• Maybe a useful tool?

    From John Hill@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 22 07:20:57 2025
    My daughter asked me the other day if I knew how to type 3/16 as a fraction. IApparantly she had been asked by an uncle, who wanted to to this but it is pretty computer illiterate.

    I did not know, but she searched around and found this neat gizmo:

    https://lights0123.com/fractions/

    which enabled her to produce ³⁄₁₆

    I thought that someone might find it useful. You never know.

    Old John.
    --
    God made the integers. All else is the work of man.

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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to snipeco.2@gmail.com on Tue Apr 22 11:52:08 2025
    Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:
    John Hill <watcombeman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

    My daughter asked me the other day if I knew how to type 3/16 as a fraction. >> IApparantly she had been asked by an uncle, who wanted to to this but it is >> pretty computer illiterate.

    I did not know, but she searched around and found this neat gizmo:

    https://lights0123.com/fractions/

    which enabled her to produce ?⁄??

    I thought that someone might find it useful. You never know.

    Old John.
    --
    God made the integers. All else is the work of man.


    Your .sig is quite apposite!

    Regrettably, what your gizmo produces is illegible here. It's
    interesting though and I expect it will be useful for those who
    can render Unicode (which MacSOUP can't).

    Just entered 5/7 and is visible in NewsTap - see immediately below

    ⁵⁄₇

    I think I’ll stick with good decimal fractions, i. e. 0.517 to 3 decimal places.

    --
    Cheers, Alan

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to Alan B on Tue Apr 22 16:14:51 2025
    On 22.04.25 13:52, Alan B wrote:
    Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:
    John Hill <watcombeman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

    My daughter asked me the other day if I knew how to type 3/16 as a fraction.
    IApparantly she had been asked by an uncle, who wanted to to this but it is >>> pretty computer illiterate.

    I did not know, but she searched around and found this neat gizmo:

    https://lights0123.com/fractions/

    which enabled her to produce ?⁄??

    I thought that someone might find it useful. You never know.

    Old John.
    --
    God made the integers. All else is the work of man.


    Your .sig is quite apposite!

    Regrettably, what your gizmo produces is illegible here. It's
    interesting though and I expect it will be useful for those who
    can render Unicode (which MacSOUP can't).

    Just entered 5/7 and is visible in NewsTap - see immediately below

    ⁵⁄₇

    Only Anglosaxons can live with such a muck.

    I think I’ll stick with good decimal fractions, i. e. 0.517 to 3 decimal places.

    +1; I also like it decimal and metric.

    --
    "De gustibus non est disputandum."

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  • From David@21:1/5 to John Hill on Wed Apr 23 08:58:08 2025
    On 22/04/2025 08:20, John Hill wrote:
    My daughter asked me the other day if I knew how to type 3/16 as a fraction. IApparantly she had been asked by an uncle, who wanted to to this but it is pretty computer illiterate.

    I did not know, but she searched around and found this neat gizmo:

    https://lights0123.com/fractions/

    which enabled her to produce ³⁄₁₆

    I thought that someone might find it useful. You never know.

    Thank you, Old John. 🙂

    I asked a question here (With my posting name of Brawdy14 - my callsign
    when flying Hawker Hunters in 1968!).

    https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/will-someone-please-check-for-me.2350912/

    Would YOU have known the answers?

    --
    David

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  • From David@21:1/5 to David on Wed Apr 23 09:45:13 2025
    On 23/04/2025 08:58, David wrote:
    in 1968!

    Oops! It was actually 1969!

    In 1968 I was flying Jet Provosts with the RAF at Linton-on-Ouse, near York.

    Apologies for that error.

    --
    David

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to David Kennedy on Wed Apr 23 15:17:05 2025
    On 23.04.25 11:48, David Kennedy wrote:
    On 22/04/2025 15:14, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
    On 22.04.25 13:52, Alan B wrote:
    Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:
    John Hill <watcombeman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

    My daughter asked me the other day if I knew how to type 3/16 as a fraction.
    IApparantly she had been asked by an uncle, who wanted to to this but it is
    pretty computer illiterate.

    I did not know, but she searched around and found this neat gizmo:

    https://lights0123.com/fractions/

    which enabled her to produce ?⁄??

    I thought that someone might find it useful. You never know.

    Old John.
    --
    God made the integers. All else is the work of man.


    Your .sig is quite apposite!

    Regrettably, what your gizmo produces is illegible here. It's
    interesting though and I expect it will be useful for those who
    can render Unicode (which MacSOUP can't).

    Just entered 5/7 and is visible in NewsTap - see immediately below

    ⁵⁄₇

    Only Anglosaxons can live with such a muck.

    How would you categorise yourself then? No European ancestry?

    I am a European and live in Europe 0.71428571.

    --
    "Roma locuta, causa finita" (Augustinus)

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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to David Kennedy on Wed Apr 23 18:10:07 2025
    On 2025-04-23, David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 23/04/2025 14:17, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
    On 23.04.25 11:48, David Kennedy wrote:
    On 22/04/2025 15:14, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
    On 22.04.25 13:52, Alan B wrote:
    Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:
    John Hill <watcombeman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

    My daughter asked me the other day if I knew how to type 3/16 as a >>>>>>> fraction.
    IApparantly she had been asked by an uncle, who wanted to to this but it is
    pretty computer illiterate.

    I did not know, but she searched around and found this neat gizmo: >>>>>>>
    https://lights0123.com/fractions/

    which enabled her to produce ?⁄??

    I thought that someone might find it useful. You never know.

    Old John.
    --
    God made the integers. All else is the work of man.


    Your .sig is quite apposite!

    Regrettably, what your gizmo produces is illegible here.  It's
    interesting though and I expect it will be useful for those who
    can render Unicode (which MacSOUP can't).

    Just entered 5/7 and is visible in NewsTap - see immediately below

    ⁵⁄₇

    Only Anglosaxons can live with such a muck.

    How would you categorise yourself then? No European ancestry?

    I am a European and live in Europe 0.71428571.

    Then I suspect - unless your ancestors lead a particularly sheltered life - you also contain a portion of Angles and/or Saxons, not to mention the Scandinavians in their various guises...

    (you might have missed out on the French but no guarantee)

    Tracing one's possible ancestors is interesting stuff. My brother has been doing some research on and off for some years. It seems we have some French connections ;-) plus possible Romany too.

    --
    Cheers, Alan

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  • From J. J. Lodder@21:1/5 to John Hill on Wed Apr 23 20:56:38 2025
    John Hill <watcombeman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

    My daughter asked me the other day if I knew how to type 3/16 as a fraction. IApparantly she had been asked by an uncle, who wanted to to this but it is pretty computer illiterate.

    I did not know, but she searched around and found this neat gizmo:

    https://lights0123.com/fractions/

    which enabled her to produce ?/??

    I thought that someone might find it useful. You never know.

    Usenet should be conducted in ASCII and nothing but ASCII,

    Jan

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  • From David@21:1/5 to J. J. Lodder on Wed Apr 23 20:54:20 2025
    On 23/04/2025 19:56, J. J. Lodder wrote:
    John Hill <watcombeman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

    My daughter asked me the other day if I knew how to type 3/16 as a fraction. >> IApparantly she had been asked by an uncle, who wanted to to this but it is >> pretty computer illiterate.

    I did not know, but she searched around and found this neat gizmo:

    https://lights0123.com/fractions/

    which enabled her to produce ?/??

    I thought that someone might find it useful. You never know.

    Usenet should be conducted in ASCII and nothing but ASCII,

    Hello Jan

    I ½ believe you! ;-)

    (With thanks to Old John)

    --
    David

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  • From TimS@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 23 19:58:44 2025
    On 23 Apr 2025 at 19:56:38 BST, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote:

    John Hill <watcombeman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

    My daughter asked me the other day if I knew how to type 3/16 as a fraction. >> IApparantly she had been asked by an uncle, who wanted to to this but it is >> pretty computer illiterate.

    I did not know, but she searched around and found this neat gizmo:

    https://lights0123.com/fractions/

    which enabled her to produce ?/??

    I thought that someone might find it useful. You never know.

    Usenet should be conducted in ASCII and nothing but ASCII,

    Usenet should be conducted in UTF-8 and nothing but UTF-8.

    --
    Tim

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  • From John Hill@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 24 00:09:08 2025
    On 23 Apr 2025 at 21:07:21 BST, "Sn!pe" <Sn!pe> wrote:

    TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:

    On 23 Apr 2025 at 19:56:38 BST, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote:

    John Hill <watcombeman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

    My daughter asked me the other day if I knew how to type 3/16 as a
    fraction. IApparantly she had been asked by an uncle, who wanted to to >>>> this but it is pretty computer illiterate.

    I did not know, but she searched around and found this neat gizmo:

    https://lights0123.com/fractions/

    which enabled her to produce ?/??

    I thought that someone might find it useful. You never know.

    Usenet should be conducted in ASCII and nothing but ASCII,

    Usenet should be conducted in UTF-8 and nothing but UTF-8.

    ASCII. (2 penn'orth)

    Isn't that a bit like saying "Legal affairs should be conducted in Latin and nothing but Latin"?
    --
    Classic computing: Computers do what you tell them to do,
    not what you want them to do.
    Modern computing: Computers do what they want to do,
    no matter what you tell them to do.

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  • From John Hill@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 24 00:04:36 2025
    On 23 Apr 2025 at 19:10:07 BST, "Alan B" <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

    On 2025-04-23, David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 23/04/2025 14:17, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
    On 23.04.25 11:48, David Kennedy wrote:
    On 22/04/2025 15:14, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
    On 22.04.25 13:52, Alan B wrote:
    Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:
    John Hill <watcombeman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

    My daughter asked me the other day if I knew how to type 3/16 as a >>>>>>>> fraction.
    IApparantly she had been asked by an uncle, who wanted to to this but it is
    pretty computer illiterate.

    I did not know, but she searched around and found this neat gizmo: >>>>>>>>
    https://lights0123.com/fractions/

    which enabled her to produce ?⁄??

    I thought that someone might find it useful. You never know.

    Old John.
    --
    God made the integers. All else is the work of man.


    Your .sig is quite apposite!

    Regrettably, what your gizmo produces is illegible here. It's
    interesting though and I expect it will be useful for those who
    can render Unicode (which MacSOUP can't).

    Just entered 5/7 and is visible in NewsTap - see immediately below >>>>>>
    ⁵⁄₇

    Only Anglosaxons can live with such a muck.

    How would you categorise yourself then? No European ancestry?

    I am a European and live in Europe 0.71428571.

    Then I suspect - unless your ancestors lead a particularly sheltered life - >> you also contain a portion of Angles and/or Saxons, not to mention the
    Scandinavians in their various guises...

    (you might have missed out on the French but no guarantee)

    Tracing one's possible ancestors is interesting stuff. My brother has been doing some research on and off for some years. It seems we have some French connections ;-) plus possible Romany too.

    It's a fascinating hobby. Anne and I borh spent some time on it, each on our own families. In fact it was to pursue it that Anne first got a computer.

    Eventually we ran out of material.

    Old John.
    --
    Classic computing: Computers do what you tell them to do,
    not what you want them to do.
    Modern computing: Computers do what they want to do,
    no matter what you tell them to do.

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  • From Bernd Froehlich@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 24 06:55:04 2025
    On 23. Apr 2025 at 20:56:38 CEST, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote:

    Usenet should be conducted in ASCII and nothing but ASCII

    Well, there is "should" and then there is "reality".

    (I feel your pain though. My hobbyhorse is: EMail should be plaintext and nothing but plaintext. But, well, "reality".)

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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to Bernd Froehlich on Thu Apr 24 07:38:16 2025
    Bernd Froehlich <befr@eaglesoft.de> wrote:
    On 23. Apr 2025 at 20:56:38 CEST, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote:

    Usenet should be conducted in ASCII and nothing but ASCII

    Well, there is "should" and then there is "reality".

    (I feel your pain though. My hobbyhorse is: EMail should be plaintext and nothing but plaintext. But, well, "reality".)

    I've always tried to use ASCII for both emails and Usenet more out of habit than conviction. I must look up what the RFCs have to say (or not?) on this matter.

    --
    Cheers, Alan

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  • From David@21:1/5 to Bernd Froehlich on Thu Apr 24 08:31:34 2025
    On 24/04/2025 07:55, Bernd Froehlich wrote:
    On 23. Apr 2025 at 20:56:38 CEST, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote:

    Usenet should be conducted in ASCII and nothing but ASCII

    Well, there is "should" and then there is "reality".

    (I feel your pain though. My hobbyhorse is: EMail should be plaintext and nothing but plaintext. But, well, "reality".)

    Our navy once used semaphore, light signals and Morse code.

    In actual fact, it still does so - sometimes! ;-)

    A sight to behold:- https://www.youtube.com/shorts/vv4n9SQVpDw

    --
    David

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  • From John Hill@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 24 07:46:07 2025
    On 24 Apr 2025 at 01:46:09 BST, "Sn!pe" <Sn!pe> wrote:

    John Hill <watcombeman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

    On 23 Apr 2025 at 21:07:21 BST, "Sn!pe" <Sn!pe> wrote:

    TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:

    On 23 Apr 2025 at 19:56:38 BST, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote:

    John Hill <watcombeman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

    My daughter asked me the other day if I knew how to type 3/16 as a >>>>>> fraction. IApparantly she had been asked by an uncle, who wanted to to >>>>>> this but it is pretty computer illiterate.

    I did not know, but she searched around and found this neat gizmo: >>>>>>
    https://lights0123.com/fractions/

    which enabled her to produce ?/??

    I thought that someone might find it useful. You never know.

    Usenet should be conducted in ASCII and nothing but ASCII,

    Usenet should be conducted in UTF-8 and nothing but UTF-8.

    ASCII. (2 penn'orth)

    Isn't that a bit like saying "Legal affairs should be conducted in Latin and >> nothing but Latin"?

    IMO, no. It's about compatability with existing standards
    and software that relies on adherence to those standards.

    Off Usenet: the fractions in Unicode gizmo looks like a useful tool.
    On (ancient) Usenet: no thanks, it's broken.

    Agreed. I have tried, and I cannot think of any situation in which I would
    want to use it on Usenet. In other places (except Numbers, Excel or similar, obviously), yes.

    Old John.
    --
    God makes power, Man makes engines.

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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to David Kennedy on Thu Apr 24 07:50:44 2025
    David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 24/04/2025 01:04, John Hill wrote:
    On 23 Apr 2025 at 19:10:07 BST, "Alan B" <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid>
    wrote:


    Tracing one's possible ancestors is interesting stuff. My brother has been >>> doing some research on and off for some years. It seems we have some French >>> connections ;-) plus possible Romany too.

    It's a fascinating hobby. Anne and I borh spent some time on it, each on our >> own families. In fact it was to pursue it that Anne first got a computer.

    Eventually we ran out of material.

    Old John.

    I came to a dead end with my grandfather. Although I know his place of birth etc. it was in County Mayo and as a lot of the records were destroyed during the troubles it would seem a visit would be the only way forward.

    My brother went on a trip to find where an ancestor was born. When he got there the area had been completely demolished and replaced by a large car park. And before you ask he wasn't looking for Richard III ;-)

    --
    Cheers, Alan

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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to David Kennedy on Thu Apr 24 07:52:22 2025
    David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 23/04/2025 19:10, Alan B wrote:

    Tracing one's possible ancestors is interesting stuff. My brother has been >> doing some research on and off for some years. It seems we have some French >> connections ;-) plus possible Romany too.

    Indeed it is. I recently discovered an Italian connection with a Royal tutor. (I always suspected that I was a little bit special) No cash to go with it though...

    Just keep doing EuroMillions ;-)

    --
    Cheers, Alan

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  • From John Hill@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 24 07:59:18 2025
    On 24 Apr 2025 at 08:40:05 BST, "David Kennedy" <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 24/04/2025 01:04, John Hill wrote:
    On 23 Apr 2025 at 19:10:07 BST, "Alan B" <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid>
    wrote:


    Tracing one's possible ancestors is interesting stuff. My brother has been >>> doing some research on and off for some years. It seems we have some French >>> connections ;-) plus possible Romany too.

    It's a fascinating hobby. Anne and I borh spent some time on it, each on our >> own families. In fact it was to pursue it that Anne first got a computer.

    Eventually we ran out of material.

    Old John.

    I came to a dead end with my grandfather. Although I know his place of birth etc. it was in County Mayo and as a lot of the records were destroyed during the troubles it would seem a visit would be the only way forward.

    It happens. My maternal grandmother's line comes to an abrupt halt at about 1790 when a Wesleyan chapel burnt down with all its records.

    Old John.
    --
    Classic computing: Computers do what you tell them to do,
    not what you want them to do.
    Modern computing: Computers do what they want to do,
    no matter what you tell them to do.

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  • From Liz Tuddenham@21:1/5 to Bernd Froehlich on Thu Apr 24 09:07:37 2025
    Bernd Froehlich <befr@eaglesoft.de> wrote:

    ... My hobbyhorse is: EMail should be plaintext and
    nothing but plaintext.

    Quite right!


    --
    ~ Liz Tuddenham ~
    (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
    www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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  • From RJH@21:1/5 to John Hill on Thu Apr 24 08:30:47 2025
    On 24 Apr 2025 at 08:46:07 BST, John Hill wrote:

    IMO, no. It's about compatability with existing standards
    and software that relies on adherence to those standards.

    Off Usenet: the fractions in Unicode gizmo looks like a useful tool.
    On (ancient) Usenet: no thanks, it's broken.

    Agreed. I have tried, and I cannot think of any situation in which I would want to use it on Usenet. In other places (except Numbers, Excel or similar, obviously), yes.

    Most have an equation editor built in - it's what I've used in the past. But that utility does space things nicely . . .

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  • From TimS@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 24 14:52:08 2025
    On 24 Apr 2025 at 08:38:16 BST, "Alan B" <Alan B> wrote:

    Bernd Froehlich <befr@eaglesoft.de> wrote:
    On 23. Apr 2025 at 20:56:38 CEST, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote:

    Usenet should be conducted in ASCII and nothing but ASCII

    Well, there is "should" and then there is "reality".

    (I feel your pain though. My hobbyhorse is: EMail should be plaintext and
    nothing but plaintext. But, well, "reality".)

    I've always tried to use ASCII for both emails and Usenet more out of habit than conviction. I must look up what the RFCs have to say (or not?) on this matter.

    Actually of course if you use just ASCII you are in fact using UTF-8.

    --
    Tim

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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to TimS on Thu Apr 24 15:17:07 2025
    TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
    On 24 Apr 2025 at 08:38:16 BST, "Alan B" <Alan B> wrote:

    Bernd Froehlich <befr@eaglesoft.de> wrote:
    On 23. Apr 2025 at 20:56:38 CEST, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote:

    Usenet should be conducted in ASCII and nothing but ASCII

    Well, there is "should" and then there is "reality".

    (I feel your pain though. My hobbyhorse is: EMail should be plaintext and >>> nothing but plaintext. But, well, "reality".)

    I've always tried to use ASCII for both emails and Usenet more out of habit >> than conviction. I must look up what the RFCs have to say (or not?) on this >> matter.

    Actually of course if you use just ASCII you are in fact using UTF-8.

    Well I mean the ASCII subset then (0-127).

    --
    Cheers, Alan

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