• Re: Temporarily disabling ethernet connection

    From nospam@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 23 09:41:26 2023
    In article <tvhjk8$15god$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    While dealing with my intermittent broadband issues - now fixed - I often needed to jump onto my mobile hotspot from my phone. However, the only way
    I could get it to work was to physically remove the ethernet cable as a
    wired connection is favoured over wifi if both are "available".

    This was particularly awkward as I use my monitor as a USB hub to my MBP
    and the cable is attached to the back of it.

    Is there a way to toggle the ethernet connection in System Preferences? I can't find one.

    change the service order so that wifi has priority.

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 23 13:19:04 2023
    While dealing with my intermittent broadband issues - now fixed - I often needed to jump onto my mobile hotspot from my phone. However, the only way
    I could get it to work was to physically remove the ethernet cable as a
    wired connection is favoured over wifi if both are "available".

    This was particularly awkward as I use my monitor as a USB hub to my MBP
    and the cable is attached to the back of it.

    Is there a way to toggle the ethernet connection in System Preferences? I
    can't find one.

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  • From Andy Hewitt@21:1/5 to Chris on Thu Mar 23 15:59:31 2023
    On 23/03/2023 13:19, Chris wrote:


    While dealing with my intermittent broadband issues - now fixed - I often needed to jump onto my mobile hotspot from my phone. However, the only way
    I could get it to work was to physically remove the ethernet cable as a
    wired connection is favoured over wifi if both are "available".

    This was particularly awkward as I use my monitor as a USB hub to my MBP
    and the cable is attached to the back of it.

    Is there a way to toggle the ethernet connection in System Preferences? I can't find one.

    If you need to switch back and forth, try setting up two 'Locations' in
    Network settings, and set one for WiFi and one for Ethernet (remove or
    add services as needed), then you just need to switch the Location setting.


    --
    Andy H

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  • From Martin S Taylor@21:1/5 to Chris on Thu Mar 23 15:28:13 2023
    On 23 Mar 2023, Chris wrote
    (in article <tvhjk8$15god$1@dont-email.me>):

    Is there a way to toggle the ethernet connection in System Preferences? I can't find one.

    System Settings > Network > Ethernet > Make Inactive

    MST

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to thewildrover@icloud.com on Thu Mar 23 12:09:10 2023
    In article <tvht13$175bd$1@dont-email.me>, Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:


    If you need to switch back and forth, try setting up two 'Locations' in Network settings, and set one for WiFi and one for Ethernet (remove or
    add services as needed), then you just need to switch the Location setting.

    location has been removed in ventura.

    based on his post, he's not using ventura (yet), so that method will
    have a limited timeframe.

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to nospam on Thu Mar 23 19:00:29 2023
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <tvhjk8$15god$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    While dealing with my intermittent broadband issues - now fixed - I often
    needed to jump onto my mobile hotspot from my phone. However, the only way >> I could get it to work was to physically remove the ethernet cable as a
    wired connection is favoured over wifi if both are "available".

    This was particularly awkward as I use my monitor as a USB hub to my MBP
    and the cable is attached to the back of it.

    Is there a way to toggle the ethernet connection in System Preferences? I
    can't find one.

    change the service order so that wifi has priority.


    Thanks

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to Martin S Taylor on Thu Mar 23 19:00:29 2023
    Martin S Taylor <correspondence@mRaErMtOiVnEsTtHaIySlor.com> wrote:
    On 23 Mar 2023, Chris wrote
    (in article <tvhjk8$15god$1@dont-email.me>):

    Is there a way to toggle the ethernet connection in System Preferences? I
    can't find one.

    System Settings > Network > Ethernet > Make Inactive

    Don't have that option.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 23 15:11:23 2023
    In article <tvi7kd$190nl$2@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    Is there a way to toggle the ethernet connection in System Preferences? I >> can't find one.

    System Settings > Network > Ethernet > Make Inactive

    Don't have that option.

    yes you do.

    system preferences>network, select the network on the left, click the
    popup menu below the list and choose make service inactive.

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to nospam on Thu Mar 23 22:31:45 2023
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <tvi7kd$190nl$2@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    Is there a way to toggle the ethernet connection in System Preferences? I >>>> can't find one.

    System Settings > Network > Ethernet > Make Inactive

    Don't have that option.

    yes you do.

    system preferences>network, select the network on the left, click the
    popup menu below the list and choose make service inactive.

    A-ha!

    Why isn't there a right-click menu? Hiding everything under a different
    menu is confusing.

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to nospam on Thu Mar 23 22:34:05 2023
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <tvi7kd$190nl$3@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    Been putting off Ventura.

    wise choice.

    Maybe something to look forward to this
    weekend...

    only if you like pain.

    Why? Specifically.

    I know about the new System Preferences which looks awful.

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  • From Andy Hewitt@21:1/5 to Chris on Thu Mar 23 22:24:51 2023
    On 23/03/2023 19:00, Chris wrote:
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <tvht13$175bd$1@dont-email.me>, Andy Hewitt
    <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:


    If you need to switch back and forth, try setting up two 'Locations' in
    Network settings, and set one for WiFi and one for Ethernet (remove or
    add services as needed), then you just need to switch the Location setting. >>
    location has been removed in ventura.

    No, it hasn't.

    based on his post, he's not using ventura (yet), so that method will
    have a limited timeframe.

    Been putting off Ventura. Maybe something to look forward to this
    weekend...

    It's there still. It's just been changed. Go to Network Preferences,
    'Other Services' section, then click the three dots menu.

    --
    Andy H

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to thewildrover@icloud.com on Thu Mar 23 18:52:18 2023
    In article <tvijjj$1b01q$1@dont-email.me>, Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:


    location has been removed in ventura.

    No, it hasn't.

    <https://www.macrumors.com/2022/08/12/apple-removes-network-locations-ma cos-ventura/>
    In addition to redesigning the System Settings app on macOS Ventura,
    Apple has removed the app's longstanding Network Locations feature,
    as noted by Jason Snell at Six Colors. The feature allowed users to
    quickly switch between different sets of Wi-Fi, Ethernet, and other
    network settings depending on their location, such as home or work.

    apparently it was restored in 13.1.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 23 18:52:20 2023
    In article <tvik0h$1b311$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    Is there a way to toggle the ethernet connection in System Preferences? I
    can't find one.

    System Settings > Network > Ethernet > Make Inactive

    Don't have that option.

    yes you do.

    system preferences>network, select the network on the left, click the
    popup menu below the list and choose make service inactive.

    A-ha!

    Why isn't there a right-click menu?

    because there's no need for it.

    Hiding everything under a different
    menu is confusing.

    much better to be in a visible button (even if it's a cryptic icon)
    versus hiding in a contextual menu.

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 24 00:19:17 2023
    Am 23.03.23 um 20:00 schrieb Chris:
    Martin S Taylor <correspondence@mRaErMtOiVnEsTtHaIySlor.com> wrote:
    On 23 Mar 2023, Chris wrote
    (in article <tvhjk8$15god$1@dont-email.me>):

    Is there a way to toggle the ethernet connection in System Preferences? I >>> can't find one.

    System Settings > Network > Ethernet > Make Inactive

    Don't have that option.

    You have.

    --
    Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 24 00:21:44 2023
    Am 23.03.23 um 20:11 schrieb nospam:
    In article <tvi7kd$190nl$3@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    Been putting off Ventura.

    wise choice.

    Maybe something to look forward to this
    weekend...

    only if you like pain.

    This is bullshit as long as you are not specific. Really nospam-style.

    --
    Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

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  • From Andy Hewitt@21:1/5 to nospam on Fri Mar 24 05:38:08 2023
    On 23/03/2023 22:52, nospam wrote:
    In article <tvijjj$1b01q$1@dont-email.me>, Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:


    location has been removed in ventura.

    No, it hasn't.

    <https://www.macrumors.com/2022/08/12/apple-removes-network-locations-ma cos-ventura/>
    In addition to redesigning the System Settings app on macOS Ventura,
    Apple has removed the app's longstanding Network Locations feature,
    as noted by Jason Snell at Six Colors. The feature allowed users to
    quickly switch between different sets of Wi-Fi, Ethernet, and other
    network settings depending on their location, such as home or work.

    So that's about the Beta version! That has little interest for me, for
    this very reason - i.e. the fact that features may become buggy, be
    removed, or re-added at any time.

    apparently it was restored in 13.1.

    No idea, I've never noticed it was missing, and I use the feature
    sometimes (pretty much for the very purposes of this thread). All my old existing location settings remained, and carried over from previous OSs.

    So, no, it has not been removed. It perhaps *had* been removed, or
    rather more probably simply disabled. But it's most definitely there now.

    --
    Andy H

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  • From Bernd Froehlich@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 24 08:16:12 2023
    On 23. Mar 2023 at 16:59:31 CET, "Andy Hewitt" <thewildrover@icloud.com>
    wrote:

    On 23/03/2023 13:19, Chris wrote:


    While dealing with my intermittent broadband issues - now fixed - I often
    needed to jump onto my mobile hotspot from my phone. However, the only way >> I could get it to work was to physically remove the ethernet cable as a
    wired connection is favoured over wifi if both are "available".

    You could simply adjust the preferences so that Wifi is preferred over Ethernet.

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  • From David Sankey@21:1/5 to Andy Hewitt on Fri Mar 24 09:23:25 2023
    On 24/03/2023 05:38, Andy Hewitt wrote:
    On 23/03/2023 22:52, nospam wrote:
    In article <tvijjj$1b01q$1@dont-email.me>, Andy Hewitt
    <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:


    location has been removed in ventura.

    No, it hasn't.

    <https://www.macrumors.com/2022/08/12/apple-removes-network-locations-ma
    cos-ventura/>
       In addition to redesigning the System Settings app on macOS Ventura,
       Apple has removed the app's longstanding Network Locations feature,
       as noted by Jason Snell at Six Colors. The feature allowed users to
       quickly switch between different sets of Wi-Fi, Ethernet, and other
       network settings depending on their location, such as home or work.

    So that's about the Beta version! That has little interest for me, for
    this very reason - i.e. the fact that features may become buggy, be
    removed, or re-added at any time.

    apparently it was restored in 13.1.

    No idea, I've never noticed it was missing, and I use the feature
    sometimes (pretty much for the very purposes of this thread). All my old existing location settings remained, and carried over from previous OSs.

    So, no, it has not been removed. It perhaps *had* been removed, or
    rather more probably simply disabled. But it's most definitely there now.
    Agreed.

    I have just upgraded to Ventura 13.2.1 and have a number of locations
    defined (including "Prefer WiFi" for the reasons in this thread...) and
    they all still work.

    D

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to thewildrover@icloud.com on Fri Mar 24 09:11:22 2023
    In article <tvjd00$1hok3$1@dont-email.me>, Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:

    So, no, it has not been removed. It perhaps *had* been removed, or
    rather more probably simply disabled. But it's most definitely there now.

    it was definitely removed, and not just in the beta.

    <https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/macos-13-ventura-the-ars-techni ca-review/19/#h4>
    System Preferences used to have a Network Locations feature, where
    you could set up profiles that would change your network settings
    based on where you werefor example, if you used a fixed IP address
    on your Ethernet connection at home but wanted to use DHCP at work or
    if you wanted your computer to use wired Ethernet first at home but
    prioritize Wi-Fi at work.

    I doubt many people will miss this since its not as though Ethernet
    adapters are common on Macs anymore, and you can set different
    settings for different Wi-Fi networks or Ethernet dongles anyway
    (your dock on your desk and your USB Ethernet dongle at home can
    still have different settings). But if you do rely on it, youll need
    to figure out something else.

    apparently many people did miss it, since it was restored with 13.1,
    which i did not know until yesterday.

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  • From Chris Ridd@21:1/5 to Andy Hewitt on Fri Mar 24 14:39:50 2023
    On 23/03/2023 22:24, Andy Hewitt wrote:
    On 23/03/2023 19:00, Chris wrote:
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <tvht13$175bd$1@dont-email.me>, Andy Hewitt
    <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:


    If you need to switch back and forth, try setting up two 'Locations' in >>>> Network settings, and set one for WiFi and one for Ethernet (remove or >>>> add services as needed), then you just need to switch the Location
    setting.

    location has been removed in ventura.

    No, it hasn't.

    I recall it wasn't in 13.0, and it came back in 13.1 or 13.2.

    --
    Chris

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  • From Andy Hewitt@21:1/5 to nospam on Fri Mar 24 15:41:28 2023
    On 24/03/2023 13:11, nospam wrote:
    In article <tvjd00$1hok3$1@dont-email.me>, Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:

    So, no, it has not been removed. It perhaps *had* been removed, or
    rather more probably simply disabled. But it's most definitely there now.

    it was definitely removed, and not just in the beta.

    <https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/macos-13-ventura-the-ars-techni ca-review/19/#h4>
    System Preferences used to have a ³Network Locations² feature, where
    you could set up profiles that would change your network settings
    based on where you were‹for example, if you used a fixed IP address
    on your Ethernet connection at home but wanted to use DHCP at work or
    if you wanted your computer to use wired Ethernet first at home but
    prioritize Wi-Fi at work.

    I doubt many people will miss this since it¹s not as though Ethernet
    adapters are common on Macs anymore, and you can set different
    settings for different Wi-Fi networks or Ethernet dongles anyway
    (your dock on your desk and your USB Ethernet dongle at home can
    still have different settings). But if you do rely on it, you¹ll need
    to figure out something else.

    apparently many people did miss it, since it was restored with 13.1,
    which i did not know until yesterday.

    Well, I have a theory that if you want a particular answer to something,
    look hard enough on the Internet, and you'll find it ;-).

    I did a search, and found on the Apple Discussion Forums, that it was
    NOT removed, it was simply disabled. If you had existing locations saved
    from previous a previous OS, then they could still be selected using the
    Apple Menu/Locations option, and could also be accessed by using Terminal.

    So , it was still all there, just not easily accessible in the GUI.

    To be honest, it disappeared from view for, perhaps, a couple of months.
    So what! Not worth arguing about, is it really?

    --
    Andy H

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to thewildrover@icloud.com on Fri Mar 24 12:14:23 2023
    In article <tvkgb8$1njko$1@dont-email.me>, Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:

    So, no, it has not been removed. It perhaps *had* been removed, or
    rather more probably simply disabled. But it's most definitely there now.

    it was definitely removed, and not just in the beta.

    <https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/macos-13-ventura-the-ars-techni ca-review/19/#h4>
    System Preferences used to have a 3Network Locations2 feature, where
    you could set up profiles that would change your network settings
    based on where you werefor example, if you used a fixed IP address
    on your Ethernet connection at home but wanted to use DHCP at work or
    if you wanted your computer to use wired Ethernet first at home but
    prioritize Wi-Fi at work.

    I doubt many people will miss this since it1s not as though Ethernet
    adapters are common on Macs anymore, and you can set different
    settings for different Wi-Fi networks or Ethernet dongles anyway
    (your dock on your desk and your USB Ethernet dongle at home can
    still have different settings). But if you do rely on it, you1ll need
    to figure out something else.

    apparently many people did miss it, since it was restored with 13.1,
    which i did not know until yesterday.

    Well, I have a theory that if you want a particular answer to something,
    look hard enough on the Internet, and you'll find it ;-).

    the earth is flat. if it wasn't, the water in the oceans would spill
    off the edge.

    I did a search, and found on the Apple Discussion Forums, that it was
    NOT removed, it was simply disabled.

    it was removed.

    If you had existing locations saved
    from previous a previous OS, then they could still be selected using the Apple Menu/Locations option, and could also be accessed by using Terminal.

    a lot of things can be accessed by the terminal.

    repair permissions, for example, was removed in disk utility, but
    remained as a cli command.

    So , it was still all there, just not easily accessible in the GUI.

    in other words, removed.

    normal everyday users aren't going to poke around in the terminal.

    To be honest, it disappeared from view for, perhaps, a couple of months.

    aka removed.

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  • From Fred@21:1/5 to nospam on Fri Mar 24 16:51:18 2023
    In message <240320231214231461%nospam@nospam.invalid>
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    normal everyday users aren't going to poke around in the terminal.

    Crumbs! I've been promoted. Does it come with a pay increase?

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to fred@[127.0.0.1] on Fri Mar 24 12:58:14 2023
    In article <mpro.rs1ati005mrbi00yl.fred@[127.0.0.1]>, Fred
    <fred@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:


    Crumbs! I've been promoted. Does it come with a pay increase?

    yes.

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  • From Andy Hewitt@21:1/5 to nospam on Fri Mar 24 17:20:41 2023
    On 24/03/2023 16:14, nospam wrote:
    In article <tvkgb8$1njko$1@dont-email.me>, Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:

    So, no, it has not been removed. It perhaps *had* been removed, or
    rather more probably simply disabled. But it's most definitely there now. >>>
    it was definitely removed, and not just in the beta.

    <https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/macos-13-ventura-the-ars-techni >>> ca-review/19/#h4>
    System Preferences used to have a 3Network Locations2 feature, where >>> you could set up profiles that would change your network settings
    based on where you wereÐfor example, if you used a fixed IP address >>> on your Ethernet connection at home but wanted to use DHCP at work or >>> if you wanted your computer to use wired Ethernet first at home but
    prioritize Wi-Fi at work.

    I doubt many people will miss this since it1s not as though Ethernet >>> adapters are common on Macs anymore, and you can set different
    settings for different Wi-Fi networks or Ethernet dongles anyway
    (your dock on your desk and your USB Ethernet dongle at home can
    still have different settings). But if you do rely on it, you1ll need >>> to figure out something else.

    apparently many people did miss it, since it was restored with 13.1,
    which i did not know until yesterday.

    Well, I have a theory that if you want a particular answer to something,
    look hard enough on the Internet, and you'll find it ;-).

    the earth is flat. if it wasn't, the water in the oceans would spill
    off the edge.

    Exactly my point.

    TTFN

    --
    Andy H

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  • From Liz Tuddenham@21:1/5 to Andy Hewitt on Fri Mar 24 20:56:06 2023
    Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:

    On 24/03/2023 16:14, nospam wrote:
    In article <tvkgb8$1njko$1@dont-email.me>, Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:

    So, no, it has not been removed. It perhaps *had* been removed, or
    rather more probably simply disabled. But it's most definitely there now.

    it was definitely removed, and not just in the beta.

    <https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/macos-13-ventura-the-ars-techni >>> ca-review/19/#h4>
    System Preferences used to have a 3Network Locations2 feature, where >>> you could set up profiles that would change your network settings
    based on where you wereÐfor example, if you used a fixed IP address >>> on your Ethernet connection at home but wanted to use DHCP at work or >>> if you wanted your computer to use wired Ethernet first at home but >>> prioritize Wi-Fi at work.

    I doubt many people will miss this since it1s not as though Ethernet >>> adapters are common on Macs anymore, and you can set different
    settings for different Wi-Fi networks or Ethernet dongles anyway
    (your dock on your desk and your USB Ethernet dongle at home can
    still have different settings). But if you do rely on it, you1ll need >>> to figure out something else.

    apparently many people did miss it, since it was restored with 13.1,
    which i did not know until yesterday.

    Well, I have a theory that if you want a particular answer to something, >> look hard enough on the Internet, and you'll find it ;-).

    the earth is flat. if it wasn't, the water in the oceans would spill
    off the edge.

    Exactly my point.

    The Earth cannot be flat because, if it were, cats would have pushed
    everything off the edge by now.


    --
    ~ Liz Tuddenham ~
    (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
    www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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