David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:

7th of May!

Any thoughts?

New iPads, but there's nothing wrong with old iPads because they're all held back by the limitations of iPadOS. Give me MacOS on an iPad, or the ability
to run VMs, and we'll talk.

New Mac Minis (maybe), but 8GB/256GB as the starting spec is too low these days, and the markups to go higher (which don't tend to be discounted by retailers as they're special order from Apple) are egregious.

Those will never happen, </humbug>

Theo

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David Kennedy wrote:

[snip]

It might be nice to have a phone with the latest processor but with a
choice of camera. Lets keep the cost down. Not everyone wants/needs an
all singing/dancing camera. Some people just want the occasional decent photo...

I would be happy with a phone that just makes and receives phone calls,
at minimum cost, and comfortably small.

If I want a camera I will use a separate device, ideally one with a real optical viewfinder that works in bright sunshine!

--
Graham J

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On 24 Apr 2024 at 11:33:27 BST, "Graham J" <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:

David Kennedy wrote:

[snip]

It might be nice to have a phone with the latest processor but with a
choice of camera. Lets keep the cost down. Not everyone wants/needs an
all singing/dancing camera. Some people just want the occasional decent
photo...

I would be happy with a phone that just makes and receives phone calls,
at minimum cost, and comfortably small.

And texts. If we're gonna be stuck with this 2FA business, we'll need texts - and an Address Book for the phone part. But that's all. Then we can let this social media / WhatsApp garbage die the death it deserves.

If I want a camera I will use a separate device, ideally one with a real optical viewfinder that works in bright sunshine!

You mean you don't want the ability to film these meteor strikes, bank robberies, plane and train crashes, tsunamis, etc etc, which are part and
pacel of everyone's daily life? You astonish me.

--
Tim

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On Wed, 24 Apr 2024 11:33:27 +0100, Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk>
wrote:

David Kennedy wrote:

[snip]

It might be nice to have a phone with the latest processor but with a
choice of camera. Lets keep the cost down. Not everyone wants/needs an
all singing/dancing camera. Some people just want the occasional decent
photo...

I would be happy with a phone that just makes and receives phone calls,
at minimum cost, and comfortably small.

If I want a camera I will use a separate device, ideally one with a real >optical viewfinder that works in bright sunshine!

My iPad 6 works fine in sunlight. Also in darkness though that can be
a little iffy if I don't select options and tick "buttons". And
holding it by hand can have interesting "star-trail" like effects as
I'm not a rigid body. :)

I have no idea about recenter iPads as I only bought mine cheap so I
could "helpdesk" relatives. Still, it's a lovely little machine, even
if the OS does have limitations.

And I still want a bloody *wired* keyboard for it. :)

J.

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On 24 Apr 2024 10:46:29 +0100 (BST), Theo
<theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:

7th of May!

Any thoughts?

New iPads, but there's nothing wrong with old iPads because they're all held >back by the limitations of iPadOS. Give me MacOS on an iPad, or the ability >to run VMs, and we'll talk.

Is that possible? Or, even having "jail-broken" an iPad, does the
hardware restrict its powers?

New Mac Minis (maybe), but 8GB/256GB as the starting spec is too low these >days,

That depends upon what you do with it. My 8/256 Mini, that I was
given as a gift, runs BOINC and GIMPS projects just fine along with
emails, webbies and other stuff. It runs unattended, 24/7 and is just
the perfect house-guest.

True, I don't video edit on it nor run massive games but for what I
use it, it's a marvelous machine. I'm really pleased with her and
Apple should be proud of making such a critter.

and the markups to go higher (which don't tend to be discounted by
retailers as they're special order from Apple) are egregious.

Now that is ever so very true. However, it's been Apple policy since
they started doing computers and they are never going to change it.

Why make five monies of profit on a RAM chip when you can make two
thousand each and still have a huge and loyal customer base? The
policy has worked since the days of Ur of the Chaldees so Apple are
not going to change it just to benefit us.

Indeed, by "Dodge versus Ford", they probably can't.

Those will never happen, </humbug>

Some will.

What I do know is that no one is going to sell my vambrace computers
however much I'd like them. Cut-down vambraces as "watches", yes but
their vision doesn't extend far enough to see the potential of the
full things.

I wonder why not?

J.

Theo

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John <Man@the.keyboard> wrote:

On 24 Apr 2024 10:46:29 +0100 (BST), Theo
<theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:

7th of May!

Any thoughts?

New iPads, but there's nothing wrong with old iPads because they're all >held back by the limitations of iPadOS. Give me MacOS on an iPad, or the >ability to run VMs, and we'll talk.

Is that possible? Or, even having "jail-broken" an iPad, does the
hardware restrict its powers?

The self same chip runs MacOS when in a Macbook, so yes it's possible.
Apple will let it run an alternative OS and VMs when in a Mac. But they
lock it down when in an iPad. (iPadOS is just MacOS under the hood with a different UI anyway)

Before anyone comes along screaming 'security', it would be possible to run
VMs or OSes that can't see your iPadOS files (or maybe only a limited shared volume) so as not to break the security of iPadOS.

New Mac Minis (maybe), but 8GB/256GB as the starting spec is too low these >days,

That depends upon what you do with it. My 8/256 Mini, that I was
given as a gift, runs BOINC and GIMPS projects just fine along with
emails, webbies and other stuff. It runs unattended, 24/7 and is just
the perfect house-guest.

True, I don't video edit on it nor run massive games but for what I
use it, it's a marvelous machine. I'm really pleased with her and
Apple should be proud of making such a critter.

I agree that Macs are better at doing more with less. But the base specs
have been the same for a decade or so now, and RAM and SSD have got a lot cheaper.

and the markups to go higher (which don't tend to be discounted by
retailers as they're special order from Apple) are egregious.

Now that is ever so very true. However, it's been Apple policy since
they started doing computers and they are never going to change it.

Not too long ago they had removable RAM and storage, so you could upgrade
them yourself. No longer. I wonder why?

Why make five monies of profit on a RAM chip when you can make two
thousand each and still have a huge and loyal customer base? The
policy has worked since the days of Ur of the Chaldees so Apple are
not going to change it just to benefit us.

That would be why.

(plus some smokescreen about how they couldn't possibly do anything but
solder the chips)

Theo

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On 24 Apr 2024, John wrote
(in article<bnqh2j9pslakqujcrg3nod452bv8fj0i9c@4ax.com>):

That depends upon what you do with it. My 8/256 Mini, that I was
given as a gift, runs BOINC and GIMPS projects just fine along with
emails, webbies and other stuff. It runs unattended, 24/7 and is just
the perfect house-guest.

I'm curious about how this works. Do you have it attached to a screen? A keyboard and mouse? Why do you access emails on a separate computer?

MST

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On 24 Apr 2024 at 22:11:02 BST, "Martin S Taylor" <correspondence@mRaErMtOiVnEsTtHaIySlor.com> wrote:

On 24 Apr 2024, John wrote
(in article<bnqh2j9pslakqujcrg3nod452bv8fj0i9c@4ax.com>):

That depends upon what you do with it. My 8/256 Mini, that I was
given as a gift, runs BOINC and GIMPS projects just fine along with
emails, webbies and other stuff. It runs unattended, 24/7 and is just
the perfect house-guest.

I'm curious about how this works. Do you have it attached to a screen? A keyboard and mouse? Why do you access emails on a separate computer?

Not exactly similar, but I have a Mini that runs nominally headless as a fileserver. If needed, I can plug in the keyboard/mouse from an RPi that I
have for software testing. I use screen-sharing to have that Mini's screen displaying in a space on my Mini.

--
Tim

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On Wed, 24 Apr 2024 22:11:02 +0100, Martin S Taylor <correspondence@mRaErMtOiVnEsTtHaIySlor.com> wrote:

On 24 Apr 2024, John wrote
(in article<bnqh2j9pslakqujcrg3nod452bv8fj0i9c@4ax.com>):

That depends upon what you do with it. My 8/256 Mini, that I was
given as a gift, runs BOINC and GIMPS projects just fine along with
emails, webbies and other stuff. It runs unattended, 24/7 and is just
the perfect house-guest.

I'm curious about how this works.

Interestingly, you are the very first one to ever ask.

Essentially, I set her up, installed and started some BOINC projects
and Mprime from G.I.M.P.S. [ www.mersenne.org ], then watched for a
few seconds as things did things with things. It's nice when someone
gives you a new toy to play with. :)

Do you have it attached to a screen?

Yerp. Had to to set it up. Still do to see results and to fiddle with
the programs as needed. Sometimes, a BOINC project or Mprime will need
to be responded to. That's cool. It rarely takes long.

A keyboard and mouse?

Yerp. Had to to set her up. Still do to enable generic fiddling
about. Dirt cheap KB/mouse wireless pack. They are really Windows
devices but the Mini doesn't care very much. The screen was quite
cheap, too, cheaper and easier to set up than having a switchy box
that allowed the Mini to partner with the Win-7 box.

Anyway, if I ever need to offload the Mini onto some deserving
person, I can offer them a complete package.

Why do you access emails on a separate computer?

Why not? If I'm fiddling about on the Mini, waiting for something to
happen or to stop happening, why not take advantage of the computing
power at my finger-tips? The Mini is awesome at mutli-tasking.

I don't have an employer and I am not a lawyer, doctor, priest nor
any other confidante, it doesn't matter that I'm reading stuff on a
second or even a tenth box from which I can always delete incoming
emails.

Okay, so sometimes, when I was trying to help relatives, I did need
to refer back to emails on the original Win-7 machine but that was
fine. I'd just re-download the new ones from the email servers and
work my magics with the archives.

It's no big issue.

I *could* "network" the two boxes or do some sort of remote viewing
from one to another but that's too much like work. I might get around
to it someday if I get inspired to do so but it's a very unlikely
notion.

The Mini is new and was a gift. I had to really, really kill and nuke
the original User and all of her files and settings after installing a
copy of the User from the MBP that was my wife's machine. Mail and web
settings came with the User, along with loads of other rubbish I'll
never need on the Mini. I've been cleaning the Mini since I set it up,
removing unwanted, unnecessary stuff. Email could eventually be part
of that clean-up, I'm not currently sure.

The Mini is asking me to update Pages, Numbers and some other thingy.
I think I'll just get rid of them instead. I'm *never* going to use
them on that box and, if a subsequent owner needs them, she can always
download them from Apple. I already removed Messy Office from her when
I first set her up. The original owner needed that for her employment,
I do not. That is a happy thing. :)

But she's a lovely machine and I'm happy with her.

J.

MST

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On 24 Apr 2024 21:18:04 GMT, TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:

On 24 Apr 2024 at 22:11:02 BST, "Martin S Taylor" ><correspondence@mRaErMtOiVnEsTtHaIySlor.com> wrote:

On 24 Apr 2024, John wrote
(in article<bnqh2j9pslakqujcrg3nod452bv8fj0i9c@4ax.com>):

That depends upon what you do with it. My 8/256 Mini, that I was
given as a gift, runs BOINC and GIMPS projects just fine along with
emails, webbies and other stuff. It runs unattended, 24/7 and is just
the perfect house-guest.

I'm curious about how this works. Do you have it attached to a screen? A
keyboard and mouse? Why do you access emails on a separate computer?

Not exactly similar, but I have a Mini that runs nominally headless as a >fileserver. If needed, I can plug in the keyboard/mouse from an RPi that I >have for software testing. I use screen-sharing to have that Mini's screen >displaying in a space on my Mini.

That all seems very sensible and doable but in my case, no one
else's, I'm far too lazy to bother swapping plugs and connectors
about, even if rarely.

I've never used screen-sharing between Macs. Maybe I'll have a go
someday. It could be fun. :)

J.

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On 25 Apr 2024 at 07:04:48 BST, "John" <Man@the.keyboard> wrote:

On 24 Apr 2024 21:18:04 GMT, TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:

On 24 Apr 2024 at 22:11:02 BST, "Martin S Taylor"
<correspondence@mRaErMtOiVnEsTtHaIySlor.com> wrote:

On 24 Apr 2024, John wrote
(in article<bnqh2j9pslakqujcrg3nod452bv8fj0i9c@4ax.com>):

That depends upon what you do with it. My 8/256 Mini, that I was
given as a gift, runs BOINC and GIMPS projects just fine along with
emails, webbies and other stuff. It runs unattended, 24/7 and is just
the perfect house-guest.

I'm curious about how this works. Do you have it attached to a screen? A >>> keyboard and mouse? Why do you access emails on a separate computer?

Not exactly similar, but I have a Mini that runs nominally headless as a
fileserver. If needed, I can plug in the keyboard/mouse from an RPi that I >> have for software testing. I use screen-sharing to have that Mini's screen >> displaying in a space on my Mini.

That all seems very sensible and doable but in my case, no one
else's, I'm far too lazy to bother swapping plugs and connectors
about, even if rarely.

In case something goes wrong with screen-sharing, I also have an HDMI sharer. So it's a one-button-press to reassign my second screen to the server. I
mostly use that, however, for when I've got the Pi hooked up to test my software offerings on it.

I've never used screen-sharing between Macs. Maybe I'll have a go
someday. It could be fun. :)

Dead easy. Screen Sharing is in the Applications/Utilities folder, along with DIsk Utility.

--
Tim

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John <Man@the.keyboard> wrote:

On 24 Apr 2024 21:18:04 GMT, TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:

On 24 Apr 2024 at 22:11:02 BST, "Martin S Taylor" ><correspondence@mRaErMtOiVnEsTtHaIySlor.com> wrote:

On 24 Apr 2024, John wrote
(in article<bnqh2j9pslakqujcrg3nod452bv8fj0i9c@4ax.com>):

That depends upon what you do with it. My 8/256 Mini, that I was
given as a gift, runs BOINC and GIMPS projects just fine along with
emails, webbies and other stuff. It runs unattended, 24/7 and is just
the perfect house-guest.

I'm curious about how this works. Do you have it attached to a screen? A >> keyboard and mouse? Why do you access emails on a separate computer?

Not exactly similar, but I have a Mini that runs nominally headless as a >fileserver. If needed, I can plug in the keyboard/mouse from an RPi that I >have for software testing. I use screen-sharing to have that Mini's screen >displaying in a space on my Mini.

That all seems very sensible and doable but in my case, no one
else's, I'm far too lazy to bother swapping plugs and connectors
about, even if rarely.

I've never used screen-sharing between Macs. Maybe I'll have a go
someday. It could be fun. :)

It is actually quite useful if you have a laptop
and want to access large HDs without attaching cables.
It is also a convenient way to run older Mac OSX versions,
for MacSoup for example.

All you need is a cheap old Mac Mini, and a screen emulator.
You can also use it without, but the Mini will default
to a ridiculously small video resolution.

Hint: if you want to have USB3 you must have a late 2012 or newer Mini,

Jan

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TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:

On 25 Apr 2024 at 07:04:48 BST, "John" <Man@the.keyboard> wrote:

On 24 Apr 2024 21:18:04 GMT, TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:

On 24 Apr 2024 at 22:11:02 BST, "Martin S Taylor"
<correspondence@mRaErMtOiVnEsTtHaIySlor.com> wrote:

On 24 Apr 2024, John wrote
(in article<bnqh2j9pslakqujcrg3nod452bv8fj0i9c@4ax.com>):

That depends upon what you do with it. My 8/256 Mini, that I was
given as a gift, runs BOINC and GIMPS projects just fine along with
emails, webbies and other stuff. It runs unattended, 24/7 and is just >>>> the perfect house-guest.

I'm curious about how this works. Do you have it attached to a screen? A >>> keyboard and mouse? Why do you access emails on a separate computer?

Not exactly similar, but I have a Mini that runs nominally headless as a >> fileserver. If needed, I can plug in the keyboard/mouse from an RPi that I >> have for software testing. I use screen-sharing to have that Mini's screen >> displaying in a space on my Mini.

That all seems very sensible and doable but in my case, no one
else's, I'm far too lazy to bother swapping plugs and connectors
about, even if rarely.

In case something goes wrong with screen-sharing, I also have an HDMI sharer. So it's a one-button-press to reassign my second screen to the server. I mostly use that, however, for when I've got the Pi hooked up to test my software offerings on it.

I've never used screen-sharing between Macs. Maybe I'll have a go
someday. It could be fun. :)

Dead easy. Screen Sharing is in the Applications/Utilities folder, along with DIsk Utility.

Not even any need for that. If you set the finder prefs to show other
servers in the sidebar you can start screen sharing from there.

Hint for novices: You can share screen with the other machine,
and you can mount its HD (and others attached to it) on your desktop.

These are quite different things,
and you have to keep in mind what you are doing,
especially so if you are doing both at the same time.

Jan

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On 24/04/2024 10:46, Theo wrote:

David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:

7th of May!

Any thoughts?

Apparently the MacOS calculator app is going to be "transformed" by the
use of round buttons for the keys instead of the square ones.

I can't wait. Perhaps they've transformed arithmetic as well?

:-)

New iPads, but there's nothing wrong with old iPads because they're all held back by the limitations of iPadOS. Give me MacOS on an iPad, or the ability to run VMs, and we'll talk.

It's called an iMac. :-)

New Mac Minis (maybe), but 8GB/256GB as the starting spec is too low these days, and the markups to go higher (which don't tend to be discounted by retailers as they're special order from Apple) are egregious.

Those will never happen, </humbug>

Theo

--
Bruce Horrocks
Surrey, England

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On 29 Apr 2024 at 13:21:49 BST, "Ian McCall" <ian@eruvia.org> wrote:

On 24 Apr 2024, David Kennedy wrote
(in article<QHOdnXuUGqRXUrX7nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>):

7th of May!

Any thoughts?

The only things I actually want from them are a USB C keyboard and trackpad. That’s it. I’m still using the keyboard from my 2011 iMac, -and- the rechargeable AAs that came with it, and the characters are now mostly rubbed off. Would be nice to finally go all USB C.

Thanks,
Ian

Reputedly Apple stores will replace keycaps disregarding warranty
status.

Cheers - Jaimie
--
"It's made of people?"
"There's already a drink like that - Soylent Cola."
"How does it taste?"
"It varies from person to person." -- Fry and Leela

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On 24 Apr 2024, David Kennedy wrote
(in article<QHOdnXuUGqRXUrX7nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>):

7th of May!

Any thoughts?

The only things I actually want from them are a USB C keyboard and trackpad. That’s it. I’m still using the keyboard from my 2011 iMac, -and- the rechargeable AAs that came with it, and the characters are now mostly rubbed off. Would be nice to finally go all USB C.

Thanks,
Ian

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Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:

On 29 Apr 2024 at 13:21:49 BST, "Ian McCall" <ian@eruvia.org> wrote:

On 24 Apr 2024, David Kennedy wrote
(in article<QHOdnXuUGqRXUrX7nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>):

7th of May!

Any thoughts?

The only things I actually want from them are a USB C keyboard and trackpad.
That’s it. I’m still using the keyboard from my 2011 iMac, -and- the rechargeable AAs that came with it, and the characters are now mostly rubbed
off. Would be nice to finally go all USB C.

Reputedly Apple stores will replace keycaps disregarding warranty
status.

Are they likely to keep keycaps for a 13 year old keyboard in stock?

You could make the Magic Keyboard charge via USB-C with a USB-C to Lightning adapter in the back of the keyboard. Less good for the Magic Mouse where
the charging port is underneath (what were they thinking?)

Theo

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On 2024-04-24, David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:

7th of May!

Any thoughts?

There's much talk of a new M4 chip powered iPadPro being announced:

<https://www.macrumors.com/2024/04/28/ipad-pro-m4-chip-and-apple-pencil-haptic-rumors/>

Personally I'd be more interested in a M4 powered MBA or MBP announcement.

Apple's drive along UK motorways continues ;-)

--
Cheers, Alan

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On 30 Apr 2024, Alan B wrote
(in article<v0q9ms$2bp9q$1@alanrichardbarker.eternal-september.org>):

There's much talk of a new M4 chip powered iPadPro being announced:

<https://www.macrumors.com/2024/04/28/ipad-pro-m4-chip-and-apple-pencil-haptic
-rumors/>

Personally I'd be more interested in a M4 powered MBA or MBP announcement.

Apple's drive along UK motorways continues ;-)

Lord help us when they get to M25. The slowest chip ever.

MST

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On 29 Apr 2024 at 14:23:48 BST, "Theo"
<theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:

On 29 Apr 2024 at 13:21:49 BST, "Ian McCall" <ian@eruvia.org> wrote:

On 24 Apr 2024, David Kennedy wrote
(in article<QHOdnXuUGqRXUrX7nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>):

7th of May!

Any thoughts?

The only things I actually want from them are a USB C keyboard and trackpad.
That’s it. I’m still using the keyboard from my 2011 iMac, -and- the >>> rechargeable AAs that came with it, and the characters are now mostly rubbed
off. Would be nice to finally go all USB C.

Reputedly Apple stores will replace keycaps disregarding warranty
status.

Are they likely to keep keycaps for a 13 year old keyboard in stock?

Depends on when that model went out of production. No harm in asking.

Cheers - Jaimie

--
'I use a heap based stack storage system with a sorting
algorithm which has a major sort key being chronologically
determined, and heap hash key being a combination of
gravity influenced kinetic displacement with frictive and
annoyance dispersive elements.'
-- krin_o_o_'s book filing method

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On 30 Apr 2024 at 09:21:48 BST, "Alan B"
<alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

On 2024-04-24, David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:

7th of May!

Any thoughts?

There's much talk of a new M4 chip powered iPadPro being announced:

<https://www.macrumors.com/2024/04/28/ipad-pro-m4-chip-and-apple-pencil-haptic-rumors/>

Personally I'd be more interested in a M4 powered MBA or MBP announcement.

Current rumour is that the whole Mac product portfolio will go M4 over
the next 18 months, MBPs first.

No skipping iMacs and Minis this time around, apparently.

Cheers - Jaimie
--
"No flying cars yet?", he wrote from a 2 inch by 4 inch
pocket computer instantaneously to subscribers
worldwide using only his right thumb.
-- @wjflowers

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On 01.05.24 08:49, Chris wrote:

Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:

On 30 Apr 2024 at 09:21:48 BST, "Alan B"
<alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

On 2024-04-24, David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:

7th of May!

Any thoughts?

There's much talk of a new M4 chip powered iPadPro being announced:

<https://www.macrumors.com/2024/04/28/ipad-pro-m4-chip-and-apple-pencil-haptic-rumors/>

Personally I'd be more interested in a M4 powered MBA or MBP announcement. >>

Current rumour is that the whole Mac product portfolio will go M4 over
the next 18 months, MBPs first.

No skipping iMacs and Minis this time around, apparently.

I wonder if there'll be an Ultra chip?

Total overkill! At least for Usenet. ;-)


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On 01.05.24 11:23, J. J. Lodder wrote:

Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:

On 01.05.24 08:49, Chris wrote:

I wonder if there'll be an Ultra chip?

Total overkill! At least for Usenet. ;-)

But Snow Leopard on a Core2Duo was already overkill.

15 years ago.


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Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:

On 01.05.24 08:49, Chris wrote:

Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:

On 30 Apr 2024 at 09:21:48 BST, "Alan B"
<alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

On 2024-04-24, David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:

7th of May!

Any thoughts?

There's much talk of a new M4 chip powered iPadPro being announced:

<https://www.macrumors.com/2024/04/28/ipad-pro-m4-chip-and-apple-pencil-ha

ptic-rumors/>

Personally I'd be more interested in a M4 powered MBA or MBP announcement.

Current rumour is that the whole Mac product portfolio will go M4 over
the next 18 months, MBPs first.

No skipping iMacs and Minis this time around, apparently.

I wonder if there'll be an Ultra chip?

Total overkill! At least for Usenet. ;-)

But Snow Leopard on a Core2Duo was already overkill.

A Mac Plus on System 7.0 will do,
(for MacSoup)

Jan

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On 30 Apr 2024, Chris wrote
(in article <v0qkvm$2edsp$1@dont-email.me>):

David Kennedy<davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:

7th of May!

Any thoughts?

It'll be bringing all the ipads into the M-series fold and, given the
doodle style logos, a push towards creatives with new pencils maybe or
AR/VR capability.

I might be in the market for an ipad Air.

I'm in the market for a new iPad mini, but everyone seems to think I'll have
to wait until the autumn.

MST

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On 01.05.24 12:23, Martin S Taylor wrote:

On 30 Apr 2024, Chris wrote
(in article <v0qkvm$2edsp$1@dont-email.me>):

David Kennedy<davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:

7th of May!

Any thoughts?

It'll be bringing all the ipads into the M-series fold and, given the
doodle style logos, a push towards creatives with new pencils maybe or
AR/VR capability.

I might be in the market for an ipad Air.

I'm in the market for a new iPad mini, but everyone seems to think I'll have to wait until the autumn.

I'm in the market for an iPad mini for my wife. We are waiting since
fall last year. Currently she has an aged 4th Gen. that waits to be
replaced.

I'm still optimistic.


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On 1 May 2024, Jörg Lorenz wrote
(in article <v0t5vj$33st7$1@dont-email.me>):

I'm in the market for an iPad mini for my wife.

Not much of an exchange though, is it?

(Why yes, I do write my own material - how did you know?)

MST

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On 06.05.24 19:35, Martin S Taylor wrote:

On 1 May 2024, Jörg Lorenz wrote
(in article <v0t5vj$33st7$1@dont-email.me>):

I'm in the market for an iPad mini for my wife.

Not much of an exchange though, is it?

I only want devices in our network with current OS versions.
Particularly so for devices not administered by me (which is not the
case with my wife's 4). It was bought back in 2017.

JLo



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Martin S Taylor <correspondence@mraermtoivnestthaiyslor.com> wrote:

On 1 May 2024, Jörg Lorenz wrote
(in article <v0t5vj$33st7$1@dont-email.me>):

I'm in the market for an iPad mini for my wife.

Not much of an exchange though, is it?

Fair point, perhaps better to have a two for one deal?

(two of which I couldn't possibly comment)

(Why yes, I do write my own material - how did you know?)

And you'll be here all week? Very, very long week...

Theo

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David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:

7th of May!

Any thoughts?

- 13" iPad Air with M2
- 11" and 13" iPad Pro with M4 and OLED display (9 or 10 cores)
- Magic Keyboard for iPad Pro (M4)
- Apple Pencil Pro
- updates to Final Cut and Logic for iPad
- end of the 9th gen iPad with headphone jack

Theo

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On 7 May 2024 at 19:52:56 BST, "Theo"
<theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:

7th of May!

Any thoughts?

- 13" iPad Air with M2
- 11" and 13" iPad Pro with M4 and OLED display (9 or 10 cores)
- Magic Keyboard for iPad Pro (M4)
- Apple Pencil Pro

And finally some sanity to the 'what pencil goes with which iPad' thing.

- updates to Final Cut and Logic for iPad
- end of the 9th gen iPad with headphone jack

I note the Pro is skinnier than the Air, and indeed the Air is now the
heaviest iPad. But otherwise the lineup seems a lot more rational now.

Cheers - Jaimie

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On 7 May 2024, Theo wrote
(in article <8vD*I4PJz@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>):

David Kennedy<davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:

7th of May!

Any thoughts?

- 13" iPad Air with M2
- 11" and 13" iPad Pro with M4 and OLED display (9 or 10 cores)
- Magic Keyboard for iPad Pro (M4)
- Apple Pencil Pro
- updates to Final Cut and Logic for iPad
- end of the 9th gen iPad with headphone jack

No mini :(

MST

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Martin S Taylor <correspondence@mRaErMtOiVnEsTtHaIySlor.com> wrote:

On 7 May 2024, Theo wrote
(in article <8vD*I4PJz@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>):

David Kennedy<davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:

7th of May!

Any thoughts?

- 13" iPad Air with M2
- 11" and 13" iPad Pro with M4 and OLED display (9 or 10 cores)
- Magic Keyboard for iPad Pro (M4)
- Apple Pencil Pro
- updates to Final Cut and Logic for iPad
- end of the 9th gen iPad with headphone jack

No mini :(

No nothing wit M4 chips.
It is iPad pro only, for the time being,

Jan

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On 08/05/2024 16:51, Chris wrote:

On 07/05/2024 22:15, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:

On 7 May 2024 at 19:52:56 BST, "Theo"
<theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:

7th of May!

Any thoughts?

- 13" iPad Air with M2
- 11" and 13" iPad Pro with M4 and OLED display (9 or 10 cores)
- Magic Keyboard for iPad Pro (M4)
- Apple Pencil Pro

And finally some sanity to the 'what pencil goes with which iPad' thing.

- updates to Final Cut and Logic for iPad
- end of the 9th gen iPad with headphone jack

I note the Pro is skinnier than the Air, and indeed the Air is now the
heaviest iPad.

Kinda ironic.

Absolutely!

But otherwise the lineup seems a lot more rational now.

But ruinously expensive. A fully loaded iPad Pro 13" is over 3 grand.

It's one of the reason one needs to have a substantial 'Emergency Fund'
as part and parcel of one's financial planning!

--
David
Retired IFA ;-)

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On 09.05.24 07:19, Alan B wrote:

Well on this occasion there’s nothing that particularly interests me.

Same here.
The suggestions that I read in various Media the new iPads could be a
serious replacement for MacBooks is not conclusive in my humble opinion.

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David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:

On 07/05/2024 19:52, Theo wrote:

David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:

7th of May!

Any thoughts?

- 13" iPad Air with M2
- 11" and 13" iPad Pro with M4 and OLED display (9 or 10 cores)
- Magic Keyboard for iPad Pro (M4)
- Apple Pencil Pro
- updates to Final Cut and Logic for iPad
- end of the 9th gen iPad with headphone jack

Theo

Nothing startling but all steady improvements.

Well on this occasion there’s nothing that particularly interests me. I might have been interested in an updated iPad Mini but that was updated relatively recently. I’ve seen articles suggesting it might be updated
later this year or even Spring 2025. Apple have been quite slow in updating
it since its launch and I’ve seen suggestions that they have considered ceasing production.

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Cheers, Alan

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Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:

On 09.05.24 07:19, Alan B wrote:

Well on this occasion there’s nothing that particularly interests me.

Same here.
The suggestions that I read in various Media the new iPads could be a
serious replacement for MacBooks is not conclusive in my humble opinion.

They might make sense in some circumstances - eg if you do video editing
then Final Cut on iPad might be good enough, but if you do CAD or software development then the iPad probably isn't. Media people who make videos for Youtube, Tiktok and similar are in the first category and possibly over-represent the importance of video editing workflows compared with other use cases.

Case in point:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9cmoZFJTD4

Theo

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On 9 May 2024, Alan B wrote
(in article<v1hmd9$fom3$1@alanrichardbarker.eternal-september.org>):

I
might have been interested in an updated iPad Mini but that was updated relatively recently.

No it wasn't!

September 24, 2021 was the last update - that's an eternity ago in computing terms.

MST

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On Fri, 10 May 2024 09:08:09 +0100, Martin S Taylor wrote:

On 9 May 2024, Alan B wrote (in article<v1hmd9$fom3$1@alanrichardbarker.eternal-september.org>):

I
might have been interested in an updated iPad Mini but that was updated
relatively recently.

No it wasn't!

September 24, 2021 was the last update - that's an eternity ago in
computing terms.

So it was! Where have the last nearly 3 years flown? It's certain well
overdue or an upgrade then. Let's hope Apple haven't decided to drop it
from their product list :(

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPad_Mini_(6th_generation)>

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