So when will I get mine? I'm on Id / Three - is that significant? Maybe the calls are phased? Perhaps I'm regarded as dispensable ;)
So when will I get mine? I’m on Id / Three - is that significant? Maybe the calls are phased? Perhaps I’m regarded as dispensable ;)
On 23/04/2023 15:15, Alan B wrote:
So when will I get mine? I’m on Id / Three - is that significant? Maybe the
calls are phased? Perhaps I’m regarded as dispensable ;)
Sounds like you're dispensable!
FWIW, one iPhone on Giffgaff with alerts on did receive the alert, at 14.59.
A second iPhone with alerts off didn't sound the alert as expected but
also no sign of it in messages nor notifications, which I think is a bit
of an omission.
A third iPhone with no SIM and an Android with no SIM also didn't get
the alert so it looks like a SIM is required even though these last two
are supposed to be able to make emergency calls. (Perhaps they can't but
I'm not going to test that!)
In article <u23ei0$3r7aj$1@alanrichardbarker.eternal-september.org>,
Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
So when will I get mine? I’m on Id / Three - is that significant?
There are reports of problems with Three.
But then that's the point of a test.
-- Richard
Putin will be having a bit of a laugh then ;)
So when will I get mine? I’m on Id / Three - is that significant?
So when will I get mine? I’m on Id / Three - is that significant? Maybe the calls are phased? Perhaps I’m regarded as dispensable ;)
So when will I get mine? I’m on Id / Three - is that significant? Maybe the calls are phased? Perhaps I’m regarded as dispensable ;)
On 23/04/2023 15:15, Alan B wrote:
So when will I get mine? I’m on Id / Three - is that significant?
Maybe the
calls are phased? Perhaps I’m regarded as dispensable ;)
Sounds like you're dispensable!
FWIW, one iPhone on Giffgaff with alerts on did receive the alert, at
14.59.
A second iPhone with alerts off didn't sound the alert as expected but
also no sign of it in messages nor notifications, which I think is a bit
of an omission.
A third iPhone with no SIM and an Android with no SIM also didn't get
the alert so it looks like a SIM is required even though these last two
are supposed to be able to make emergency calls. (Perhaps they can't but
I'm not going to test that!)
On 23/04/2023 16:22, Richard Tobin wrote:
In article <u23ei0$3r7aj$1@alanrichardbarker.eternal-september.org>,Well, we had a failed alert here too. On Tesco [O2]
Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
So when will I get mine? I’m on Id / Three - is that significant?
There are reports of problems with Three.
But then that's the point of a test.
-- Richard
In article <u23ei0$3r7aj$1@alanrichardbarker.eternal-september.org>,
Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
So when will I get mine? I’m on Id / Three - is that significant?
There are reports of problems with Three.
But then that's the point of a test.
-- Richard
However, also according to t'News it only works on 4G and 5G phones, any connected to 2G or 3G, or Wifi, won't get it, and some older phones
won't either (apparently - but that is from our UK media!).
On 2023-04-23 14:15:28 +0000, Alan B said:
So when will I get mine? I’m on Id / Three - is that significant? Maybe the
calls are phased? Perhaps I’m regarded as dispensable ;)
A number people I know didn't get it. Several are on 3. News reports "Thousands on 3 did not recieve emergenct test alert".
Am 23.04.23 um 20:02 schrieb Mark:
On 2023-04-23 14:15:28 +0000, Alan B said:
So when will I get mine? I’m on Id / Three - is that significant? Maybe the
calls are phased? Perhaps I’m regarded as dispensable ;)
A number people I know didn't get it. Several are on 3. News reports
"Thousands on 3 did not recieve emergenct test alert".
A very expensive disaster and it shows that CB is very unreliable and
not qualified to be a part of an emergency organisation.
Am 23.04.23 um 20:02 schrieb Mark:
On 2023-04-23 14:15:28 +0000, Alan B said:
So when will I get mine? I'm on Id / Three - is that significant? Maybe the
calls are phased? Perhaps I'm regarded as dispensable ;)
A number people I know didn't get it. Several are on 3. News reports "Thousands on 3 did not recieve emergenct test alert".
A very expensive disaster and it shows that CB is very unreliable and
not qualified to be a part of an emergency organisation.
A very expensive disaster and it shows that CB is very unreliable and
not qualified to be a part of an emergency organisation.
In article <u244rl$3scap$1@solani.org>, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
A very expensive disaster and it shows that CB is very unreliable and
not qualified to be a part of an emergency organisation.
Do you actually have any concrete information about how much it cost
and how successful it was? It seems surprising that you would know so
much about it so soon - as if you had inside information! In fact it suggests that you had already come to your conclusions beforehand.
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
Am 23.04.23 um 20:02 schrieb Mark:
On 2023-04-23 14:15:28 +0000, Alan B said:
So when will I get mine? I'm on Id / Three - is that significant? Maybe the
calls are phased? Perhaps I'm regarded as dispensable ;)
A number people I know didn't get it. Several are on 3. News reports
"Thousands on 3 did not recieve emergenct test alert".
A very expensive disaster and it shows that CB is very unreliable and
not qualified to be a part of an emergency organisation.
It was a test. The purpose of testing is to detect problems
so that they can be rectified. Is that a disaster?
Andy Hewitt wrote:
[snip]
However, also according to t'News it only works on 4G and 5G phones, any
connected to 2G or 3G, or Wifi, won't get it, and some older phones
won't either (apparently - but that is from our UK media!).
So does anybody have a link to an authoritative source of information on
how this is supposed to work?
Am 24.04.23 um 03:22 schrieb Richard Tobin:
In article <u244rl$3scap$1@solani.org>, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
A very expensive disaster and it shows that CB is very unreliable and
not qualified to be a part of an emergency organisation.
Do you actually have any concrete information about how much it cost
and how successful it was? It seems surprising that you would know so
much about it so soon - as if you had inside information! In fact it
suggests that you had already come to your conclusions beforehand.
1 smartphone not receiving the alert can mean live or death.
CB is a an additional unimportant and unreliable channel not more. For
this the *cost have to be not materially different from Zero*.
The international experience is very sobering and the UK btw is late to
the party. Very late.
Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:
Andy Hewitt wrote:
[snip]
However, also according to t'News it only works on 4G and 5G phones, any >>> connected to 2G or 3G, or Wifi, won't get it, and some older phones
won't either (apparently - but that is from our UK media!).
So does anybody have a link to an authoritative source of information on
how this is supposed to work?
I mean the government have webpages on this. Good enough? https://www.gov.uk/alerts
Chris wrote:
Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:
Andy Hewitt wrote:
[snip]
However, also according to t'News it only works on 4G and 5G phones,
any
connected to 2G or 3G, or Wifi, won't get it, and some older phones
won't either (apparently - but that is from our UK media!).
So does anybody have a link to an authoritative source of information on >>> how this is supposed to work?
I mean the government have webpages on this. Good enough?
https://www.gov.uk/alerts
No - it doesn't explain anything about how it works in technical detail.
For example:
Does it use the same transmit mechanism as SMS?
Is there a dedicated emergency receive mode built into some or all phones?
Is it designed to work if there is no SIM card in the phone?
In article <u23ei0$3r7aj$1@alanrichardbarker.eternal-september.org>,
Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
So when will I get mine? I’m on Id / Three - is that significant?
There are reports of problems with Three.
But then that's the point of a test.
Chris wrote:
Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:
Andy Hewitt wrote:
[snip]
However, also according to t'News it only works on 4G and 5G phones,
any
connected to 2G or 3G, or Wifi, won't get it, and some older phones
won't either (apparently - but that is from our UK media!).
So does anybody have a link to an authoritative source of information on >>> how this is supposed to work?
I mean the government have webpages on this. Good enough?
https://www.gov.uk/alerts
No - it doesn't explain anything about how it works in technical detail.
For example:
Does it use the same transmit mechanism as SMS?
Is there a dedicated emergency receive mode built into some or all phones?
Is it designed to work if there is no SIM card in the phone?
No - it doesn't explain anything about how it works in technical detail.
For example:
Does it use the same transmit mechanism as SMS?
Is there a dedicated emergency receive mode built into some or all
phones?
Is it designed to work if there is no SIM card in the phone?
According to the article I read, no, it doesn't work without a SIM. It
seems to be transmitted only through the 4G/5G network. That would
suggest it isn't using the SMS system (which was never even intended to
be used as a public messaging system anyway).
Otherwise, don't know. Perhaps they only released information directly
to the media (not sure how that works, that's just a guess).
So when will I get mine? I’m on Id / Three - is that significant? Maybe the calls are phased? Perhaps I’m regarded as dispensable ;)
No - it doesn't explain anything about how it works in technical detail.
For example:
Does it use the same transmit mechanism as SMS?
Is there a dedicated emergency receive mode built into some or all phones?
Is it designed to work if there is no SIM card in the phone?
Is it designed to work if there is no SIM card in the phone?
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
Am 24.04.23 um 03:22 schrieb Richard Tobin:
In article <u244rl$3scap$1@solani.org>, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch>
wrote:
A very expensive disaster and it shows that CB is very unreliable and
not qualified to be a part of an emergency organisation.
Do you actually have any concrete information about how much it cost
and how successful it was? It seems surprising that you would know so
much about it so soon - as if you had inside information! In fact it
suggests that you had already come to your conclusions beforehand.
1 smartphone not receiving the alert can mean live or death.
Not true. People aren't hermits and pretty much everyone would have had contact with someone who did get the alert.
Not true. People aren't hermits and pretty much everyone would have had
contact with someone who did get the alert.
You obviously don't live in the countryside. There are still places
only a few miles from major cities where there is no mobile 'phone
coverage at all and neighbours meet each other less than once a week.
Liz Tuddenham wrote:
[snip]
Not true. People aren't hermits and pretty much everyone would have had
contact with someone who did get the alert.
You obviously don't live in the countryside. There are still places
only a few miles from major cities where there is no mobile 'phone
coverage at all and neighbours meet each other less than once a week.
Mostly they can't get any sort of broadband either!
Andy Hewitt wrote:
[snip]
However, also according to t'News it only works on 4G and 5G phones,
any connected to 2G or 3G, or Wifi, won't get it, and some older
phones won't either (apparently - but that is from our UK media!).
So does anybody have a link to an authoritative source of information on
how this is supposed to work?
On 23/04/2023 21:35, Graham J wrote:
Andy Hewitt wrote:
[snip]
However, also according to t'News it only works on 4G and 5G phones,
any connected to 2G or 3G, or Wifi, won't get it, and some older
phones won't either (apparently - but that is from our UK media!).
So does anybody have a link to an authoritative source of information
on how this is supposed to work?
<https://medium.com/@frazer_HX/a-history-of-emergency-alerts-in-the-uk-part-1-the-early-d̶a̶y̶s̶-years-2012-2018-fcd5f28cad88>
Any use?
On 24/04/2023 12:28, Graham J wrote:
Liz Tuddenham wrote:
[snip]
Not true. People aren't hermits and pretty much everyone would have had >>>> contact with someone who did get the alert.
You obviously don't live in the countryside. There are still places
only a few miles from major cities where there is no mobile 'phone
coverage at all and neighbours meet each other less than once a week.
Mostly they can't get any sort of broadband either!
Hey, that happens in central London too.
"You can't have FTTC because there is nowhere above ground where we can install the cabinet"
In article <u244rl$3scap$1@solani.org>, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
A very expensive disaster and it shows that CB is very unreliable and
not qualified to be a part of an emergency organisation.
Do you actually have any concrete information about how much it cost
and how successful it was? It seems surprising that you would know so
much about it so soon - as if you had inside information! In fact it suggests that you had already come to your conclusions beforehand.
-- Richard
On 23/04/2023 21:35, Graham J wrote:
Andy Hewitt wrote:
[snip]
However, also according to t'News it only works on 4G and 5G phones,
any connected to 2G or 3G, or Wifi, won't get it, and some older
phones won't either (apparently - but that is from our UK media!).
So does anybody have a link to an authoritative source of information
on how this is supposed to work?
<https://medium.com/@frazer_HX/a-history-of-emergency-alerts-in-the-uk-part-1-the-early-d̶a̶y̶s̶-years-2012-2018-fcd5f28cad88>
Any use?
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
Am 24.04.23 um 03:22 schrieb Richard Tobin:
In article <u244rl$3scap$1@solani.org>, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> >>>> wrote:
A very expensive disaster and it shows that CB is very unreliable and >>>>> not qualified to be a part of an emergency organisation.
Do you actually have any concrete information about how much it cost
and how successful it was? It seems surprising that you would know so >>>> much about it so soon - as if you had inside information! In fact it
suggests that you had already come to your conclusions beforehand.
1 smartphone not receiving the alert can mean live or death.
Not true. People aren't hermits and pretty much everyone would have had
contact with someone who did get the alert.
You obviously don't live in the countryside. There are still places
only a few miles from major cities where there is no mobile 'phone
coverage at all and neighbours meet each other less than once a week.
Bruce Horrocks <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:
On 23/04/2023 15:15, Alan B wrote:
So when will I get mine? I’m on Id / Three - is that significant? Maybe the
calls are phased? Perhaps I’m regarded as dispensable ;)
Sounds like you're dispensable!
That’s exactly what Mrs B said. I hope she was only joking ;)
On 23/04/2023 16:00, Alan B wrote:
Bruce Horrocks <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:
On 23/04/2023 15:15, Alan B wrote:
So when will I get mine? I’m on Id / Three - is that significant? Maybe the
calls are phased? Perhaps I’m regarded as dispensable ;)
Sounds like you're dispensable!
That’s exactly what Mrs B said. I hope she was only joking ;)
Now it's official: <https://newsthump.com/2023/04/24/government-confirms-it-only-sent-emergency-alerts-to-the-people-it-would-like-to-save/>
On 23 Apr 2023 at 5:00:24 pm BST, "David Kennedy" <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:
On 23/04/2023 16:22, Richard Tobin wrote:
In article <u23ei0$3r7aj$1@alanrichardbarker.eternal-september.org>,Well, we had a failed alert here too. On Tesco [O2]
Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
So when will I get mine? I’m on Id / Three - is that significant? >>>There are reports of problems with Three.
But then that's the point of a test.
-- Richard
Likewise here, on Giffgaff (O2). Whereas another family member, also on Giffgaff, got it.
Am 23.04.23 um 20:02 schrieb Mark:
On 2023-04-23 14:15:28 +0000, Alan B said:
So when will I get mine? I’m on Id / Three - is that significant? Maybe the
calls are phased? Perhaps I’m regarded as dispensable ;)
A number people I know didn't get it. Several are on 3. News reports
"Thousands on 3 did not recieve emergenct test alert".
A very expensive disaster and it shows that CB is very unreliable and
not qualified to be a part of an emergency organisation.
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
Am 24.04.23 um 03:22 schrieb Richard Tobin:
In article <u244rl$3scap$1@solani.org>, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> >>>> wrote:
A very expensive disaster and it shows that CB is very unreliable and >>>>> not qualified to be a part of an emergency organisation.
Do you actually have any concrete information about how much it cost
and how successful it was? It seems surprising that you would know so >>>> much about it so soon - as if you had inside information! In fact it
suggests that you had already come to your conclusions beforehand.
1 smartphone not receiving the alert can mean live or death.
Not true. People aren't hermits and pretty much everyone would have had
contact with someone who did get the alert.
You obviously don't live in the countryside. There are still places
only a few miles from major cities where there is no mobile 'phone
coverage at all and neighbours meet each other less than once a week.
Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
Am 24.04.23 um 03:22 schrieb Richard Tobin:
In article <u244rl$3scap$1@solani.org>, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> >>>>> wrote:
A very expensive disaster and it shows that CB is very unreliable and >>>>>> not qualified to be a part of an emergency organisation.
Do you actually have any concrete information about how much it cost >>>>> and how successful it was? It seems surprising that you would know so >>>>> much about it so soon - as if you had inside information! In fact it >>>>> suggests that you had already come to your conclusions beforehand.
1 smartphone not receiving the alert can mean live or death.
Not true. People aren't hermits and pretty much everyone would have had
contact with someone who did get the alert.
You obviously don't live in the countryside. There are still places
only a few miles from major cities where there is no mobile 'phone
coverage at all and neighbours meet each other less than once a week.
Am fully aware. There is this fancy bit of technology called the landline.
It is used extensively by rural folk. News travels pretty quickly even without a mobile.
Have an aged relative who is very rural. She knows everything that's going
on using only her landline.
On 24/04/2023 20:37, Chris wrote:
Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:Did she get an alert?
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
Am 24.04.23 um 03:22 schrieb Richard Tobin:
In article <u244rl$3scap$1@solani.org>, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> >>>>>> wrote:
A very expensive disaster and it shows that CB is very unreliable and >>>>>>> not qualified to be a part of an emergency organisation.
Do you actually have any concrete information about how much it cost >>>>>> and how successful it was? It seems surprising that you would know so >>>>>> much about it so soon - as if you had inside information! In fact it >>>>>> suggests that you had already come to your conclusions beforehand.
1 smartphone not receiving the alert can mean live or death.
Not true. People aren't hermits and pretty much everyone would have had >>>> contact with someone who did get the alert.
You obviously don't live in the countryside. There are still places
only a few miles from major cities where there is no mobile 'phone
coverage at all and neighbours meet each other less than once a week.
Am fully aware. There is this fancy bit of technology called the landline. >> It is used extensively by rural folk. News travels pretty quickly even
without a mobile.
Have an aged relative who is very rural. She knows everything that's going >> on using only her landline.
On 23/04/2023 16:00, Alan B wrote:
Bruce Horrocks <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:
On 23/04/2023 15:15, Alan B wrote:
So when will I get mine? I’m on Id / Three - is that significant? Maybe the
calls are phased? Perhaps I’m regarded as dispensable ;)
Sounds like you're dispensable!
That’s exactly what Mrs B said. I hope she was only joking ;)
Now it's official: <https://newsthump.com/2023/04/24/government-confirms-it-only-sent-emergency-alerts-to-the-people-it-would-like-to-save/>
On 24/04/2023 20:37, Chris wrote:
Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:Did she get an alert?
You obviously don't live in the countryside. There are still places
only a few miles from major cities where there is no mobile 'phone
coverage at all and neighbours meet each other less than once a week.
Am fully aware. There is this fancy bit of technology called the landline. >> It is used extensively by rural folk. News travels pretty quickly even
without a mobile.
Have an aged relative who is very rural. She knows everything that's going >> on using only her landline.
David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:
On 24/04/2023 20:37, Chris wrote:
Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:Did she get an alert?
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
Am 24.04.23 um 03:22 schrieb Richard Tobin:
In article <u244rl$3scap$1@solani.org>, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch>1 smartphone not receiving the alert can mean live or death.
wrote:
A very expensive disaster and it shows that CB is very unreliable and >>>>>>> not qualified to be a part of an emergency organisation.
Do you actually have any concrete information about how much it cost >>>>>> and how successful it was? It seems surprising that you would know so >>>>>> much about it so soon - as if you had inside information! In fact it >>>>>> suggests that you had already come to your conclusions beforehand. >>>>>
Not true. People aren't hermits and pretty much everyone would have had >>>> contact with someone who did get the alert.
You obviously don't live in the countryside. There are still places
only a few miles from major cities where there is no mobile 'phone
coverage at all and neighbours meet each other less than once a week.
Am fully aware. There is this fancy bit of technology called the landline. >> It is used extensively by rural folk. News travels pretty quickly even
without a mobile.
Have an aged relative who is very rural. She knows everything that's going >> on using only her landline.
Not the point. ...
David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:
On 24/04/2023 20:37, Chris wrote:
Am fully aware. There is this fancy bit of technology called the landline. >>> It is used extensively by rural folk. News travels pretty quickly evenDid she get an alert?
without a mobile.
Have an aged relative who is very rural. She knows everything that's going >>> on using only her landline.
Not the point. The point is that either way someone would have rung her to check she was ok and/or inform her of the warning.
On 23/04/2023 21:36, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Am 23.04.23 um 20:02 schrieb Mark:I think you phrased that incorrectly, should have read -
On 2023-04-23 14:15:28 +0000, Alan B said:
So when will I get mine? I’m on Id / Three - is that significant? Maybe the
calls are phased? Perhaps I’m regarded as dispensable ;)
A number people I know didn't get it. Several are on 3. News reports
"Thousands on 3 did not recieve emergenct test alert".
A very expensive disaster and it shows that CB is very unreliable and
not qualified to be a part of an emergency organisation.
"A very expensive disaster and it shows that the UK Government is very unreliable and not qualified to be a part of an emergency organisation."
On 25/04/2023 08:44, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Am 25.04.23 um 08:41 schrieb David Kennedy:Well, I strongly suspect that some other governments are equally, if not more,
On 23/04/2023 21:36, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Am 23.04.23 um 20:02 schrieb Mark:I think you phrased that incorrectly, should have read -
On 2023-04-23 14:15:28 +0000, Alan B said:
So when will I get mine? I’m on Id / Three - is that significant? Maybe the
calls are phased? Perhaps I’m regarded as dispensable ;)
A number people I know didn't get it. Several are on 3. News reports >>>>> "Thousands on 3 did not recieve emergenct test alert".
A very expensive disaster and it shows that CB is very unreliable and
not qualified to be a part of an emergency organisation.
"A very expensive disaster and it shows that the UK Government is very
unreliable and not qualified to be a part of an emergency organisation."
Probably this is even more accurate. But other governments in Europe had
similar issues.
incompetent.
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:
On 24/04/2023 20:37, Chris wrote:
Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:Did she get an alert?
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:Am fully aware. There is this fancy bit of technology called the landline. >>>> It is used extensively by rural folk. News travels pretty quickly even >>>> without a mobile.
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
Am 24.04.23 um 03:22 schrieb Richard Tobin:
In article <u244rl$3scap$1@solani.org>, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch>1 smartphone not receiving the alert can mean live or death.
wrote:
A very expensive disaster and it shows that CB is very unreliable and >>>>>>>>> not qualified to be a part of an emergency organisation.
Do you actually have any concrete information about how much it cost >>>>>>>> and how successful it was? It seems surprising that you would know so >>>>>>>> much about it so soon - as if you had inside information! In fact it >>>>>>>> suggests that you had already come to your conclusions beforehand. >>>>>>>
Not true. People aren't hermits and pretty much everyone would have had >>>>>> contact with someone who did get the alert.
You obviously don't live in the countryside. There are still places >>>>> only a few miles from major cities where there is no mobile 'phone
coverage at all and neighbours meet each other less than once a week. >>>>
Have an aged relative who is very rural. She knows everything that's going >>>> on using only her landline.
Not the point. ...
I would have thought it was exactly the point - especially now that a
lot of rurual telephone exchanges have a minimal battery backup and no generator. Mobile 'phone services are just as vulnerable.
The move by the various telecomms companies to sell off their copper and force the customers to run their 'phones through a router is an absolute disaster waiting to happen. One power cut and there is no means of communication at all after a few hours.
Am 25.04.23 um 08:41 schrieb David Kennedy:
On 23/04/2023 21:36, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Am 23.04.23 um 20:02 schrieb Mark:I think you phrased that incorrectly, should have read -
On 2023-04-23 14:15:28 +0000, Alan B said:
So when will I get mine? I’m on Id / Three - is that significant? Maybe the
calls are phased? Perhaps I’m regarded as dispensable ;)
A number people I know didn't get it. Several are on 3. News reports
"Thousands on 3 did not recieve emergenct test alert".
A very expensive disaster and it shows that CB is very unreliable and
not qualified to be a part of an emergency organisation.
"A very expensive disaster and it shows that the UK Government is very
unreliable and not qualified to be a part of an emergency organisation."
Probably this is even more accurate. But other governments in Europe had similar issues.
On 2023-04-25, David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:
On 25/04/2023 08:44, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Am 25.04.23 um 08:41 schrieb David Kennedy:Well, I strongly suspect that some other governments are equally, if not more,
On 23/04/2023 21:36, Joerg Lorenz wrote:Probably this is even more accurate. But other governments in Europe had >>> similar issues.
Am 23.04.23 um 20:02 schrieb Mark:I think you phrased that incorrectly, should have read -
On 2023-04-23 14:15:28 +0000, Alan B said:
So when will I get mine? I’m on Id / Three - is that significant? Maybe the
calls are phased? Perhaps I’m regarded as dispensable ;)
A number people I know didn't get it. Several are on 3. News reports >>>>>> "Thousands on 3 did not recieve emergenct test alert".
A very expensive disaster and it shows that CB is very unreliable and >>>>> not qualified to be a part of an emergency organisation.
"A very expensive disaster and it shows that the UK Government is very >>>> unreliable and not qualified to be a part of an emergency organisation." >>>
incompetent.
Well we'll just to bring back hand cranked sirens and vehicles with onboard PA
systems to spread the bad news.
<https://medium.com/@frazer_HX/a-history-of-emergency-alerts-in-the-uk-part-1-the-early-d̶a̶y̶s̶-years-2012-2018-fcd5f28cad88>
Any use?
Thanks, that's a worthwhile read ...
Graham J wrote:
[snip]
<https://medium.com/@frazer_HX/a-history-of-emergency-alerts-in-the-uk-part-1-the-early-d̶a̶y̶s̶-years-2012-2018-fcd5f28cad88>
Any use?
Thanks, that's a worthwhile read ...
One of the contributing areas of concern was the 1953 flood which
drowned many people in east coast villages. The air raid warning system
was still intact and tested every few months - but was not used!
The reason for this was that there was no central recognition of there
being a problem. It takes over 6 hours for a high tide in Hull to reach Southend. Had somebody in Hull reported the unusually high tide - by telephone - to somewhere central, telephone warnings could have been
sent to every air raid siren operator and local police station, allowing plenty of time for vulnerable populations to get (by walking even!) to
higher ground.
Cell Broadcast would not have helped - even bush telegraph would have
been sufficient!
On 25/04/2023 08:44, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Am 25.04.23 um 08:41 schrieb David Kennedy:Well, I strongly suspect that some other governments are equally, if not more,
"A very expensive disaster and it shows that the UK Government is very
unreliable and not qualified to be a part of an emergency organisation."
Probably this is even more accurate. But other governments in Europe had
similar issues.
incompetent.
Well we'll just to bring back hand cranked sirens and vehicles with onboard PA
systems to spread the bad news.
On 25/04/2023 10:59, Graham J wrote:
Graham J wrote:
[snip]
<https://medium.com/@frazer_HX/a-history-of-emergency-alerts-in-the-uk-part-1-the-early-d̶a̶y̶s̶-years-2012-2018-fcd5f28cad88>
Any use?
Thanks, that's a worthwhile read ...
One of the contributing areas of concern was the 1953 flood which
drowned many people in east coast villages. The air raid warning system
was still intact and tested every few months - but was not used!
The reason for this was that there was no central recognition of there
being a problem. It takes over 6 hours for a high tide in Hull to reach
Southend. Had somebody in Hull reported the unusually high tide - by
telephone - to somewhere central, telephone warnings could have been
sent to every air raid siren operator and local police station, allowing
plenty of time for vulnerable populations to get (by walking even!) to
higher ground.
Cell Broadcast would not have helped - even bush telegraph would have
been sufficient!
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. Your example is of an opportunity missed that could have saved lives. This is an age old story which repeats with sad inevitability. No doubt the inquiry identified
this and reasonable measures for the time were put in place.
Many years later the Met Office / Environment Agency now has
sophisticated flood prediction and monitoring capabilities, able to
determine specific stretches of coastline or river at specific times,
thus making Cell Broadcast particularly suited to reach just those
people who chose or have had to stay behind despite earlier, more
general warnings on TV and radio.
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