TimS wrote:

(posted this to the wrong ng earlier, drat it).

Does anyone know whether changing one's email address that is part of the Apple-ID setup causes the Apple-ID itself to change to the new email address, thus unleashing planetary collisions and so on?

I imagine not.

The usual problem is that people discontinue the email address that they initially configured as their Apple-ID, then forget the Apple-ID's
password, so have no way to receive the "password reset" link.

Classic problem of a computer company not understanding the limitations
of real users.

--
Graham J

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(posted this to the wrong ng earlier, drat it).

Does anyone know whether changing one's email address that is part of the Apple-ID setup causes the Apple-ID itself to change to the new email address, thus unleashing planetary collisions and so on?

--
Tim

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In article <k8jku5Fot94U1@mid.individual.net>, TimS
<tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:

Does anyone know whether changing one's email address that is part of the Apple-ID setup causes the Apple-ID itself to change to the new email address, thus unleashing planetary collisions and so on?

i've done it before and it doesn't cause problems.

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In article <u02881$esm6$1@dont-email.me>,
Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:

TimS wrote:

(posted this to the wrong ng earlier, drat it).

Does anyone know whether changing one's email address that is part of the Apple-ID setup causes the Apple-ID itself to change to the new email address,
thus unleashing planetary collisions and so on?

I imagine not.

The usual problem is that people discontinue the email address that they initially configured as their Apple-ID, then forget the Apple-ID's
password, so have no way to receive the "password reset" link.

Classic problem of a computer company not understanding the limitations
of real users.

Sounds to me like a classic problem of stupid users.

How is this Apple's fault? No company can control what email address
you use/stop using. That is is purely the responsibility of the user.

If I lose my car key and get locked out of my car, is that a "classic
problem of a car company not understanding the limitations
of real users"? Or am I just having a bad day and learning a valuable
lesson?

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Am 29.03.23 um 22:48 schrieb Graham J:

TimS wrote:

(posted this to the wrong ng earlier, drat it).

Does anyone know whether changing one's email address that is part of the
Apple-ID setup causes the Apple-ID itself to change to the new email address,
thus unleashing planetary collisions and so on?

I imagine not.

The usual problem is that people discontinue the email address that they initially configured as their Apple-ID, then forget the Apple-ID's
password, so have no way to receive the "password reset" link.

Classic problem of a computer company not understanding the limitations
of real users.

For hanndicapped users this might be a real challenge...
*SCNR*

--
De gustibus non est disputandum

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nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

In article <k8jku5Fot94U1@mid.individual.net>, TimS
<tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:

Does anyone know whether changing one's email address that is part of the
Apple-ID setup causes the Apple-ID itself to change to the new email address,
thus unleashing planetary collisions and so on?

i've done it before and it doesn't cause problems.

I changed mine some years ago too with no problems.

<https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT202667>

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Cheers, Alan

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On 30. Mar 2023 at 04:53:28 CEST, "Bob Campbell" <none@none.none> wrote:

How is this Apple's fault? No company can control what email address
you use/stop using. That is is purely the responsibility of the user.

The error of Apple is using an email address as ID.
Email addresses (can) change IDs should not change.

What Apple did right and what most users don´t understand is, that your
Apple ID is an ID that looks like an email address and a real email address
at the same time which understandably confuses many users.

You can lock into your account with your Apple ID (which looks like an
email address) and set another email address where you can get recovery
mails.

If I lose my car key and get locked out of my car, is that a "classic
problem of a car company not understanding the limitations
of real users"?

No. Your car key IS a kind of ID and never changes.

Or am I just having a bad day and learning a valuable
lesson?

Yes

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Am 30.03.23 um 08:25 schrieb Bernd Froehlich:

No. Your car key IS a kind of ID and never changes.

Yes because we are discussing the responsibility of the car manufacturer
for the loss of the car key by the driver.

Or am I just having a bad day and learning a valuable
lesson?

Yes

No. Try to understand the problem.

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De gustibus non est disputandum

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On 29/03/2023 21:21, TimS wrote:

(posted this to the wrong ng earlier, drat it).

Does anyone know whether changing one's email address that is part of the Apple-ID setup causes the Apple-ID itself to change to the new email address, thus unleashing planetary collisions and so on?

Doesn't the new one just become an alias of the original? That's what
happened to me when I tried it.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

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On 2023-03-29 20:48:52 +0000, Graham J said:

TimS wrote:

(posted this to the wrong ng earlier, drat it).

Does anyone know whether changing one's email address that is part of the
Apple-ID setup causes the Apple-ID itself to change to the new email address,
thus unleashing planetary collisions and so on?

I imagine not.

The usual problem is that people discontinue the email address that
they initially configured as their Apple-ID, then forget the Apple-ID's password, so have no way to receive the "password reset" link.

Classic problem of a computer company not understanding the limitations
of real users.

It's surprising how many people still use their ISP email address. All hunky-dory until they go out of business.
--
Cheers ... Mark

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Mark <captain.black@gmail.com> wrote:

On 2023-03-29 20:48:52 +0000, Graham J said:

TimS wrote:

(posted this to the wrong ng earlier, drat it).

Does anyone know whether changing one's email address that is part of the >>> Apple-ID setup causes the Apple-ID itself to change to the new email address,
thus unleashing planetary collisions and so on?

I imagine not.

The usual problem is that people discontinue the email address that
they initially configured as their Apple-ID, then forget the Apple-ID's
password, so have no way to receive the "password reset" link.

Classic problem of a computer company not understanding the limitations
of real users.

It's surprising how many people still use their ISP email address. All hunky-dory until they go out of business.

That was one of the read I changed mine and I might have lost that email address anyway when I changed ISP.

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Cheers, Alan

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In article <k8kob4Fu0brU1@mid.individual.net>, Bernd Froehlich <befr@eaglesoft.de> wrote:

The error of Apple is using an email address as ID.

no. the apple id is a unique number internal to apple. the email
address is used to access the account, which is how it be changed
without affecting previous purchases.

Email addresses (can) change IDs should not change.

exactly why apple provides the option to change email addresses.

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Am 30.03.23 um 11:35 schrieb Alan B:

That was one of the read I changed mine and I might have lost that email address anyway when I changed ISP.

Do you live in the wild wild west?

--
Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

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Am 30.03.23 um 11:27 schrieb Mark:

On 2023-03-29 20:48:52 +0000, Graham J said:

Classic problem of a computer company not understanding the limitations
of real users.

It's surprising how many people still use their ISP email address. All hunky-dory until they go out of business.

This is utter nonsense.

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Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

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On 2023-03-30, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:

Do you live in the wild wild west?

Are you stalking me ;)

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Cheers, Alan

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On 30 Mar 2023 at 03:53:28 BST, "Bob Campbell" <none@none.none> wrote:

In article <u02881$esm6$1@dont-email.me>,
Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:

TimS wrote:

(posted this to the wrong ng earlier, drat it).

Does anyone know whether changing one's email address that is part of the >>> Apple-ID setup causes the Apple-ID itself to change to the new email
address, thus unleashing planetary collisions and so on?

I imagine not.

The usual problem is that people discontinue the email address that they
initially configured as their Apple-ID, then forget the Apple-ID's
password, so have no way to receive the "password reset" link.

Classic problem of a computer company not understanding the limitations
of real users.

Sounds to me like a classic problem of stupid users.

How is this Apple's fault? No company can control what email address
you use/stop using. That is is purely the responsibility of the user.

If I lose my car key and get locked out of my car, is that a "classic
problem of a car company not understanding the limitations
of real users"? Or am I just having a bad day and learning a valuable lesson?

It depends on how Apple does it, y'see. If when you set up your Apple-ID they ask you for your email and then store it in two places (1: the Apple-ID, 2:
the email addy to be used for password reset), then this would mean that I can change (2) above with no impact on (1). But I don't know if this is the case
or not. Perhaps they only store it in one place and use that for both
purposes. This would mean that if I changed the email address, my Apple-ID would change. This may not matter to some, and normally wouldn't matter to me, but I suspect it would affect my Apple Developer credentials, potentially invalidating my developer account, my developer certificates, and my app-specific passwords. Which would be a serious pain in the dong.

--
Tim

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On 29 Mar 2023 at 21:48:52 BST, "Graham J" <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:

TimS wrote:

(posted this to the wrong ng earlier, drat it).

Does anyone know whether changing one's email address that is part of the
Apple-ID setup causes the Apple-ID itself to change to the new email address,
thus unleashing planetary collisions and so on?

I imagine not.

The usual problem is that people discontinue the email address that they initially configured as their Apple-ID, then forget the Apple-ID's
password, so have no way to receive the "password reset" link.

Classic problem of a computer company not understanding the limitations
of real users.

Well quite. In this instance it's not me discontinuing the email, it's the
mail provider. So I have no option but to supply a new email addeess but I'm hoping that for the Apple ID, they just consider the email address as a string (so it could stay the same) and would send any password reset stuff to the new email. I haven't tried to change it yet in case Apple's use of it is dopey.

I'm having to go through this with any number of sites, with mixed success so far. For RightMove, f'rinstance, it went badly (not that this matters much,
but it was a useful test). I ended up with neither the old nor the new credentials working.

--
Tim

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On 30 Mar 2023 at 10:27:37 BST, "Mark" <captain.black@gmail.com> wrote:

On 2023-03-29 20:48:52 +0000, Graham J said:

TimS wrote:

(posted this to the wrong ng earlier, drat it).

Does anyone know whether changing one's email address that is part of the >>> Apple-ID setup causes the Apple-ID itself to change to the new email address,
thus unleashing planetary collisions and so on?

I imagine not.

The usual problem is that people discontinue the email address that
they initially configured as their Apple-ID, then forget the Apple-ID's
password, so have no way to receive the "password reset" link.

Classic problem of a computer company not understanding the limitations
of real users.

It's surprising how many people still use their ISP email address. All hunky-dory until they go out of business.

I wan't expecting John Lewis to stop providing email services. But then no one expected the Spanish Inquisition either.

--
Tim

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On 30/03/2023 03:53, Bob Campbell wrote:

In article <u02881$esm6$1@dont-email.me>,
Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:

TimS wrote:

(posted this to the wrong ng earlier, drat it).

Does anyone know whether changing one's email address that is part of the >>> Apple-ID setup causes the Apple-ID itself to change to the new email
address,
thus unleashing planetary collisions and so on?

I imagine not.

The usual problem is that people discontinue the email address that they
initially configured as their Apple-ID, then forget the Apple-ID's
password, so have no way to receive the "password reset" link.

Classic problem of a computer company not understanding the limitations
of real users.

Sounds to me like a classic problem of stupid users.

Not really. What if you change broadband supplier from say BT Internet
to Zen. Changing all your @btinternet.com email address to whatever the
ZEN equivalant is requires that you still have access to your BT email
address to click the confirmatory link sent by all and sundry.

But how long does the sacked broadband supplier allow you to access
your old email account to carry out all these changes ?.

How is this Apple's fault? No company can control what email address
you use/stop using. That is is purely the responsibility of the user.

If I lose my car key and get locked out of my car, is that a "classic
problem of a car company not understanding the limitations
of real users"? Or am I just having a bad day and learning a valuable lesson?

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On 3/30/23 03:53, Bob Campbell wrote:

In article <u02881$esm6$1@dont-email.me>,
Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:

TimS wrote:

(posted this to the wrong ng earlier, drat it).

Does anyone know whether changing one's email address that is part of the >>> Apple-ID setup causes the Apple-ID itself to change to the new email
address,
thus unleashing planetary collisions and so on?

I imagine not.

The usual problem is that people discontinue the email address that they
initially configured as their Apple-ID, then forget the Apple-ID's
password, so have no way to receive the "password reset" link.

Classic problem of a computer company not understanding the limitations
of real users.

Sounds to me like a classic problem of stupid users.

How is this Apple's fault? No company can control what email address
you use/stop using. That is is purely the responsibility of the user.

If I lose my car key and get locked out of my car, is that a "classic
problem of a car company not understanding the limitations
of real users"? Or am I just having a bad day and learning a valuable lesson?

Back when I set up first iTunes account which is, to this day,
effectively my Apple ID, I had a little thing called an AOL email
address! Now, I still have that email address and I still have access
to the email account, but are aol.com email addresses going to be around
for much longer?

Email and telephone numbers are not optimal forms of ID. Unfortunately,
we seem to be stuck with them.

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