I'm running Sonoma.Latest on a 2018 Mini. Apple seems to imagine I want to update to Sequoia. Is there any good technical reason (e.g. bug fixes) to do so. I can live without the extra 8 emojis.

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On 28 Apr 2025 at 10:27:59 BST, "TimS" <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:

I'm running Sonoma.Latest on a 2018 Mini. Apple seems to imagine I want to update to Sequoia. Is there any good technical reason (e.g. bug fixes) to do so. I can live without the extra 8 emojis.

Ha - I'll be very interested in any replies!

For once I've leapfrogged you Tim: I've just installed Sequoia 15.4.1 on my "latest" iMac (2019) - the one to which I have been migrating, not without hiccups, from my "old" (2013, Mojave). I just completed that this morning.
And so I am blundering about, waiting to see what will happen.

I intend to continue using my "old" one as my working machine, and to make the final jump across when I'm ready (or forced to). Meanwhile I'll fiddle about with Sequoia as and when I find the time. I must say it _looks_ lovely, but that of course is trivia, which is based upon the Retina display.

So far: the System Settings -- as every Sequoia user that I've seen comment
has said -- "take some getting used to".
Must have been commissioned and designed by people who do every damn thing on their iPhone, and who regard desktops in the same way that we used to regard 3.5" disks in the 2000s.

John

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On 28/04/2025 13:41, TimS wrote:

On 28 Apr 2025 at 12:27:34 BST, "Chris" <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:

I'm running Sonoma.Latest on a 2018 Mini. Apple seems to imagine I want to >>> update to Sequoia. Is there any good technical reason (e.g. bug fixes) to do
so. I can live without the extra 8 emojis.

If you can, it's recommended to run the latest version. Sonoma isn't
getting all the updates Sequoia is including security-related ones.

But that's what they always say. If all that Sequoia gets me is a few more emojis, then why should I bother?

All is explained here, Tim:-

https://www.apple.com/uk/macos/macos-sequoia/

Please explore for yourself.

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On 28 Apr 2025 at 12:27:34 BST, "Chris" <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:

I'm running Sonoma.Latest on a 2018 Mini. Apple seems to imagine I want to >> update to Sequoia. Is there any good technical reason (e.g. bug fixes) to do >> so. I can live without the extra 8 emojis.

If you can, it's recommended to run the latest version. Sonoma isn't
getting all the updates Sequoia is including security-related ones.

But that's what they always say. If all that Sequoia gets me is a few more emojis, then why should I bother?

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Tim

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Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:

On 28 Apr 2025 at 12:27:34 BST, "Chris" <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:

I'm running Sonoma.Latest on a 2018 Mini. Apple seems to imagine I want to >>>> update to Sequoia. Is there any good technical reason (e.g. bug fixes) to do
so. I can live without the extra 8 emojis.

If you can, it's recommended to run the latest version. Sonoma isn't
getting all the updates Sequoia is including security-related ones.

But that's what they always say. If all that Sequoia gets me is a few more >> emojis, then why should I bother?

There's the security updates. Like I said.

The macOS xprotect system obviously still runs on Sonoma but will normally
only offer basic protection from malware. But if you’re careful and run 3rd party apps such as MalwareBytes, DetectX Swift you should be OK with
Sonoma.

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On 28 Apr 2025 at 14:39:09 BST, "Alan B" <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:

On 28 Apr 2025 at 12:27:34 BST, "Chris" <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:

I'm running Sonoma.Latest on a 2018 Mini. Apple seems to imagine I want to
update to Sequoia. Is there any good technical reason (e.g. bug fixes) to do
so. I can live without the extra 8 emojis.

If you can, it's recommended to run the latest version. Sonoma isn't
getting all the updates Sequoia is including security-related ones.

But that's what they always say. If all that Sequoia gets me is a few more >>> emojis, then why should I bother?

There's the security updates. Like I said.

The macOS xprotect system obviously still runs on Sonoma but will normally only offer basic protection from malware.

What malware?

But if you’re careful and run 3rd party apps such as MalwareBytes, DetectX Swift you should be OK with
Sonoma.

No 3rd party "malware" stuff here, thanks.

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Tim

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On 28 Apr 2025 at 14:03:53 BST, "David" <BoaterDave@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

On 28/04/2025 13:41, TimS wrote:

On 28 Apr 2025 at 12:27:34 BST, "Chris" <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:

I'm running Sonoma.Latest on a 2018 Mini. Apple seems to imagine I want to >>>> update to Sequoia. Is there any good technical reason (e.g. bug fixes) to do
so. I can live without the extra 8 emojis.

If you can, it's recommended to run the latest version. Sonoma isn't
getting all the updates Sequoia is including security-related ones.

But that's what they always say. If all that Sequoia gets me is a few more >> emojis, then why should I bother?

All is explained here, Tim:-

https://www.apple.com/uk/macos/macos-sequoia/

Please explore for yourself.

So, nothing at all, then.

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On 2025-04-28, TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:

On 28 Apr 2025 at 14:39:09 BST, "Alan B" <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid>
wrote:

Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:

On 28 Apr 2025 at 12:27:34 BST, "Chris" <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:

I'm running Sonoma.Latest on a 2018 Mini. Apple seems to imagine I want to
update to Sequoia. Is there any good technical reason (e.g. bug fixes) to do
so. I can live without the extra 8 emojis.

If you can, it's recommended to run the latest version. Sonoma isn't >>>>> getting all the updates Sequoia is including security-related ones.

But that's what they always say. If all that Sequoia gets me is a few more >>>> emojis, then why should I bother?

There's the security updates. Like I said.

The macOS xprotect system obviously still runs on Sonoma but will normally >> only offer basic protection from malware.

What malware?

I agree there are no Mac viruses (viri?) out there so no AV products need
to be installed. According to Apple's own xprotect app we currently need protection from the following items of other forms of malware:

Adload
BadGacha
BlueTop
Bundlore
CardboardCutout
ColdSnap
Crapyrator
Dolittle
DubRobber
FloppyFlipper
Genieo
GreenAcre
KeySteal
Pirrit
RankStank
RoachFlight
SheepSwap
SnowBeagle
SnowDrift
ToyDrop
Trovi
WaterNet

I've no idea what they might do as Apple never provide details. Anyway
they've given them some rather odd and amusing names!

No 3rd party "malware" stuff here, thanks.

I occasionally download MWB, run it and then delete it. However it's
never found anything.

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On 28.04.25 15:20, Chris wrote:

TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:

On 28 Apr 2025 at 12:27:34 BST, "Chris" <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:

I'm running Sonoma.Latest on a 2018 Mini. Apple seems to imagine I want to >>>> update to Sequoia. Is there any good technical reason (e.g. bug fixes) to do
so. I can live without the extra 8 emojis.

If you can, it's recommended to run the latest version. Sonoma isn't
getting all the updates Sequoia is including security-related ones.

But that's what they always say. If all that Sequoia gets me is a few more >> emojis, then why should I bother?

There's the security updates. Like I said.

*FCUK*! You are absolutely right.


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"Roma locuta, causa finita." (Augustinus)

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On 2025-04-28, Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:

On 28.04.25 15:39, Alan B wrote:

Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:

On 28 Apr 2025 at 12:27:34 BST, "Chris" <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:

I'm running Sonoma.Latest on a 2018 Mini. Apple seems to imagine I want to
update to Sequoia. Is there any good technical reason (e.g. bug fixes) to do
so. I can live without the extra 8 emojis.

If you can, it's recommended to run the latest version. Sonoma isn't >>>>> getting all the updates Sequoia is including security-related ones.

But that's what they always say. If all that Sequoia gets me is a few more >>>> emojis, then why should I bother?

There's the security updates. Like I said.

The macOS xprotect system obviously still runs on Sonoma but will normally >> only offer basic protection from malware. But if you’re careful and run 3rd
party apps such as MalwareBytes, DetectX Swift you should be OK with
Sonoma.

Sorry Alan. That is nonsense. All this third party crap is *malware*.

Well at least I haven't paid money for them ;-)

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On 28.04.25 15:39, Alan B wrote:

Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:

On 28 Apr 2025 at 12:27:34 BST, "Chris" <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:

I'm running Sonoma.Latest on a 2018 Mini. Apple seems to imagine I want to
update to Sequoia. Is there any good technical reason (e.g. bug fixes) to do
so. I can live without the extra 8 emojis.

If you can, it's recommended to run the latest version. Sonoma isn't
getting all the updates Sequoia is including security-related ones.

But that's what they always say. If all that Sequoia gets me is a few more >>> emojis, then why should I bother?

There's the security updates. Like I said.

The macOS xprotect system obviously still runs on Sonoma but will normally only offer basic protection from malware. But if you’re careful and run 3rd party apps such as MalwareBytes, DetectX Swift you should be OK with
Sonoma.

Sorry Alan. That is nonsense. All this third party crap is *malware*.

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"Roma locuta, causa finita." (Augustinus)

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On 28 Apr 2025 09:27:59 GMT, TimS wrote:

I'm running Sonoma.Latest on a 2018 Mini. Apple seems to imagine I want to update to Sequoia. Is there any good technical reason (e.g. bug fixes) to do so. I can live without the extra 8 emojis.

Maybe they have better window management. I'm trying 'rectangle'
with Sonoma but it's not anything to write home about.

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