Now, the only thing I'm missing is the other data I accessed sometimes,
such as banking and personal ID stuff (like driving licence number etc.).
I've been messing about with my features, as usual, and although I've liked using BitWarden as a password manager, I personally prefer a more simplified workflow.
So I decided to have a look into the new features in Keychain/Apple Passwords,
such as the Authenticator.
That's kind of been a revelation to me. I was using Authy, but found it to be cumbersome to use, having to switch back and forth between apps to obtain and enter codes.
The built in one, at first, seemed to not be clear how it worked. Perhaps because I was overthinking it. It's almost too simple, and just works with a click once setup.
I've also noticed that in recent times, that it's also become much more reliable than others I've used. I quite often had to go back into BitWarden and manually hunt out the password history and paste into updated or new logins (or enter the username manually). Enpass before that was similar.
As most of my usage is now on the iPad Pro, and i-devices in general, I'm tending to mostly use Apple stuff for most tasks - Safari, Mail, Photos and all iCloud stuff. Mainly because I prefer the more seamless integration I experience this way, so the built in Keychain is actually all I need for 99% of my login things.
Now, the only thing I'm missing is the other data I accessed sometimes, such as banking and personal ID stuff (like driving licence number etc.).
Any suggestions for that? Use the hidden notes box in each password item, make
secure Notes, or maybe just keep BitWarden for those things?
Am 22.04.23 um 15:20 schrieb Andy Hewitt:
Now, the only thing I'm missing is the other data I accessed sometimes,
such as banking and personal ID stuff (like driving licence number etc.).
I built an encrypted database for all my logins and passwords even for
my credit card, banking and other non-internet accesses. I use a Libre
Office Calc Spreadsheet for this.
My wife requested me to do that for hers as well.
I need it that way because I use a lot of Open Source software and Linux
in addition to my leading Macs.
Perhaps that could be a solution for you.
So I decided to have a look into the new features in Keychain/Apple Passwords, such as the Authenticator.
On 22 Apr 2023, Andy Hewitt wrote
(in article <u20mvm$39hk9$1@dont-email.me>):
So I decided to have a look into the new features in Keychain/Apple
Passwords, such as the Authenticator.
What are these, then? Are we just talking about iPhone and iPad, or are they on MacOS as well?
...As most of my usage is now on the iPad Pro, and i-devices in general,
I'm tending to mostly use Apple stuff for most tasks - Safari, Mail,
Photos and all iCloud stuff. Mainly because I prefer the more seamless integration I experience this way, so the built in Keychain is actually
all I need for 99% of my login things.
Now, the only thing I'm missing is the other data I accessed sometimes,
such as banking and personal ID stuff (like driving licence number etc.).
Any suggestions for that? Use the hidden notes box in each password
item, make secure Notes, or maybe just keep BitWarden for those things?
On 22 Apr 2023, Andy Hewitt wrote
(in article <u20mvm$39hk9$1@dont-email.me>):
...As most of my usage is now on the iPad Pro, and i-devices in general,
I'm tending to mostly use Apple stuff for most tasks - Safari, Mail,
Photos and all iCloud stuff. Mainly because I prefer the more seamless
integration I experience this way, so the built in Keychain is actually
all I need for 99% of my login things.
Now, the only thing I'm missing is the other data I accessed sometimes,
such as banking and personal ID stuff (like driving licence number etc.).
Any suggestions for that? Use the hidden notes box in each password
item, make secure Notes, or maybe just keep BitWarden for those things?
Honestly I’m still on 1Password mostly because there’s no good client software for the Apple password stuff. I’d move over if could, but 1Password has the client side down pat.
The extra fields you’re talking about, the organisation where you can add extra sections (and extra URLs where the password is valid, useful for the .com/.co.uk-type situations amongst others), categorisation, the fact that the Mac KeyChain is filled with inscrutable system stuff...all of it points to me still using a separate client for this.
I’d like to move over, but honestly right now I just don’t feel the UI side of it is normal user-friendly.
A couple of years ago I switched to BitWarden, which I actually have
paid the subscription for, but at $10/year I find that very palatable.
In all cases though, I found it very hit and miss whether they would
reliably work with all website logins. Sometimes not picking up a new
user registration details, sometimes not filling in all of the boxes
(often missing the username box), and often not filling in automatically
when returning to a site to log back in.
I dropped 1Password a few years ago, once they started pushing the subscription model too much. It was just too expensive for my taste at
the time.
On 24 Apr 2023 at 10:39:34 am BST, "Andy Hewitt" <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:
A couple of years ago I switched to BitWarden, which I actually have
paid the subscription for, but at $10/year I find that very palatable.
In all cases though, I found it very hit and miss whether they would
reliably work with all website logins. Sometimes not picking up a new
user registration details, sometimes not filling in all of the boxes
(often missing the username box), and often not filling in automatically
when returning to a site to log back in.
I'm finding (anecdote not data) that BitWarden seems much improved in the last
few months. I'm rarely having to do the password history hunt. I haven't checked on the forums to see if my impression correlates with any actual changes.
Also the cmd-shift-L shortcut to fill in forms (don't actually know how long that's existed) has improved the quality of life!
In article <u25iom$9k5i$1@dont-email.me>, Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:
I dropped 1Password a few years ago, once they started pushing the
subscription model too much. It was just too expensive for my taste at
the time.
the old non-subscription version still works.
Of the lot, I have found the built in Keychain system has been the most reliable for all of that. Which is one of the reasons I wanted to switch back to just using it.
Certainly for just website logins it does what's needed there. I recently added 'Shortcut' that allows it to be accessed with a single click on my iDevices, and behave a bit more like an 'App'.
On 25 Apr 2023 at 07:35:15 BST, David Kennedy wrote:
On 24/04/2023 10:39, Andy Hewitt wrote:
Of the lot, I have found the built in Keychain system has been the mostIt mostly does what it says on the tin.
reliable for all of that. Which is one of the reasons I wanted to switch back
to just using it.
Certainly for just website logins it does what's needed there. I recently >>> added 'Shortcut' that allows it to be accessed with a single click on my >>> iDevices, and behave a bit more like an 'App'.
I've been using Keychain for the past couple of years and it's been solid, working well between Apple devices.
I do however feel I'm lulling myself into a false sense of security by using Apple logins and secure passwords. Come the day (and that day will come) when it stops working I'll be stuffed . . .
Prompted by this thread I just tried exporting Keychain logins - doesn't seem to work - the 'Export' option is greyed out.
On 25 Apr 2023 at 07:35:15 BST, David Kennedy wrote:
On 24/04/2023 10:39, Andy Hewitt wrote:
Of the lot, I have found the built in Keychain system has been the mostIt mostly does what it says on the tin.
reliable for all of that. Which is one of the reasons I wanted to switch back
to just using it.
Certainly for just website logins it does what's needed there. I recently >>> added 'Shortcut' that allows it to be accessed with a single click on my >>> iDevices, and behave a bit more like an 'App'.
I've been using Keychain for the past couple of years and it's been solid, working well between Apple devices.
I do however feel I'm lulling myself into a false sense of security by using Apple logins and secure passwords. Come the day (and that day will come) when it stops working I'll be stuffed . . .
Prompted by this thread I just tried exporting Keychain logins - doesn't seem to work - the 'Export' option is greyed out.
On 24/04/2023 10:39, Andy Hewitt wrote:
Of the lot, I have found the built in Keychain system has been the mostIt mostly does what it says on the tin.
reliable for all of that. Which is one of the reasons I wanted to switch back
to just using it.
Certainly for just website logins it does what's needed there. I recently
added 'Shortcut' that allows it to be accessed with a single click on my
iDevices, and behave a bit more like an 'App'.
On 25/04/2023 11:28, RJH wrote:
On 25 Apr 2023 at 07:35:15 BST, David Kennedy wrote:
On 24/04/2023 10:39, Andy Hewitt wrote:
Of the lot, I have found the built in Keychain system has been the most >>>> reliable for all of that. Which is one of the reasons I wanted to switch backIt mostly does what it says on the tin.
to just using it.
Certainly for just website logins it does what's needed there. I recently >>>> added 'Shortcut' that allows it to be accessed with a single click on my >>>> iDevices, and behave a bit more like an 'App'.
I've been using Keychain for the past couple of years and it's been solid, >> working well between Apple devices.
I do however feel I'm lulling myself into a false sense of security by using >> Apple logins and secure passwords. Come the day (and that day will come) when
it stops working I'll be stuffed . . .
Prompted by this thread I just tried exporting Keychain logins - doesn't seem
to work - the 'Export' option is greyed out.
In Ventura, you can export login passwords using the
Preferences/Passwords panel, click the three dots next to the search box (also greyed out in the Keychain app here, so I guess they've moved the functionality across).
No idea on iDevices though, such options don't even seem available at all.
On 25 Apr 2023 at 11:56:58 BST, Andy Hewitt wrote:
On 25/04/2023 11:28, RJH wrote:
On 25 Apr 2023 at 07:35:15 BST, David Kennedy wrote:
On 24/04/2023 10:39, Andy Hewitt wrote:
Of the lot, I have found the built in Keychain system has been the most >>>>> reliable for all of that. Which is one of the reasons I wanted to switch backIt mostly does what it says on the tin.
to just using it.
Certainly for just website logins it does what's needed there. I recently >>>>> added 'Shortcut' that allows it to be accessed with a single click on my >>>>> iDevices, and behave a bit more like an 'App'.
I've been using Keychain for the past couple of years and it's been solid, >>> working well between Apple devices.
I do however feel I'm lulling myself into a false sense of security by using
Apple logins and secure passwords. Come the day (and that day will come) when
it stops working I'll be stuffed . . .
Prompted by this thread I just tried exporting Keychain logins - doesn't seem
to work - the 'Export' option is greyed out.
In Ventura, you can export login passwords using the
Preferences/Passwords panel, click the three dots next to the search box
(also greyed out in the Keychain app here, so I guess they've moved the
functionality across).
Many thanks - that's diabolically simple!
https://www.idownloadblog.com/2020/02/14/import-export-icloud-keychain-passwords/
Specifically it says:
'Important note: Starting with macOS Big Sur and later, you can’t export passwords from Mac’s Keychain Access app, but only export certain saved certificates and keys.
Keep in mind that not all passwords will be available for export. So as
you go through this process, if the Export feature is grayed out, then
one or more of your selected items cannot be exported.'
You can also export from Safari.
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