I'm running Catalina. Anyone care to try if it plays in Music in Big Sur >>>>>> or Ventura?
Doesn't play for me in Ventura either (but still plays in Safari).
Thanks to all for the testing. It's hopeless. I despair.
It really is - never looked at Music up close before. I'm amazed Apple let it
go on - perhaps radio works a lot better in other countries?
What seems to be your problem?
Are you paying your 'Music' subscription?
I don't subscribe. I had hoped it could simply play my selection of BBC radio station.
No but you can still use it via a web browser. However that is not really what the OP was concerned about. It looks like he’ll need to purchase another radio if he still wants a stand-alone solution.
Michael Phillips <me@odtaa.com.invalid> wrote:
On 23 Feb 2023 at 22:16:13 GMT, "Mark" <captain.blackl@gmail.com> wrote:
Was this why TuneIn lost BBC streams a couple(?) of years ago?
That was UK only. This time it's worldwide. The barker message,
broadcast every six hours since last November, says:
“We are making changes to the way BBC live streams are distributed via
3rdparty services and platforms, and the BBC stream you are currently
listening to will stop working by mid-2023. If you are using an internet
radio or smart speaker and hearing this message, please contact the
manufacturer. If you’re listening on web or mobile, this service is
available to stream on BBC Sounds”
The BBC Sounds app is not available for MacOS.
Does the ios sounds app work on Silicon Macs?
On 2023-02-26 08:59:56 +0000, David Kennedy said:
On 25/02/2023 11:26, Mark wrote:
On 2023-02-24 16:09:48 +0000, David Kennedy said:
On 24/02/2023 16:08, David Kennedy wrote:
On 24/02/2023 15:54, Michael Phillips wrote:
On 24 Feb 2023 at 14:49:50 GMT, "Alan B"Not in Music here.
<alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
On 24 Feb 2023 at 14:37:17 GMT, "Michael Phillips" <me@odtaa.com.invalid>Thanks for trying, Alan and David. In Catalina it plays in Safari but >>>>>> *not* in Music. Could you test it in Music? Ta.
wrote:
Here's the URL for BBC4 outside the UK:
<http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/nonuk/sbr_low/ak/bbc_radio_fourfm.m3u8>
I'm running Catalina. Anyone care to try if it plays in Music in Big Sur
or Ventura?
Works OK on my Ventura system using Safari, here in the UK of course! >>>>>>
It was a sad day when iTunes vanished...
And, I always preferred SoundJam anyway!
You can run iTunes on Ventura with Retroactive apparently...
<https://github.com/cormiertyshawn895/Retroactive>
Have you tried it?
Just installed it now on a 2012 MBA with Catalina. Very straightforward install & took 20/25 minutes (mostly waiting while it 'did its thing'). Finished and launched fine. Unfortunately I don't have any music on this laptop though.
On 26/02/2023 12:12, Mark wrote:
On 2023-02-26 08:59:56 +0000, David Kennedy said:
On 25/02/2023 11:26, Mark wrote:
You can run iTunes on Ventura with Retroactive apparently...
<https://github.com/cormiertyshawn895/Retroactive>
Have you tried it?
Just installed it now on a 2012 MBA with Catalina. Very straightforward
install & took 20/25 minutes (mostly waiting while it 'did its thing').
Finished and launched fine. Unfortunately I don't have any music on this
laptop though.
Perhaps I'll save that for a rainy day.
Presumably you can’t use BBC Sounds abroad unless you try to cheat using some VPN based ruse?
On 28 Feb 2023 at 07:20:40 GMT, "Alan B" <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
Presumably you can’t use BBC Sounds abroad unless you try to cheat using >> some VPN based ruse?
You *can* use BBC Sounds abroad. I'm abroad in Ireland. The live radio stations are censored though. Many live sports events (Radio 5) cannot
be broadcast due to rights restrictions and I have noticed censorship inexplicably sneaking into Radio 4 for non-sports broadcasts.
Re: sports - I'm sure I've listened to footy commentary on the BBC World Service on HF (despite the QRM, QRN and QSB). But then you can still receive them on BBC UK stations, so maybe that's still possible?
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