• Sequoia 15.3 released

    From jbrennand@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 6 14:39:27 2025
    Anyone installed it yet? Any issues spotted ?

    JohnB

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  • From Jaimie Vandenbergh@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 6 14:50:00 2025
    On 6 Feb 2025 at 14:39:27 GMT, "jbrennand" <brennand@ntlworld.com>
    wrote:

    Anyone installed it yet? Any issues spotted ?

    JohnB

    The only thing I get occasionally is diskimagesiod running at 760% CPU
    for a few minutes, it's the only thing that can cause my M1 to chug.

    Started happening when I hooked up a Time Capsule a few months back...
    Apple so far ignoring my Feeback Assistant reports. It's quite likely
    it's a not-tested-with-TC thing, given they stopped making those a
    decade back or so!

    Cheers - Jaimie
    --
    "Don't drag me down to your level, meat."
    -- Red Robot #C-63

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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to David Kennedy on Fri Feb 7 09:03:19 2025
    David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 06/02/2025 14:39, jbrennand wrote:
    Anyone installed it yet?  Any issues spotted ?

    JohnB
    No problems here - M1 MacBook Pro

    And on my M1 MBP.

    --
    Cheers, Alan

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  • From John@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 9 15:26:59 2025
    On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 14:39:27 +0000, jbrennand <brennand@ntlworld.com>
    wrote:

    Anyone installed it yet? Any issues spotted ?

    I installed it over 15.1.1 on my MBP a couple of days ago.

    It took a while. The process was as boring as fuck as there were
    months and months and MONTHS of "process will take another 9 minutes" interrupted by dark screens.

    At the end, though, it worked fine.

    I'm not going to do it on the MacMini that I was given because that
    beasty is running Mprime and I'm utterly unsure how to save my running
    work then to restart the thing. That box is on 14.7 or something.

    15.3 has, so far, run perfectly on the MPB without any problems,
    issues or difficulties.

    Does that help?

    J.


    JohnB

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  • From D.M. Procida@21:1/5 to John on Sun Feb 9 19:50:35 2025
    On 9 Feb 2025 at 16:26:59 CET, "John" <Man@the.keyboard> wrote:

    On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 14:39:27 +0000, jbrennand <brennand@ntlworld.com>
    wrote:

    Anyone installed it yet? Any issues spotted ?

    I installed it over 15.1.1 on my MBP a couple of days ago.

    It took a while. The process was as boring as fuck as there were
    months and months and MONTHS of "process will take another 9 minutes" interrupted by dark screens.

    Look, what is this nonsense?

    I was just thinking: 15.3: who cares about 15.3, whatever that is?

    I remember back in ~1995 installing System 7.5; perhaps it was 7.5.1. It came in a cardboard box that gave me a nasty cut under my fingernail as I opened
    it, and contained something like 10 floppy disks, that had to be fed patiently into a Macintosh IIvx.

    Another 9 minutes pah.

    Daniele

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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to D.M. Procida on Sun Feb 9 20:31:24 2025
    D.M. Procida <daniele-at-vurt-dot-org@invalid.com> wrote:
    On 9 Feb 2025 at 16:26:59 CET, "John" <Man@the.keyboard> wrote:

    On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 14:39:27 +0000, jbrennand <brennand@ntlworld.com>
    wrote:

    Anyone installed it yet? Any issues spotted ?

    I installed it over 15.1.1 on my MBP a couple of days ago.

    It took a while. The process was as boring as fuck as there were
    months and months and MONTHS of "process will take another 9 minutes"
    interrupted by dark screens.

    Look, what is this nonsense?

    I was just thinking: 15.3: who cares about 15.3, whatever that is?

    I remember back in ~1995 installing System 7.5; perhaps it was 7.5.1. It came in a cardboard box that gave me a nasty cut under my fingernail as I opened it, and contained something like 10 floppy disks, that had to be fed patiently
    into a Macintosh IIvx.

    Another 9 minutes pah.

    I remember doing a backup of my 68k Mac in the mid nineties and using 46 floppies! Fortunately I never had to reinstall :)

    --
    Cheers, Alan

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  • From J. J. Lodder@21:1/5 to Alan B on Sun Feb 9 22:19:35 2025
    Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

    D.M. Procida <daniele-at-vurt-dot-org@invalid.com> wrote:
    On 9 Feb 2025 at 16:26:59 CET, "John" <Man@the.keyboard> wrote:

    On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 14:39:27 +0000, jbrennand <brennand@ntlworld.com>
    wrote:

    Anyone installed it yet? Any issues spotted ?

    I installed it over 15.1.1 on my MBP a couple of days ago.

    It took a while. The process was as boring as fuck as there were
    months and months and MONTHS of "process will take another 9 minutes"
    interrupted by dark screens.

    Look, what is this nonsense?

    I was just thinking: 15.3: who cares about 15.3, whatever that is?

    I remember back in ~1995 installing System 7.5; perhaps it was 7.5.1. It came in a cardboard box that gave me a nasty cut under my fingernail as
    I opened it, and contained something like 10 floppy disks, that had to
    be fed patiently into a Macintosh IIvx.

    Another 9 minutes pah.

    I remember doing a backup of my 68k Mac in the mid nineties and using 46 floppies! Fortunately I never had to reinstall :)

    In that case you would have found one of the 46 floppies
    to be unreadable, causing the whole backup to fail,

    Jan

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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to J. J. Lodder on Sun Feb 9 21:33:53 2025
    J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
    Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

    D.M. Procida <daniele-at-vurt-dot-org@invalid.com> wrote:
    On 9 Feb 2025 at 16:26:59 CET, "John" <Man@the.keyboard> wrote:

    On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 14:39:27 +0000, jbrennand <brennand@ntlworld.com>
    wrote:

    Anyone installed it yet? Any issues spotted ?

    I installed it over 15.1.1 on my MBP a couple of days ago.

    It took a while. The process was as boring as fuck as there were
    months and months and MONTHS of "process will take another 9 minutes"
    interrupted by dark screens.

    Look, what is this nonsense?

    I was just thinking: 15.3: who cares about 15.3, whatever that is?

    I remember back in ~1995 installing System 7.5; perhaps it was 7.5.1. It >>> came in a cardboard box that gave me a nasty cut under my fingernail as
    I opened it, and contained something like 10 floppy disks, that had to
    be fed patiently into a Macintosh IIvx.

    Another 9 minutes pah.

    I remember doing a backup of my 68k Mac in the mid nineties and using 46
    floppies! Fortunately I never had to reinstall :)

    In that case you would have found one of the 46 floppies
    to be unreadable, causing the whole backup to fail,

    Undoubtedly ;-)

    --
    Cheers, Alan

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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to John on Mon Feb 10 19:22:53 2025
    John <Man@the.keyboard> wrote:
    On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 14:39:27 +0000, jbrennand <brennand@ntlworld.com>
    wrote:

    Anyone installed it yet? Any issues spotted ?

    I installed it over 15.1.1 on my MBP a couple of days ago.

    It took a while. The process was as boring as fuck as there were
    months and months and MONTHS of "process will take another 9 minutes" interrupted by dark screens.

    At the end, though, it worked fine.

    I'm not going to do it on the MacMini that I was given because that
    beasty is running Mprime and I'm utterly unsure how to save my running
    work then to restart the thing. That box is on 14.7 or something.

    15.3 has, so far, run perfectly on the MPB without any problems,
    issues or difficulties.

    And now we have 15.3.1 to deal with - a minor update apparently.

    <https://www.macrumors.com/2025/02/10/apple-releases-macos-sequoia-15-3-1/>

    --
    Cheers, Alan

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  • From John@21:1/5 to daniele-at-vurt-dot-org@invalid.com on Tue Feb 11 01:07:31 2025
    On 9 Feb 2025 19:50:35 GMT, D.M. Procida
    <daniele-at-vurt-dot-org@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 9 Feb 2025 at 16:26:59 CET, "John" <Man@the.keyboard> wrote:

    On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 14:39:27 +0000, jbrennand <brennand@ntlworld.com>
    wrote:

    Anyone installed it yet? Any issues spotted ?

    I installed it over 15.1.1 on my MBP a couple of days ago.

    It took a while. The process was as boring as fuck as there were
    months and months and MONTHS of "process will take another 9 minutes"
    interrupted by dark screens.

    Look, what is this nonsense?

    It's called "exaggeration for humorous effect" or "jesting" or simply
    "taking the piss out of the interminable wait states that an install
    goes into".

    It was meant to be taken as saying that the installation of 15.3 was
    not quite instantaneous.

    It was also boring.


    I was just thinking: 15.3: who cares about 15.3, whatever that is?

    Loads of people do. Many of them work for Apple. Even more work for publications dealing mainly or peripherally with I.T. and technology.
    A few are users.

    "15.3" is a version of the operating system used by many of Apple's
    Mac-type computers. It can be downloaded from the Apple Store, I think
    and some PC's running fairly recent versions of OSX/MacOS or whatever
    they call it this week will prompt the user to install it over their
    currently running version. My MacBook Pro's OS did.


    I remember back in ~1995 installing System 7.5; perhaps it was 7.5.1. It came >in a cardboard box that gave me a nasty cut under my fingernail as I opened >it, and contained something like 10 floppy disks, that had to be fed patiently >into a Macintosh IIvx.

    Yeah, well, I remember doing a twenty-odd floppy back-up of something
    then doing a restore from that back-up some time later. The restore
    actually worked. It seems that I was appropriately careful in doing
    the back-up and labeling and keeping the discs.




    Another 9 minutes pah.

    Are you saying that "9 minutes" isn't a long interval between
    starting and finishing a background task on a machine? If so, then I'd
    maybe agree that it's a lot shorter than trying to download a 60MB
    file over a 300 Baud line but it is still tedious compared to many
    things we do today.

    But it is the blank screens that don't have countdowns or
    thermometers ("progress bars") telling us something is actually
    *happening* that really bug me.

    Though even those are not quite so bad as I exaggerated them as being
    in my original post.

    J.


    Daniele

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  • From J. J. Lodder@21:1/5 to Alan B on Tue Feb 11 09:08:50 2025
    Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

    J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
    Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

    D.M. Procida <daniele-at-vurt-dot-org@invalid.com> wrote:
    On 9 Feb 2025 at 16:26:59 CET, "John" <Man@the.keyboard> wrote:

    On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 14:39:27 +0000, jbrennand <brennand@ntlworld.com> >>>> wrote:

    Anyone installed it yet? Any issues spotted ?

    I installed it over 15.1.1 on my MBP a couple of days ago.

    It took a while. The process was as boring as fuck as there were
    months and months and MONTHS of "process will take another 9 minutes" >>>> interrupted by dark screens.

    Look, what is this nonsense?

    I was just thinking: 15.3: who cares about 15.3, whatever that is?

    I remember back in ~1995 installing System 7.5; perhaps it was 7.5.1. It >>> came in a cardboard box that gave me a nasty cut under my fingernail as >>> I opened it, and contained something like 10 floppy disks, that had to >>> be fed patiently into a Macintosh IIvx.

    Another 9 minutes pah.

    I remember doing a backup of my 68k Mac in the mid nineties and using 46 >> floppies! Fortunately I never had to reinstall :)

    In that case you would have found one of the 46 floppies
    to be unreadable, causing the whole backup to fail,

    Undoubtedly ;-)

    So you should have done it in triplicate...

    Jan

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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to J. J. Lodder on Tue Feb 11 10:17:15 2025
    On 2025-02-11, J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
    Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

    J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
    Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

    D.M. Procida <daniele-at-vurt-dot-org@invalid.com> wrote:
    On 9 Feb 2025 at 16:26:59 CET, "John" <Man@the.keyboard> wrote:

    On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 14:39:27 +0000, jbrennand <brennand@ntlworld.com>
    wrote:

    Anyone installed it yet? Any issues spotted ?

    I installed it over 15.1.1 on my MBP a couple of days ago.

    It took a while. The process was as boring as fuck as there were
    months and months and MONTHS of "process will take another 9 minutes" >> >>>> interrupted by dark screens.

    Look, what is this nonsense?

    I was just thinking: 15.3: who cares about 15.3, whatever that is?

    I remember back in ~1995 installing System 7.5; perhaps it was 7.5.1. It >> >>> came in a cardboard box that gave me a nasty cut under my fingernail as >> >>> I opened it, and contained something like 10 floppy disks, that had to >> >>> be fed patiently into a Macintosh IIvx.

    Another 9 minutes pah.

    I remember doing a backup of my 68k Mac in the mid nineties and using 46 >> >> floppies! Fortunately I never had to reinstall :)

    In that case you would have found one of the 46 floppies
    to be unreadable, causing the whole backup to fail,

    Undoubtedly ;-)

    So you should have done it in triplicate...

    Do you remember Iomega Zip drives? I used one of those for a while with 100
    Mb diskettes (you could get larger capacities also).

    --
    Cheers, Alan

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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to Chris on Tue Feb 11 11:24:12 2025
    On 2025-02-11, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 10/02/2025 19:22, Alan B wrote:
    John <Man@the.keyboard> wrote:
    On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 14:39:27 +0000, jbrennand <brennand@ntlworld.com>
    wrote:

    Anyone installed it yet? Any issues spotted ?

    I installed it over 15.1.1 on my MBP a couple of days ago.

    It took a while. The process was as boring as fuck as there were
    months and months and MONTHS of "process will take another 9 minutes"
    interrupted by dark screens.

    At the end, though, it worked fine.

    I'm not going to do it on the MacMini that I was given because that
    beasty is running Mprime and I'm utterly unsure how to save my running
    work then to restart the thing. That box is on 14.7 or something.

    15.3 has, so far, run perfectly on the MPB without any problems,
    issues or difficulties.

    And now we have 15.3.1 to deal with - a minor update apparently.

    <https://www.macrumors.com/2025/02/10/apple-releases-macos-sequoia-15-3-1/>

    It coincides with this update for iOS 18.3.1. Could be relatively serious.

    "Impact: A physical attack may disable USB Restricted Mode on a locked device. Apple is aware of a report that this issue may have been
    exploited in an extremely sophisticated attack against specific targeted individuals."

    https://support.apple.com/en-us/122174

    Thanks for that. Fortunately I updated my iDevices last night after I'd performed the Sequoia update. Mind you I doubt whether I could be a target
    but you never know!

    --
    Cheers, Alan

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  • From Frederick@21:1/5 to Chris on Tue Feb 11 15:22:52 2025
    In message <vofaeh$1o3ft$1@dont-email.me>
    Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 11/02/2025 10:17, Alan B wrote:
    [snip]
    Do you remember Iomega Zip drives? I used one of those for a while
    with 100 Mb diskettes (you could get larger capacities also).

    Yep. It was great - the click of death not withstanding - as alternative re-writable media was niche/expensive/unavailable.

    Pretty sure I had the 250MB version.

    Yup. I have one in the Acorn Risc PC sitting next to my desk.
    Surprisingly, when I checked a couple of months ago the discs still seemed
    OK.

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  • From D.M. Procida@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 14 11:23:08 2025
    On 11 Feb 2025 at 11:17:15 CET, "Alan B" <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

    Do you remember Iomega Zip drives? I used one of those for a while with 100 Mb diskettes (you could get larger capacities also).

    When QuickTime something or the other was released, Peter sent me a Zip disk
    in the post, and I sent it back with the QuickTime installer on - I had access to a fast university network, and he was on dial-up Internet.

    1996, I think.

    Daniele

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  • From Martin S Taylor@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 5 15:56:19 2025
    On 11 Feb 2025, Alan B wrote
    (in article<vof83b$1nop1$1@alanrichardbarker.eternal-september.org>):

    On 2025-02-11, J. J. Lodder<nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
    Alan B<alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

    J. J. Lodder<nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
    Alan B<alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

    D.M. Procida<daniele-at-vurt-dot-org@invalid.com> wrote:
    On 9 Feb 2025 at 16:26:59 CET, "John"<Man@the.keyboard> wrote:

    On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 14:39:27 +0000, jbrennand<brennand@ntlworld.com>
    wrote:

    Anyone installed it yet? Any issues spotted ?

    I installed it over 15.1.1 on my MBP a couple of days ago.

    It took a while. The process was as boring as fuck as there were months and months and MONTHS of "process will take another 9 minutes"
    interrupted by dark screens.

    Look, what is this nonsense?

    I was just thinking: 15.3: who cares about 15.3, whatever that is?

    I remember back in ~1995 installing System 7.5; perhaps it was 7.5.1. It
    came in a cardboard box that gave me a nasty cut under my fingernail as
    I opened it, and contained something like 10 floppy disks, that had to
    be fed patiently into a Macintosh IIvx.

    Another 9 minutes pah.

    I remember doing a backup of my 68k Mac in the mid nineties and using 46
    floppies! Fortunately I never had to reinstall :)

    In that case you would have found one of the 46 floppies
    to be unreadable, causing the whole backup to fail,

    Undoubtedly ;-)

    So you should have done it in triplicate...

    Do you remember Iomega Zip drives? I used one of those for a while with 100 Mb diskettes (you could get larger capacities also).

    You mean there are newer ways to back up?

    MST

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