• Re: Time Machine - help!

    From Graham J@21:1/5 to jeremy on Wed Apr 24 12:51:30 2024
    jeremy wrote:
    Hi folks, I have a synology DSxx which I can access from my MacBook - no problem.

    [snip]

    I suspect you have to use some feature of the Synology management
    interface to create an Apple backup volume on the Synology. When you've
    done that it will become visible to the Mac as a backup disk.


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  • From TimS@21:1/5 to jeremy on Wed Apr 24 12:13:27 2024
    On 24 Apr 2024 at 13:03:19 BST, "jeremy" <jeremy0505@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 24 Apr 2024 at 12:51:30 BST, "Graham J" <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:

    jeremy wrote:
    Hi folks, I have a synology DSxx which I can access from my MacBook - no >>> problem.

    [snip]

    I suspect you have to use some feature of the Synology management
    interface to create an Apple backup volume on the Synology. When you've
    done that it will become visible to the Mac as a backup disk.

    Whilst that may be the case, I seem to be missing the "add backup disk" button
    from my Time Machine settings with System Preferences.

    If it's Monterey upu're on, you should see "Add or Remove Backup Disk ..." in Time Machine.

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    Tim

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  • From TimS@21:1/5 to jeremy on Wed Apr 24 12:20:32 2024
    On 24 Apr 2024 at 13:03:19 BST, "jeremy" <jeremy0505@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 24 Apr 2024 at 12:51:30 BST, "Graham J" <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:

    jeremy wrote:
    Hi folks, I have a synology DSxx which I can access from my MacBook - no >>> problem.

    [snip]

    I suspect you have to use some feature of the Synology management
    interface to create an Apple backup volume on the Synology. When you've
    done that it will become visible to the Mac as a backup disk.

    Whilst that may be the case, I seem to be missing the "add backup disk" button
    from my Time Machine settings with System Preferences.

    It may well be that this will not become visible until you have a volume mounted tha TM can use. I have a couple of Crucial X8 1TB on my Mini and TM uses them both for backup.

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    Tim

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  • From TimS@21:1/5 to jeremy on Wed Apr 24 17:04:23 2024
    On 24 Apr 2024 at 17:35:46 BST, "jeremy" <jeremy0505@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 24 Apr 2024 at 13:20:32 BST, "TimS" <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:

    On 24 Apr 2024 at 13:03:19 BST, "jeremy" <jeremy0505@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 24 Apr 2024 at 12:51:30 BST, "Graham J" <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote: >>>
    jeremy wrote:
    Hi folks, I have a synology DSxx which I can access from my MacBook - no >>>>> problem.

    [snip]

    I suspect you have to use some feature of the Synology management
    interface to create an Apple backup volume on the Synology. When you've >>>> done that it will become visible to the Mac as a backup disk.

    Whilst that may be the case, I seem to be missing the "add backup disk" button
    from my Time Machine settings with System Preferences.

    It may well be that this will not become visible until you have a volume
    mounted tha TM can use. I have a couple of Crucial X8 1TB on my Mini and TM >> uses them both for backup.

    OK being thick here - how would I mount the volume? I was thinking I'd be able
    to "browse" for it within TM (obviously not!).

    Well - that was odd - went into Finder, cmd+k and browsed for the folder - once I had entered the required credentials (I created a new "timemachine" user on the DS) it suddenly appeared in the main TM window. Not a logical nor good UX :)

    But progress has been made!

    Mind you, I have no idea how to specify what is going to be backed up - it appears to have kicked off some kind of backup process - "preparing backup" - so we'll just have to see what it ends up doing.

    Click on Options to tell it what *not* to back up.


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    Tim

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 24 19:17:01 2024
    Am 24.04.24 um 19:12 schrieb jeremy:
    On 24 Apr 2024 at 18:04:23 BST, "TimS" <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:

    On 24 Apr 2024 at 17:35:46 BST, "jeremy" <jeremy0505@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 24 Apr 2024 at 13:20:32 BST, "TimS" <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:

    On 24 Apr 2024 at 13:03:19 BST, "jeremy" <jeremy0505@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>
    On 24 Apr 2024 at 12:51:30 BST, "Graham J" <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote: >>>>>
    jeremy wrote:
    Hi folks, I have a synology DSxx which I can access from my MacBook - no
    problem.

    [snip]

    I suspect you have to use some feature of the Synology management
    interface to create an Apple backup volume on the Synology. When you've >>>>>> done that it will become visible to the Mac as a backup disk.

    Whilst that may be the case, I seem to be missing the "add backup disk" button
    from my Time Machine settings with System Preferences.

    It may well be that this will not become visible until you have a volume >>>> mounted tha TM can use. I have a couple of Crucial X8 1TB on my Mini and TM
    uses them both for backup.

    OK being thick here - how would I mount the volume? I was thinking I'd be able
    to "browse" for it within TM (obviously not!).

    Well - that was odd - went into Finder, cmd+k and browsed for the folder - >>> once I had entered the required credentials (I created a new "timemachine" >>> user on the DS) it suddenly appeared in the main TM window. Not a logical nor
    good UX :)

    But progress has been made!

    Mind you, I have no idea how to specify what is going to be backed up - it >>> appears to have kicked off some kind of backup process - "preparing backup" -
    so we'll just have to see what it ends up doing.

    Click on Options to tell it what *not* to back up.

    Got it. Hmmm... it's going to try to backup 390gb

    Only the first time and afterwards it saves only the changes.


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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 26 13:56:40 2024
    Am 26.04.24 um 12:20 schrieb jeremy:
    On 24 Apr 2024 at 18:17:01 BST, "Jörg Lorenz" <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:

    Am 24.04.24 um 19:12 schrieb jeremy:
    Got it. Hmmm... it's going to try to backup 390gb

    Only the first time and afterwards it saves only the changes.

    Done - something over 24 hours to complete. Are there some logs I can view of what it did - and if it was successful?

    I found this command (https://discussions.apple.com/thread/250226175?answerId=250420314022&sortBy= best#250420314022)


    printf '\e[3J' && log show --predicate 'subsystem == "com.apple.TimeMachine"' --info --last 6h | grep -F 'eMac' | grep -Fv 'etat' | awk -F']' '{print substr($0,1,19), $NF}'

    Looks a bit complex for Joe Average who'd just like to see a record of success
    & failure :)

    No news are good news.

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  • From Jaimie Vandenbergh@21:1/5 to jeremy on Fri Apr 26 12:57:23 2024
    On 26 Apr 2024 at 11:20:22 BST, "jeremy" <jeremy0505@gmail.com> wrote:

    Done - something over 24 hours to complete. Are there some logs I can view of what it did - and if it was successful?

    Look on the Settings/General/Time Machine for the "last backup" date. If
    there is one, you're good.

    Apple don't provide more detail. You can buy https://www.soma-zone.com/BackupLoupe/ if you want, but it's very
    boring.

    Cheers - Jaimie
    --
    Every time we start thinking we're the center of the universe,
    the universe turns around and says with a slightly distracted
    air, 'I'm sorry. What'd you say your name was again?'
    -- Margaret Maron

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  • From TimS@21:1/5 to jeremy on Fri Apr 26 18:22:13 2024
    On 26 Apr 2024 at 17:37:03 BST, "jeremy" <jeremy0505@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 26 Apr 2024 at 13:57:23 BST, "Jaimie Vandenbergh" <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:

    On 26 Apr 2024 at 11:20:22 BST, "jeremy" <jeremy0505@gmail.com> wrote:

    Done - something over 24 hours to complete. Are there some logs I can view of
    what it did - and if it was successful?

    Look on the Settings/General/Time Machine for the "last backup" date. If
    there is one, you're good.

    Apple don't provide more detail. You can buy
    https://www.soma-zone.com/BackupLoupe/ if you want, but it's very
    boring.

    OK it says it's backed up lastes at 17:25 today actually with the next one schedule for shortly for 18:02 - interesting timings selected (I don't recall specifying or having visibility of any frequency).

    Look under Options, if you're in Sonoma. You get some choices (not many).

    Who cares. I leave it set to once an hour. If nothing much has changed, backup is done quickly.

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    Tim

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 26 21:37:47 2024
    Am 26.04.24 um 18:37 schrieb jeremy:
    On 26 Apr 2024 at 13:57:23 BST, "Jaimie Vandenbergh" <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:

    On 26 Apr 2024 at 11:20:22 BST, "jeremy" <jeremy0505@gmail.com> wrote:

    Done - something over 24 hours to complete. Are there some logs I can view of
    what it did - and if it was successful?

    Look on the Settings/General/Time Machine for the "last backup" date. If
    there is one, you're good.

    Apple don't provide more detail. You can buy
    https://www.soma-zone.com/BackupLoupe/ if you want, but it's very
    boring.


    OK it says it's backed up lastes at 17:25 today actually with the next one schedule for shortly for 18:02 - interesting timings selected (I don't recall specifying or having visibility of any frequency).

    You have: Open Time Machine Settings. Then klick Options. There you can
    chose the frequency. Hourly, Daily et. etc.



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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to jeremy on Sun Apr 28 17:18:47 2024
    On 28.04.24 17:08, jeremy wrote:
    On 26 Apr 2024 at 20:37:47 BST, "Jörg Lorenz" <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:


    You have: Open Time Machine Settings. Then klick Options. There you can
    chose the frequency. Hourly, Daily et. etc.

    Hmm... seems not for me though (Monterey - 12.7)

    It seems to want to backup a lot of stuff incrementally (like hourly) when I have barely used it.

    I killed the last incremental (about 20 minutes ago) - I just selected "backup
    now" and it seems to have found 29,211 changes - seems excessive. I am watching its progress - it says 32.5% done (8.6mb copied) - so a trivial amount - "calculating time remaining.." (been stuck like that for a few minutes. Now it says 32.8% (15.5mb copied) - so I don't know if the %done is based on size or number of items (suspect the latter as the maths doesn't really compute).

    It seems that there is a 50% chance that at any time it is doing a backup! Don't think that can be right :)

    The behaviour is normal. There also the changes at the OS-level which
    you will never see but have to be backed up! This is not excessive.

    BTW: macOS 12.5 was published 2021 and is not the current OS which
    stands at 14.4.1. IIRC this option was not available in macOS 12 yet.

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  • From Bruce Horrocks@21:1/5 to jeremy on Mon Apr 29 01:49:19 2024
    On 28/04/2024 16:08, jeremy wrote:
    On 26 Apr 2024 at 20:37:47 BST, "Jörg Lorenz" <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:


    You have: Open Time Machine Settings. Then klick Options. There you can
    chose the frequency. Hourly, Daily et. etc.

    Hmm... seems not for me though (Monterey - 12.7)

    It seems to want to backup a lot of stuff incrementally (like hourly) when I have barely used it.

    I killed the last incremental (about 20 minutes ago) - I just selected "backup
    now" and it seems to have found 29,211 changes - seems excessive. I am watching its progress - it says 32.5% done (8.6mb copied) - so a trivial amount - "calculating time remaining.." (been stuck like that for a few minutes. Now it says 32.8% (15.5mb copied) - so I don't know if the %done is based on size or number of items (suspect the latter as the maths doesn't really compute).

    It seems that there is a 50% chance that at any time it is doing a backup! Don't think that can be right :)

    The symptoms you describe are exactly those when it has been interrupted
    or otherwise failed to complete a previous backup.

    Letting it run to completion is the solution.

    Eventually it will settle down.

    --
    Bruce Horrocks
    Surrey, England

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  • From Jaimie Vandenbergh@21:1/5 to jeremy on Mon Apr 29 12:22:26 2024
    On 29 Apr 2024 at 11:42:46 BST, "jeremy" <jeremy0505@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 29 Apr 2024 at 01:49:19 BST, "Bruce Horrocks" <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:

    On 28/04/2024 16:08, jeremy wrote:
    On 26 Apr 2024 at 20:37:47 BST, "Jörg Lorenz" <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote: >>>

    You have: Open Time Machine Settings. Then klick Options. There you can >>>> chose the frequency. Hourly, Daily et. etc.

    Hmm... seems not for me though (Monterey - 12.7)

    It seems to want to backup a lot of stuff incrementally (like hourly) when I
    have barely used it.

    I killed the last incremental (about 20 minutes ago) - I just selected "backup
    now" and it seems to have found 29,211 changes - seems excessive. I am
    watching its progress - it says 32.5% done (8.6mb copied) - so a trivial >>> amount - "calculating time remaining.." (been stuck like that for a few
    minutes. Now it says 32.8% (15.5mb copied) - so I don't know if the %done is
    based on size or number of items (suspect the latter as the maths doesn't >>> really compute).

    It seems that there is a 50% chance that at any time it is doing a backup! >>> Don't think that can be right :)

    The symptoms you describe are exactly those when it has been interrupted
    or otherwise failed to complete a previous backup.

    Letting it run to completion is the solution.

    Eventually it will settle down.

    Patience is a virtue.

    Not worrying about it is also, just let it do what it does. If it
    doesn't make a backup for... ten days I think? then it'll send you a notification.

    Cheers - Jaimie
    --
    "Please stop telling us what you feel. Please stop telling us
    what your intuition is. Your intuitive feelings are of no
    interest whatsoever, and nor are mine. I don't give a bugger
    what you feel, or what I feel. I want to know what the evidence shows." -- Richard Dawkins

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