In the olden days, when ukcsm was young, and Rowland was still around, motorcycles were always on topic. Any of the old guard still around?
Now for the question: One of the stunts mentioned was getting on it,
roaring off until reaching a speed of 100 mph, turning around,
and roaring back.
There was a name for the stunt, but my memory will no longer serve.
Anyone here knows?
In the olden days, when ukcsm was young, and Rowland was still around, motorcycles were always on topic. Any of the old guard still around?
In the olden days, when ukcsm was young, and Rowland was still around, motorcycles were always on topic. Any of the old guard still around?
Now for the question: One of the stunts mentioned was getting on it,
roaring off until reaching a speed of 100 mph, turning around,
and roaring back.
There was a name for the stunt, but my memory will no longer serve.
Anyone here knows?
On 19/10/2024 20:42, J. J. Lodder wrote:
In the olden days, when ukcsm was young, and Rowland was still around, motorcycles were always on topic. Any of the old guard still around?
Now for the question: One of the stunts mentioned was getting on it, roaring off until reaching a speed of 100 mph, turning around,
and roaring back.
There was a name for the stunt, but my memory will no longer serve.
Anyone here knows?
Hello Jan
That brings back memories! In those early days, discussions on ukcsm had
a wide range of topics, and it's fun to hear about motorcycles being
part of the mix.
The stunt you're describing sounds like what motorcyclists would call a "ton-up" or "ton-up run." The "ton" refers to 100 mph, so reaching that
speed and roaring back would fit that terminology. It was popular in the
caf racer culture of the 1950s and 60s. Does that ring a bell?
David Brooks <David@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 19/10/2024 20:42, J. J. Lodder wrote:
In the olden days, when ukcsm was young, and Rowland was still around,
motorcycles were always on topic. Any of the old guard still around?
Now for the question: One of the stunts mentioned was getting on it,
roaring off until reaching a speed of 100 mph, turning around,
and roaring back.
There was a name for the stunt, but my memory will no longer serve.
Anyone here knows?
Hello Jan
That brings back memories! In those early days, discussions on ukcsm had
a wide range of topics, and it's fun to hear about motorcycles being
part of the mix.
Rowland, and 'the older gentleman', and some others.
The stunt you're describing sounds like what motorcyclists would call a
"ton-up" or "ton-up run." The "ton" refers to 100 mph, so reaching that
speed and roaring back would fit that terminology. It was popular in the
café racer culture of the 1950s and 60s. Does that ring a bell?
Yes, but I don't see how the 100 connects to a ton,
which usually refers to thousands things,
On 19/10/2024 20:42, J. J. Lodder wrote:
In the olden days, when ukcsm was young, and Rowland was still around,
motorcycles were always on topic. Any of the old guard still around?
Now for the question: One of the stunts mentioned was getting on it,
roaring off until reaching a speed of 100 mph, turning around,
and roaring back.
There was a name for the stunt, but my memory will no longer serve.
Anyone here knows?
I recall it being mentioned that there was a thing in the sixties where bikers would set off from the car park of the Ace Cafe, hare off along
the A40 to the next roundabout and return. If it was done within a
certain time limit then the rider must have 'done the ton'.
uk.rec.motorcycles would be the place to ask. Some even may claim to
have done it.
In the olden days, when ukcsm was young, and Rowland was still around, motorcycles were always on topic. Any of the old guard still around?
Now for the question: One of the stunts mentioned was getting on it,
roaring off until reaching a speed of 100 mph, turning around,
and roaring back.
There was a name for the stunt, but my memory will no longer serve.
Anyone here knows?
On 20/10/2024 12:00, Roger Merriman wrote:
And yes I remember Rowland.
Everyone who made contact remembers him...
On 20/10/2024 14:24, David Kennedy wrote:
On 20/10/2024 12:00, Roger Merriman wrote:
And yes I remember Rowland.
Everyone who made contact remembers him...
IIRC, it was he who started this group, or at least started the process
of creating the group. It was Rowland and (possibly?) Rebecca (in his headers) for a few years, then she left him, and he got more and more argumentive and bitter to other posters, eventually disappearing from here.
On 20 Oct 2024 at 18:53:12 BST, "Alan Lee" <alan@darkroom.plus.com> wrote:
On 20/10/2024 14:24, David Kennedy wrote:
On 20/10/2024 12:00, Roger Merriman wrote:
And yes I remember Rowland.
Everyone who made contact remembers him...
IIRC, it was he who started this group, or at least started the process
of creating the group. It was Rowland and (possibly?) Rebecca (in his
headers) for a few years, then she left him, and he got more and more
argumentive and bitter to other posters, eventually disappearing from here.
It was quite sudden and he's never been back. (AFAIK)
Bruce <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:
On 19/10/2024 20:42, J. J. Lodder wrote:
In the olden days, when ukcsm was young, and Rowland was still around,
motorcycles were always on topic. Any of the old guard still around?
Now for the question: One of the stunts mentioned was getting on it,
roaring off until reaching a speed of 100 mph, turning around,
and roaring back.
There was a name for the stunt, but my memory will no longer serve.
Anyone here knows?
I recall it being mentioned that there was a thing in the sixties where bikers would set off from the car park of the Ace Cafe, hare off along
the A40 to the next roundabout and return. If it was done within a
certain time limit then the rider must have 'done the ton'.
uk.rec.motorcycles would be the place to ask. Some even may claim to
have done it.
I have wondered about visiting Ace Cafe you pass it and get fairly good
views from the canal bridge as you cross the north circular much wider I'm sure!
And yes I remember Rowland.
On 20/10/2024 14:24, David Kennedy wrote:
On 20/10/2024 12:00, Roger Merriman wrote:
And yes I remember Rowland.
Everyone who made contact remembers him...
IIRC, it was he who started this group, or at least started the process
of creating the group. It was Rowland and (possibly?) Rebecca (in his headers) for a few years, then she left him, and he got more and more argumentive and bitter to other posters, eventually disappearing from here.
On 19/10/2024 20:42, J. J. Lodder wrote:
In the olden days, when ukcsm was young, and Rowland was still around,
motorcycles were always on topic. Any of the old guard still around?
Yes, I just read occassionally, Mac OS is so good now that there are few times when a little pointer is required.
On 20/10/2024 18:53, Alan Lee wrote:
On 20/10/2024 14:24, David Kennedy wrote:
On 20/10/2024 12:00, Roger Merriman wrote:
And yes I remember Rowland.
Everyone who made contact remembers him...
IIRC, it was he who started this group, or at least started the process of creating the group. It was Rowland and (possibly?) Rebecca (in his headers) for a few years, then she left him, and he got more and more argumentive and
bitter to other posters, eventually disappearing from here.
He did indeed contribute to founding the group, a very knowledgeable chap. And, incidentally, if you wanted an argument, he was the one to go to...
Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Bruce <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:
On 19/10/2024 20:42, J. J. Lodder wrote:I have wondered about visiting Ace Cafe you pass it and get fairly good
In the olden days, when ukcsm was young, and Rowland was still around, >>>> motorcycles were always on topic. Any of the old guard still around?
Now for the question: One of the stunts mentioned was getting on it,
roaring off until reaching a speed of 100 mph, turning around,
and roaring back.
There was a name for the stunt, but my memory will no longer serve.
Anyone here knows?
I recall it being mentioned that there was a thing in the sixties where
bikers would set off from the car park of the Ace Cafe, hare off along
the A40 to the next roundabout and return. If it was done within a
certain time limit then the rider must have 'done the ton'.
uk.rec.motorcycles would be the place to ask. Some even may claim to
have done it.
views from the canal bridge as you cross the north circular much wider I'm >> sure!
And yes I remember Rowland.
I have exchanged a few mails with him, long ago,
but also long after he left here.
He said he was happy doing other things,
and over some of his problems,
On 21 Oct 2024 at 08:40:15 BST, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote:
Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Bruce <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:
On 19/10/2024 20:42, J. J. Lodder wrote:I have wondered about visiting Ace Cafe you pass it and get fairly good
In the olden days, when ukcsm was young, and Rowland was still around, >>>>> motorcycles were always on topic. Any of the old guard still around? >>>>>
Now for the question: One of the stunts mentioned was getting on it, >>>>> roaring off until reaching a speed of 100 mph, turning around,
and roaring back.
There was a name for the stunt, but my memory will no longer serve.
Anyone here knows?
I recall it being mentioned that there was a thing in the sixties where >>>> bikers would set off from the car park of the Ace Cafe, hare off along >>>> the A40 to the next roundabout and return. If it was done within a
certain time limit then the rider must have 'done the ton'.
uk.rec.motorcycles would be the place to ask. Some even may claim to
have done it.
views from the canal bridge as you cross the north circular much wider I'm >>> sure!
And yes I remember Rowland.
I have exchanged a few mails with him, long ago,
but also long after he left here.
He said he was happy doing other things,
and over some of his problems,
That's good to hear.
May his memory last forever!
But yes, he was a, if not the, founder of UCSM. That was back in the
early 1990s, before MacTel (BBS) closed down.
In the olden days, when ukcsm was young, and Rowland was still around, motorcycles were always on topic. Any of the old guard still around?
Now for the question: One of the stunts mentioned was getting on it,
roaring off until reaching a speed of 100 mph, turning around,
and roaring back.
There was a name for the stunt, but my memory will no longer serve.
Anyone here knows?
On 21/10/2024 09:28, John Hill wrote:
But yes, he was a, if not the, founder of UCSM. That was back in the
early 1990s, before MacTel (BBS) closed down.
I'd guess at 1996 or 97, or even 98.
I was a subscriber to other groups at the item, mostly USA based, then
there came the proposal to start this group, but my ISP at the time, BT,
I think, didn't carry it for around 6 months after it was formed.
On 21/10/2024 09:28, John Hill wrote:
But yes, he was a, if not the, founder of UCSM. That was back in the
early 1990s, before MacTel (BBS) closed down.
I'd guess at 1996 or 97, or even 98.
I was a subscriber to other groups at the item, mostly USA based, then
there came the proposal to start this group, but my ISP at the time, BT,
I think, didnt carry it for around 6 months after it was formed.
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On 20/10/2024 18:53, Alan Lee wrote:
On 20/10/2024 14:24, David Kennedy wrote:
On 20/10/2024 12:00, Roger Merriman wrote:
And yes I remember Rowland.
Everyone who made contact remembers him...
IIRC, it was he who started this group, or at least started the process of >> creating the group. It was Rowland and (possibly?) Rebecca (in his headers) >> for a few years, then she left him, and he got more and more argumentive and >> bitter to other posters, eventually disappearing from here.
He did indeed contribute to founding the group, a very knowledgeable chap. And, incidentally, if you wanted an argument, he was the one to go to...
Liz Tuddenham wrote:
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On 21/10/2024 09:31, John Hill wrote:
On 21 Oct 2024 at 08:40:15 BST, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote:
Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Bruce <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:
On 19/10/2024 20:42, J. J. Lodder wrote:I have wondered about visiting Ace Cafe you pass it and get fairly good >>>> views from the canal bridge as you cross the north circular much wider I'm >>>> sure!
In the olden days, when ukcsm was young, and Rowland was still around, >>>>>> motorcycles were always on topic. Any of the old guard still around? >>>>>>
Now for the question: One of the stunts mentioned was getting on it, >>>>>> roaring off until reaching a speed of 100 mph, turning around,
and roaring back.
There was a name for the stunt, but my memory will no longer serve. >>>>>> Anyone here knows?
I recall it being mentioned that there was a thing in the sixties where >>>>> bikers would set off from the car park of the Ace Cafe, hare off along >>>>> the A40 to the next roundabout and return. If it was done within a
certain time limit then the rider must have 'done the ton'.
uk.rec.motorcycles would be the place to ask. Some even may claim to >>>>> have done it.
And yes I remember Rowland.
I have exchanged a few mails with him, long ago,
but also long after he left here.
He said he was happy doing other things,
and over some of his problems,
That's good to hear.
May his memory last forever!
What a nice man you are, Old John! 🙂
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cypq7HOfZ0E
By the way, the answer I gave here was the exact response given to the question by ChatGPT. It's really very good.
Have you tried it yourself, John?
https://chatgpt.com
On 20/10/2024 12:00, Roger Merriman wrote:
Bruce <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:Everyone who made contact remembers him...
On 19/10/2024 20:42, J. J. Lodder wrote:I have wondered about visiting Ace Cafe you pass it and get fairly good
In the olden days, when ukcsm was young, and Rowland was still around, >>>> motorcycles were always on topic. Any of the old guard still around?
Now for the question: One of the stunts mentioned was getting on it,
roaring off until reaching a speed of 100 mph, turning around,
and roaring back.
There was a name for the stunt, but my memory will no longer serve.
Anyone here knows?
I recall it being mentioned that there was a thing in the sixties where
bikers would set off from the car park of the Ace Cafe, hare off along
the A40 to the next roundabout and return. If it was done within a
certain time limit then the rider must have 'done the ton'.
uk.rec.motorcycles would be the place to ask. Some even may claim to
have done it.
views from the canal bridge as you cross the north circular much wider I’m >> sure!
And yes I remember Rowland.
Roger Merriman
Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
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On 20/10/2024 18:53, Alan Lee wrote:
On 20/10/2024 14:24, David Kennedy wrote:
On 20/10/2024 12:00, Roger Merriman wrote:
And yes I remember Rowland.
Everyone who made contact remembers him...
IIRC, it was he who started this group, or at least started the process of >> creating the group. It was Rowland and (possibly?) Rebecca (in his headers) >> for a few years, then she left him, and he got more and more argumentive and >> bitter to other posters, eventually disappearing from here.
He did indeed contribute to founding the group, a very knowledgeable chap. And, incidentally, if you wanted an argument, he was the one to go to...
David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:
On 20/10/2024 18:53, Alan Lee wrote:
On 20/10/2024 14:24, David Kennedy wrote:
On 20/10/2024 12:00, Roger Merriman wrote:
And yes I remember Rowland.
Everyone who made contact remembers him...
IIRC, it was he who started this group, or at least started the process of >>> creating the group. It was Rowland and (possibly?) Rebecca (in his headers) >>> for a few years, then she left him, and he got more and more argumentive and
bitter to other posters, eventually disappearing from here.
He did indeed contribute to founding the group, a very knowledgeable chap. >> And, incidentally, if you wanted an argument, he was the one to go to...
Wasn’t he into LaTex software?
Sara had wonderful Man splanning moment with one of those! She’d used them as temp in the 80’s his look of fear as he realised he was a) wrong b) way out of his league as she really liked computer tech!
Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:
On 20/10/2024 18:53, Alan Lee wrote:
On 20/10/2024 14:24, David Kennedy wrote:
On 20/10/2024 12:00, Roger Merriman wrote:
And yes I remember Rowland.
Everyone who made contact remembers him...
IIRC, it was he who started this group, or at least started the process of >>>> creating the group. It was Rowland and (possibly?) Rebecca (in his headers)
for a few years, then she left him, and he got more and more argumentive and
bitter to other posters, eventually disappearing from here.
He did indeed contribute to founding the group, a very knowledgeable chap. >>> And, incidentally, if you wanted an argument, he was the one to go to... >>>
Wasn’t he into LaTex software?
Sara had wonderful Man splanning moment with one of those! She’d used them >> as temp in the 80’s his look of fear as he realised he was a) wrong b) way >> out of his league as she really liked computer tech!
Yeah, he got me started on LaTeX. I learnt a lot trying it, but could never see it the way he did, finding it simpler than a WYSIWYG document
processor.
On 22 Oct 2024 at 3:52:28 PM BST, "Andy H" <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:
Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:
On 20/10/2024 18:53, Alan Lee wrote:
On 20/10/2024 14:24, David Kennedy wrote:
On 20/10/2024 12:00, Roger Merriman wrote:
And yes I remember Rowland.
Everyone who made contact remembers him...
IIRC, it was he who started this group, or at least started the process of
creating the group. It was Rowland and (possibly?) Rebecca (in his headers)
for a few years, then she left him, and he got more and more argumentive and
bitter to other posters, eventually disappearing from here.
He did indeed contribute to founding the group, a very knowledgeable chap. >>>> And, incidentally, if you wanted an argument, he was the one to go to... >>>>
Wasn’t he into LaTex software?
Sara had wonderful Man splanning moment with one of those! She’d used them
as temp in the 80’s his look of fear as he realised he was a) wrong b) way
out of his league as she really liked computer tech!
Yeah, he got me started on LaTeX. I learnt a lot trying it, but could never >> see it the way he did, finding it simpler than a WYSIWYG document
processor.
I still have a soft spot for it, especially for the way it forces you to concentrate on the content and worry about formatting later (if at all). Have been thinking about that a lot lately, watching kids doing homework and wasting colossal amounts of time faffing about with fonts, tabs, clipart etc.
Talking of mansplaining Roger, I remember how tolerant Sara was, as one of the
very few women here, of certain people's assumptions about her technical knowledge! (It 's also always been interesting to read responses to Daniele; easy to spot the ones which are very obviously assuming that Daniele is a woman :)
On 21 Oct 2024 at 10:09:36 BST, "David Brooks" <David@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 21/10/2024 09:31, John Hill wrote:
On 21 Oct 2024 at 08:40:15 BST, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote:
Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Bruce <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:
On 19/10/2024 20:42, J. J. Lodder wrote:I have wondered about visiting Ace Cafe you pass it and get fairly good >>>>> views from the canal bridge as you cross the north circular much wider I'm
In the olden days, when ukcsm was young, and Rowland was still around, >>>>>>> motorcycles were always on topic. Any of the old guard still around? >>>>>>>
Now for the question: One of the stunts mentioned was getting on it, >>>>>>> roaring off until reaching a speed of 100 mph, turning around,
and roaring back.
There was a name for the stunt, but my memory will no longer serve. >>>>>>> Anyone here knows?
I recall it being mentioned that there was a thing in the sixties where >>>>>> bikers would set off from the car park of the Ace Cafe, hare off along >>>>>> the A40 to the next roundabout and return. If it was done within a >>>>>> certain time limit then the rider must have 'done the ton'.
uk.rec.motorcycles would be the place to ask. Some even may claim to >>>>>> have done it.
sure!
And yes I remember Rowland.
I have exchanged a few mails with him, long ago,
but also long after he left here.
He said he was happy doing other things,
and over some of his problems,
That's good to hear.
May his memory last forever!
What a nice man you are, Old John! 🙂
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cypq7HOfZ0E
By the way, the answer I gave here was the exact response given to the
question by ChatGPT. It's really very good.
Have you tried it yourself, John?
https://chatgpt.com
Yes, frequently. And so have at least two of my children. But beware - it sometimes gets it wrong. I once asked it to convert Kilograms to Stones and Pounds. It was so obviously wrong that I asked it again, and the reply was still wrong, though not by as much.
However, I recently asked it who was Air Officer Commanding in Hong Kong in 1951 and in 1952 and it answered almost instantaneously. Saved me a lot of time of searching.
And one of my sons gave it a list of ingredients found in his pantry and it came up with an excellent recipe.
Very versatile.
Old John.
I asked: "Who is John Hill - known now as "Old John"?"
On 19/10/2024 20:42, J. J. Lodder wrote:
In the olden days, when ukcsm was young, and Rowland was still around,
motorcycles were always on topic. Any of the old guard still around?
Now for the question: One of the stunts mentioned was getting on it,
roaring off until reaching a speed of 100 mph, turning around,
and roaring back.
There was a name for the stunt, but my memory will no longer serve.
Anyone here knows?
I recall it being mentioned that there was a thing in the sixties where bikers would set off from the car park of the Ace Cafe, hare off along
the A40 to the next roundabout and return. If it was done within a
certain time limit then the rider must have 'done the ton'.
uk.rec.motorcycles would be the place to ask. Some even may claim to
have done it.
On 2024-10-20, Bruce <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:
On 19/10/2024 20:42, J. J. Lodder wrote:
In the olden days, when ukcsm was young, and Rowland was still around,
motorcycles were always on topic. Any of the old guard still around?
Now for the question: One of the stunts mentioned was getting on it,
roaring off until reaching a speed of 100 mph, turning around,
and roaring back.
There was a name for the stunt, but my memory will no longer serve.
Anyone here knows?
I recall it being mentioned that there was a thing in the sixties where
bikers would set off from the car park of the Ace Cafe, hare off along
the A40 to the next roundabout and return. If it was done within a
certain time limit then the rider must have 'done the ton'.
uk.rec.motorcycles would be the place to ask. Some even may claim to
have done it.
Going back to Jan's original query, the word "ton" can also mean "a lot of", e.g. My mate Hamish has tons of old motorcycle magazines. So doing the ton implies a lot of speed (velocity).
On 23/10/2024 08:27, Alan B wrote:
On 2024-10-20, Bruce <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:
On 19/10/2024 20:42, J. J. Lodder wrote:
In the olden days, when ukcsm was young, and Rowland was still around, >>>> motorcycles were always on topic. Any of the old guard still around?
Now for the question: One of the stunts mentioned was getting on it,
roaring off until reaching a speed of 100 mph, turning around,
and roaring back.
There was a name for the stunt, but my memory will no longer serve.
Anyone here knows?
I recall it being mentioned that there was a thing in the sixties where
bikers would set off from the car park of the Ace Cafe, hare off along
the A40 to the next roundabout and return. If it was done within a
certain time limit then the rider must have 'done the ton'.
uk.rec.motorcycles would be the place to ask. Some even may claim to
have done it.
Going back to Jan's original query, the word "ton" can also mean "a
lot of", e.g. My mate Hamish has tons of old motorcycle magazines. So
doing the ton implies a lot of speed (velocity).
There are occasions where ton means 100 and where it means lots.
A ton would be £100, but a ton of money would be lots.
Ton-up, the answer to Jan's original question, is specifically 100 mph
on a motorbike, hence also ton-up boys, those motorcyclists who tended
to travel at that speed.
As to ton meaning 1000, I think that that is only the metric ton,
imperial tons being either 2000 or 2240 depending on their length...
On 23/10/2024 08:27, Alan B wrote:
On 2024-10-20, Bruce <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:
On 19/10/2024 20:42, J. J. Lodder wrote:
In the olden days, when ukcsm was young, and Rowland was still around, >>>> motorcycles were always on topic. Any of the old guard still around?
Now for the question: One of the stunts mentioned was getting on it,
roaring off until reaching a speed of 100 mph, turning around,
and roaring back.
There was a name for the stunt, but my memory will no longer serve.
Anyone here knows?
I recall it being mentioned that there was a thing in the sixties where
bikers would set off from the car park of the Ace Cafe, hare off along
the A40 to the next roundabout and return. If it was done within a
certain time limit then the rider must have 'done the ton'.
uk.rec.motorcycles would be the place to ask. Some even may claim to
have done it.
Going back to Jan's original query, the word "ton" can also mean "a lot of", e.g. My mate Hamish has tons of old motorcycle magazines. So doing the ton implies a lot of speed (velocity).
There are occasions where ton means 100 and where it means lots.
A ton would be £100, but a ton of money would be lots.
Ton-up, the answer to Jan's original question, is specifically 100 mph
on a motorbike, hence also ton-up boys, those motorcyclists who tended
to travel at that speed.
As to ton meaning 1000, I think that that is only the metric ton,
imperial tons being either 2000 or 2240 depending on their length...
On 22 Oct 2024 at 23:32:29 BST, "David Brooks" <David@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
I asked: "Who is John Hill - known now as "Old John"?"
😁
On 2024-10-23, David Sankey <David.Sankey@stfc.ac.uk> wrote:
As to ton meaning 1000, I think that that is only the metric ton,
imperial tons being either 2000 or 2240 depending on their length...
"Ton" can also be confused with "Tun" (middle "u"). The latter (according
to Google) means:
- A large beer or wine cask.
- An imperial measure of capacity, equal to 4 hogsheads (4 x 54 gallons)
I think I'll stick to the occasional pint of beer ;-)
Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:
On 20/10/2024 18:53, Alan Lee wrote:
On 20/10/2024 14:24, David Kennedy wrote:
On 20/10/2024 12:00, Roger Merriman wrote:
And yes I remember Rowland.
Everyone who made contact remembers him...
IIRC, it was he who started this group, or at least started the
process of creating the group. It was Rowland and (possibly?) Rebecca
(in his headers) for a few years, then she left him, and he got more
and more argumentive and bitter to other posters, eventually
disappearing from here.
He did indeed contribute to founding the group, a very knowledgeable
chap. And, incidentally, if you wanted an argument, he was the one to
go to...
Wasn't he into LaTex software?
Sara had wonderful Man splanning moment with one of those! She'd used them as temp in the 80's his look of fear as he realised he was a) wrong b) way out of his league as she really liked computer tech!
Yeah, he got me started on LaTeX. I learnt a lot trying it, but could never see it the way he did, finding it simpler than a WYSIWYG document
processor.
On 23/10/2024 08:49, David Sankey wrote:
On 23/10/2024 08:27, Alan B wrote:
On 2024-10-20, Bruce <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:
On 19/10/2024 20:42, J. J. Lodder wrote:
In the olden days, when ukcsm was young, and Rowland was still around, >>>> motorcycles were always on topic. Any of the old guard still around? >>>>
Now for the question: One of the stunts mentioned was getting on it, >>>> roaring off until reaching a speed of 100 mph, turning around,
and roaring back.
There was a name for the stunt, but my memory will no longer serve.
Anyone here knows?
I recall it being mentioned that there was a thing in the sixties where >>> bikers would set off from the car park of the Ace Cafe, hare off along >>> the A40 to the next roundabout and return. If it was done within a
certain time limit then the rider must have 'done the ton'.
uk.rec.motorcycles would be the place to ask. Some even may claim to
have done it.
Going back to Jan's original query, the word "ton" can also mean "a
lot of", e.g. My mate Hamish has tons of old motorcycle magazines. So
doing the ton implies a lot of speed (velocity).
There are occasions where ton means 100 and where it means lots.
A ton would be 100, but a ton of money would be lots.
Ton-up, the answer to Jan's original question, is specifically 100 mph
on a motorbike, hence also ton-up boys, those motorcyclists who tended
to travel at that speed.
As to ton meaning 1000, I think that that is only the metric ton,
imperial tons being either 2000 or 2240 depending on their length...
What a wise and considered response!
Correct in all detail! ?
David Brooks <David@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 23/10/2024 08:49, David Sankey wrote:
On 23/10/2024 08:27, Alan B wrote:
On 2024-10-20, Bruce <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:
On 19/10/2024 20:42, J. J. Lodder wrote:
In the olden days, when ukcsm was young, and Rowland was still around, >>>>>> motorcycles were always on topic. Any of the old guard still around? >>>>>>
Now for the question: One of the stunts mentioned was getting on it, >>>>>> roaring off until reaching a speed of 100 mph, turning around,
and roaring back.
There was a name for the stunt, but my memory will no longer serve. >>>>>> Anyone here knows?
I recall it being mentioned that there was a thing in the sixties where >>>>> bikers would set off from the car park of the Ace Cafe, hare off along >>>>> the A40 to the next roundabout and return. If it was done within a
certain time limit then the rider must have 'done the ton'.
uk.rec.motorcycles would be the place to ask. Some even may claim to >>>>> have done it.
Going back to Jan's original query, the word "ton" can also mean "a
lot of", e.g. My mate Hamish has tons of old motorcycle magazines. So
doing the ton implies a lot of speed (velocity).
There are occasions where ton means 100 and where it means lots.
A ton would be £100, but a ton of money would be lots.
Ton-up, the answer to Jan's original question, is specifically 100 mph
on a motorbike, hence also ton-up boys, those motorcyclists who tended
to travel at that speed.
As to ton meaning 1000, I think that that is only the metric ton,
imperial tons being either 2000 or 2240 depending on their length...
What a wise and considered response!
Correct in all detail! ?
Some 'tons' are cubic feet, really,
Jan
Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
On 2024-10-23, David Sankey <David.Sankey@stfc.ac.uk> wrote:
As to ton meaning 1000, I think that that is only the metric ton,
imperial tons being either 2000 or 2240 depending on their length...
Which would be tonne, not ton.
"Ton" can also be confused with "Tun" (middle "u"). The latter (according
to Google) means:
- A large beer or wine cask.
- An imperial measure of capacity, equal to 4 hogsheads (4 x 54 gallons)
I think I'll stick to the occasional pint of beer ;-)
So you could have tons of tuns, making tonnes of beer ;-)
On 24/10/2024 10:56, J. J. Lodder wrote:
David Brooks <David@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 23/10/2024 08:49, David Sankey wrote:
On 23/10/2024 08:27, Alan B wrote:
On 2024-10-20, Bruce <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:
On 19/10/2024 20:42, J. J. Lodder wrote:
In the olden days, when ukcsm was young, and Rowland was still around, >>>>>> motorcycles were always on topic. Any of the old guard still around? >>>>>>
Now for the question: One of the stunts mentioned was getting on it, >>>>>> roaring off until reaching a speed of 100 mph, turning around,
and roaring back.
There was a name for the stunt, but my memory will no longer serve. >>>>>> Anyone here knows?
I recall it being mentioned that there was a thing in the sixties where >>>>> bikers would set off from the car park of the Ace Cafe, hare off along >>>>> the A40 to the next roundabout and return. If it was done within a >>>>> certain time limit then the rider must have 'done the ton'.
uk.rec.motorcycles would be the place to ask. Some even may claim to >>>>> have done it.
Going back to Jan's original query, the word "ton" can also mean "a
lot of", e.g. My mate Hamish has tons of old motorcycle magazines. So >>>> doing the ton implies a lot of speed (velocity).
There are occasions where ton means 100 and where it means lots.
A ton would be 100, but a ton of money would be lots.
Ton-up, the answer to Jan's original question, is specifically 100 mph >>> on a motorbike, hence also ton-up boys, those motorcyclists who tended >>> to travel at that speed.
As to ton meaning 1000, I think that that is only the metric ton,
imperial tons being either 2000 or 2240 depending on their length...
What a wise and considered response!
Correct in all detail! ?
Some 'tons' are cubic feet, really,
Jan
No, there is the American short ton which is 2000 pounds and the UK long
ton which is 2240.
On 26 Oct 2024 at 08:15:16 BST, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote:
There is the register ton, (comes in gros or net)
which equals the number of 10x10x1 foot boxes
that can be shoved into a ship's interior spaces.
There really is no end to British perversity with units,
That's right. We'll be announcing some more next week.
David Sankey <David.Sankey@stfc.ac.uk> wrote:
On 24/10/2024 10:56, J. J. Lodder wrote:
David Brooks <David@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 23/10/2024 08:49, David Sankey wrote:
On 23/10/2024 08:27, Alan B wrote:
On 2024-10-20, Bruce <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:
On 19/10/2024 20:42, J. J. Lodder wrote:
In the olden days, when ukcsm was young, and Rowland was still around, >>>>>>>> motorcycles were always on topic. Any of the old guard still around? >>>>>>>>
Now for the question: One of the stunts mentioned was getting on it, >>>>>>>> roaring off until reaching a speed of 100 mph, turning around, >>>>>>>> and roaring back.
There was a name for the stunt, but my memory will no longer serve. >>>>>>>> Anyone here knows?
I recall it being mentioned that there was a thing in the sixties where >>>>>>> bikers would set off from the car park of the Ace Cafe, hare off along >>>>>>> the A40 to the next roundabout and return. If it was done within a >>>>>>> certain time limit then the rider must have 'done the ton'.
uk.rec.motorcycles would be the place to ask. Some even may claim to >>>>>>> have done it.
Going back to Jan's original query, the word "ton" can also mean "a >>>>>> lot of", e.g. My mate Hamish has tons of old motorcycle magazines. So >>>>>> doing the ton implies a lot of speed (velocity).
There are occasions where ton means 100 and where it means lots.
A ton would be £100, but a ton of money would be lots.
Ton-up, the answer to Jan's original question, is specifically 100 mph >>>>> on a motorbike, hence also ton-up boys, those motorcyclists who tended >>>>> to travel at that speed.
As to ton meaning 1000, I think that that is only the metric ton,
imperial tons being either 2000 or 2240 depending on their length...
What a wise and considered response!
Correct in all detail! ?
Some 'tons' are cubic feet, really,
Jan
No, there is the American short ton which is 2000 pounds and the UK long
ton which is 2240.
There is the register ton, (comes in gros or net)
which equals the number of 10x10x1 foot boxes
that can be shoved into a ship's interior spaces.
There really is no end to British perversity with units,
TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
On 26 Oct 2024 at 08:15:16 BST, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote:
There is the register ton, (comes in gros or net)
which equals the number of 10x10x1 foot boxes
that can be shoved into a ship's interior spaces.
There really is no end to British perversity with units,
That's right. We'll be announcing some more next week.
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