• Re: =?UTF-8?Q?=5BMacCaf=C3=A9=5D?= Freeware newsreader for macOS, now a

    From Alan B@21:1/5 to snipeco.2@gmail.com on Thu Jun 13 13:08:10 2024
    On 2024-06-13, Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:
    Found in news.software.readers, MacSOUP users may find this interesting:

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    DV <dv@reply-to.not.invalid> wrote:

    Hello,

    MacCafé is a newsreader for macOS, initially designed for
    French-speaking MacSOUP users who needed a 64-bit newsreader that can
    run on recent versions of the system. The latest version of MacCafé
    (v.3.02) has an interface and documentation translated into English.

    MacCafé has some features inspired by MacSoup, such as the graphical
    representation of the thread in the message windows, but it also offers
    additional features: powerful search tools (in the database or on news
    servers), filtering rules applicable when retrieving messages,
    Cancel-Lock management, image viewer, multilingual spell checking, etc.
    It is a multi-profile, multi-server and multi-base newsreader.

    If you are a MacSOUP user, you can import messages stored in your
    MacSOUP database into MacCafé.

    MacCafé is actively developed by Gilbert OLIVIER using 4D language. It
    can be downloaded for free from:

    <https://maccafe.fr/en>

    If you want to know more about MacCafé before trying it, you can consult
    its online documentation:

    <http://yakakwatik.org/mc/documentation/en/tarrazu/>

    The English translation is probably far from perfect. So any
    English-speaking user who finds mistakes is kindly invited to report
    them in this thread.

    [Crosspost on comp.sys.mac.misc and news.software.readers, followup to
    news.software.readers.]
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    N.B. this warning:-

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    Important
    If you are installing MacCafé for the first time on your computer, we strongly recommend that you first read the Installation and Getting
    Started section of the documentation:

    <http://yakakwatik.org/mc/documentation/harrar/#idocs_installation>
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    I'll be trying this when the round tuit arrives.

    I tried it out a couple or more years ago. It was OK-ish but was not a patch
    on other clients I use. However, as you say, when the round tuit arrives ;-)

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    Cheers, Alan

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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to Alan B on Thu Jun 13 14:03:44 2024
    On 2024-06-13, Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
    On 2024-06-13, Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:
    Found in news.software.readers, MacSOUP users may find this interesting:

    [snip]

    I'll be trying this when the round tuit arrives.

    I tried it out a couple or more years ago. It was OK-ish but was not a patch on other clients I use. However, as you say, when the round tuit arrives ;-)

    I seem to recall it used the 4D Database to hold its data and you could
    only filter on poster id. The latter was enough to put me off! Maybe
    things have improved?

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    Cheers, Alan

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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to Alan B on Sat Jun 15 13:09:04 2024
    On 2024-06-13, Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
    Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:
    Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

    On 2024-06-13, Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
    On 2024-06-13, Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:
    Found in news.software.readers, MacSOUP users may find this interesting: >>>
    [snip]

    I'll be trying this when the round tuit arrives.

    I tried it out a couple or more years ago. It was OK-ish but was not a patch
    on other clients I use. However, as you say, when the round tuit arrives ;-)

    I seem to recall it used the 4D Database to hold its data and you could
    only filter on poster id. The latter was enough to put me off! Maybe
    things have improved?


    At first sight this version seems a lot more powerful - take a look at:
    <http://yakakwatik.org/mc/documentation/en/tarrazu/#idocs_installation>

    Yes it does but I’ll give it a better test out tomorrow and hopefully import from MacSOUP. I’ve just installed it on Sequoia beta to my M1 MBP and it runs OK so far :)

    Imports subscribed news groups and messages but not KFs and profiles as
    far as I can tell.

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    Cheers, Alan

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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to Alan B on Sun Jun 16 08:21:10 2024
    On 2024-06-13, Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
    On 2024-06-13, Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
    On 2024-06-13, Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:
    Found in news.software.readers, MacSOUP users may find this interesting:

    [snip]

    I'll be trying this when the round tuit arrives.

    I tried it out a couple or more years ago. It was OK-ish but was not a patch >> on other clients I use. However, as you say, when the round tuit arrives ;-)

    I seem to recall it used the 4D Database to hold its data and you could
    only filter on poster id. The latter was enough to put me off! Maybe
    things have improved?

    Filtering is much improved despite having to set it up manually as I
    could not import MacSOUP's KFs. There are 2 different versions of MacCafé available one for Sierra to Mojave MacOSs and then Catalina onwards. So
    it runs fine on my Mojave VM, my Monterey Intel Mac and on my M1 Mac
    running Sonoma and Sequoia beta (Rosetta 2 reqd.). One annoyance is seeing
    an ad for 4D when you exit the app!

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    Cheers, Alan

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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to Alan B on Tue Jun 18 12:52:33 2024
    On 2024-06-18, Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

    [snip]

    First of all I doubt whether it will ever become my client of choice. I
    agree its development is taking rather a long time. Their use of the 4D database may be playing a large part in the delay? Having said that
    what's the harm in trying it out and providing a bit of feedback to the developers. Filters need to have a case insensitive option and the
    ability to use regex would be handy.

    Here's a somewhat redacted view of my 4D folder. The Logs folder is
    empty. The total size is around 32MB and when compressed it shrinks to
    around 3MB. But having a 1TB drive on my MBP, 32MB is rather
    insignificant in size.

    64 13 Jun 15:54 Logs
    9634304 18 Jun 13:28 MacCafé.4DD
    22413824 18 Jun 13:28 MacCafé.4DIndx
    1635 18 Jun 13:27 MacCafé.Match
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    Cheers, Alan

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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to J. J. Lodder on Wed Jun 19 12:20:15 2024
    On 2024-06-19, J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
    Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

    On Wednesday 19 June 2024 at 09:15, J. J. Lodder wrote:


    Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:

    J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:

    Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:

    J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:

    [Sn!pe re: MacCafé]

    I'll be trying this when the round tuit arrives.


    Tried it years ago, and couldn't get it to work.
    I trashed it, and decided to wait for all the bugs to get ironed out.
    I did notice however that the database files it creates are much
    larger.

    And then I thought: why bother with it at all,
    when I have the real MacSoup working?
    (on my own MacSoup server)

    Jan


    Congratulations on your personal solution. Others may have
    different needs, or perhaps we just want a new toy to play with.


    You may remember that we exchanged some thoughts on it,
    after I introduced the then new MacCafe to ukcsm users.
    (yes, that was 53 month ago)


    I don't remember, but whatever. At that time I thought it a work
    in progress and decided to stop playing with it until it had more
    development.


    Have you had fun playing with it in the meantime?


    The elusive round tuit has not yet arrived

    At the time, someone in ukcsm (don't remember who)
    already said that the dependence on the 4D database
    is a fundamental (and probably fatal) flaw,

    I think it was 'nospam' who hasn't posted here or elsewhere for many
    months.

    Indeed, last seen here nine month ago.

    Perhaps he was 'sanctioned' by the persistent troll?

    Following your hint I found nospam commenting:
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    MacCafé is made with the 4D language https://fr.4d.com

    that's a disaster waiting to happen
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    A clear-headed and far-sighted remark,
    that turned out to be entirely justified.

    I'm not writing it off just yet!

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    Cheers, Alan

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