https://discussions.apple.com/thread/256080028?cid=em-com-watches_email_thread-view_the_full_discussion-en-us-11282023&sortBy=newest_first&page=1
Fascinating thread! 🙂
On Jun 18, 2025 at 3:07:31 AM EDT, ""David B."" <BoaterDave@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/256080028?cid=em-com-watches_email_thread-view_the_full_discussion-en-us-11282023&sortBy=newest_first&page=1
Fascinating thread! 🙂
"Reinstalling, creating a new user, jumping thru hoops and ranting will not solve the problems."
Another paranoid, knows-absolutely-nothing, babbling fool. Sounds VERY much like you. Nothing fascinating at all.
He has clearly done something to his setup that he does not want to share. Multiple people told him to run EtreCheck and he refuses. That makes the score
2 paranoid dipshits who dont like EtreCheck vs the rest of the world who know it is fine. So let him rot. I guarantee that the Apple Support people are glad
to be done with him.
Tip: When you ask for help, do not refuse the help you are given.
On 18/06/2025 13:55, Tyrone wrote:
On Jun 18, 2025 at 3:07:31 AM EDT, ""David B."" <BoaterDave@hotmail.co.uk> >> wrote:
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/256080028?cid=em-com-watches_email_thread-view_the_full_discussion-en-us-11282023&sortBy=newest_first&page=1
Fascinating thread! 🙂
"Reinstalling, creating a new user, jumping thru hoops and ranting will not >> solve the problems."
Another paranoid, knows-absolutely-nothing, babbling fool. Sounds VERY much >> like you. Nothing fascinating at all.
He has clearly done something to his setup that he does not want to share. >> Multiple people told him to run EtreCheck and he refuses. That makes the score
2 paranoid dipshits who dont like EtreCheck vs the rest of the world who know
it is fine. So let him rot. I guarantee that the Apple Support people are glad
to be done with him.
Tip: When you ask for help, do not refuse the help you are given.
Thank you for replying to me, Tyrone.
The OP who asked the question is NOT a run-of-the-mill user of Apple
products - he has an Mac Pro!
https://www.apple.com/uk/mac-pro/ (Over £7000 now!)
Apple itself doesn't support the use of non-Apple software unless it is available in the Apple App Store. You'd not think that was the case
judging by how many 'gurus' in the ASC forums promote the use of EtreCheck.
Are they getting back-handers, perhaps?
SOMETHING is amiss with a developer who hides from public view. <shrug>
Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
Tip: When you ask for help, do not refuse the help you are given.
YHBT
On Jun 18, 2025 at 9:50:51 AM EDT, ""David B."" <BoaterDave@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
On 18/06/2025 13:55, Tyrone wrote:
On Jun 18, 2025 at 3:07:31 AM EDT, ""David B."" <BoaterDave@hotmail.co.uk>
wrote:
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/256080028?cid=em-com-watches_email_thread-view_the_full_discussion-en-us-11282023&sortBy=newest_first&page=1
Fascinating thread! 🙂
"Reinstalling, creating a new user, jumping thru hoops and ranting will not >>> solve the problems."
Another paranoid, knows-absolutely-nothing, babbling fool. Sounds VERY much >>> like you. Nothing fascinating at all.
He has clearly done something to his setup that he does not want to share. >>> Multiple people told him to run EtreCheck and he refuses. That makes the score
2 paranoid dipshits who dont like EtreCheck vs the rest of the world who know
it is fine. So let him rot. I guarantee that the Apple Support people are glad
to be done with him.
Tip: When you ask for help, do not refuse the help you are given.
Thank you for replying to me, Tyrone.
The OP who asked the question is NOT a run-of-the-mill user of Apple
products - he has an Mac Pro!
So? How does that make you smart? Having money has nothing to do with knowing
about computers.
https://www.apple.com/uk/mac-pro/ (Over £7000 now!)
Apple itself doesn't support the use of non-Apple software unless it is
available in the Apple App Store. You'd not think that was the case
judging by how many 'gurus' in the ASC forums promote the use of EtreCheck.
It is a testament to how useful EtreCheck is.
Are they getting back-handers, perhaps?
Are you stupid and paranoid, perhaps?
SOMETHING is amiss with a developer who hides from public view. <shrug>
Ignoring known internet stalkers who are banned from every forum they join (IOW, you), is NOT "hiding from public view". He talks to LOTS of people. He supports his product.
Note that telling you where he lives, where he works and how much money he makes is NOT part of supporting his product.
On 18/06/2025 15:10, Tyrone wrote:
On Jun 18, 2025 at 9:50:51 AM EDT, ""David B."" <BoaterDave@hotmail.co.uk> >> wrote:
On 18/06/2025 13:55, Tyrone wrote:
On Jun 18, 2025 at 3:07:31 AM EDT, ""David B."" <BoaterDave@hotmail.co.uk>
wrote:
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/256080028?cid=em-com-watches_email_thread-view_the_full_discussion-en-us-11282023&sortBy=newest_first&page=1
Fascinating thread! 🙂
"Reinstalling, creating a new user, jumping thru hoops and ranting will not
solve the problems."
Another paranoid, knows-absolutely-nothing, babbling fool. Sounds VERY much
like you. Nothing fascinating at all.
He has clearly done something to his setup that he does not want to share. >>>> Multiple people told him to run EtreCheck and he refuses. That makes the score
2 paranoid dipshits who dont like EtreCheck vs the rest of the world who know
it is fine. So let him rot. I guarantee that the Apple Support people are glad
to be done with him.
Tip: When you ask for help, do not refuse the help you are given.
Thank you for replying to me, Tyrone.
The OP who asked the question is NOT a run-of-the-mill user of Apple
products - he has an Mac Pro!
So? How does that make you smart? Having money has nothing to do with knowing
about computers.
Most folk have to be _quite_ smart to acquire the money to buy the best computers!
Most folk have to be _quite_ smart to acquire the money to buy the best computers! The OP must know SOMETHING about his computer to know how to
erase his SSD and then install macOS from scratch.
https://www.apple.com/uk/mac-pro/ (Over £7000 now!)It is a testament to how useful EtreCheck is.
Apple itself doesn't support the use of non-Apple software unless it is
available in the Apple App Store. You'd not think that was the case
judging by how many 'gurus' in the ASC forums promote the use of EtreCheck. >>
If you are SURE it does nothing nefarious, I'll consider buying it again!
Do let me know your views.
On Jun 19, 2025 at 5:43:22 AM EDT, ""David B."" <BoaterDave@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Most folk have to be _quite_ smart to acquire the money to buy the best
computers! The OP must know SOMETHING about his computer to know how to
erase his SSD and then install macOS from scratch.
You do that all the time, and you know nothing about computers. Again, the OP sounds just like you.
https://www.apple.com/uk/mac-pro/ (Over £7000 now!)
Apple itself doesn't support the use of non-Apple software unless it is >>>> available in the Apple App Store. You'd not think that was the case
judging by how many 'gurus' in the ASC forums promote the use of EtreCheck.
It is a testament to how useful EtreCheck is.
If you are SURE it does nothing nefarious, I'll consider buying it again!
Do let me know your views.
Everyone (except you) is sure of that. But there is no way he will sell it to you again.
On 2025-06-19, David B. <BoaterDave@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
On 18/06/2025 15:10, Tyrone wrote:
On Jun 18, 2025 at 9:50:51 AM EDT, ""David B."" <BoaterDave@hotmail.co.uk>
wrote:
On 18/06/2025 13:55, Tyrone wrote:
On Jun 18, 2025 at 3:07:31 AM EDT, ""David B."" <BoaterDave@hotmail.co.uk>
wrote:
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/256080028?cid=em-com-watches_email_thread-view_the_full_discussion-en-us-11282023&sortBy=newest_first&page=1
Fascinating thread! 🙂
"Reinstalling, creating a new user, jumping thru hoops and ranting will not
solve the problems."
Another paranoid, knows-absolutely-nothing, babbling fool. Sounds VERY much
like you. Nothing fascinating at all.
He has clearly done something to his setup that he does not want to share.
Multiple people told him to run EtreCheck and he refuses. That makes the score
2 paranoid dipshits who dont like EtreCheck vs the rest of the world who know
it is fine. So let him rot. I guarantee that the Apple Support people are glad
to be done with him.
Tip: When you ask for help, do not refuse the help you are given.
Thank you for replying to me, Tyrone.
The OP who asked the question is NOT a run-of-the-mill user of Apple
products - he has an Mac Pro!
So? How does that make you smart? Having money has nothing to do with knowing
about computers.
Most folk have to be _quite_ smart to acquire the money to buy the best
computers!
Not necessarily true.
Grift the government and you too can own multiple Apple Macs paid for by
the taxpayers.
Do *YOU* have the ability to question the OP in that thread?
I do.
If so, I'd like you to question the OP's stance on matters.
Not a chance.
You need to fight your own forum battles.
On 19/06/2025 13:27, pothead wrote:
On 2025-06-19, David B. <BoaterDave@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
On 18/06/2025 15:10, Tyrone wrote:
On Jun 18, 2025 at 9:50:51 AM EDT, ""David B."" <BoaterDave@hotmail.co.uk>
wrote:
On 18/06/2025 13:55, Tyrone wrote:
On Jun 18, 2025 at 3:07:31 AM EDT, ""David B."" <BoaterDave@hotmail.co.uk>
wrote:
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/256080028?cid=em-com-watches_email_thread-view_the_full_discussion-en-us-11282023&sortBy=newest_first&page=1
Fascinating thread! 🙂
"Reinstalling, creating a new user, jumping thru hoops and ranting will not
solve the problems."
Another paranoid, knows-absolutely-nothing, babbling fool. Sounds VERY much
like you. Nothing fascinating at all.
He has clearly done something to his setup that he does not want to share.
Multiple people told him to run EtreCheck and he refuses. That makes the score
2 paranoid dipshits who dont like EtreCheck vs the rest of the world who know
it is fine. So let him rot. I guarantee that the Apple Support people are glad
to be done with him.
Tip: When you ask for help, do not refuse the help you are given.
Thank you for replying to me, Tyrone.
The OP who asked the question is NOT a run-of-the-mill user of Apple >>>>> products - he has an Mac Pro!
So? How does that make you smart? Having money has nothing to do with knowing
about computers.
Most folk have to be _quite_ smart to acquire the money to buy the best
computers!
Not necessarily true.
Grift the government and you too can own multiple Apple Macs paid for by
the taxpayers.
Do *YOU* have the ability to question the OP in that thread?
If so, I'd like you to question the OP's stance on matters.
David B. wrote:
On 22/06/2025 15:15, pothead wrote:have you tried EtreCheck
[....]
Do *YOU* have the ability to question the OP in that thread?
I do.
Then show me!
If so, I'd like you to question the OP's stance on matters.
Not a chance.
You need to fight your own forum battles.
*I cannot post in that thread* - I am banned from the ASC forums. :-(
My 'spare' apple iPhone must wait until 2026 before Apple will re-
activate it for use with the Apple iCloud. I'm stuck with that!
On 18/06/2025 14:51, Mr Ön!on *dishonestly* adjusted the Newsgroup selection!
Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
Tip: When you ask for help, do not refuse the help you are given.
YHBT
Nope!
*No troll* - these are *FACTS!
Hominahomina
Author
User level: Level 1
11 points
Jun 18, 2025 11:39 AM in response to etresoft
I've spent more than enough time trying to find illumination about this problem. Whether it's appropriate or not for discussion in this forum, I
ran EtreCheck due to a couple posters requesting it. Due to the glaring inconsistencies I saw in those EtreCheck reports that I generated while troubleshooting, my hesitation in providing an EtreCheck report in this
forum was solely to avoid unnecessarily wasting more time on it.
I've wiped my Apple SSD and am in the process of reconstructing it; the
issue has been rendered moot.
Reply
etresoft
User level: Level 9
54,476 points
Jun 18, 2025 8:45 AM in response to Hominahomina
Hominahomina wrote:
//My EtreCheck reports make no sense, that's why. I boot from a drive
that's just been created, a pristine 15.5 install. I run EtreCheck and generate a report for that drive. That report displays three unloaded
system extensions that have not only never been installed but when I
select "Show in Finder" for one of those extensions, the window that's displayed is FOR A DIFFERENT DRIVE than the one from which I booted and
is being reported on. Make that make sense.//
It's difficult to make it make sense because it's all inherently confusing.
EtreCheck shows all 3rd party system modifications, including those that
are installed and running, those that are installed but not active at
the time, and those that are not installed, but could be. System
Extension are particularly tricky because they can be in many different states, some of which are particularly problematic. Rather than trying
to confuse these issues even further, I have a policy to just report everything, running or not, loaded or not.
The operating system will see apps located on any visible volume. And
Apple is moving 3rd party system modifications from the classic
locations in places like "/Extensions" and "~/LaunchAgents" to inside
app bundles, wherever those might be found. What that means is that if
you have 3rd party system modifications inside an app on some external
drive, EtreCheck will show them because they really could be loaded into
the operating system at any time.
There are stark discontinuities between what's SUPPOSED to be in an
EtreCheck report and what's ACTUALLY in the EtreCheck reports I'm seeing.
This is s technical support forum for Apple products. If you are seeing problems with your EtreCheck report, this is really not the appropriate
place to discuss them. I would be happy to do that via e-mail if you want.
I have seen other people report similar problems. If I could see your EtreCheck report, discontinuous or not, it might be helpful to
understand this issue. This isn't a common problem. So perhaps I've
missed something. To be honest, profiles are not something that
EtreCheck does particularly well. I don't have access to any of those enterprise MDM systems so it's a bit of a mystery. I can tell you that
Apple implements ScreenTime using profiles, so that probably explains
Apple tech support was focused on that. But it's quite possible that
there some other oddball system service that is also using profiles and
I've missed it.
If you don't want to post your EtreCheck report, that's fine. You have
my official blessing. But people may ask you to run some lower-level
tools manually (like the kinds that EtreCheck runs for you) to gather
more information. And this is the internet. Be careful about what people
ask you to do. *Not everyone is trustworthy*.
On 18/06/2025 20:46, David B. wrote:
On 18/06/2025 14:51, Mr Ön!on *dishonestly* adjusted the Newsgroup
selection!
Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
Tip: When you ask for help, do not refuse the help you are given.
YHBT
Nope!
*No troll* - these are *FACTS!
Hominahomina
Author
User level: Level 1
11 points
Jun 18, 2025 11:39 AM in response to etresoft
I've spent more than enough time trying to find illumination about this
problem. Whether it's appropriate or not for discussion in this forum, I
ran EtreCheck due to a couple posters requesting it. Due to the glaring
inconsistencies I saw in those EtreCheck reports that I generated while
troubleshooting, my hesitation in providing an EtreCheck report in this
forum was solely to avoid unnecessarily wasting more time on it.
I've wiped my Apple SSD and am in the process of reconstructing it; the
issue has been rendered moot.
Reply
etresoft
User level: Level 9
54,476 points
Jun 18, 2025 8:45 AM in response to Hominahomina
Hominahomina wrote:
//My EtreCheck reports make no sense, that's why. I boot from a drive
that's just been created, a pristine 15.5 install. I run EtreCheck and
generate a report for that drive. That report displays three unloaded
system extensions that have not only never been installed but when I
select "Show in Finder" for one of those extensions, the window that's
displayed is FOR A DIFFERENT DRIVE than the one from which I booted and
is being reported on. Make that make sense.//
It's difficult to make it make sense because it's all inherently confusing. >>
EtreCheck shows all 3rd party system modifications, including those that
are installed and running, those that are installed but not active at
the time, and those that are not installed, but could be. System
Extension are particularly tricky because they can be in many different
states, some of which are particularly problematic. Rather than trying
to confuse these issues even further, I have a policy to just report
everything, running or not, loaded or not.
The operating system will see apps located on any visible volume. And
Apple is moving 3rd party system modifications from the classic
locations in places like "/Extensions" and "~/LaunchAgents" to inside
app bundles, wherever those might be found. What that means is that if
you have 3rd party system modifications inside an app on some external
drive, EtreCheck will show them because they really could be loaded into
the operating system at any time.
There are stark discontinuities between what's SUPPOSED to be in an
EtreCheck report and what's ACTUALLY in the EtreCheck reports I'm seeing.
This is s technical support forum for Apple products. If you are seeing
problems with your EtreCheck report, this is really not the appropriate
place to discuss them. I would be happy to do that via e-mail if you want. >>
I have seen other people report similar problems. If I could see your
EtreCheck report, discontinuous or not, it might be helpful to
understand this issue. This isn't a common problem. So perhaps I've
missed something. To be honest, profiles are not something that
EtreCheck does particularly well. I don't have access to any of those
enterprise MDM systems so it's a bit of a mystery. I can tell you that
Apple implements ScreenTime using profiles, so that probably explains
Apple tech support was focused on that. But it's quite possible that
there some other oddball system service that is also using profiles and
I've missed it.
If you don't want to post your EtreCheck report, that's fine. You have
my official blessing. But people may ask you to run some lower-level
tools manually (like the kinds that EtreCheck runs for you) to gather
more information. And this is the internet. Be careful about what people
ask you to do. *Not everyone is trustworthy*.
Yes, it really can feel like there are two separate versions of the
Apple Support Communities (ASC) — and in a way, that's not far from the truth.
More of your raging paranoia.
ASC is allowed to do whatever the hell they want. It is NOT a conspiracy against you. They do NOT need your approval.
Get over yourself.
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