Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:

Found in news.software.readers, MacSOUP users may find this interesting:

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DV <dv@reply-to.not.invalid> wrote:

Hello,

MacCafé is a newsreader for macOS, initially designed for
French-speaking MacSOUP users who needed a 64-bit newsreader that can
run on recent versions of the system. The latest version of MacCafé (v.3.02) has an interface and documentation translated into English.

MacCafé has some features inspired by MacSoup, such as the graphical representation of the thread in the message windows, but it also offers additional features: powerful search tools (in the database or on news servers), filtering rules applicable when retrieving messages,
Cancel-Lock management, image viewer, multilingual spell checking, etc.
It is a multi-profile, multi-server and multi-base newsreader.

If you are a MacSOUP user, you can import messages stored in your
MacSOUP database into MacCafé.

MacCafé is actively developed by Gilbert OLIVIER using 4D language. It
can be downloaded for free from:

<https://maccafe.fr/en>

If you want to know more about MacCafé before trying it, you can consult its online documentation:

<http://yakakwatik.org/mc/documentation/en/tarrazu/>

The English translation is probably far from perfect. So any English-speaking user who finds mistakes is kindly invited to report
them in this thread.

[Crosspost on comp.sys.mac.misc and news.software.readers, followup to news.software.readers.]

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N.B. this warning:-

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Important
If you are installing MacCafé for the first time on your computer, we strongly recommend that you first read the Installation and Getting
Started section of the documentation:

<http://yakakwatik.org/mc/documentation/harrar/#idocs_installation>
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I'll be trying this when the round tuit arrives.

Tried it years ago, and couldn't get it to work.
I trashed it, and decided to wait for all the bugs to get ironed out.
I did notice however that the database files it creates are much larger.

And then I thought: why bother with it at all,
when I have the real MacSoup working?
(on my own MacSoup server)

Jan

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Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:

J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:

[Sn!pe re: MacCafé]

I'll be trying this when the round tuit arrives.

Tried it years ago, and couldn't get it to work.
I trashed it, and decided to wait for all the bugs to get ironed out.
I did notice however that the database files it creates are much larger.

And then I thought: why bother with it at all,
when I have the real MacSoup working?
(on my own MacSoup server)

Jan

Congratulations on your personal solution. Others may have
different needs, or perhaps we just want a new toy to play with.

You may remember that we exchanged some thoughts on it,
after I introduced the then new MacCafe to ukcsm users.
(yes, that was 53 month ago)

Have you had fun playing with it,
in the meantime?

Jan

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Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

On 2024-06-13, Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:

Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

On 2024-06-13, Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

On 2024-06-13, Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:

Found in news.software.readers, MacSOUP users may find this interesting:

[snip]

I'll be trying this when the round tuit arrives.

I tried it out a couple or more years ago. It was OK-ish but was not >>>> a patch on other clients I use. However, as you say, when the round
tuit arrives ;-)

I seem to recall it used the 4D Database to hold its data and you
could only filter on poster id. The latter was enough to put me off!
Maybe things have improved?

At first sight this version seems a lot more powerful - take a look at:
<http://yakakwatik.org/mc/documentation/en/tarrazu/#idocs_installation>

Yes it does but I'll give it a better test out tomorrow and hopefully import from MacSOUP. I've just installed it on Sequoia beta to my M1 MBP and it runs OK so far :)

Imports subscribed news groups and messages but not KFs and profiles as
far as I can tell.

Cold you have a look at by how much the news database has grown,
compared to MacSoup?

Jan

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Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:

J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:

[Sn!pe re: MacCafé]

I'll be trying this when the round tuit arrives.

Tried it years ago, and couldn't get it to work.
I trashed it, and decided to wait for all the bugs to get ironed out.
I did notice however that the database files it creates are much larger. >>
And then I thought: why bother with it at all,
when I have the real MacSoup working?
(on my own MacSoup server)

Jan

Congratulations on your personal solution. Others may have
different needs, or perhaps we just want a new toy to play with.

I welcome the fact that people are still prepared to develop Usenet
clients :) MacCafé is coming along quite nicely but needs, for example, a
bit more work on filtering.

My my, a bit more work on filtering, really?
They have been mucking around with it for over four years,
and it is already in its third major incarnation.
The French forum for it has been filled almost completely
with all the problems with it.
(at a volume that is larger than ukcsm)

Yet there are stil bugs in it,
and it doesn't quite what users want it to do.

Or well, maybe when they are up to version 5,

Jan
(not holding my breath)

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Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:

J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:

Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:

J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:

[Sn!pe re: MacCafé]

I'll be trying this when the round tuit arrives.

Tried it years ago, and couldn't get it to work.
I trashed it, and decided to wait for all the bugs to get ironed out.
I did notice however that the database files it creates are much larger.

And then I thought: why bother with it at all,
when I have the real MacSoup working?
(on my own MacSoup server)

Jan

Congratulations on your personal solution. Others may have
different needs, or perhaps we just want a new toy to play with.

You may remember that we exchanged some thoughts on it,
after I introduced the then new MacCafe to ukcsm users.
(yes, that was 53 month ago)

I don't remember, but whatever. At that time I thought it a work
in progress and decided to stop playing with it until it had more development.

Have you had fun playing with it in the meantime?

The elusive round tuit has not yet arrived

At the time, someone in ukcsm (don't remember who)
already said that the dependence on the 4D database
is a fundamental (and probably fatal) flaw,

Jan

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Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

On 2024-06-18, Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

[snip]

First of all I doubt whether it will ever become my client of choice. I agree its development is taking rather a long time. Their use of the 4D database may be playing a large part in the delay? Having said that
what's the harm in trying it out and providing a bit of feedback to the developers. Filters need to have a case insensitive option and the
ability to use regex would be handy.

Here's a somewhat redacted view of my 4D folder. The Logs folder is
empty. The total size is around 32MB and when compressed it shrinks to
around 3MB. But having a 1TB drive on my MBP, 32MB is rather
insignificant in size.

64 13 Jun 15:54 Logs
9634304 18 Jun 13:28 MacCafe?.4DD
22413824 18 Jun 13:28 MacCafe?.4DIndx
1635 18 Jun 13:27 MacCafe?.Match

Next to nothing indeed. OTOH, I have GBs of MacSoup database.
I haven't tried to see how that expands in MacCafe.

BTW, MacSoup is really ancient.
It has a hard limit of 2 GB on mailbox size.
I asked Stefan at the time, and there is no way around it,

Jan

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Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

On Wednesday 19 June 2024 at 09:15, J. J. Lodder wrote:

Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:

J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:

Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:

J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:

[Sn!pe re: MacCafé]

I'll be trying this when the round tuit arrives.

Tried it years ago, and couldn't get it to work.
I trashed it, and decided to wait for all the bugs to get ironed out.
I did notice however that the database files it creates are much
larger.

And then I thought: why bother with it at all,
when I have the real MacSoup working?
(on my own MacSoup server)

Jan

Congratulations on your personal solution. Others may have
different needs, or perhaps we just want a new toy to play with.

You may remember that we exchanged some thoughts on it,
after I introduced the then new MacCafe to ukcsm users.
(yes, that was 53 month ago)

I don't remember, but whatever. At that time I thought it a work
in progress and decided to stop playing with it until it had more
development.

Have you had fun playing with it in the meantime?

The elusive round tuit has not yet arrived

At the time, someone in ukcsm (don't remember who)
already said that the dependence on the 4D database
is a fundamental (and probably fatal) flaw,

I think it was 'nospam' who hasn't posted here or elsewhere for many
months.

Indeed, last seen here nine month ago.

Following your hint I found nospam commenting:
======

MacCafé is made with the 4D language https://fr.4d.com

that's a disaster waiting to happen
======

A clear-headed and far-sighted remark,
that turned out to be entirely justified.

BTW, your memory is much better than mine,

Jan

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Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

On 2024-06-19, J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:

Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

On Wednesday 19 June 2024 at 09:15, J. J. Lodder wrote:

Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:

J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:

Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:

J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:

[Sn!pe re: MacCafé]

I'll be trying this when the round tuit arrives.

Tried it years ago, and couldn't get it to work.
I trashed it, and decided to wait for all the bugs to get
ironed out. I did notice however that the database files it
creates are much larger.

And then I thought: why bother with it at all,
when I have the real MacSoup working?
(on my own MacSoup server)

Jan

Congratulations on your personal solution. Others may have
different needs, or perhaps we just want a new toy to play with.

You may remember that we exchanged some thoughts on it,
after I introduced the then new MacCafe to ukcsm users.
(yes, that was 53 month ago)

I don't remember, but whatever. At that time I thought it a work
in progress and decided to stop playing with it until it had more
development.

Have you had fun playing with it in the meantime?

The elusive round tuit has not yet arrived

At the time, someone in ukcsm (don't remember who)
already said that the dependence on the 4D database
is a fundamental (and probably fatal) flaw,

I think it was 'nospam' who hasn't posted here or elsewhere for many
months.

Indeed, last seen here nine month ago.

Perhaps he was 'sanctioned' by the persistent troll?

I'm afraid all is not well.
'nospam' was a regular poster here until 17 month ago.
Then he had a 6 month hiatus,
and reappeared briefly for a few postings, then nothing.

Following your hint I found nospam commenting:
======

MacCafé is made with the 4D language https://fr.4d.com

that's a disaster waiting to happen
======

A clear-headed and far-sighted remark,
that turned out to be entirely justified.

I'm not writing it off just yet!

Well, no, why write it off?
But what is the point of it all?

There was a panic for a while when Stefan announced
that he would give up on MacSoup.
(and that he wouldn't make the source code available)
There were several attempts to recreate it, without great succes.
(also one in ukcsm, iirc)
Only MacCafe survives, afaik.

But why use a cumbersome, clumsy, bulky, buggy,
and less capable imitation when you can easily run the real thing,
either in emulation or on a dedicated machine?
(which can do some other useful things too)

It also has the advantage that you can keep just one news archive
that be accessed from several machines,

Jan

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