• Your iCloud storage is full

    From D.M. Procida@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 8 16:21:54 2025
    ... says Photos, and it has not synced the latest items to iCloud.

    The Manage Storage link it offers does nothing.

    Settings > iCloud shows 93.9 of 200 GB Used.

    In the iCloud+ Features section, Manage Plan shows 200 GB. Until I click on
    it, and then it says that's it's on the free 5 GB plan.

    https://www.icloud.com/storage/ says: "50 GB!"

    WTF Apple.

    Daniele

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  • From John Hill@21:1/5 to daniele-at-vurt-dot-org@invalid.com on Sun Mar 9 08:25:57 2025
    On 8 Mar 2025 at 16:21:54 GMT, "D.M. Procida" <daniele-at-vurt-dot-org@invalid.com> wrote:

    ... says Photos, and it has not synced the latest items to iCloud.

    The Manage Storage link it offers does nothing.

    Settings > iCloud shows 93.9 of 200 GB Used.

    In the iCloud+ Features section, Manage Plan shows 200 GB. Until I click on it, and then it says that's it's on the free 5 GB plan.

    https://www.icloud.com/storage/ says: "50 GB!"

    WTF Apple.

    And do you in fact pay for 200GB, 50GB or what? Your Apple account will be proof.

    Old John.
    --
    An infinitely complex system can fail in an infinite number of ways.

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  • From D.M. Procida@21:1/5 to daniele-at-vurt-dot-org@invalid.com on Sun Mar 9 15:35:47 2025
    On 8 Mar 2025 at 17:21:54 CET, "D.M. Procida" <daniele-at-vurt-dot-org@invalid.com> wrote:

    ... says Photos, and it has not synced the latest items to iCloud.

    The Manage Storage link it offers does nothing.

    Settings > iCloud shows 93.9 of 200 GB Used.

    In the iCloud+ Features section, Manage Plan shows 200 GB. Until I click on it, and then it says that's it's on the free 5 GB plan.

    https://www.icloud.com/storage/ says: "50 GB!"

    WTF Apple.

    Eventuallly I got in touch with Apple support, and after a little wander through the iCloud settings toggling things on and off, order was restored.
    But really, settings within settings within settings, it's a wonder even its designers understand it any longer.

    Daniele

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to D.M. Procida on Sun Mar 9 16:43:42 2025
    On 09.03.25 16:35, D.M. Procida wrote:
    On 8 Mar 2025 at 17:21:54 CET, "D.M. Procida" <daniele-at-vurt-dot-org@invalid.com> wrote:

    ... says Photos, and it has not synced the latest items to iCloud.

    The Manage Storage link it offers does nothing.

    Settings > iCloud shows 93.9 of 200 GB Used.

    In the iCloud+ Features section, Manage Plan shows 200 GB. Until I click on >> it, and then it says that's it's on the free 5 GB plan.

    https://www.icloud.com/storage/ says: "50 GB!"

    WTF Apple.

    Eventuallly I got in touch with Apple support, and after a little wander through the iCloud settings toggling things on and off, order was restored. But really, settings within settings within settings, it's a wonder even its designers understand it any longer.

    No! The logic is always the same. Apple has very stringent design rules.
    That is the biggest and most pleasant advantage of iOS/macOS over
    Android and chaotic crap like Windows.


    --
    "Gutta cavat lapidem." (Ovid)

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  • From Richard Tobin@21:1/5 to hugybear@gmx.net on Sun Mar 9 15:47:31 2025
    In article <vqkcve$18j8q$3@solani.org>, Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:

    Eventuallly I got in touch with Apple support, and after a little wander
    through the iCloud settings toggling things on and off, order was restored. >> But really, settings within settings within settings, it's a wonder even its >> designers understand it any longer.

    No! The logic is always the same. Apple has very stringent design rules.
    That is the biggest and most pleasant advantage of iOS/macOS over
    Android and chaotic crap like Windows.

    Asserting that it's pleasant to someone who has just had an unpleasant experience is willful blindness.

    -- Richard

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to Richard Tobin on Sun Mar 9 16:59:53 2025
    On 09.03.25 16:47, Richard Tobin wrote:
    In article <vqkcve$18j8q$3@solani.org>, Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:

    Eventuallly I got in touch with Apple support, and after a little wander >>> through the iCloud settings toggling things on and off, order was restored. >>> But really, settings within settings within settings, it's a wonder even its
    designers understand it any longer.

    No! The logic is always the same. Apple has very stringent design rules.
    That is the biggest and most pleasant advantage of iOS/macOS over
    Android and chaotic crap like Windows.

    Asserting that it's pleasant to someone who has just had an unpleasant experience is willful blindness.

    The failure of one person does not put a proven system for hundreds of
    millions of users into question.

    And in the first place: I did not say it was a pleasant experience for
    the OP. Stick to the truth.

    --
    "Roma locuta, causa finita." (Augustinus)

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  • From TimH@21:1/5 to daniele-at-vurt-dot-org@invalid.com on Sun Mar 9 16:04:48 2025
    On 9 Mar 2025 at 3:35:47 pm GMT, "D.M. Procida" <daniele-at-vurt-dot-org@invalid.com> wrote:

    But really, settings within settings within settings, it's a wonder even its designers understand it any longer.

    <minor rant>
    Earlier today, someone asked me how to put the sound settings into the menu
    bar - they'd disappeared in an update. Look in Sound settings, I said confidently. Oh no, too obvious. It's in Control Centre settings. Not helpful if you've never used Control Centre.

    Since they reorganised Settings, I'm finding, more often than not, that I have to use search to get to a setting. Sometimes it does feel as though the
    current UI designers have never used a Mac, or even acquainted themselves with the principle of least surprise.
    </minor rant>
    --
    TimH
    pull tooth to reply by email

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  • From Jaimie Vandenbergh@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 9 20:57:57 2025
    On 9 Mar 2025 at 15:47:31 GMT, "Richard Tobin" <Richard Tobin> wrote:

    In article <vqkcve$18j8q$3@solani.org>, Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:

    Eventuallly I got in touch with Apple support, and after a little wander >>> through the iCloud settings toggling things on and off, order was restored. >>> But really, settings within settings within settings, it's a wonder even its
    designers understand it any longer.

    No! The logic is always the same. Apple has very stringent design rules.
    That is the biggest and most pleasant advantage of iOS/macOS over
    Android and chaotic crap like Windows.

    Asserting that it's pleasant to someone who has just had an unpleasant experience is willful blindness.

    -- Richard

    It's also not currently true. Some of the most useful settings in
    Settings are under the (i) links, for example. This is madness, they
    should only ever be 'tooltips' style info not access to another deeper
    panel of settings.

    The Apple Style Guide as it was in the mid 2000s is long, long dead and
    they just make shit up now.

    And every time I go look at Windows, I'm still horrified that somehow
    that is *even worse*

    Cheers - Jaimie
    --
    All the things I really like to do are either illegal, immoral, or fattening.
    - Alexander Woollcott

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  • From Jaimie Vandenbergh@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 9 20:55:59 2025
    On 9 Mar 2025 at 16:04:48 GMT, "TimH" <thnews@poboxmolar.com.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 9 Mar 2025 at 3:35:47 pm GMT, "D.M. Procida" <daniele-at-vurt-dot-org@invalid.com> wrote:

    But really, settings within settings within settings, it's a wonder even its >> designers understand it any longer.

    <minor rant>
    Earlier today, someone asked me how to put the sound settings into the menu bar - they'd disappeared in an update. Look in Sound settings, I said confidently. Oh no, too obvious. It's in Control Centre settings. Not helpful if you've never used Control Centre.

    Since they reorganised Settings, I'm finding, more often than not, that I have
    to use search to get to a setting. Sometimes it does feel as though the current UI designers have never used a Mac, or even acquainted themselves with
    the principle of least surprise.
    </minor rant>

    Don't ever be tempted to get into macOS betas - the searchbar data for
    Settings is one of the last things to be indexed and put in place, so
    you can never find fucking anything.

    Honestly, whoever does the design+management of Settings needs to be put
    in charge of making tea or something instead of software. Utter
    shambles.

    Cheers - Jaimie
    --
    [Chlorine trifluoride] is also hypergolic with such things as
    cloth, wood, and test engineers, not to mention asbestos,
    sand, and water -- with which it reacts explosively.
    - "Ignition! An Informal History of Liquid Rocket Propellants", J D Clarke

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  • From TimS@21:1/5 to jaimie@usually.sessile.org on Sun Mar 9 21:38:47 2025
    On 9 Mar 2025 at 20:57:57 GMT, "Jaimie Vandenbergh" <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:

    The Apple Style Guide as it was in the mid 2000s is long, long dead and
    they just make shit up now.

    And every time I go look at Windows, I'm still horrified that somehow
    that is *even worse*

    Precisely my opinion too. About macOS and Windows.

    --
    Tim

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  • From John Hill@21:1/5 to daniele-at-vurt-dot-org@invalid.com on Mon Mar 10 07:30:03 2025
    On 9 Mar 2025 at 15:35:47 GMT, "D.M. Procida" <daniele-at-vurt-dot-org@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 8 Mar 2025 at 17:21:54 CET, "D.M. Procida" <daniele-at-vurt-dot-org@invalid.com> wrote:

    ... says Photos, and it has not synced the latest items to iCloud.

    The Manage Storage link it offers does nothing.

    Settings > iCloud shows 93.9 of 200 GB Used.

    In the iCloud+ Features section, Manage Plan shows 200 GB. Until I click on >> it, and then it says that's it's on the free 5 GB plan.

    https://www.icloud.com/storage/ says: "50 GB!"

    WTF Apple.

    Eventuallly I got in touch with Apple support, and after a little wander through the iCloud settings toggling things on and off, order was restored. But really, settings within settings within settings, it's a wonder even its designers understand it any longer.

    Whatever makes you think they do?

    Old John.

    --
    God made the integers. All else is the work of man.

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to John Hill on Mon Mar 10 12:03:50 2025
    On 10.03.25 08:30, John Hill wrote:
    On 9 Mar 2025 at 15:35:47 GMT, "D.M. Procida" <daniele-at-vurt-dot-org@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 8 Mar 2025 at 17:21:54 CET, "D.M. Procida"
    <daniele-at-vurt-dot-org@invalid.com> wrote:

    ... says Photos, and it has not synced the latest items to iCloud.

    The Manage Storage link it offers does nothing.

    Settings > iCloud shows 93.9 of 200 GB Used.

    In the iCloud+ Features section, Manage Plan shows 200 GB. Until I click on >>> it, and then it says that's it's on the free 5 GB plan.

    https://www.icloud.com/storage/ says: "50 GB!"

    WTF Apple.

    Eventuallly I got in touch with Apple support, and after a little wander
    through the iCloud settings toggling things on and off, order was restored. >> But really, settings within settings within settings, it's a wonder even its >> designers understand it any longer.

    Whatever makes you think they do?

    What makes you think the opposite?

    --
    "Gutta cavat lapidem." (Ovid)

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  • From D.M. Procida@21:1/5 to John Hill on Mon Mar 10 12:15:28 2025
    On 10 Mar 2025 at 08:30:03 CET, "John Hill" <watcombeman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

    Eventuallly I got in touch with Apple support, and after a little wander
    through the iCloud settings toggling things on and off, order was restored. >> But really, settings within settings within settings, it's a wonder even its >> designers understand it any longer.

    Whatever makes you think they do?

    Good point.

    I think they must be randomly adding features, controls and behaviours for the users to toggle and adjust, also randomly. It worked for evolution, over millions of years, perhaps it's the new paradigm in software development?

    Daniele

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  • From Graham J@21:1/5 to D.M. Procida on Mon Mar 10 16:52:42 2025
    D.M. Procida wrote:

    [snip]


    I think they must be randomly adding features, controls and behaviours for the
    users to toggle and adjust, also randomly. It worked for evolution, over millions of years, perhaps it's the new paradigm in software development?

    But evolution weeds out features that do not improve survival, so
    evolved organisms are usually pretty efficient!


    --
    Graham J

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  • From Graeme Wall@21:1/5 to Graham J on Mon Mar 10 21:50:55 2025
    On 10/03/2025 16:52, Graham J wrote:
    D.M. Procida wrote:

    [snip]


    I think they must be randomly adding features, controls and behaviours
    for the
    users to toggle and adjust, also randomly. It worked for evolution, over
    millions of years, perhaps it's the new paradigm in software development?

    But evolution weeds out features that do not improve survival, so
    evolved organisms are usually pretty efficient!



    But it does take millions of generations…
    --
    Graeme Wall
    This account not read.

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