• iphone - 3rd party screen replacement / battery impact?

    From jeremy@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 14 08:25:01 2023
    Dropped my phone (11 pro) Friday - wallet-type cover - but it flipped open and the phone landed face down in a gritty car park.

    Apple cost is £289

    Popped into the local town and paid the inpdependent £90 for a 3rd party repair. Very neat, all seemed fine but... I have immediately noticed that the battery is draining far more quickly than it did before - needing a charge late-afternoon - never needed to do that before.

    Looking at the battery usage graphs which shows usage against battery charge and it's clear that the pattern of energy consumption changed significantly from that point.

    Does this sound plausible?




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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to jeremy on Tue Mar 14 09:26:52 2023
    jeremy <jeremy0505@gmail.com> wrote:
    Dropped my phone (11 pro) Friday - wallet-type cover - but it flipped open and
    the phone landed face down in a gritty car park.

    Apple cost is £289

    Popped into the local town and paid the inpdependent £90 for a 3rd party repair. Very neat, all seemed fine but... I have immediately noticed that the battery is draining far more quickly than it did before - needing a charge late-afternoon - never needed to do that before.

    Looking at the battery usage graphs which shows usage against battery charge and it's clear that the pattern of energy consumption changed significantly from that point.

    Does this sound plausible?

    Probably over the top but you could try backing up the iPhone and then do a factory reset and see if the drain persists.

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 14 10:50:28 2023
    Am 14.03.23 um 09:25 schrieb jeremy:
    Dropped my phone (11 pro) Friday - wallet-type cover - but it flipped open and
    the phone landed face down in a gritty car park.

    Apple cost is £289

    Popped into the local town and paid the inpdependent £90 for a 3rd party repair. Very neat, all seemed fine but... I have immediately noticed that the battery is draining far more quickly than it did before - needing a charge late-afternoon - never needed to do that before.

    Looking at the battery usage graphs which shows usage against battery charge and it's clear that the pattern of energy consumption changed significantly from that point.

    Does this sound plausible?

    Very much so. £290 vs £90 says a lot.
    The screen is the component with the highest energy consumption of a smartphone.

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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to Joerg Lorenz on Tue Mar 14 12:43:27 2023
    Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
    Am 14.03.23 um 09:25 schrieb jeremy:
    Dropped my phone (11 pro) Friday - wallet-type cover - but it flipped open and
    the phone landed face down in a gritty car park.

    Apple cost is £289

    Popped into the local town and paid the inpdependent £90 for a 3rd party
    repair. Very neat, all seemed fine but... I have immediately noticed that the
    battery is draining far more quickly than it did before - needing a charge >> late-afternoon - never needed to do that before.

    Looking at the battery usage graphs which shows usage against battery charge >> and it's clear that the pattern of energy consumption changed significantly >> from that point.

    Does this sound plausible?

    Very much so. £290 vs £90 says a lot.
    The screen is the component with the highest energy consumption of a smartphone.

    Just found this :-(

    <https://www.quora.com/I-had-my-iPhone-screen-replaced-not-by-Apple-and-now-my-battery-drains-a-lot-faster-Has-the-battery-been-replaced>

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  • From jeremy@21:1/5 to Joerg Lorenz on Tue Mar 14 14:36:26 2023
    On 14 Mar 2023 at 09:50:28 GMT, "Joerg Lorenz" <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:

    Am 14.03.23 um 09:25 schrieb jeremy:
    Dropped my phone (11 pro) Friday - wallet-type cover - but it flipped open and
    the phone landed face down in a gritty car park.

    Apple cost is £289

    Popped into the local town and paid the inpdependent £90 for a 3rd party
    repair. Very neat, all seemed fine but... I have immediately noticed that the
    battery is draining far more quickly than it did before - needing a charge >> late-afternoon - never needed to do that before.

    Looking at the battery usage graphs which shows usage against battery charge >> and it's clear that the pattern of energy consumption changed significantly >> from that point.

    Does this sound plausible?

    Very much so. £290 vs £90 says a lot.
    The screen is the component with the highest energy consumption of a smartphone.

    Live and learn I suppose...
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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to Joerg Lorenz on Tue Mar 14 15:36:37 2023
    Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
    Very much so. £290 vs £90 says a lot.
    The screen is the component with the highest energy consumption of a smartphone.

    There are some suspiciously cheap £40 screens on ebay [1]. It sounds plausible that a shop charging £90 would have fitted one of those.

    ifixit [2] points out that those are LCD, whereas the 11 Pro has an OLED display. So effectively they've replaced an expensive screen with a cheaper screen using an entirely different technology. In particular, OLED doesn't take any power when pixels are off, whereas for LCD the power consumption mostly depends on the backlight brightness.

    That said, replacing with the official screen looks particularly
    hair-raising without access to the special Apple software to bless the new display [3].

    Theo

    [1] https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/154556736935
    [2] https://www.ifixit.com/Answers/View/724222/battery+dying+quickly+after+ifixit+screen+replacement+11+pro+max
    [3] https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/iPhone+11+Series+Non-Genuine+Screen+Warning-Important+Display+Message+-+100%25+Fix/135680

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  • From jeremy@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 14 22:19:48 2023
    On 14 Mar 2023 at 15:36:37 GMT, "Theo" <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

    So effectively they've replaced an expensive screen with a cheaper
    screen using an entirely different technology. In particular, OLED doesn't take any power when pixels are off, whereas for LCD the power consumption mostly depends on the backlight brightness.

    Yep that's what I was informed of today when I went the genius bar @ Basingstoke today - they ran diagnostics etc and found everything to be in OK shape (except the screen)...


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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 15 06:55:56 2023
    Am 14.03.23 um 23:19 schrieb jeremy:
    On 14 Mar 2023 at 15:36:37 GMT, "Theo" <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

    So effectively they've replaced an expensive screen with a cheaper
    screen using an entirely different technology. In particular, OLED doesn't >> take any power when pixels are off, whereas for LCD the power consumption
    mostly depends on the backlight brightness.

    Yep that's what I was informed of today when I went the genius bar @ Basingstoke today - they ran diagnostics etc and found everything to be in OK shape (except the screen)...

    Not really a surprise. What are you gonna do?

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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to Joerg Lorenz on Wed Mar 15 13:12:16 2023
    Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
    Am 14.03.23 um 23:19 schrieb jeremy:
    On 14 Mar 2023 at 15:36:37 GMT, "Theo" <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

    So effectively they've replaced an expensive screen with a cheaper
    screen using an entirely different technology. In particular, OLED doesn't
    take any power when pixels are off, whereas for LCD the power consumption >> mostly depends on the backlight brightness.

    Yep that's what I was informed of today when I went the genius bar @ Basingstoke today - they ran diagnostics etc and found everything to be in OK
    shape (except the screen)...

    Not really a surprise. What are you gonna do?

    One option is a battery case like one of these: https://www.amazon.co.uk/MOPHIE-Juice-Pack-iPhone-Black/dp/B084D29WRR/

    I've just bought one for an 8 Plus - they don't sell an 8 Plus version but
    the 11 Pro Max version fits with a few trims of the rubber.

    It's basically a wireless Qi charger with battery integrated into the case.
    You charge up the case via the USB C port and then, when your phone is
    getting low, you press the button on the case and it charges the phone wirelessly. When you plug in the USB-C it charges both the phone and the
    case together. The Lightning port remains available if you want to use that
    as well.

    My main reason was to be able to charge my phone via USB-C not Lightning,
    but the battery is a nice boost when you're running low. There are other battery cases with Lightning connections, but this is a USB-C one. Some of
    the ones that pass through the Lightning (ie not relying on wireless
    charging) are more efficient and have longer battery life.

    Theo

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  • From jeremy@21:1/5 to Joerg Lorenz on Thu Mar 16 14:21:23 2023
    On 15 Mar 2023 at 05:55:56 GMT, "Joerg Lorenz" <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:

    Am 14.03.23 um 23:19 schrieb jeremy:
    On 14 Mar 2023 at 15:36:37 GMT, "Theo" <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> >> wrote:

    So effectively they've replaced an expensive screen with a cheaper
    screen using an entirely different technology. In particular, OLED doesn't >>> take any power when pixels are off, whereas for LCD the power consumption >>> mostly depends on the backlight brightness.

    Yep that's what I was informed of today when I went the genius bar @
    Basingstoke today - they ran diagnostics etc and found everything to be in OK
    shape (except the screen)...

    Not really a surprise. What are you gonna do?

    Well the local supplier who fitted the screen agreed to refund me if I
    returned the screen. So I had intended to just get Apple to replace the screen and return the current screen to me so I can give it to the guy for my refund. But, oh no, Apple policy means they simply won't give you the old screen back (only disks) - so I would be paying 289 to Apple and wouldn't be able to get the refund (so total cost of a moment's carelessness now £380...) - and so potentially a trade-on or private sale and buy a new (or perhaps refurb) phone would be an approach.

    But instead I contacted another well-regarded Apple (local) specialist who is Apple Certified and who for £150 would put on a genuine Apple screen and return the current screen to me for me to get my refund. All of which has now come to pass.

    Fingers crossed, the new display appears to be OK :)



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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 16 18:00:04 2023
    Am 16.03.23 um 15:21 schrieb jeremy:
    On 15 Mar 2023 at 05:55:56 GMT, "Joerg Lorenz" <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
    Not really a surprise. What are you gonna do?

    Well the local supplier who fitted the screen agreed to refund me if I returned the screen. So I had intended to just get Apple to replace the screen
    and return the current screen to me so I can give it to the guy for my refund.
    But, oh no, Apple policy means they simply won't give you the old screen back (only disks) - so I would be paying 289 to Apple and wouldn't be able to get the refund (so total cost of a moment's carelessness now £380...) - and so potentially a trade-on or private sale and buy a new (or perhaps refurb) phone
    would be an approach.

    But instead I contacted another well-regarded Apple (local) specialist who is Apple Certified and who for £150 would put on a genuine Apple screen and return the current screen to me for me to get my refund. All of which has now come to pass.

    Fingers crossed, the new display appears to be OK :)

    🤞🏻

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  • From whisky-dave@21:1/5 to jeremy on Fri Mar 17 06:26:06 2023
    On Thursday, 16 March 2023 at 14:21:28 UTC, jeremy wrote:
    On 15 Mar 2023 at 05:55:56 GMT, "Joerg Lorenz" <hugy...@gmx.ch> wrote:

    Am 14.03.23 um 23:19 schrieb jeremy:
    On 14 Mar 2023 at 15:36:37 GMT, "Theo" <theom...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> >> wrote:

    So effectively they've replaced an expensive screen with a cheaper
    screen using an entirely different technology. In particular, OLED doesn't
    take any power when pixels are off, whereas for LCD the power consumption
    mostly depends on the backlight brightness.

    Yep that's what I was informed of today when I went the genius bar @
    Basingstoke today - they ran diagnostics etc and found everything to be in OK
    shape (except the screen)...

    Not really a surprise. What are you gonna do?
    Well the local supplier who fitted the screen agreed to refund me if I returned the screen.

    So what have you gained from this ?
    You have had an out of action for for how long is all I can think of.
    Is that a good deal ?


    So I had intended to just get Apple to replace the screen
    and return the current screen to me so I can give it to the guy for my refund.
    But, oh no, Apple policy means they simply won't give you the old screen back
    (only disks)

    could be because they don't want fake crap screens on the market and people calling them Apple screens.

    - so I would be paying 289 to Apple and wouldn't be able to get
    the refund (so total cost of a moment's carelessness now £380...) - and so potentially a trade-on or private sale and buy a new (or perhaps refurb) phone
    would be an approach.

    Shouldn't go to a dodgy repair person then.


    But instead I contacted another well-regarded Apple (local) specialist who is
    Apple Certified and who for £150 would put on a genuine Apple screen

    So the original wasn't a genuine Apple screen, which could be why you didn't get the performance you expected.

    return the current screen to me for me to get my refund. All of which has now
    come to pass.

    why would you want a faulty screen back?


    Fingers crossed, the new display appears to be OK :)

    Yep.




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