"In 2020, Apple made an announcement that was no less shocking for the
fact that many had predicted it would arrive"
I can't even begin to work out what that's meant to mean! Have
reporters lost the ability to communicate clearly?
https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/apple-mac-silicon-computer-chip-new-b2319356.html
"In 2020, Apple made an announcement that was no less shocking for the fact that many had predicted it would arrive"
I can't even begin to work out what that's meant to mean!
Have reporters lost the ability to communicate clearly?
https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/apple-mac-silicon-computer-chip-new-b2319356.html
"In 2020, Apple made an announcement that was no less shocking for the
fact that many had predicted it would arrive"
I can't even begin to work out what that's meant to mean! Have
reporters lost the ability to communicate clearly?
https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/apple-mac-silicon-computer-chip-new-b2319356.html
On Apr 13, 2023 at 8:25:44 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote <op.13dfs61imvhs6z@ryzen.home>:
"In 2020, Apple made an announcement that was no less shocking for the fact >> that many had predicted it would arrive"
I can't even begin to work out what that's meant to mean!
While many had predicted Macs might move from Intel to their own chips, few thought it would happen any time soon. And then the chips were introduced and they were pretty amazing.
On 14/04/2023 3:25 p.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
"In 2020, Apple made an announcement that was no less shocking for the
fact that many had predicted it would arrive"
I can't even begin to work out what that's meant to mean! Have
reporters lost the ability to communicate clearly?
https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/apple-mac-silicon-computer-chip-new-b2319356.html
Simple version:
In 2020, Apple made an announcement. Many had predicted [that] it [this announcement] would arrive, but that didn't make it any less shocking.
On 14/04/2023 04:25, Commander Kinsey wrote:
"In 2020, Apple made an announcement that was no less shocking for the
fact that many had predicted it would arrive"
I can't even begin to work out what that's meant to mean! Have
reporters lost the ability to communicate clearly?
https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/apple-mac-silicon-computer-chip-new-b2319356.html
A good article.
Thanks for sharing. :-)
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 08:13:38 +0100, David Brooks
<DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 14/04/2023 04:25, Commander Kinsey wrote:
"In 2020, Apple made an announcement that was no less shocking for the
fact that many had predicted it would arrive"
I can't even begin to work out what that's meant to mean! Have
reporters lost the ability to communicate clearly?
https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/apple-mac-silicon-computer-chip-new-b2319356.html
A good article.
Thanks for sharing. :-)
Oh no, I've turned on the groups biggest Apple lover.
On 14/04/2023 08:24, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 08:13:38 +0100, David Brooks
<DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 14/04/2023 04:25, Commander Kinsey wrote:
"In 2020, Apple made an announcement that was no less shocking for the >>>> fact that many had predicted it would arrive"
I can't even begin to work out what that's meant to mean! Have
reporters lost the ability to communicate clearly?
https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/apple-mac-silicon-computer-chip-new-b2319356.html
A good article.
Thanks for sharing. :-)
Oh no, I've turned on the groups biggest Apple lover.
I confess that I enjoy being able to afford the best quality products available nowadays. Apple is to electronics like Rolls Royce is for cars
and engines!
You have no idea how I used to yearn for B&O products to listen to music
- sadly, now that my hearing has deteriorated, they would be a total
waste of money. Yes, REALLY sad, I know. 🙁
https://www.coggles.com/life/tech/is-bang-and-olufsen-worth-it/
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 09:01:27 +0100, David Brooks <Dav...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 14/04/2023 08:24, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 08:13:38 +0100, David Brooks
<Dav...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 14/04/2023 04:25, Commander Kinsey wrote:
"In 2020, Apple made an announcement that was no less shocking for the >>>> fact that many had predicted it would arrive"
I can't even begin to work out what that's meant to mean! Have
reporters lost the ability to communicate clearly?
https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/apple-mac-silicon-computer-chip-new-b2319356.html
A good article.
Thanks for sharing. :-)
Oh no, I've turned on the groups biggest Apple lover.
I confess that I enjoy being able to afford the best quality products available nowadays. Apple is to electronics like Rolls Royce is for cars and engines!Yeah, my neighbour says that about her BMW which keeps going wrong.
Apple electronics is not better, it's just the same, but more expensive and less compatible.
You have no idea how I used to yearn for B&O products to listen to music
- sadly, now that my hearing has deteriorated, they would be a total
waste of money. Yes, REALLY sad, I know. 🙁
https://www.coggles.com/life/tech/is-bang-and-olufsen-worth-it/B&O does look nice (like Apple, nice for an ornament), but you can get the same sound quality a lot cheaper.
I have heard B&O products, I have perfect hearing (of a 16 year old) according to a doctor,
and I'm very fussy about sound quality. Yet I wouldn't prefer a B&O over something else (excepting cheap shit of course).
That webpage is clearly written by someone getting paid to. The language used is just like an advert.
But I would like owning something with the word Bang in the name.
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 09:01:27 +0100, David Brooks
<DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 14/04/2023 08:24, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 08:13:38 +0100, David Brooks
<DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 14/04/2023 04:25, Commander Kinsey wrote:
"In 2020, Apple made an announcement that was no less shocking for the >>>>> fact that many had predicted it would arrive"
I can't even begin to work out what that's meant to mean! Have
reporters lost the ability to communicate clearly?
https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/apple-mac-silicon-computer-chip-new-b2319356.html
A good article.
Thanks for sharing. :-)
Oh no, I've turned on the groups biggest Apple lover.
I confess that I enjoy being able to afford the best quality products
available nowadays. Apple is to electronics like Rolls Royce is for cars
and engines!
Yeah, my neighbour says that about her BMW which keeps going wrong.
Apple electronics is not better, it's just the same, but more expensive
and less compatible.
You have no idea how I used to yearn for B&O products to listen to music
- sadly, now that my hearing has deteriorated, they would be a total
waste of money. Yes, REALLY sad, I know. 🙁
https://www.coggles.com/life/tech/is-bang-and-olufsen-worth-it/
B&O does look nice (like Apple, nice for an ornament), but you can get
the same sound quality a lot cheaper. I have heard B&O products, I have perfect hearing (of a 16 year old) according to a doctor, and I'm very
fussy about sound quality. Yet I wouldn't prefer a B&O over something
else (excepting cheap shit of course).
That webpage is clearly written by someone getting paid to. The
language used is just like an advert.
But I would like owning something with the word Bang in the name.
On 14/04/2023 11:07, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 09:01:27 +0100, David Brooks
<DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 14/04/2023 08:24, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 08:13:38 +0100, David Brooks
<DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 14/04/2023 04:25, Commander Kinsey wrote:
"In 2020, Apple made an announcement that was no less shocking for the >>>>>> fact that many had predicted it would arrive"
I can't even begin to work out what that's meant to mean! Have
reporters lost the ability to communicate clearly?
https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/apple-mac-silicon-computer-chip-new-b2319356.html
A good article.
Thanks for sharing. :-)
Oh no, I've turned on the groups biggest Apple lover.
I confess that I enjoy being able to afford the best quality products
available nowadays. Apple is to electronics like Rolls Royce is for cars >>> and engines!
Yeah, my neighbour says that about her BMW which keeps going wrong.
One cannot compare a BMW with a Rolls Royce!!!
Apple electronics is not better, it's just the same, but more expensive
and less compatible.
I don't believe Apple manufactured electronics parts are simply
'ordinary'. I suspect they'll be better than average quality.
You have no idea how I used to yearn for B&O products to listen to music >>> - sadly, now that my hearing has deteriorated, they would be a total
waste of money. Yes, REALLY sad, I know. 🙁
https://www.coggles.com/life/tech/is-bang-and-olufsen-worth-it/
B&O does look nice (like Apple, nice for an ornament), but you can get
the same sound quality a lot cheaper. I have heard B&O products, I have
perfect hearing (of a 16 year old) according to a doctor, and I'm very
fussy about sound quality. Yet I wouldn't prefer a B&O over something
else (excepting cheap shit of course).
Each to their own!
That webpage is clearly written by someone getting paid to. The
language used is just like an advert.
Agreed.
But I would like owning something with the word Bang in the name.
Haha! :-D
Apple electronics is not better, it's just the same, but more expensive
and less compatible.
I don't believe Apple manufactured electronics parts are simply
'ordinary'. I suspect they'll be better than average quality.
They're not even in the top ten, which are:
#1 Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. Ltd. (TSM)
Revenue (TTM): $71.66 billion
Net Income (TTM): $30.53 billion
I'm objective.
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 05:30:44 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 13, 2023 at 8:25:44 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.13dfs61imvhs6z@ryzen.home>:
"In 2020, Apple made an announcement that was no less shocking for the fact >>> that many had predicted it would arrive"
I can't even begin to work out what that's meant to mean!
While many had predicted Macs might move from Intel to their own chips, few >> thought it would happen any time soon. And then the chips were introduced and
they were pretty amazing.
Apple users always make a fuss when Apple does something, even though every other manufacturer is doing similar things.
It's not Apple making something amazing, it's just technology moving forwards.
Maybe it's just her BMW . I mean some people have cars whose breaks don't work properly.
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 13:21:38 +0100, David Brooks <Dav...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 14/04/2023 11:07, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 09:01:27 +0100, David Brooks
<Dav...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 14/04/2023 08:24, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 08:13:38 +0100, David Brooks
<Dav...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 14/04/2023 04:25, Commander Kinsey wrote:
"In 2020, Apple made an announcement that was no less shocking for the
fact that many had predicted it would arrive"
I can't even begin to work out what that's meant to mean! Have
reporters lost the ability to communicate clearly?
https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/apple-mac-silicon-computer-chip-new-b2319356.html
A good article.
Thanks for sharing. :-)
Oh no, I've turned on the groups biggest Apple lover.
I confess that I enjoy being able to afford the best quality products >>> available nowadays. Apple is to electronics like Rolls Royce is for cars >>> and engines!
Yeah, my neighbour says that about her BMW which keeps going wrong.
One cannot compare a BMW with a Rolls Royce!!!Indeed, a BMW is overpriced, a Rolls Royce is vastly overpriced.
Apple electronics is not better, it's just the same, but more expensive >> and less compatible.
I don't believe Apple manufactured electronics parts are simply 'ordinary'. I suspect they'll be better than average quality.They're not even in the top ten, which are:
#1 Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. Ltd. (TSM)
Revenue (TTM): $71.66 billion
Net Income (TTM): $30.53 billion
#2 Intel Corp. (INTC)
Revenue (TTM): $69.54 billion
Net Income (TTM): $13.30 billion
#3 Qualcomm Inc. (QCOM)
Revenue (TTM): $42.10 billion
Net Income (TTM): $12.94 billion
#4 Broadcom Inc. (AVGO)
Revenue (TTM): $33.20 billion
Net Income (TTM): $11.50 billion
#5 Micron Technology Inc. (MU)
Revenue (TTM): $30.76 billion
Net Income (TTM): $8.69 billion
#6 NVIDIA Corp. (NVDA)
Revenue (TTM): $28.57 billion
Net Income (TTM): $5.96 billion
#7 Applied Materials, Inc. (AMAT)
Revenue (TTM): $25.79 billion
Net Income (TTM): $6.53 billion
#8 ASE Technology Holding Co. Ltd. (ASX)
Revenue (TTM): $23.04 billion
Net Income (TTM): $2.69 billion
#9 Advanced Micro Devices (AMD)
Revenue (TTM): $22.83 billion
Net Income (TTM): $2.27 billion
#10 ASML Holding N.V. (ASML)
Revenue (TTM): $21.27 billion
Net Income (TTM): $5.85 billion
https://www.investopedia.com/articles/markets/012216/worlds-top-10-semiconductor-companies-tsmintc.asp
You have no idea how I used to yearn for B&O products to listen to music >>> - sadly, now that my hearing has deteriorated, they would be a total
waste of money. Yes, REALLY sad, I know. 🙁
https://www.coggles.com/life/tech/is-bang-and-olufsen-worth-it/
B&O does look nice (like Apple, nice for an ornament), but you can get
the same sound quality a lot cheaper. I have heard B&O products, I have >> perfect hearing (of a 16 year old) according to a doctor, and I'm very
fussy about sound quality. Yet I wouldn't prefer a B&O over something
else (excepting cheap shit of course).
Each to their own!I'm objective.
That webpage is clearly written by someone getting paid to. The
language used is just like an advert.
Agreed.Then you shouldn't have used it to further your side of the argument!
But I would like owning something with the word Bang in the name.
Haha! :-DThere is actually a company called banggood. And they're not as shit as they sound.
In article <op.13d8d7jhmvhs6z@ryzen.home>, Commander Kinsey
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
Apple electronics is not better, it's just the same, but more expensive >>>> and less compatible.
I don't believe Apple manufactured electronics parts are simply
'ordinary'. I suspect they'll be better than average quality.
They're not even in the top ten, which are:
apple is a fabless chip designer, much like amd and many others.
#1 Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. Ltd. (TSM)
Revenue (TTM): $71.66 billion
Net Income (TTM): $30.53 billion
<https://www.extremetech.com/computing/343291-apple-has-procured-tsmcs-e ntire-first-run-of-3nm-chips>
Apple Has Procured TSMC's Entire First Run of 3nm Chips
previously, <https://wccftech.com/apple-secured-80-tsmc-5nm-production-capacity-2021
Apple Has Secured 80 Percent of TSMC's 5nm Production Capacity
for 2021
80% of 5nm chips. 100% of 3nm chips.
I'm objective.
not the word that first comes to mind.
I confess that I enjoy being able to afford the best quality products available nowadays. Apple is to electronics like Rolls Royce is for cars and engines!
It would be, if RR insisted on limiting any accessories allowed, to
those approved by them.
On 14/04/2023 08:24, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 08:13:38 +0100, David Brooks
<DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 14/04/2023 04:25, Commander Kinsey wrote:
"In 2020, Apple made an announcement that was no less shocking for the >>>> fact that many had predicted it would arrive"
I can't even begin to work out what that's meant to mean! Have
reporters lost the ability to communicate clearly?
https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/apple-mac-silicon-computer-chip-new-b2319356.html
A good article.
Thanks for sharing. :-)
Oh no, I've turned on the groups biggest Apple lover.
I confess that I enjoy being able to afford the best quality products available nowadays. Apple is to electronics like Rolls Royce is for cars
and engines!
You have no idea how I used to yearn for B&O products to listen to music
- sadly, now that my hearing has deteriorated, they would be a total
waste of money. Yes, REALLY sad, I know. 🙁
https://www.coggles.com/life/tech/is-bang-and-olufsen-worth-it/
"In 2020, Apple made an announcement that was no less shocking for the fact that many had predicted it would arrive"
I can't even begin to work out what that's meant to mean! Have reporters lost the ability to communicate clearly?
https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/apple-mac-silicon-computer-chip-new-b2319356.html
I confess that I enjoy being able to afford the best quality products
available nowadays. Apple is to electronics like Rolls Royce is for cars >>> and engines!
It would be, if RR insisted on limiting any accessories allowed, to
those approved by them.
apple doesn't do that.
They certainly do, or attempt to do, when those accessories are programs.
on the other hand, there are parts only available from rolls royce as
well as other car makers, including toyota, honda, ford, chrysler, etc.
In article <u1bvh2$1jqka$4@dont-email.me>, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca>
wrote:
I confess that I enjoy being able to afford the best quality products
available nowadays. Apple is to electronics like Rolls Royce is for cars >>> and engines!
It would be, if RR insisted on limiting any accessories allowed, to
those approved by them.
apple doesn't do that.
on the other hand, there are parts only available from rolls royce as
well as other car makers, including toyota, honda, ford, chrysler, etc.
On Apr 14, 2023 at 12:01:28 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote <op.13dpsqahmvhs6z@ryzen.home>:
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 05:30:44 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote: >>
On Apr 13, 2023 at 8:25:44 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.13dfs61imvhs6z@ryzen.home>:
"In 2020, Apple made an announcement that was no less shocking for the fact
that many had predicted it would arrive"
I can't even begin to work out what that's meant to mean!
While many had predicted Macs might move from Intel to their own chips, few >>> thought it would happen any time soon. And then the chips were introduced and
they were pretty amazing.
Apple users always make a fuss when Apple does something, even though every >> other manufacturer is doing similar things.
What other computer maker is using their own chips,
and ones that are in many ways well ahead of what Intel and AMD offer?
It's not Apple making something amazing, it's just technology moving
forwards.
The Apple M-series chips are an example of Apple pushing technology forward.
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 14:58:58 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 14, 2023 at 12:01:28 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.13dpsqahmvhs6z@ryzen.home>:
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 05:30:44 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote: >>>
On Apr 13, 2023 at 8:25:44 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.13dfs61imvhs6z@ryzen.home>:
"In 2020, Apple made an announcement that was no less shocking for the fact
that many had predicted it would arrive"
I can't even begin to work out what that's meant to mean!
While many had predicted Macs might move from Intel to their own chips, few
thought it would happen any time soon. And then the chips were introduced and
they were pretty amazing.
Apple users always make a fuss when Apple does something, even though every >>> other manufacturer is doing similar things.
What other computer maker is using their own chips,
Why is that of any importance?
And anyway, most computers are not made by one company. This computer has an Intel CPU, and AMD graphics card, an MSI motherboard, a corsair power supply, crucial memory, and a western digital NVME. You see PC users get to choose what they prefer. Apple users make do with Apple's opinion of what they should
have.
and ones that are in many ways well ahead of what Intel and AMD offer?
I've just told you they aren't ahead. They're all coming up with new things all the time. Sometimes one leapfrogs the other.
It's not Apple making something amazing, it's just technology moving
forwards.
The Apple M-series chips are an example of Apple pushing technology forward.
And tomorrow one of the others will do the same.
All the chip companies want to have the latest and greatest to sell their chips. So of course they all do research.
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 21:05:56 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 14, 2023 at 12:56:30 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.13epogn4mvhs6z@ryzen.home>:
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 14:58:58 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote: >>>
On Apr 14, 2023 at 12:01:28 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.13dpsqahmvhs6z@ryzen.home>:
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 05:30:44 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 13, 2023 at 8:25:44 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.13dfs61imvhs6z@ryzen.home>:
"In 2020, Apple made an announcement that was no less shocking for the fact
that many had predicted it would arrive"
I can't even begin to work out what that's meant to mean!
While many had predicted Macs might move from Intel to their own chips, few
thought it would happen any time soon. And then the chips were introduced and
they were pretty amazing.
Apple users always make a fuss when Apple does something, even though every
other manufacturer is doing similar things.
What other computer maker is using their own chips,
Why is that of any importance?
"even though every other manufacturer is doing similar things."
Do they?
Yes, it's in their best interests.
Apple does a lot of unique things. Handling the hardware and software... and >> in this case a pretty extreme case of hardware.
Making our choice more limited.
I can plug any piece of hardware I like into this machine, and it'll just work.
And anyway, most computers are not made by one company. This computer has an
Intel CPU, and AMD graphics card, an MSI motherboard, a corsair power supply,
crucial memory, and a western digital NVME. You see PC users get to choose >>> what they prefer. Apple users make do with Apple's opinion of what they should
have.
There are pros and cons to that. Sure.
No, only cons. Freedom of choice is the ultimate requirement in anything.
and ones that are in many ways well ahead of what Intel and AMD offer?
I've just told you they aren't ahead. They're all coming up with new things >>> all the time. Sometimes one leapfrogs the other.
Right now it is pretty well accepted that Apple is ahead. Even Intel clearly >> knows that.
And tomorrow it will be pretty well accepted Apple is behind.
Notice I didn't add the pointless word "that". Why do people insert it?
https://www.pcmag.com/news/intel-ceo-we-hope-to-win-back-apple-as-a-chip-customer-one-day
Does not mean they are ahead in all areas -- the M-series does have
weaknesses.
It's not Apple making something amazing, it's just technology moving >>>>> forwards.
The Apple M-series chips are an example of Apple pushing technology forward.
And tomorrow one of the others will do the same.
Sure. But what other computer company does it as often as Apple?
Often doesn't matter. What matters is how good the products are. And on average it's pretty much the same.
All the chip companies want to have the latest and greatest to sell their >>> chips. So of course they all do research.
And even with that Apple has pulled ahead. We shall see how long that lasts.
Not long.
On Apr 14, 2023 at 12:56:30 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote <op.13epogn4mvhs6z@ryzen.home>:
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 14:58:58 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote: >>
On Apr 14, 2023 at 12:01:28 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.13dpsqahmvhs6z@ryzen.home>:
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 05:30:44 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 13, 2023 at 8:25:44 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.13dfs61imvhs6z@ryzen.home>:
"In 2020, Apple made an announcement that was no less shocking for the fact
that many had predicted it would arrive"
I can't even begin to work out what that's meant to mean!
While many had predicted Macs might move from Intel to their own chips, few
thought it would happen any time soon. And then the chips were introduced and
they were pretty amazing.
Apple users always make a fuss when Apple does something, even though every
other manufacturer is doing similar things.
What other computer maker is using their own chips,
Why is that of any importance?
"even though every other manufacturer is doing similar things."
Do they?
Apple does a lot of unique things. Handling the hardware and software... and in this case a pretty extreme case of hardware.
And anyway, most computers are not made by one company. This computer has an >> Intel CPU, and AMD graphics card, an MSI motherboard, a corsair power supply,
crucial memory, and a western digital NVME. You see PC users get to choose >> what they prefer. Apple users make do with Apple's opinion of what they should
have.
There are pros and cons to that. Sure.
and ones that are in many ways well ahead of what Intel and AMD offer?
I've just told you they aren't ahead. They're all coming up with new things >> all the time. Sometimes one leapfrogs the other.
Right now it is pretty well accepted that Apple is ahead. Even Intel clearly knows that.
https://www.pcmag.com/news/intel-ceo-we-hope-to-win-back-apple-as-a-chip-customer-one-day
Does not mean they are ahead in all areas -- the M-series does have weaknesses.
It's not Apple making something amazing, it's just technology moving
forwards.
The Apple M-series chips are an example of Apple pushing technology forward.
And tomorrow one of the others will do the same.
Sure. But what other computer company does it as often as Apple?
All the chip companies want to have the latest and greatest to sell their >> chips. So of course they all do research.
And even with that Apple has pulled ahead. We shall see how long that lasts.
On Apr 14, 2023 at 12:56:30 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote <op.13epogn4mvhs6z@ryzen.home>:
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 14:58:58 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 14, 2023 at 12:01:28 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.13dpsqahmvhs6z@ryzen.home>:
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 05:30:44 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com>:
On Apr 13, 2023 at 8:25:44 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.13dfs61imvhs6z@ryzen.home>:
"In 2020, Apple made an announcement that was no less shocking for >>>>> the fact that many had predicted it would arrive"
I can't even begin to work out what that's meant to mean!
While many had predicted Macs might move from Intel to their own
chips, few thought it would happen any time soon. And then the chips >>>> were introduced and they were pretty amazing.
Apple users always make a fuss when Apple does something, even though
every other manufacturer is doing similar things.
What other computer maker is using their own chips,
Why is that of any importance?
"even though every other manufacturer is doing similar things."
Do they?
Apple does a lot of unique things. Handling the hardware and software... and in this case a pretty extreme case of hardware.
mer-one-dayAnd anyway, most computers are not made by one company. This computer
has an Intel CPU, and AMD graphics card, an MSI motherboard, a corsair power supply, crucial memory, and a western digital NVME. You see PC
users get to choose what they prefer. Apple users make do with Apple's opinion of what they should have.
There are pros and cons to that. Sure.
and ones that are in many ways well ahead of what Intel and AMD offer?
I've just told you they aren't ahead. They're all coming up with new things all the time. Sometimes one leapfrogs the other.
Right now it is pretty well accepted that Apple is ahead. Even Intel clearly knows that.
https://www.pcmag.com/news/intel-ceo-we-hope-to-win-back-apple-as-a-chip-custo
Does not mean they are ahead in all areas -- the M-series does have weaknesses.
It's not Apple making something amazing, it's just technology moving
forwards.
And tomorrow one of the others will do the same.
Sure. But what other computer company does it as often as Apple?
All the chip companies want to have the latest and greatest to sell their chips. So of course they all do research.
And even with that Apple has pulled ahead. We shall see how long that lasts.
Apple does a lot of unique things. Handling the hardware and software... and
in this case a pretty extreme case of hardware.
Making our choice more limited. I can plug any piece of hardware I like into this machine, and it'll just work.
Apple does a lot of unique things. Handling the hardware and software... >>> and
in this case a pretty extreme case of hardware.
Making our choice more limited. I can plug any piece of hardware I like >> into
this machine, and it'll just work.
no you can't. not everything will work, and it's the same with macs.
I do think it is fair to say MORE works with PCs, or at least used to.
Certainly PCs are more backward compatible. But I wonder if he actually uses anything that does not work on a Mac.
In article <op.13esq0sxmvhs6z@ryzen.home>, Commander Kinsey
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
Apple does a lot of unique things. Handling the hardware and software... and
in this case a pretty extreme case of hardware.
Making our choice more limited. I can plug any piece of hardware I like into
this machine, and it'll just work.
no you can't. not everything will work, and it's the same with macs.
In article <Jwl_L.110625$qpNc.109621@fx03.iad>, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
Apple does a lot of unique things. Handling the hardware and software... >>>>> and
in this case a pretty extreme case of hardware.
Making our choice more limited. I can plug any piece of hardware I like >>>> into
this machine, and it'll just work.
no you can't. not everything will work, and it's the same with macs.
I do think it is fair to say MORE works with PCs, or at least used to.
the simple fact is that some stuff doesn't work with a pc, most often
with linux, which many hardware makers do not support.
sometimes it can be made to work, and there can be compatibility
issues.
Certainly PCs are more backward compatible. But I wonder if he actually uses >> anything that does not work on a Mac.
of course not.
Apple does a lot of unique things. Handling the hardware and software...
and
in this case a pretty extreme case of hardware.
Making our choice more limited. I can plug any piece of hardware I like >>>> into
this machine, and it'll just work.
no you can't. not everything will work, and it's the same with macs.
I do think it is fair to say MORE works with PCs, or at least used to.
the simple fact is that some stuff doesn't work with a pc, most often
with linux, which many hardware makers do not support.
By PC in this context I think the implication is Windows.
But fair enough...
if you had not been following.
In article <LDm_L.444120$5CY7.18465@fx46.iad>, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
Apple does a lot of unique things. Handling the hardware and software...
and
in this case a pretty extreme case of hardware.
Making our choice more limited. I can plug any piece of hardware I like >>>>>> into
this machine, and it'll just work.
no you can't. not everything will work, and it's the same with macs.
I do think it is fair to say MORE works with PCs, or at least used to.
the simple fact is that some stuff doesn't work with a pc, most often
with linux, which many hardware makers do not support.
By PC in this context I think the implication is Windows.
that's actually irrelevant.
But fair enough...
if you had not been following.
knock off the condescending attitude.
In article <op.13esq0sxmvhs6z@ryzen.home>, Commander Kinsey
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
Apple does a lot of unique things. Handling the hardware and software... and
in this case a pretty extreme case of hardware.
Making our choice more limited. I can plug any piece of hardware I like into
this machine, and it'll just work.
no you can't. not everything will work, and it's the same with macs.
the simple fact is that some stuff doesn't work with a pc, most often
Making our choice more limited. I can plug any piece of hardware I >>>>>> like
into
this machine, and it'll just work.
no you can't. not everything will work, and it's the same with macs. >>>>
I do think it is fair to say MORE works with PCs, or at least used to. >>>
with linux, which many hardware makers do not support.
By PC in this context I think the implication is Windows.
that's actually irrelevant.
When the focus is Windows, Linux is not relevant.
But fair enough...
if you had not been following.
knock off the condescending attitude.
Curious what it is like to go through life seeking to be offended.
Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 14, 2023 at 12:56:30 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrotemer-one-day
<op.13epogn4mvhs6z@ryzen.home>:
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 14:58:58 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 14, 2023 at 12:01:28 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.13dpsqahmvhs6z@ryzen.home>:
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 05:30:44 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com>:
On Apr 13, 2023 at 8:25:44 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.13dfs61imvhs6z@ryzen.home>:
"In 2020, Apple made an announcement that was no less shocking for
the fact that many had predicted it would arrive"
I can't even begin to work out what that's meant to mean!
While many had predicted Macs might move from Intel to their own
chips, few thought it would happen any time soon. And then the chips
were introduced and they were pretty amazing.
Apple users always make a fuss when Apple does something, even though
every other manufacturer is doing similar things.
What other computer maker is using their own chips,
Why is that of any importance?
"even though every other manufacturer is doing similar things."
Do they?
Apple does a lot of unique things. Handling the hardware and software... and >> in this case a pretty extreme case of hardware.
And anyway, most computers are not made by one company. This computer
has an Intel CPU, and AMD graphics card, an MSI motherboard, a corsair
power supply, crucial memory, and a western digital NVME. You see PC
users get to choose what they prefer. Apple users make do with Apple's
opinion of what they should have.
There are pros and cons to that. Sure.
and ones that are in many ways well ahead of what Intel and AMD offer?
I've just told you they aren't ahead. They're all coming up with new things
all the time. Sometimes one leapfrogs the other.
Right now it is pretty well accepted that Apple is ahead. Even Intel clearly >> knows that.
https://www.pcmag.com/news/intel-ceo-we-hope-to-win-back-apple-as-a-chip-custo
Does not mean they are ahead in all areas -- the M-series does have
weaknesses.
It's not Apple making something amazing, it's just technology moving
forwards.
And tomorrow one of the others will do the same.
Sure. But what other computer company does it as often as Apple?
All the chip companies want to have the latest and greatest to sell their >> > chips. So of course they all do research.
And even with that Apple has pulled ahead. We shall see how long that lasts.
Not really. It is Dutch/German technology by ASML/Zeiss
that makes it possible.
(and they have an absolute monopoly on it
that isnt likely to be broken soon)
Apple doesn't actually make the chips,
Samsung and TSMC do that for them, using ASML machinery.
Apple only designs the chips.
And ASML will sell their lithography machines to others,
like for example to Intel. (but not to China)
So others will catch up,
In article <Lzs_L.1543888$8_id.992402@fx09.iad>, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
the simple fact is that some stuff doesn't work with a pc, most often >>>>> with linux, which many hardware makers do not support.
Making our choice more limited. I can plug any piece of hardware I >>>>>>>> like
into
this machine, and it'll just work.
no you can't. not everything will work, and it's the same with macs. >>>>>>
I do think it is fair to say MORE works with PCs, or at least used to. >>>>>
By PC in this context I think the implication is Windows.
that's actually irrelevant.
When the focus is Windows, Linux is not relevant.
there is no focus on windows,
especially when comparing to a mac.
he said 'any piece of hardware' would work. that is false.
But fair enough...
if you had not been following.
knock off the condescending attitude.
Curious what it is like to go through life seeking to be offended.
projection
On Apr 14, 2023 at 2:02:50 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote <op.13esq0sxmvhs6z@ryzen.home>:
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 21:05:56 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote: >>
On Apr 14, 2023 at 12:56:30 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.13epogn4mvhs6z@ryzen.home>:
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 14:58:58 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 14, 2023 at 12:01:28 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.13dpsqahmvhs6z@ryzen.home>:
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 05:30:44 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 13, 2023 at 8:25:44 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.13dfs61imvhs6z@ryzen.home>:
"In 2020, Apple made an announcement that was no less shocking for the fact
that many had predicted it would arrive"
I can't even begin to work out what that's meant to mean!
While many had predicted Macs might move from Intel to their own chips, few
thought it would happen any time soon. And then the chips were introduced and
they were pretty amazing.
Apple users always make a fuss when Apple does something, even though every
other manufacturer is doing similar things.
What other computer maker is using their own chips,
Why is that of any importance?
"even though every other manufacturer is doing similar things."
Do they?
Yes, it's in their best interests.
So which one does?
Apple does a lot of unique things. Handling the hardware and software... and
in this case a pretty extreme case of hardware.
Making our choice more limited.
Nothing they offer limits you choice. You, in fact, choose to not use them. They have no control over that. Apple offers choices you choose to not use.
I can plug any piece of hardware I like into this machine, and it'll just
work.
What hardware do you use which does not work on a Mac?
And anyway, most computers are not made by one company. This computer has an
Intel CPU, and AMD graphics card, an MSI motherboard, a corsair power supply,
crucial memory, and a western digital NVME. You see PC users get to choose >>>> what they prefer. Apple users make do with Apple's opinion of what they should
have.
There are pros and cons to that. Sure.
No, only cons. Freedom of choice is the ultimate requirement in anything. >>
and ones that are in many ways well ahead of what Intel and AMD offer? >>>>I've just told you they aren't ahead. They're all coming up with new things
all the time. Sometimes one leapfrogs the other.
Right now it is pretty well accepted that Apple is ahead. Even Intel clearly
knows that.
And tomorrow it will be pretty well accepted Apple is behind.
Pick a date. I mean it will happen at some time -- but the M3 is likely coming
out soon. Apple is quite a bit ahead for now. What other PC maker left the others in the dust like this for more than year?
Notice I didn't add the pointless word "that". Why do people insert it?
You are questioning why that-clauses exist? Or just why it is used in that example?
https://www.pcmag.com/news/intel-ceo-we-hope-to-win-back-apple-as-a-chip-customer-one-day
Does not mean they are ahead in all areas -- the M-series does have
weaknesses.
It's not Apple making something amazing, it's just technology moving >>>>>> forwards.
The Apple M-series chips are an example of Apple pushing technology forward.
And tomorrow one of the others will do the same.
Sure. But what other computer company does it as often as Apple?
Often doesn't matter. What matters is how good the products are. And on
average it's pretty much the same.
Each has pros and cons... but for my use Apple is *generally* ahead. Their UI advantage is, I think, eroding... and that bothers me.
I do like their
automation options, their relative good use of consistency, and how they let me focus on the task and not the tool better than Windows does (though I am also outdated on Windows, so maybe Windows 10/11 has improved).
Apple users always make a fuss when Apple does something, even though every
other manufacturer is doing similar things.
What other computer maker is using their own chips,
Why is that of any importance?
"even though every other manufacturer is doing similar things."
Do they?
Yes, it's in their best interests.
So which one does?
All of them, which is why Apple hasn't skyrocketed to computers 100 times more
powerful than everyone else. They get slightly better, then another gets slightly better, and so on.
Apple does a lot of unique things. Handling the hardware and software... and
in this case a pretty extreme case of hardware.
Making our choice more limited.
Nothing they offer limits you choice. You, in fact, choose to not use them. >> They have no control over that. Apple offers choices you choose to not use.
Idiot, clearly I meant once you have bought an Apple and gone down that route,
you can't just buy any hardware to add.
I can plug any piece of hardware I like into this machine, and it'll just >>> work.
What hardware do you use which does not work on a Mac?
Oh go and read some websites about Mac upgrades will you? It's common knowledge. The OS only works with a limited set of hardware.
And anyway, most computers are not made by one company. This computer has an
Intel CPU, and AMD graphics card, an MSI motherboard, a corsair power supply,
crucial memory, and a western digital NVME. You see PC users get to choose
what they prefer. Apple users make do with Apple's opinion of what they should
have.
There are pros and cons to that. Sure.
No, only cons. Freedom of choice is the ultimate requirement in anything. >>>
and ones that are in many ways well ahead of what Intel and AMD offer? >>>>>I've just told you they aren't ahead. They're all coming up with new things
all the time. Sometimes one leapfrogs the other.
Right now it is pretty well accepted that Apple is ahead. Even Intel clearly
knows that.
And tomorrow it will be pretty well accepted Apple is behind.
Pick a date. I mean it will happen at some time -- but the M3 is likely coming
out soon. Apple is quite a bit ahead for now. What other PC maker left the >> others in the dust like this for more than year?
All of them. Go and look back in history.
Notice I didn't add the pointless word "that". Why do people insert it?
You are questioning why that-clauses exist? Or just why it is used in that >> example?
Everywhere.
"I see that it's raining" has precisely the same meaning as "I see it's raining".
Sometimes it's even used twice!
"I see that that was the right choice to make" has precisely the same meaning as "I see that was the right choice to make.
https://www.pcmag.com/news/intel-ceo-we-hope-to-win-back-apple-as-a-chip-customer-one-day
Does not mean they are ahead in all areas -- the M-series does have
weaknesses.
It's not Apple making something amazing, it's just technology moving >>>>>>> forwards.
The Apple M-series chips are an example of Apple pushing technology forward.
And tomorrow one of the others will do the same.
Sure. But what other computer company does it as often as Apple?
Often doesn't matter. What matters is how good the products are. And on
average it's pretty much the same.
Each has pros and cons... but for my use Apple is *generally* ahead. Their UI
advantage is, I think, eroding... and that bothers me.
All interfaces are going backwards. They're breaking simple things, they're removing useful things.
The second one indicates perhaps they believe we're all thick and it has to get simple enough for a 6 year old to use, but the first one can only mean thicko useless inadequately mentally fitted programmers.
An example: In the few most recent versions of Windows, the search function simply doesn't work. Quite often you search for "Jim" in a folder of receipts,
and I can easily see there are five files right in front of me with Jim in the
filename, yet it says "no results found".
Millions of people complaining on forums, no solution found. Yet in DOS.... "dir Jim*.*" finds them all 100% of the time. Why is this? How can they break such a simple function, then fail to repair it in the next several years!?
I do like their
automation options, their relative good use of consistency, and how they let >> me focus on the task and not the tool better than Windows does (though I am >> also outdated on Windows, so maybe Windows 10/11 has improved).
That's just your mindset. I hate that sort of focus. I don't want anything taken away from me.
For example I never ever use synch systems. I save my file where I know it is. I don't want to trust it probably got duplicated to some other place I'm not sure of and will probably appear in a similar place on another machine.
If I wanted it there I'd put it there. It's like employing a servant in your house who makes their own decisions, so you can never find anything.
On Friday, 28 April 2023 at 04:53:49 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Idiot, clearly I meant once you have bought an Apple and gone down that route, you can't just buy any hardware to add.
Havene't found anything I can't buy to connect to my Apple.
Almost any product that is USB compatable can be connected.
Oh go and read some websites about Mac upgrades will you? It's common knowledge. The OS only works with a limited set of hardware.
Not that limited .
In fact PCs are more limited I can format a SD or TF card
or HD or SSDs for various Mac OS or FAT or EXFAT .
But the PCs can't format anything that is Mac OS.
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 22:13:24 +0100, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 14, 2023 at 2:02:50 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote <op.13esq...@ryzen.home>:
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 21:05:56 +0100, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 14, 2023 at 12:56:30 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.13epo...@ryzen.home>:
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 14:58:58 +0100, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>
On Apr 14, 2023 at 12:01:28 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.13dps...@ryzen.home>:
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 05:30:44 +0100, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 13, 2023 at 8:25:44 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote >>>>>>> <op.13dfs...@ryzen.home>:
"In 2020, Apple made an announcement that was no less shocking for the fact
that many had predicted it would arrive"
I can't even begin to work out what that's meant to mean!
While many had predicted Macs might move from Intel to their own chips, few
thought it would happen any time soon. And then the chips were introduced and
they were pretty amazing.
Apple users always make a fuss when Apple does something, even though every
other manufacturer is doing similar things.
What other computer maker is using their own chips,
Why is that of any importance?
"even though every other manufacturer is doing similar things."
Do they?
Yes, it's in their best interests.
So which one does?All of them, which is why Apple hasn't skyrocketed to computers 100 times more powerful than everyone else. They get slightly better, then another gets slightly better, and so on.
Apple does a lot of unique things. Handling the hardware and software... and
in this case a pretty extreme case of hardware.
Making our choice more limited.
Nothing they offer limits you choice. You, in fact, choose to not use them.Idiot, clearly I meant once you have bought an Apple and gone down that route, you can't just buy any hardware to add.
They have no control over that. Apple offers choices you choose to not use.
I can plug any piece of hardware I like into this machine, and it'll just >> work.
What hardware do you use which does not work on a Mac?Oh go and read some websites about Mac upgrades will you? It's common knowledge. The OS only works with a limited set of hardware.
And anyway, most computers are not made by one company. This computer has an
Intel CPU, and AMD graphics card, an MSI motherboard, a corsair power supply,
crucial memory, and a western digital NVME. You see PC users get to choose
what they prefer. Apple users make do with Apple's opinion of what they should
have.
There are pros and cons to that. Sure.
No, only cons. Freedom of choice is the ultimate requirement in anything. >>
and ones that are in many ways well ahead of what Intel and AMD offer? >>>>I've just told you they aren't ahead. They're all coming up with new things
all the time. Sometimes one leapfrogs the other.
Right now it is pretty well accepted that Apple is ahead. Even Intel clearly
knows that.
And tomorrow it will be pretty well accepted Apple is behind.
Pick a date. I mean it will happen at some time -- but the M3 is likely comingAll of them. Go and look back in history.
out soon. Apple is quite a bit ahead for now. What other PC maker left the others in the dust like this for more than year?
The Apple M-series chips are an example of Apple pushing technology forward.
And tomorrow one of the others will do the same.
Sure. But what other computer company does it as often as Apple?
Often doesn't matter. What matters is how good the products are. And on >> average it's pretty much the same.
Each has pros and cons... but for my use Apple is *generally* ahead. Their UIAll interfaces are going backwards. They're breaking simple things, they're removing useful things.
advantage is, I think, eroding... and that bothers me.
The second one indicates perhaps they believe we're all thick and it has to get simple enough for a 6 year old to use, but the first one can only mean thicko useless inadequately mentally fitted programmers.
An example: In the few most recent versions of Windows, the search function simply doesn't work. Quite often you search for "Jim" in a folder of receipts, and I can easily see there are five files right in front of me with Jim in the filename, yet itsays "no results found". Millions of people complaining on forums, no solution found. Yet in DOS.... "dir Jim*.*" finds them all 100% of the time. Why is this? How can they break such a simple function, then fail to repair it in the next several years!?
I do like theirThat's just your mindset. I hate that sort of focus. I don't want anything taken away from me. For example I never ever use synch systems. I save my file where I know it is.
automation options, their relative good use of consistency, and how they let
me focus on the task and not the tool better than Windows does (though I am
also outdated on Windows, so maybe Windows 10/11 has improved).
I don't want to trust it probably got duplicated to some other place I'm not sure of and will probably appear in a similar place on another machine. If I wanted it there I'd put it there. It's like employing a servant in your house who makes their owndecisions, so you can never find anything.
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