Given current USA politics and the UK government's demands for access, is
now a good time to remove one's data and cease the use of iCloud?
Given current USA politics and the UK government's demands for access, is
now a good time to remove one's data and cease the use of iCloud?
Frederick <fred@ypical.demon.invalid> wrote:
Given current USA politics and the UK government's demands for access, is
now a good time to remove one's data and cease the use of iCloud?
I know of other groups, who would have nothing to hide from a reasonable >government, who are now recommending that their members stop using
certain American media sites.
Frederick <fred@ypical.demon.invalid> wrote:
Given current USA politics and the UK government's demands for access,
is now a good time to remove one's data and cease the use of iCloud?
I know of other groups, who would have nothing to hide from a reasonable government, who are now recommending that their members stop using
certain American media sites.
In message <1r7x4ux.ci3spb1ibii6lN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>
liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
Frederick <fred@ypical.demon.invalid> wrote:
Given current USA politics and the UK government's demands for access,
is now a good time to remove one's data and cease the use of iCloud?
I know of other groups, who would have nothing to hide from a reasonable
government, who are now recommending that their members stop using
certain American media sites.
Here we go...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgj54eq4vejo
I just find it amazing that our thick government have succeeded in removing
a key reason why people choose a company such as Apple. As far as I’m concerned, this is bullshit, and they obviously have no idea about the
real world.
On 22 Feb 2025 at 07:27:52 GMT, "Andy H" <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:
I just find it amazing that our thick government have succeeded in removing >> a key reason why people choose a company such as Apple. As far as I’m
concerned, this is bullshit, and they obviously have no idea about the
real world.
Some of us did try to warn about that ahead of time, but it seems not enough people took any notice.
Having listened to various radio reports, nobody's answered the question: why didn't Apple refuse to capitulate?
In much the same way as they refused FBI
access a few years ago.
For myself, I'm not sure how to challenge the decision. Stiff letter to my MP?
On 22 Feb 2025 at 08:03:25 GMT, TimS wrote:
On 22 Feb 2025 at 07:27:52 GMT, "Andy H" <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:
I just find it amazing that our thick government have succeeded in removing >>> a key reason why people choose a company such as Apple. As far as I’m
concerned, this is bullshit, and they obviously have no idea about the
real world.
Having listened to various radio reports, nobody's answered the question: why didn't Apple refuse to capitulate? In much the same way as they refused FBI access a few years ago.
Some of us did try to warn about that ahead of time, but it seems not enough >> people took any notice.
It seems most people don't know or care - according to some expert on R4.
For myself, I'm not sure how to challenge the decision. Stiff letter to my MP?
On 22 Feb 2025 at 08:44:03 GMT, "RJH" <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
On 22 Feb 2025 at 08:03:25 GMT, TimS wrote:
On 22 Feb 2025 at 07:27:52 GMT, "Andy H" <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote: >>>
I just find it amazing that our thick government have succeeded in removing
a key reason why people choose a company such as Apple. As far as I’m >>>> concerned, this is bullshit, and they obviously have no idea about the >>>> real world.
Having listened to various radio reports, nobody's answered the question: why
didn't Apple refuse to capitulate? In much the same way as they refused FBI >> access a few years ago.
Some of us did try to warn about that ahead of time, but it seems not enough
people took any notice.
It seems most people don't know or care - according to some expert on R4.
For myself, I'm not sure how to challenge the decision. Stiff letter to my MP?
I don't use ADP nor do the majority of Apple users. Will writing to one's MP actually make any difference? With a 400+ majority I can't see the government backing down.
Notice, I don't mention Mr. Blair's little story.
On 22 Feb 2025 at 08:44:03 GMT, "RJH" <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
On 22 Feb 2025 at 08:03:25 GMT, TimS wrote:
On 22 Feb 2025 at 07:27:52 GMT, "Andy H" <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote: >>>
I just find it amazing that our thick government have succeeded in removing
a key reason why people choose a company such as Apple. As far as I’m >>>> concerned, this is bullshit, and they obviously have no idea about the >>>> real world.
Having listened to various radio reports, nobody's answered the question: why
didn't Apple refuse to capitulate? In much the same way as they refused FBI >> access a few years ago.
Some of us did try to warn about that ahead of time, but it seems not enough
people took any notice.
It seems most people don't know or care - according to some expert on R4.
For myself, I'm not sure how to challenge the decision. Stiff letter to my MP?
I don't use ADP nor do the majority of Apple users. Will writing to one's MP actually make any difference? With a 400+ majority I can't see the government backing down.
RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
On 22 Feb 2025 at 08:03:25 GMT, TimS wrote:
It seems most people don't know or care - according to some expert on R4.
For myself, I'm not sure how to challenge the decision. Stiff letter to my MP?
That does seem to be the only option.
On 22 Feb 2025 at 18:36:29 GMT, "Chris Ridd" <chrisridd@mac.com> wrote:
On 22/02/2025 09:04, Chris wrote:
RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
On 22 Feb 2025 at 08:03:25 GMT, TimS wrote:
It seems most people don't know or care - according to some expert on R4. >>>>
For myself, I'm not sure how to challenge the decision. Stiff letter to my MP?
That does seem to be the only option.
Certainly try, but I did it last time and got the proverbial finger from
my (now ex) MP.
My previous MP (from the twat party) I wrote to once to thank him for
voting against some horrible invasion of privacy bill. He wrote back to
say "yes, it didn't go far enough".
He got punted at the last election, thankfully.
On 22/02/2025 09:04, Chris wrote:
RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
On 22 Feb 2025 at 08:03:25 GMT, TimS wrote:
It seems most people don't know or care - according to some expert on R4. >>>
For myself, I'm not sure how to challenge the decision. Stiff letter to my MP?
That does seem to be the only option.
Certainly try, but I did it last time and got the proverbial finger from
my (now ex) MP.
Frederick <fred@ypical.demon.invalid> wrote:
In message <1r7x4ux.ci3spb1ibii6lN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>
liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
Frederick <fred@ypical.demon.invalid> wrote:
Given current USA politics and the UK government's demands for access, >>>> is now a good time to remove one's data and cease the use of iCloud?
I know of other groups, who would have nothing to hide from a reasonable >>> government, who are now recommending that their members stop using
certain American media sites.
Here we go...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgj54eq4vejo
So it’s happened then!
Now what?
Well, it’s not actually a feature I had utilised, yet! However, I feel this is just the start of a journey down a deep and complex rabbit hole.
OK, so so the knee jerk reaction is to ditch iCloud and move to another
cloud service. But surely that’s not going to fix anything. This ruling will apply to any cloud service that offers end to end encryption. Wouldn’t it? If not, then it just proves that our government has a vendetta against Apple as a company. I certainly don’t think trusting in Google or M$ is much of a solution either (perhaps the only alternatives that might be able to replace the services I currently need).
I don’t know what the answer is, I have nothing to hide, but I also value my privacy and security as an individual. I don’t post photos, or much else, on social media platforms anymore - some specialist forums I do use from time to time, but my FB usage is very rare, and limited to the occasional ‘like’ or comment - I have no other social media accounts.
I prefer to be selective about what I share with the world, because I am a private person. I also have a distrust in the abilities and intentions of those in power, and big corporations whose main agenda is to keep their coffers full, and share holders happy.
Of course I appreciate Apple are one of those, but I have to go with something, and for my money, and the services I do want to use, I think
Apple offer the lesser of all the evils out there (based on 30 years as a customer).
I just find it amazing that our thick government have succeeded in removing
a key reason why people choose a company such as Apple. As far as I’m concerned, this is bullshit, and they obviously have no idea about the
real world.
Perhaps I’ll just roll back a few years, and get an Atari ST again, and a Nokia 3310 (I actually still have a Nokia 1100 in a drawer somewhere) ;-).
On 22 Feb 2025 at 08:44:03 GMT, "RJH" <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
Having listened to various radio reports, nobody's answered the question: why
didn't Apple refuse to capitulate?
Mostly as Chris said. Plus I'm not really keen on tech companies
whimsically disobeying national laws (even though in this case the law
is absolutely fucking stupid).
In much the same way as they refused FBI
access a few years ago.
Completely different situation tech-wise and legally.
For myself, I'm not sure how to challenge the decision. Stiff letter to my MP?
Yes.
Also the point that almost no-one *used* ADP since it's not a default is illuminating... if you didn't have it enabled already, why freak out
that it's no longer allowed?
I do roll my eyes when "Apple is legally required to disable optional
feature that few use" gets so many headlines and handwringing, when
"Google is already actively violating privacy laws and sells all your
usage data" doesn't. https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/googles-new-policy-tracks-all-your-devices-with-no-opt-out/
On 22/02/2025 08:03, TimS wrote:
We knew this Labour Government would be inept ...
We didn't expect them to be this inept ...
We didn't expect them to be this inept, this soon.
James Cleverly, 10th Feb 2025
I'm always impressed when anyone can find something good to say about
James [not very] Cleverly
On 23/02/2025 11:29, David Kennedy wrote:
On 22/02/2025 08:03, TimS wrote:
We knew this Labour Government would be inept ...
We didn't expect them to be this inept ...
We didn't expect them to be this inept, this soon.
James Cleverly, 10th Feb 2025
I'm always impressed when anyone can find something good to say about
James [not very] Cleverly
Somebody must have wrote that for him.
On 23/02/2025 11:29, David Kennedy wrote:
On 22/02/2025 08:03, TimS wrote:
We knew this Labour Government would be inept ...
We didn't expect them to be this inept ...
We didn't expect them to be this inept, this soon.
James Cleverly, 10th Feb 2025
I'm always impressed when anyone can find something good to say about
James [not very] Cleverly
Somebody must have wrote that for him.
In message <1r7x4ux.ci3spb1ibii6lN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>
liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
Frederick <fred@ypical.demon.invalid> wrote:
Given current USA politics and the UK government's demands for access,
is now a good time to remove one's data and cease the use of iCloud?
I know of other groups, who would have nothing to hide from a reasonable government, who are now recommending that their members stop using
certain American media sites.
Here we go...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgj54eq4vejo
Frederick <fred@ypical.demon.invalid> wrote:
Given current USA politics and the UK government's demands for access, is
now a good time to remove one's data and cease the use of iCloud?
I know of other groups, who would have nothing to hide from a reasonable government, who are now recommending that their members stop using
certain American media sites.
Frederick <fred@ypical.demon.invalid> wrote:
In message <1r7x4ux.ci3spb1ibii6lN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>
liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
Frederick <fred@ypical.demon.invalid> wrote:
Given current USA politics and the UK government's demands for access, >>>> is now a good time to remove one's data and cease the use of iCloud?
I know of other groups, who would have nothing to hide from a reasonable >>> government, who are now recommending that their members stop using
certain American media sites.
Here we go...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgj54eq4vejo
So it’s happened then!
Now what?
Well, it’s not actually a feature I had utilised, yet! However, I feel this is just the start of a journey down a deep and complex rabbit hole.
OK, so so the knee jerk reaction is to ditch iCloud and move to another
cloud service. But surely that’s not going to fix anything. This ruling will apply to any cloud service that offers end to end encryption. Wouldn’t it? If not, then it just proves that our government has a vendetta against Apple as a company. I certainly don’t think trusting in Google or M$ is much of a solution either (perhaps the only alternatives that might be able to replace the services I currently need).
I use it outside of the UK since it exists. Appl's reaction is the only
way they could go.
The alarm bells are ringing extremely loud. It sets a precedent for
other Gestapo-style governments in the anglosaxon world namely NZ and AU.
On 25/02/2025 16:56, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
I use it outside of the UK since it exists. Appl's reaction is the only
way they could go.
The alarm bells are ringing extremely loud. It sets a precedent for
other Gestapo-style governments in the anglosaxon world namely NZ and AU.
It also only takes *one* of the Five Eyes countries to get Apple to
implement this, and then all the 4 just make an internal request to get
the data for their Person Of Interest.
I wonder which other services have received the same order. It won't
just be Apple, though maybe they got the honour of being first, it'll realistically be Google, Samsung (assuming they differ from Android),
maybe MS, and obviously the Signal/Telegram/Whatsapp mobs.
On 5 Mar 2025 at 5:46:39 am GMT, "Chris Ridd" <chrisridd@mac.com> wrote:
On 25/02/2025 16:56, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
I use it outside of the UK since it exists. Appl's reaction is the onlyIt also only takes *one* of the Five Eyes countries <snip>
way they could go.
The alarm bells are ringing extremely loud. It sets a precedent for
other Gestapo-style governments in the anglosaxon world namely NZ and AU. >>
Soon to be Four Eyes.
On 05/03/2025 10:09, Mark wrote:
On 5 Mar 2025 at 5:46:39 am GMT, "Chris Ridd" <chrisridd@mac.com> wrote:
On 25/02/2025 16:56, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
I use it outside of the UK since it exists. Appl's reaction is the only >>> way they could go.It also only takes *one* of the Five Eyes countries <snip>
The alarm bells are ringing extremely loud. It sets a precedent for
other Gestapo-style governments in the anglosaxon world namely NZ and AU. >>
Soon to be Four Eyes.
Maybe. I doubt they'd fully burn down what they've cultivated over
almost 100 years, whatever is said publicly by a big mouthed orange
convicted criminal.
On 05/03/2025 10:09, Mark wrote:
On 5 Mar 2025 at 5:46:39 am GMT, "Chris Ridd" <chrisridd@mac.com> wrote:
On 25/02/2025 16:56, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
I use it outside of the UK since it exists. Appl's reaction is the only >>>> way they could go.
The alarm bells are ringing extremely loud. It sets a precedent for
other Gestapo-style governments in the anglosaxon world namely NZ
and AU.
It also only takes *one* of the Five Eyes countries <snip>
Soon to be Four Eyes.
Maybe. I doubt they'd fully burn down what they've cultivated over
almost 100 years, whatever is said publicly by a big mouthed orange
convicted criminal.
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