• Slow Disk-Disk Transfers

    From RJH@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 15 11:50:17 2025
    I have an old Mac Mini (Mid 2011) - file transfers between the 2 internal SSDs are taking over 1 minute/GB. The disks are fairly recent but the Mac is obviously ancient, and the 2nd disk was installed using an ebay non-branded kit.

    Even so, 1GB/min seems slow - might something be up?
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    Cheers, Rob, Sheffield UK

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to RJH on Wed Jan 15 22:09:48 2025
    On 15/01/2025 11:50, RJH wrote:
    I have an old Mac Mini (Mid 2011) - file transfers between the 2 internal SSDs
    are taking over 1 minute/GB. The disks are fairly recent but the Mac is obviously ancient, and the 2nd disk was installed using an ebay non-branded kit.

    Even so, 1GB/min seems slow - might something be up?

    Bet they're shingled drives. Sustained writes are hideously slow once
    the internal RAM buffer is filled.

    There's no fix other than to replace them or avoid sustained writes.

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    Bruce Horrocks
    Hampshire, England

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  • From Jaimie Vandenbergh@21:1/5 to Bruce on Thu Jan 16 10:51:15 2025
    On 15 Jan 2025 at 22:09:48 GMT, "Bruce" <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:

    On 15/01/2025 11:50, RJH wrote:
    I have an old Mac Mini (Mid 2011) - file transfers between the 2 internal SSDs
    are taking over 1 minute/GB. The disks are fairly recent but the Mac is
    obviously ancient, and the 2nd disk was installed using an ebay non-branded >> kit.

    Even so, 1GB/min seems slow - might something be up?

    Bet they're shingled drives. Sustained writes are hideously slow once
    the internal RAM buffer is filled.

    There's no fix other than to replace them or avoid sustained writes.

    That's a hard drive thing, won't be on SSDs.

    Open up System Information and take a look under SATA, see if there's
    anything odd showing there. SATA 300 is normal speed, but I'm not on a
    Mac that has any SATA at the moment so can't see if it shows that...

    Cheers - Jaimie

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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to RJH on Thu Jan 16 15:32:02 2025
    RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
    I have an old Mac Mini (Mid 2011) - file transfers between the 2 internal SSDs
    are taking over 1 minute/GB. The disks are fairly recent but the Mac is obviously ancient, and the 2nd disk was installed using an ebay non-branded kit.

    Even so, 1GB/min seems slow - might something be up?

    Are these big files like videos, or a ton of tiny files? Tiny files can
    have slow copying times, because there's very little data involved with each one and yet you pay a latency cost each time. NVMe/Apple SSDs are better in this respect than SATA SSDs, since they have lower latency.

    Theo

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  • From RJH@21:1/5 to Theo on Thu Jan 16 17:48:15 2025
    On 16 Jan 2025 at 15:32:02 GMT, Theo wrote:

    RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
    I have an old Mac Mini (Mid 2011) - file transfers between the 2 internal SSDs
    are taking over 1 minute/GB. The disks are fairly recent but the Mac is
    obviously ancient, and the 2nd disk was installed using an ebay non-branded >> kit.

    Even so, 1GB/min seems slow - might something be up?

    Are these big files like videos, or a ton of tiny files? Tiny files can
    have slow copying times, because there's very little data involved with each one and yet you pay a latency cost each time.

    Big video files - it's used as a Plex media server.

    NVMe/Apple SSDs are better in
    this respect than SATA SSDs, since they have lower latency.


    These are basic SSDs - one's a fairly recent 4TB Crucial, the other a 500GB Kingston. The transfer was from the almost full 4TB data disk to the near
    empty 500GB system disk.

    File transfer aside, it's all trouble free - plays anything I've thrown at it, and has been pretty solid in the 5 years or so it's been used like this.

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    Cheers, Rob, Sheffield UK

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  • From RJH@21:1/5 to Jaimie Vandenbergh on Thu Jan 16 17:41:47 2025
    On 16 Jan 2025 at 10:51:15 GMT, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:

    On 15 Jan 2025 at 22:09:48 GMT, "Bruce" <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:

    On 15/01/2025 11:50, RJH wrote:
    I have an old Mac Mini (Mid 2011) - file transfers between the 2 internal SSDs
    are taking over 1 minute/GB. The disks are fairly recent but the Mac is
    obviously ancient, and the 2nd disk was installed using an ebay non-branded >>> kit.

    Even so, 1GB/min seems slow - might something be up?

    Bet they're shingled drives. Sustained writes are hideously slow once
    the internal RAM buffer is filled.

    There's no fix other than to replace them or avoid sustained writes.

    That's a hard drive thing, won't be on SSDs.

    Open up System Information and take a look under SATA, see if there's anything odd showing there. SATA 300 is normal speed, but I'm not on a
    Mac that has any SATA at the moment so can't see if it shows that...



    Both drives appear under Intel 6 Series Chipset and are listed as 6 Gigabit Negotiated Link Speed. So I'd guess that's OK.

    The only odd thing that I can see is that both drives have 200MB FAT32 EFI volumes. Possibly from when I'd used them on Windows machines - although I can't think why I'd have done that, wouldn't put it past me.

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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to RJH on Thu Jan 16 18:10:20 2025
    RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
    On 16 Jan 2025 at 15:32:02 GMT, Theo wrote:

    RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
    I have an old Mac Mini (Mid 2011) - file transfers between the 2 internal SSDs
    are taking over 1 minute/GB. The disks are fairly recent but the Mac is
    obviously ancient, and the 2nd disk was installed using an ebay non-branded
    kit.

    Even so, 1GB/min seems slow - might something be up?

    Are these big files like videos, or a ton of tiny files? Tiny files can have slow copying times, because there's very little data involved with each
    one and yet you pay a latency cost each time.

    Big video files - it's used as a Plex media server.

    NVMe/Apple SSDs are better in
    this respect than SATA SSDs, since they have lower latency.


    These are basic SSDs - one's a fairly recent 4TB Crucial, the other a 500GB Kingston. The transfer was from the almost full 4TB data disk to the near empty 500GB system disk.

    File transfer aside, it's all trouble free - plays anything I've thrown at it,
    and has been pretty solid in the 5 years or so it's been used like this.

    I wonder if one of the SSDs is poorly. Can you check their SMART?

    Theo

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  • From Jaimie Vandenbergh@21:1/5 to RJH on Thu Jan 16 18:06:40 2025
    On 16 Jan 2025 at 17:41:47 GMT, "RJH" <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:

    On 16 Jan 2025 at 10:51:15 GMT, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:

    On 15 Jan 2025 at 22:09:48 GMT, "Bruce" <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:

    On 15/01/2025 11:50, RJH wrote:
    I have an old Mac Mini (Mid 2011) - file transfers between the 2 internal SSDs
    are taking over 1 minute/GB. The disks are fairly recent but the Mac is >>>> obviously ancient, and the 2nd disk was installed using an ebay non-branded
    kit.

    Even so, 1GB/min seems slow - might something be up?

    Bet they're shingled drives. Sustained writes are hideously slow once
    the internal RAM buffer is filled.

    There's no fix other than to replace them or avoid sustained writes.

    That's a hard drive thing, won't be on SSDs.

    Open up System Information and take a look under SATA, see if there's
    anything odd showing there. SATA 300 is normal speed, but I'm not on a
    Mac that has any SATA at the moment so can't see if it shows that...



    Both drives appear under Intel 6 Series Chipset and are listed as 6 Gigabit Negotiated Link Speed. So I'd guess that's OK.

    Duh. 6, yes.


    The only odd thing that I can see is that both drives have 200MB FAT32 EFI volumes. Possibly from when I'd used them on Windows machines - although I can't think why I'd have done that, wouldn't put it past me.

    Shouldn't affect them. Hmm. Not sure...

    Cheers - J
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    -- Marilyn vos Savant

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  • From J. J. Lodder@21:1/5 to RJH on Thu Jan 16 22:25:00 2025
    RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:

    I have an old Mac Mini (Mid 2011) - file transfers between the 2 internal SSDs
    are taking over 1 minute/GB. The disks are fairly recent but the Mac is obviously ancient, and the 2nd disk was installed using an ebay non-branded kit.

    Nothing but a cable. How could it be faulty?
    Poor contact?

    Even so, 1GB/min seems slow - might something be up?

    Indeed, it is far too slow.
    Does Activity Monitor see anything unusual?

    Jan

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  • From RJH@21:1/5 to Theo on Fri Jan 17 13:28:22 2025
    On 16 Jan 2025 at 18:10:20 GMT, Theo wrote:

    RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
    On 16 Jan 2025 at 15:32:02 GMT, Theo wrote:

    RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
    I have an old Mac Mini (Mid 2011) - file transfers between the 2 internal SSDs
    are taking over 1 minute/GB. The disks are fairly recent but the Mac is >>>> obviously ancient, and the 2nd disk was installed using an ebay non-branded
    kit.

    Even so, 1GB/min seems slow - might something be up?

    Are these big files like videos, or a ton of tiny files? Tiny files can >>> have slow copying times, because there's very little data involved with each
    one and yet you pay a latency cost each time.

    Big video files - it's used as a Plex media server.

    NVMe/Apple SSDs are better in
    this respect than SATA SSDs, since they have lower latency.


    These are basic SSDs - one's a fairly recent 4TB Crucial, the other a 500GB >> Kingston. The transfer was from the almost full 4TB data disk to the near
    empty 500GB system disk.

    File transfer aside, it's all trouble free - plays anything I've thrown at it,
    and has been pretty solid in the 5 years or so it's been used like this.

    I wonder if one of the SSDs is poorly. Can you check their SMART?

    Theo

    The System Report says 'OK' under SMART. I could dig a little deeper - thanks everyone for the advice.
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    Cheers, Rob, Sheffield UK

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Jaimie Vandenbergh on Fri Jan 17 22:59:12 2025
    On 16/01/2025 10:51, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:
    That's a hard drive thing, won't be on SSDs.

    D'oh, yes of course.

    (Must read post carefully. Must read post carefully. Must not forget
    post in the 2 secs between reading and replying. Must not ...)

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    Bruce Horrocks
    Hampshire, England

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