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    From Alan B@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 21 08:04:06 2024
    I don't suppose many ucsmers run MacCafé but a new update is available.

    <http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3Cvf34dl%24cu8%241%40rasp.pasdenom.info%3E>

    --
    Cheers, Alan

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  • From J. J. Lodder@21:1/5 to Alan B on Mon Oct 21 15:28:05 2024
    Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

    I don't suppose many ucsmers run MacCafé but a new update is available.

    <http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3Cvf34dl%24cu8%241%40rasp.pasde
    nom.info%3E>

    I notice it, but don't use it.
    Why run an attempt at cloning MacSoup
    when you can have the much better original up and running?

    And it is a bit surprising: years on, and at v3, they still have longish threads in frcsmc about MacCafe and the problems with it,
    (it is about the only subject there)

    Jan

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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to J. J. Lodder on Mon Oct 21 14:21:08 2024
    On Monday 21 October 2024 at 14:28, J. J. Lodder wrote:


    Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

    I don't suppose many ucsmers run MacCafé but a new update is available.

    <http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3Cvf34dl%24cu8%241%40rasp.pasde
    nom.info%3E>

    I notice it, but don't use it.
    Why run an attempt at cloning MacSoup
    when you can have the much better original up and running?

    I do have the means of running MacSOUP and some times do just that. I
    was rather hoping that MacCafé would eventually become a suitable
    replacement, but it sure is taking a long time it that is the intention :(

    And it is a bit surprising: years on, and at v3, they still have longish threads in frcsmc about MacCafe and the problems with it,
    (it is about the only subject there)

    Yes.

    --
    Cheers, Alan

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  • From J. J. Lodder@21:1/5 to Alan B on Mon Oct 21 20:13:07 2024
    Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

    On Monday 21 October 2024 at 14:28, J. J. Lodder wrote:


    Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

    I don't suppose many ucsmers run MacCafé but a new update is available.

    <http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3Cvf34dl%24cu8%241%40rasp.pa
    sde
    nom.info%3E>

    I notice it, but don't use it.
    Why run an attempt at cloning MacSoup
    when you can have the much better original up and running?

    I do have the means of running MacSOUP and some times do just that. I
    was rather hoping that MacCafé would eventually become a suitable replacement, but it sure is taking a long time it that is the intention :(

    And it is a bit surprising: years on, and at v3, they still have longish threads in frcsmc about MacCafe and the problems with it,
    (it is about the only subject there)

    Yes.

    Some wiser one here at ukcsm (maybe it was you)
    said right after they got started that using the 4D database engine
    was a bad mistake, and that it would never get right.

    Seems he was right,

    Jan

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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to J. J. Lodder on Mon Oct 21 19:01:50 2024
    On Monday 21 October 2024 at 19:13, J. J. Lodder wrote:


    Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

    On Monday 21 October 2024 at 14:28, J. J. Lodder wrote:


    Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

    I don't suppose many ucsmers run MacCafé but a new update is available. >> >>
    <http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3Cvf34dl%24cu8%241%40rasp.pa
    sde
    nom.info%3E>

    I notice it, but don't use it.
    Why run an attempt at cloning MacSoup
    when you can have the much better original up and running?

    I do have the means of running MacSOUP and some times do just that. I
    was rather hoping that MacCafé would eventually become a suitable
    replacement, but it sure is taking a long time it that is the intention :( >>
    And it is a bit surprising: years on, and at v3, they still have longish >> > threads in frcsmc about MacCafe and the problems with it,
    (it is about the only subject there)

    Yes.

    Some wiser one here at ukcsm (maybe it was you)
    said right after they got started that using the 4D database engine
    was a bad mistake, and that it would never get right.

    I think it was 'nospam' that first said that but, yes, it seems he may
    be right.

    --
    Cheers, Alan

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  • From J. J. Lodder@21:1/5 to Alan B on Tue Oct 22 12:29:38 2024
    Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

    On Monday 21 October 2024 at 19:13, J. J. Lodder wrote:


    Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

    On Monday 21 October 2024 at 14:28, J. J. Lodder wrote:


    Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

    I don't suppose many ucsmers run MacCafé but a new update is available. >> >>
    <http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3Cvf34dl%24cu8%241%40rasp
    .pa
    sde
    nom.info%3E>

    I notice it, but don't use it.
    Why run an attempt at cloning MacSoup
    when you can have the much better original up and running?

    I do have the means of running MacSOUP and some times do just that. I
    was rather hoping that MacCafé would eventually become a suitable
    replacement, but it sure is taking a long time it that is the intention :( >>
    And it is a bit surprising: years on, and at v3, they still have longish >> > threads in frcsmc about MacCafe and the problems with it,
    (it is about the only subject there)

    Yes.

    Some wiser one here at ukcsm (maybe it was you)
    said right after they got started that using the 4D database engine
    was a bad mistake, and that it would never get right.

    I think it was 'nospam' that first said that but, yes, it seems he may
    be right.

    I did get the impression from half-reading that they have problems with
    OS Sequoia because the underlying database engine has problems,

    Jan

    PS One of my reasons for keeping on MacSoup is having archives.
    They get bloated in MacCafe.

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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to J. J. Lodder on Tue Oct 22 11:40:37 2024
    J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:

    Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

    I think it was 'nospam' that first said that but, yes, it seems he may
    be right.

    I did get the impression from half-reading that they have problems with
    OS Sequoia because the underlying database engine has problems,

    Jan

    PS One of my reasons for keeping on MacSoup is having archives.
    They get bloated in MacCafe.

    Yes I've noticed that too.

    BTW replying with MacSOUP 2.4.6 running on Mac OS 9 via SheepShaver on
    my M1 MBP. OS 9 doesn't support the later versions of MacSOUP ;-(

    --
    Cheers, Alan

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  • From J. J. Lodder@21:1/5 to Alan B on Thu Oct 24 11:56:06 2024
    Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

    J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:

    Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

    I think it was 'nospam' that first said that but, yes, it seems he may
    be right.

    I did get the impression from half-reading that they have problems with
    OS Sequoia because the underlying database engine has problems,

    Jan

    PS One of my reasons for keeping on MacSoup is having archives.
    They get bloated in MacCafe.

    Yes I've noticed that too.

    BTW replying with MacSOUP 2.4.6 running on Mac OS 9 via SheepShaver on
    my M1 MBP. OS 9 doesn't support the later versions of MacSOUP ;-(

    Correct. Stefan had to do a rewrite to keep MacSoup alive
    when OSX 10.0 came out.
    The app is not, but the database files are compatible.
    Unfortunately I no longer have a working monitor,
    so I can no longer reply in MacSoup on Sys 7,

    Jan

    (and I no longer know about the state of the pizza box)

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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to Mark on Sat Oct 26 11:18:31 2024
    On Saturday 26 October 2024 at 11:58, Mark wrote:


    Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
    I don't suppose many ucsmers run MacCafé but a new update is available.

    <http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3Cvf34dl%24cu8%241%40rasp.pasdenom.info%3E>


    I use it (on occasion) but it’s just a bit too much of a faff.

    Yes I still prefer MacSOUP and still run it occasionally as previously
    stated. I think it will take some effort to get MacCafé to emulate
    MacSOUP.

    Mostly use NewsTap now, although I must say I’d love to use Unison or
    even Hogwasher again :(

    Unison doesn't seem to work at all on recent versions of macOS. It's not surprising since development stopped 10+ years ago. I haven't tried the
    Hog for a couple of years now - no updates for several years too, so
    maybe it has also bitten the dust :(

    --
    Cheers, Alan

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