Copy/paste
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How I became a Mac security researcher!
Over the years, I’ve been attacked and criticized many times over my
views on security. At times, it’s been completely justified, while other times, it stems from not knowing the things that I know.
Thus, spurred on by events that are ultimately unimportant, for the
first time publicly, I’ve decided to tell the entire story of how I got into security, how I ended up at an antivirus company, and how and why
my views have changed. This is the story of someone who went from a
rabid “Macs don’t get viruses” fanboy to a professional malware researcher, and why exactly such a strange turn of events occurred. With
a smattering of stories about the history of Mac malware thrown in. 🙂
*Great reed*, here:- https://whitehatmac.com/how-i-became-a-mac-security-researcher/
David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
Copy/paste
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How I became a Mac security researcher!
Over the years, I’ve been attacked and criticized many times over my views on security. At times, it’s been completely justified, while other times, it stems from not knowing the things that I know.
Thus, spurred on by events that are ultimately unimportant, for the
first time publicly, I’ve decided to tell the entire story of how I got into security, how I ended up at an antivirus company, and how and why
my views have changed. This is the story of someone who went from a
rabid “Macs don’t get viruses” fanboy to a professional malware researcher, and why exactly such a strange turn of events occurred. With
a smattering of stories about the history of Mac malware thrown in. 🙂
*Great reed*, here:- https://whitehatmac.com/how-i-became-a-mac-security-researcher/
I see at the very end:
Posted on
February 20, 2020
Author
thomasareed
Tags
adware, Genieo, Mac, malware, Malwarebytes, VSearch
So (1) it's two years old,
and
(2) one of the tags is adware.
J.
David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
Copy/paste
**********
How I became a Mac security researcher!
Over the years, I’ve been attacked and criticized many times over my
views on security. At times, it’s been completely justified, while other >> times, it stems from not knowing the things that I know.
Thus, spurred on by events that are ultimately unimportant, for the
first time publicly, I’ve decided to tell the entire story of how I got
into security, how I ended up at an antivirus company, and how and why
my views have changed. This is the story of someone who went from a
rabid “Macs don’t get viruses” fanboy to a professional malware
researcher, and why exactly such a strange turn of events occurred. With
a smattering of stories about the history of Mac malware thrown in. 🙂
*Great reed*, here:-
https://whitehatmac.com/how-i-became-a-mac-security-researcher/
I see at the very end:
Posted on
February 20, 2020
Author
thomasareed
Tags
adware, Genieo, Mac, malware, Malwarebytes, VSearch
So (1) it's two years old, and
(2) one of the tags is adware.
On 08/06/2022 18:57, John Hill wrote:
David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
Copy/paste
**********
How I became a Mac security researcher!
Over the years, I’ve been attacked and criticized many times over my
views on security. At times, it’s been completely justified, while other
times, it stems from not knowing the things that I know.
Thus, spurred on by events that are ultimately unimportant, for the
first time publicly, I’ve decided to tell the entire story of how I got >> into security, how I ended up at an antivirus company, and how and why
my views have changed. This is the story of someone who went from a
rabid “Macs don’t get viruses” fanboy to a professional malware
researcher, and why exactly such a strange turn of events occurred. With >> a smattering of stories about the history of Mac malware thrown in. 🙂 >>
*Great reed*, here:-
https://whitehatmac.com/how-i-became-a-mac-security-researcher/
I see at the very end:
Posted on
February 20, 2020
Author
thomasareed
Tags
adware, Genieo, Mac, malware, Malwarebytes, VSearch
So (1) it's two years old, andThe age is immaterial, John.
(2) one of the tags is adware.
Mr Reed is now a Director of Malwarebytes Inc.
Whenever I have discussed security matters with Apple Support it has
been emphasised that the macOS requires no third-party anti-malware
software to be installed on Apple devices.
--
I was pleased to learn today that things have become a little easier for
you at home. 🙂
On Wednesday, 8 June 2022 at 21:21:32 UTC+1, David Brooks wrote:
On 08/06/2022 18:57, John Hill wrote:
David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:The age is immaterial, John.
Copy/paste
**********
How I became a Mac security researcher!
Over the years, I’ve been attacked and criticized many times over my >>>> views on security. At times, it’s been completely justified, while other >>>> times, it stems from not knowing the things that I know.
Thus, spurred on by events that are ultimately unimportant, for the
first time publicly, I’ve decided to tell the entire story of how I got >>>> into security, how I ended up at an antivirus company, and how and why >>>> my views have changed. This is the story of someone who went from a
rabid “Macs don’t get viruses” fanboy to a professional malware
researcher, and why exactly such a strange turn of events occurred. With >>>> a smattering of stories about the history of Mac malware thrown in. 🙂 >>>>
*Great reed*, here:-
https://whitehatmac.com/how-i-became-a-mac-security-researcher/
I see at the very end:
Posted on
February 20, 2020
Author
thomasareed
Tags
adware, Genieo, Mac, malware, Malwarebytes, VSearch
So (1) it's two years old, and
(2) one of the tags is adware.
Mr Reed is now a Director of Malwarebytes Inc.
Which is also immaterial
all it means is a salery .
Whenever I have discussed security matters with Apple Support it has
been emphasised that the macOS requires no third-party anti-malware
software to be installed on Apple devices.
If they are wrong you'll be able to find evidence of this therefore proving that
3rd party anti-malware is needed.
Then it's to find out if such software works and what other impact it might have on Apple OS.
I know people die from shark attacks but I haven't as yet built myslef or bought a commercail shark cage for protection,
and I have seen the film sharknado 3 headed shark attack and 7 headed shark attack.
Which is also why I don't wear a bikini, especailly on a beach , that's just asking for trouble.
;-)
On 09/06/2022 14:53, whisky-dave wrote:
On Wednesday, 8 June 2022 at 21:21:32 UTC+1, David Brooks wrote:
On 08/06/2022 18:57, John Hill wrote:
David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:The age is immaterial, John.
Copy/paste
**********
How I became a Mac security researcher!
Over the years, I’ve been attacked and criticized many times over my >>>> views on security. At times, it’s been completely justified, while other
times, it stems from not knowing the things that I know.
Thus, spurred on by events that are ultimately unimportant, for the >>>> first time publicly, I’ve decided to tell the entire story of how I got
into security, how I ended up at an antivirus company, and how and why >>>> my views have changed. This is the story of someone who went from a >>>> rabid “Macs don’t get viruses” fanboy to a professional malware >>>> researcher, and why exactly such a strange turn of events occurred. With
a smattering of stories about the history of Mac malware thrown in. 🙂
*Great reed*, here:-
https://whitehatmac.com/how-i-became-a-mac-security-researcher/
I see at the very end:
Posted on
February 20, 2020
Author
thomasareed
Tags
adware, Genieo, Mac, malware, Malwarebytes, VSearch
So (1) it's two years old, and
(2) one of the tags is adware.
Mr Reed is now a Director of Malwarebytes Inc.
Which is also immaterial
all it means is a salery .The pun was lost on you, my friend! ( A great READ!)
Whenever I have discussed security matters with Apple Support it has
been emphasised that the macOS requires no third-party anti-malware
software to be installed on Apple devices.
If they are wrong you'll be able to find evidence of this therefore proving thatWhat do YOU believe?
3rd party anti-malware is needed.
Then it's to find out if such software works and what other impact it might have on Apple OS.
I know people die from shark attacks but I haven't as yet built myslef or bought a commercail shark cage for protection,I love the way your mind functions, Dave! :-D
and I have seen the film sharknado 3 headed shark attack and 7 headed shark attack.
Which is also why I don't wear a bikini, especailly on a beach , that's just asking for trouble.
;-)
On Thursday, 9 June 2022 at 16:20:51 UTC+1, David Brooks wrote:
On 09/06/2022 14:53, whisky-dave wrote:
On Wednesday, 8 June 2022 at 21:21:32 UTC+1, David Brooks wrote:The pun was lost on you, my friend! ( A great READ!)
On 08/06/2022 18:57, John Hill wrote:
David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:The age is immaterial, John.
Copy/paste
**********
How I became a Mac security researcher!
Over the years, I’ve been attacked and criticized many times over my >>>>>> views on security. At times, it’s been completely justified, while other
times, it stems from not knowing the things that I know.
Thus, spurred on by events that are ultimately unimportant, for the >>>>>> first time publicly, I’ve decided to tell the entire story of how I got
into security, how I ended up at an antivirus company, and how and why >>>>>> my views have changed. This is the story of someone who went from a >>>>>> rabid “Macs don’t get viruses” fanboy to a professional malware >>>>>> researcher, and why exactly such a strange turn of events occurred. With >>>>>> a smattering of stories about the history of Mac malware thrown in. 🙂 >>>>>>
*Great reed*, here:-
https://whitehatmac.com/how-i-became-a-mac-security-researcher/
I see at the very end:
Posted on
February 20, 2020
Author
thomasareed
Tags
adware, Genieo, Mac, malware, Malwarebytes, VSearch
So (1) it's two years old, and
(2) one of the tags is adware.
Mr Reed is now a Director of Malwarebytes Inc.
Which is also immaterial
all it means is a salery .
What do YOU believe?Whenever I have discussed security matters with Apple Support it has
been emphasised that the macOS requires no third-party anti-malware
software to be installed on Apple devices.
If they are wrong you'll be able to find evidence of this therefore proving that
3rd party anti-malware is needed.
I'm not really a believer, I prefer fact based evidence.
I sometimes waste my time watching things like ancient aliens on TV and many of those paranormal on camera
and monster hunts, few show any real evidence just blurry pictures of ghosts or a yeti which could quite easily be faked.
But therre's lots of money to be made from these TV shows and thats from just the ads between them.
People are very gullible, that's why they removed the word from english dictionaries(UK versions) in the mid 90s.
On 13/06/2022 13:54, whisky-dave wrote:
On Thursday, 9 June 2022 at 16:20:51 UTC+1, David Brooks wrote:
On 09/06/2022 14:53, whisky-dave wrote:
On Wednesday, 8 June 2022 at 21:21:32 UTC+1, David Brooks wrote:The pun was lost on you, my friend! ( A great READ!)
On 08/06/2022 18:57, John Hill wrote:
David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:The age is immaterial, John.
Copy/paste
**********
How I became a Mac security researcher!
Over the years, I’ve been attacked and criticized many times over my
views on security. At times, it’s been completely justified, while other
times, it stems from not knowing the things that I know.
Thus, spurred on by events that are ultimately unimportant, for the >>>>>> first time publicly, I’ve decided to tell the entire story of how I got
into security, how I ended up at an antivirus company, and how and why
my views have changed. This is the story of someone who went from a >>>>>> rabid “Macs don’t get viruses” fanboy to a professional malware >>>>>> researcher, and why exactly such a strange turn of events occurred. With
a smattering of stories about the history of Mac malware thrown in. 🙂
*Great reed*, here:-
https://whitehatmac.com/how-i-became-a-mac-security-researcher/ >>>>>>
I see at the very end:
Posted on
February 20, 2020
Author
thomasareed
Tags
adware, Genieo, Mac, malware, Malwarebytes, VSearch
So (1) it's two years old, and
(2) one of the tags is adware.
Mr Reed is now a Director of Malwarebytes Inc.
Which is also immaterial
all it means is a salery .
What do YOU believe?Whenever I have discussed security matters with Apple Support it has >>>> been emphasised that the macOS requires no third-party anti-malware >>>> software to be installed on Apple devices.
If they are wrong you'll be able to find evidence of this therefore proving that
3rd party anti-malware is needed.
I'm not really a believer, I prefer fact based evidence.Does KnockKnock provide the evidence you seek?
I sometimes waste my time watching things like ancient aliens on TV and many of those paranormal on camera
and monster hunts, few show any real evidence just blurry pictures of ghosts or a yeti which could quite easily be faked.
But therre's lots of money to be made from these TV shows and thats from just the ads between them.
People are very gullible, that's why they removed the word from english dictionaries(UK versions) in the mid 90s.
https://objective-see.org/products/knockknock.html
<snip>
On Monday, 13 June 2022 at 15:21:56 UTC+1, David Brooks wrote:
On 13/06/2022 13:54, whisky-dave wrote:
On Thursday, 9 June 2022 at 16:20:51 UTC+1, David Brooks wrote:
On 09/06/2022 14:53, whisky-dave wrote:
On Wednesday, 8 June 2022 at 21:21:32 UTC+1, David Brooks wrote:The pun was lost on you, my friend! ( A great READ!)
On 08/06/2022 18:57, John Hill wrote:
David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:The age is immaterial, John.
Copy/paste
**********
How I became a Mac security researcher!
Over the years, I’ve been attacked and criticized many times over my >>>>>>>> views on security. At times, it’s been completely justified, while other
times, it stems from not knowing the things that I know.
Thus, spurred on by events that are ultimately unimportant, for the >>>>>>>> first time publicly, I’ve decided to tell the entire story of how I got
into security, how I ended up at an antivirus company, and how and why >>>>>>>> my views have changed. This is the story of someone who went from a >>>>>>>> rabid “Macs don’t get viruses” fanboy to a professional malware >>>>>>>> researcher, and why exactly such a strange turn of events occurred. With
a smattering of stories about the history of Mac malware thrown in. 🙂
*Great reed*, here:-
https://whitehatmac.com/how-i-became-a-mac-security-researcher/ >>>>>>>>
I see at the very end:
Posted on
February 20, 2020
Author
thomasareed
Tags
adware, Genieo, Mac, malware, Malwarebytes, VSearch
So (1) it's two years old, and
(2) one of the tags is adware.
Mr Reed is now a Director of Malwarebytes Inc.
Which is also immaterial
all it means is a salery .
What do YOU believe?Whenever I have discussed security matters with Apple Support it has >>>>>> been emphasised that the macOS requires no third-party anti-malware >>>>>> software to be installed on Apple devices.
If they are wrong you'll be able to find evidence of this therefore proving that
3rd party anti-malware is needed.
I'm not really a believer, I prefer fact based evidence.
I sometimes waste my time watching things like ancient aliens on TV and many of those paranormal on camera
and monster hunts, few show any real evidence just blurry pictures of ghosts or a yeti which could quite easily be faked.
But therre's lots of money to be made from these TV shows and thats from just the ads between them.
People are very gullible, that's why they removed the word from english dictionaries(UK versions) in the mid 90s.
Does KnockKnock provide the evidence you seek?
https://objective-see.org/products/knockknock.html
Not really.
On 13/06/2022 16:54, whisky-dave wrote:
On Monday, 13 June 2022 at 15:21:56 UTC+1, David Brooks wrote:
On 13/06/2022 13:54, whisky-dave wrote:
On Thursday, 9 June 2022 at 16:20:51 UTC+1, David Brooks wrote:
On 09/06/2022 14:53, whisky-dave wrote:
On Wednesday, 8 June 2022 at 21:21:32 UTC+1, David Brooks wrote: >>>>>> On 08/06/2022 18:57, John Hill wrote:The pun was lost on you, my friend! ( A great READ!)
David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:The age is immaterial, John.
Copy/paste
**********
How I became a Mac security researcher!
Over the years, I’ve been attacked and criticized many times over my
views on security. At times, it’s been completely justified, while other
times, it stems from not knowing the things that I know.
Thus, spurred on by events that are ultimately unimportant, for the >>>>>>>> first time publicly, I’ve decided to tell the entire story of how I got
into security, how I ended up at an antivirus company, and how and why
my views have changed. This is the story of someone who went from a >>>>>>>> rabid “Macs don’t get viruses” fanboy to a professional malware
researcher, and why exactly such a strange turn of events occurred. With
a smattering of stories about the history of Mac malware thrown in. 🙂
*Great reed*, here:-
https://whitehatmac.com/how-i-became-a-mac-security-researcher/ >>>>>>>>
I see at the very end:
Posted on
February 20, 2020
Author
thomasareed
Tags
adware, Genieo, Mac, malware, Malwarebytes, VSearch
So (1) it's two years old, and
(2) one of the tags is adware.
Mr Reed is now a Director of Malwarebytes Inc.
Which is also immaterial
all it means is a salery .
What do YOU believe?Whenever I have discussed security matters with Apple Support it has >>>>>> been emphasised that the macOS requires no third-party anti-malware >>>>>> software to be installed on Apple devices.
If they are wrong you'll be able to find evidence of this therefore proving that
3rd party anti-malware is needed.
I'm not really a believer, I prefer fact based evidence.
I sometimes waste my time watching things like ancient aliens on TV and many of those paranormal on camera
and monster hunts, few show any real evidence just blurry pictures of ghosts or a yeti which could quite easily be faked.
But therre's lots of money to be made from these TV shows and thats from just the ads between them.
People are very gullible, that's why they removed the word from english dictionaries(UK versions) in the mid 90s.
Does KnockKnock provide the evidence you seek?Not really.
https://objective-see.org/products/knockknock.html
How DO you check that /your/ Mac has not been compromised in any way?
On Monday, 13 June 2022 at 22:59:54 UTC+1, David Brooks wrote:
On 13/06/2022 16:54, whisky-dave wrote:
On Monday, 13 June 2022 at 15:21:56 UTC+1, David Brooks wrote:
On 13/06/2022 13:54, whisky-dave wrote:
On Thursday, 9 June 2022 at 16:20:51 UTC+1, David Brooks wrote:
On 09/06/2022 14:53, whisky-dave wrote:
On Wednesday, 8 June 2022 at 21:21:32 UTC+1, David Brooks wrote: >>>>>>>> On 08/06/2022 18:57, John Hill wrote:The pun was lost on you, my friend! ( A great READ!)
David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:The age is immaterial, John.
Copy/paste
**********
How I became a Mac security researcher!
Over the years, I’ve been attacked and criticized many times over my
views on security. At times, it’s been completely justified, while other
times, it stems from not knowing the things that I know.
Thus, spurred on by events that are ultimately unimportant, for the >>>>>>>>>> first time publicly, I’ve decided to tell the entire story of how I got
into security, how I ended up at an antivirus company, and how and why
my views have changed. This is the story of someone who went from a >>>>>>>>>> rabid “Macs don’t get viruses” fanboy to a professional malware
researcher, and why exactly such a strange turn of events occurred. With
a smattering of stories about the history of Mac malware thrown in. 🙂
*Great reed*, here:-
https://whitehatmac.com/how-i-became-a-mac-security-researcher/ >>>>>>>>>>
I see at the very end:
Posted on
February 20, 2020
Author
thomasareed
Tags
adware, Genieo, Mac, malware, Malwarebytes, VSearch
So (1) it's two years old, and
(2) one of the tags is adware.
Mr Reed is now a Director of Malwarebytes Inc.
Which is also immaterial
all it means is a salery .
What do YOU believe?Whenever I have discussed security matters with Apple Support it has >>>>>>>> been emphasised that the macOS requires no third-party anti-malware >>>>>>>> software to be installed on Apple devices.
If they are wrong you'll be able to find evidence of this therefore proving that
3rd party anti-malware is needed.
I'm not really a believer, I prefer fact based evidence.
I sometimes waste my time watching things like ancient aliens on TV and many of those paranormal on camera
and monster hunts, few show any real evidence just blurry pictures of ghosts or a yeti which could quite easily be faked.
But therre's lots of money to be made from these TV shows and thats from just the ads between them.
People are very gullible, that's why they removed the word from english dictionaries(UK versions) in the mid 90s.
Does KnockKnock provide the evidence you seek?Not really.
https://objective-see.org/products/knockknock.html
How DO you check that /your/ Mac has not been compromised in any way?
I don't check.
On 14/06/2022 10:44, whisky-dave wrote:
On Monday, 13 June 2022 at 22:59:54 UTC+1, David Brooks wrote:
On 13/06/2022 16:54, whisky-dave wrote:
On Monday, 13 June 2022 at 15:21:56 UTC+1, David Brooks wrote:
On 13/06/2022 13:54, whisky-dave wrote:
On Thursday, 9 June 2022 at 16:20:51 UTC+1, David Brooks wrote:
On 09/06/2022 14:53, whisky-dave wrote:
On Wednesday, 8 June 2022 at 21:21:32 UTC+1, David Brooks wrote: >>>>>>>> On 08/06/2022 18:57, John Hill wrote:The pun was lost on you, my friend! ( A great READ!)
David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:The age is immaterial, John.
Copy/paste
**********
How I became a Mac security researcher!
Over the years, I’ve been attacked and criticized many times over my
views on security. At times, it’s been completely justified, while other
times, it stems from not knowing the things that I know. >>>>>>>>>>
Thus, spurred on by events that are ultimately unimportant, for the
first time publicly, I’ve decided to tell the entire story of how I got
into security, how I ended up at an antivirus company, and how and why
my views have changed. This is the story of someone who went from a
rabid “Macs don’t get viruses” fanboy to a professional malware
researcher, and why exactly such a strange turn of events occurred. With
a smattering of stories about the history of Mac malware thrown in. 🙂
*Great reed*, here:-
https://whitehatmac.com/how-i-became-a-mac-security-researcher/ >>>>>>>>>>
I see at the very end:
Posted on
February 20, 2020
Author
thomasareed
Tags
adware, Genieo, Mac, malware, Malwarebytes, VSearch
So (1) it's two years old, and
(2) one of the tags is adware.
Mr Reed is now a Director of Malwarebytes Inc.
Which is also immaterial
all it means is a salery .
What do YOU believe?Whenever I have discussed security matters with Apple Support it has
been emphasised that the macOS requires no third-party anti-malware >>>>>>>> software to be installed on Apple devices.
If they are wrong you'll be able to find evidence of this therefore proving that
3rd party anti-malware is needed.
I'm not really a believer, I prefer fact based evidence.
I sometimes waste my time watching things like ancient aliens on TV and many of those paranormal on camera
and monster hunts, few show any real evidence just blurry pictures of ghosts or a yeti which could quite easily be faked.
But therre's lots of money to be made from these TV shows and thats from just the ads between them.
People are very gullible, that's why they removed the word from english dictionaries(UK versions) in the mid 90s.
Does KnockKnock provide the evidence you seek?Not really.
https://objective-see.org/products/knockknock.html
How DO you check that /your/ Mac has not been compromised in any way?
I don't check.OK ;-)
I'm delighted to learn that you, too, believe that what's claimed here
is bullshit! https://www.clamxav.com
On Tuesday, 14 June 2022 at 12:29:11 UTC+1, David Brooks wrote:
On 14/06/2022 10:44, whisky-dave wrote:
On Monday, 13 June 2022 at 22:59:54 UTC+1, David Brooks wrote:OK ;-)
On 13/06/2022 16:54, whisky-dave wrote:
On Monday, 13 June 2022 at 15:21:56 UTC+1, David Brooks wrote:
On 13/06/2022 13:54, whisky-dave wrote:
On Thursday, 9 June 2022 at 16:20:51 UTC+1, David Brooks wrote: >>>>>>>> On 09/06/2022 14:53, whisky-dave wrote:
On Wednesday, 8 June 2022 at 21:21:32 UTC+1, David Brooks wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 08/06/2022 18:57, John Hill wrote:The pun was lost on you, my friend! ( A great READ!)
David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:The age is immaterial, John.
Copy/paste
**********
How I became a Mac security researcher!
Over the years, I’ve been attacked and criticized many times over my
views on security. At times, it’s been completely justified, while other
times, it stems from not knowing the things that I know. >>>>>>>>>>>>
Thus, spurred on by events that are ultimately unimportant, for the
first time publicly, I’ve decided to tell the entire story of how I got
into security, how I ended up at an antivirus company, and how and why
my views have changed. This is the story of someone who went from a
rabid “Macs don’t get viruses” fanboy to a professional malware
researcher, and why exactly such a strange turn of events occurred. With
a smattering of stories about the history of Mac malware thrown in. 🙂
*Great reed*, here:-
https://whitehatmac.com/how-i-became-a-mac-security-researcher/ >>>>>>>>>>>>
I see at the very end:
Posted on
February 20, 2020
Author
thomasareed
Tags
adware, Genieo, Mac, malware, Malwarebytes, VSearch
So (1) it's two years old, and
(2) one of the tags is adware.
Mr Reed is now a Director of Malwarebytes Inc.
Which is also immaterial
all it means is a salery .
What do YOU believe?Whenever I have discussed security matters with Apple Support it has >>>>>>>>>> been emphasised that the macOS requires no third-party anti-malware >>>>>>>>>> software to be installed on Apple devices.
If they are wrong you'll be able to find evidence of this therefore proving that
3rd party anti-malware is needed.
I'm not really a believer, I prefer fact based evidence.
I sometimes waste my time watching things like ancient aliens on TV and many of those paranormal on camera
and monster hunts, few show any real evidence just blurry pictures of ghosts or a yeti which could quite easily be faked.
But therre's lots of money to be made from these TV shows and thats from just the ads between them.
People are very gullible, that's why they removed the word from english dictionaries(UK versions) in the mid 90s.
Does KnockKnock provide the evidence you seek?Not really.
https://objective-see.org/products/knockknock.html
How DO you check that /your/ Mac has not been compromised in any way?
I don't check.
I'm delighted to learn that you, too, believe that what's claimed here
is bullshit! https://www.clamxav.com
I"ve never said anything about that site I've never claimed it's bullshit or any other type of shit, as I have no idea.
In the past I've used littlesnitch but gave up on it because I was spending too much time worrying about what was happening
behind the scenes of what software does especailly google stuff.
I was asked by someone that worked for norton whether I'd like to join their team for writing anti-virus software.
This was in the late 90s, but I had little or no interest in such a things so declined the offer.
Today and for the forseable future If I had a habit of going on porn sites or 'sharing' the latest music and films via downloads or torrents whether the dark web or not
I may well think of buying such a product(s) but more likely to download it for free via a torrent anyway.
Just like an airbag will stop me from serious injury, but not having a car and rarely travling in one I don't see a need for buying one.
That goes for wearing a life jacket too, but if on a boat at sea I sould do, or even on a canel, and I cross regents canal at least once per day.
On 14/06/2022 16:37, whisky-dave wrote:
On Tuesday, 14 June 2022 at 12:29:11 UTC+1, David Brooks wrote:
On 14/06/2022 10:44, whisky-dave wrote:
On Monday, 13 June 2022 at 22:59:54 UTC+1, David Brooks wrote:OK ;-)
On 13/06/2022 16:54, whisky-dave wrote:I don't check.
On Monday, 13 June 2022 at 15:21:56 UTC+1, David Brooks wrote:
On 13/06/2022 13:54, whisky-dave wrote:
On Thursday, 9 June 2022 at 16:20:51 UTC+1, David Brooks wrote: >>>>>>>> On 09/06/2022 14:53, whisky-dave wrote:
On Wednesday, 8 June 2022 at 21:21:32 UTC+1, David Brooks wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 08/06/2022 18:57, John Hill wrote:The pun was lost on you, my friend! ( A great READ!)
David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:The age is immaterial, John.
Copy/paste
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How I became a Mac security researcher!
Over the years, I’ve been attacked and criticized many times over my
views on security. At times, it’s been completely justified, while other
times, it stems from not knowing the things that I know. >>>>>>>>>>>>
Thus, spurred on by events that are ultimately unimportant, for the
first time publicly, I’ve decided to tell the entire story of how I got
into security, how I ended up at an antivirus company, and how and why
my views have changed. This is the story of someone who went from a
rabid “Macs don’t get viruses” fanboy to a professional malware
researcher, and why exactly such a strange turn of events occurred. With
a smattering of stories about the history of Mac malware thrown in. 🙂
*Great reed*, here:-
https://whitehatmac.com/how-i-became-a-mac-security-researcher/ >>>>>>>>>>>>
I see at the very end:
Posted on
February 20, 2020
Author
thomasareed
Tags
adware, Genieo, Mac, malware, Malwarebytes, VSearch
So (1) it's two years old, and
(2) one of the tags is adware.
Mr Reed is now a Director of Malwarebytes Inc.
Which is also immaterial
all it means is a salery .
What do YOU believe?Whenever I have discussed security matters with Apple Support it has
been emphasised that the macOS requires no third-party anti-malware
software to be installed on Apple devices.
If they are wrong you'll be able to find evidence of this therefore proving that
3rd party anti-malware is needed.
I'm not really a believer, I prefer fact based evidence.
I sometimes waste my time watching things like ancient aliens on TV and many of those paranormal on camera
and monster hunts, few show any real evidence just blurry pictures of ghosts or a yeti which could quite easily be faked.
But therre's lots of money to be made from these TV shows and thats from just the ads between them.
People are very gullible, that's why they removed the word from english dictionaries(UK versions) in the mid 90s.
Does KnockKnock provide the evidence you seek?Not really.
https://objective-see.org/products/knockknock.html
How DO you check that /your/ Mac has not been compromised in any way? >>>
I'm delighted to learn that you, too, believe that what's claimed here
is bullshit! https://www.clamxav.com
I"ve never said anything about that site I've never claimed it's bullshit or any other type of shit, as I have no idea.That site claims that protection is essential if you operate an Apple computer.
You've said that /you/ take NO preventative measures.
That's a dichotomy.
In the past I've used littlesnitch but gave up on it because I was spending too much time worrying about what was happening
behind the scenes of what software does especailly google stuff.
I was asked by someone that worked for norton whether I'd like to join their team for writing anti-virus software.You probably have been bored silly.
This was in the late 90s, but I had little or no interest in such a things so declined the offer.
Today and for the forseable future If I had a habit of going on porn sites or 'sharing' the latest music and films via downloads or torrents whether the dark web or notBe sure not to fall in, Dave! ;-)
I may well think of buying such a product(s) but more likely to download it for free via a torrent anyway.
Just like an airbag will stop me from serious injury, but not having a car and rarely travling in one I don't see a need for buying one.
That goes for wearing a life jacket too, but if on a boat at sea I sould do, or even on a canel, and I cross regents canal at least once per day.
How I became a Mac security researcher
Over the years, I’ve been attacked and criticized many times over my
views on security. At times, it’s been completely justified, while other times, it stems from not knowing the things that I know.
Thus, spurred on by events that are ultimately unimportant, for the
first time publicly, I’ve decided to tell the entire story of how I got into security, how I ended up at an antivirus company, and how and why
my views have changed. This is the story of someone who went from a
rabid “Macs don’t get viruses” fanboy to a professional malware researcher, and why exactly such a strange turn of events occurred. With
a smattering of stories about the history of Mac malware thrown in. 🙂
“Macs don’t get viruses”
In January of 2006, I joined Apple’s discussion forums, termed “Apple Support Communities,” or ASC for short. Around this same time, I was attempting a poorly-thought-out transition to teaching high school
science, which I would soon learn I was not cut out for. A few years
later, I failed at it and quit before I could finish paying off the debt
from getting my Master’s degree. My self-esteem was at an all-time low,
and I vented steam at people on the forums. It was not a time I’m particularly proud of.
At that time, I firmly believed that the Mac’s malware problems from the early days were a thing of the past. Before OS X, Apple’s “Classic” system (as we call it now) had all manner of malware. In fact, the first widespread computer virus – the Elk Cloner virus, which appeared in 1982 – actually affected the Apple II computer, a precursor of the Macintosh, and not a PC running DOS or Windows.
Disinfectant logo
The early Macintosh was no stranger to threats, and antivirus software
was soon to be considered important. John Norstad’s Disinfectant, introduced in 1989, was considered by many to be the best, though other
early pioneers in the antivirus industry were also offering some of the
first antivirus software on the Mac, such as McAfee’s VirusScan.
Working in the campus computer lab as a college student, I encountered
my first piece of malware, a virus known as WDEF, which spread from disk
to disk automatically, infecting any floppies inserted and spreading to
the next Mac that used it. (The virus infected the “desktop file”
present on every disk on the Classic Mac system.) Despite this, my
interest in malware would not truly start until nearly two decades later.
Once Apple transitioned to the Unix-based OS X, all the old malware was suddenly obsolete. OS X was a drastically different system, viruses
written for Classic systems no longer worked. On ASC, I routinely told
people that Macs didn’t get viruses, thanks to my preconceived notions
and lack of knowledge to the contrary, and, frankly, acted like a bit of
a jackass.
Information tips the balance
At some point, someone – and I couldn’t tell you for the life of me who it was, or precisely when this happened, at this point – challenged me
with some concrete information. I set out on a frenzy of research to
refute his (her?) arguments. But my determination to prove that I was
correct took a turn that would change my life: I learned that I was
actually wrong!
Needless to say, this was a humbling experience. More importantly,
though, I felt like I was glimpsing the periphery of a hidden world. I decided I wanted to know more.
Over the next few years, I believe that I dug up information on every
piece of OS X malware that ever became publicly known. I knew the
symptoms, the dangers, and how to remove every obscure piece of malware
that nobody ever saw anymore. I started monitoring for and documenting
the emergence of every new piece of malware. In 2011, I created The Safe
Mac to serve as a repository for this knowledge and a way of educating
people about the potential dangers.
The Safe Mac logo
I was still, at that time, a bit negative on the benefits of antivirus software. I was not nearly as rabid about it as I once was, of course,
as I realized that it could provide a valuable service to some people,
though I felt I personally did not need it, and that others who shared a similarly technical mindset didn’t need it either.
Adware Removal Guide
I started noticing an increase in a particular kind of malware that
become known as adware, because its goal was to steal from advertisers, search engines, and other affiliate programs in general. In 2013, I knew
I was onto something big when an adware company I had blogged about threatened to sue me if I didn’t remove all content about them from my website.
Genieo legal threat
Threat posted publicly in the comments on The Safe Mac
This was a particularly scary event, as this legal threat could
jeopardize my family’s financial future. I ended up refusing their
demands. They backed down, I breathed a sigh of relief, and I continued
with my (unpaid) work.
In hindsight, this outcome probably could have been predicted due to the
fact that Genieo rather amateurishly posted the threat publicly, for
anyone to read. Still, this was an eye-opening event that underscored to
me the idea that “adware is malware with a legal team.”
Since the adware problem had been on the rise, I was answering large
numbers of questions on ASC about adware removal. In late 2013, I
decided to create a set of pages on The Safe Mac that I called the
Adware Removal Guide. These pages provided information to help the user figure out what adware they were infected with, and how to remove those infections.
Heading into 2014, I had learned that people had great difficulty
following manual removal instructions. I do not mean to imply that they
were stupid, as some would uncharitably say; they were simply unsure of themselves, or over-sure of themselves, or perhaps just not particularly careful readers. Whatever the case, I went through many iterations of my instructions, and through trial-and-error learned a lot about how to
write those instructions clearly.
Creation of TSMART
TSMART code
In an ironic twist, it was the actions of that same adware company I had butted heads with that spurred me to try something different. Genieo’s adware was installing files in such a way as to render the system
incapable of starting up if one file were removed without removing
another. Countless people ran afoul of this issue after failing to
follow my removal instructions to the letter, and some of them became
very irate with me over the issue, as if it were my fault.
This, coupled with a timely suggestion from someone (who, I can no
longer recall) that a shell script might be handy to automate removal, sparked an idea. Soon, the abysmally named TSM Adware Removal Tool (abbreviated TSMART) was born. This tool was written in AppleScript,
compiled into an application to make it easy to run, and it automated
removal of everything described in my removal instructions.
It wasn’t long before the adware makers escalated with techniques like randomizing file names, making my script more difficult to maintain.
Every change required a complete update of the script, and although I
built functionality to alert the user when an update was available, it
just became too cumbersome.
I did a thing…
AdwareMedic logo
Thus was born the idea for AdwareMedic: an application that supported flexible identification logic coded into rules, which could be updated independently of the application itself. It certainly wasn’t my
intention to build an antivirus program – indeed, AdwareMedic was specifically meant to target adware, not malware – but evolution
sometimes results in two different paths to the same end.
The first version of AdwareMedic was written in a very short time – a weekend for the first prototype, and about a month for something that
could be released, if memory serves. It was done as a fun project that
could help some people. Next thing I knew, it had become a huge success.
I didn’t have a formal way to track its usage, but I firmly believe that
by early 2015 there were hundreds of thousands, maybe even millions, of
Macs running AdwareMedic. I began to hear that Apple Geniuses were recommending it to people!
AdwareMedic became, I believe, the first real challenge to adware
companies on the Mac platform. So much so that I saw adware responding
and changing behaviors based on AdwareMedic detections. At one point,
one piece of adware, called VSearch (also known as Pirrit), began
fighting back by modifying the content of the AdwareMedic website when
viewed from an infected machine… in the initial stages, by redirecting
the Download button to the MacKeeper website.
I fought back, of course, with scripts designed to detect those
modifications and show the user information about how to combat the
issue. The VSearch folks escalated each time, eventually going so far as
to block access to the AdwareMedic site by replacing the site’s content
in the infected browser with a fake “server not found” page.
This behavior directly resulted in Apple adding rules for VSearch to the XProtect antimalware feature in macOS.
rule VSearchA
{
meta:
description = "OSX.VSearch.A"
condition:
Macho and
filesize <= 2000000 and
( hash.sha1 ( 0 , filesize ) =="6c6acb179b232c0f1a6bb27699809320cc2c1529" or
hash.sha1 ( 0 , filesize ) =="cebb19fee8fd72c0975ea9a19feea3b5ce555f94" or
hash.sha1 ( 0 , filesize ) =="1503f1d7d275e976cd94cfd72929e0409e0cf76a" or
hash.sha1 ( 0 , filesize ) =="c50adfa949a70b33d77050d7f0e2f86bccbc25cf" or
hash.sha1 ( 0 , filesize ) =="40346b3946d7824d38f5ba71181f5c06805200af" )
}
Do you have time for a quick chat?
Next thing I knew, I got an e-mail from Malwarebytes CEO Marcin
Kleczynski. I didn’t know much about them, but what I read was
intriguing, and Marcin was very straightforward.
When I flew out to California for a meeting, I learned that Malwarebytes started out in an almost identical fashion. Marcin started out on
forums, after having infected the family computer. He built up a
foundation of knowledge, with the help of some friends made on forums,
and built a product. In a million years, I couldn’t have imagined a
better fit.
Once I was on board at Malwarebytes, a whole world of possibilities
opened up. With AdwareMedic, I had never dared to remove certain things.
My experience with Genieo made me gunshy. I simply couldn’t afford to
risk a lawsuit, and yet adding and later walking back a detection would
be nearly as bad, as it would show that I could be bullied into submission.
Malwarebytes does not tolerate PUPs (potentially unwanted programs), and isn’t afraid to go to court when threatened by PUP vendors. With Malwarebytes at my back, I was finally able to start doing things that AdwareMedic users had been requesting for a long time – like removal of MacKeeper!
The end…?
Thus ends the story of how I went from rabid Mac malware denier to a
creator and proponent of security software. If you were to ask me to sum
up with one single thing that pulled me in this direction, that thing
would be knowledge. It’s easy to have strong opinions in a position of ignorance. It’s also easy to keep those opinions if you never challenge your own preconceptions. But it’s very hard to maintain an opinion in
the face of contrary information, and you’ll never discover that information if you don’t seek it out.
Of course, this is only the end of the story of how I got here. I’ll
have more stories to tell from the trenches in the future, as I fully
intend to keep fighting the scumbags that are intent on turning my
favorite platform into a cesspool of malware and crapware.
My years of research and experience in the trenches taught me an
important lesson: people need help. It’s not their fault that they’re getting infected. The creators of malware, adware, and other unwanted programs are extremely good at tricking people, and they’re not going to stop. We’re slowly heading towards a world where Mac malware becomes as sophisticated as what’s seen on Windows.
Even now, not all threats involve tricking the user… sometimes, malware spreads through stealthy techniques that infect even the most savvy
among the tech community. As an example, read the story of how Panic,
Inc got hacked.
My request to you, dear reader, is this: *spread the word*. Mac malware
does exist. Mac adware is just a millimeter shy of malware, and you
don’t want that infection any more than you want malware. In fact, I’d willingly infect myself with certain pieces of malware before I would do
the same with most of the adware out there!
Am I saying you have to force your friends and family install antivirus software? No. I believe it is a useful tool for many people, but I also
admit it’s not a silver bullet. I make antivirus software, and I’m telling you my software is not, and never will be, perfect! Anyone
telling you differently about their own software is lying to you.
Whatever you do, if you are able, help those you know to stay safe
online, in whatever way suits them best. Just keep in mind that what
suits someone best is not always what suits you best… that’s a lesson I’ve learned the hard way, repeatedly.
Ref:- https://whitehatmac.com/how-i-became-a-mac-security-researcher/
Oh but we all know Macs can't get viruses. That's one of their selling points
to the &*^% that buy them!
In article <op.1v9ecfw2mvhs6z@ryzen.home>, Commander Kinsey
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
Oh but we all know Macs can't get viruses. That's one of their selling points
to the &*^% that buy them!
it's never been a selling point.
what was a selling point is that macs have significantly less malware
than windows.
Oh but we all know Macs can't get viruses. That's one of their selling
points
to the &*^% that buy them!
it's never been a selling point.
He was being facetious!
what was a selling point is that macs have significantly less malware
than windows.
Are you aware that Apple Support (by telephone) sometimes advocate the
use of Malwarebytes to scan Apple computers for malware?
How do you check YOUR Apple devices to ensure they are free from malware?
In article<aIwgL.1615353$YC96.1211872@fx12.ams1>, David G. Brooks <DavidB@always.invalid> wrote:
Oh but we all know Macs can't get viruses. That's one of their selling points
to the &*^% that buy them!
it's never been a selling point.
He was being facetious!
he was not.
this is a common (and false) claim of those who are ignorant about macs
and apple in general.
what was a selling point is that macs have significantly less malware than windows.
Are you aware that Apple Support (by telephone) sometimes advocate the
use of Malwarebytes to scan Apple computers for malware?
so what?
How do you check YOUR Apple devices to ensure they are free from malware?
what makes you think that's a desired goal?
On Nov 26, 2022, nospam wrote
(in article<261120221805030555%nospam@nospam.invalid>):
In article<aIwgL.1615353$YC96.1211872@fx12.ams1>, David G. Brooks
<DavidB@always.invalid> wrote:
Oh but we all know Macs can't get viruses. That's one of their selling >>>>> points
to the &*^% that buy them!
it's never been a selling point.
He was being facetious!
he was not.
Yep.
this is a common (and false) claim of those who are ignorant about macs
and apple in general.
Typically posted with comments about ‘Crapple’ and ’the Mac idiot tax’.
what was a selling point is that macs have significantly less malware
than windows.
Are you aware that Apple Support (by telephone) sometimes advocate the
use of Malwarebytes to scan Apple computers for malware?
so what?
Our David lacks the sense that God gave a goose.
How do you check YOUR Apple devices to ensure they are free from malware? >>what makes you think that's a desired goal?
Our David only has one working neuron. He can’t think.
On 27/11/2022 13:22, WolfFan wrote:
On Nov 26, 2022, nospam wrote
(in article<261120221805030555%nospam@nospam.invalid>):
In article<aIwgL.1615353$YC96.1211872@fx12.ams1>, David G. Brooks <DavidB@always.invalid> wrote:
Oh but we all know Macs can't get viruses. That's one of their selling
points
to the &*^% that buy them!
it's never been a selling point.
He was being facetious!
he was not.
Yep.
this is a common (and false) claim of those who are ignorant about macs and apple in general.
Typically posted with comments about ‘Crapple’ and ’the Mac idiot tax’.
what was a selling point is that macs have significantly less malware than windows.
Are you aware that Apple Support (by telephone) sometimes advocate the use of Malwarebytes to scan Apple computers for malware?
so what?
Our David lacks the sense that God gave a goose.
How do you check YOUR Apple devices to ensure they are free from malware?
what makes you think that's a desired goal?
Our David only has one working neuron. He can’t think.
Can YOU locate THIS post on the ASC forums?
https://jmp.sh/oXTukoC7
On Nov 27, 2022, David G. Brooks wrote
(in article <%9KgL.2607712$%q2.119780@fx15.ams1>):
On 27/11/2022 13:22, WolfFan wrote:
On Nov 26, 2022, nospam wrote
(in article<261120221805030555%nospam@nospam.invalid>):
In article<aIwgL.1615353$YC96.1211872@fx12.ams1>, David G. Brooks
<DavidB@always.invalid> wrote:
Oh but we all know Macs can't get viruses. That's one of their selling >>>>>>> points
to the &*^% that buy them!
it's never been a selling point.
He was being facetious!
he was not.
Yep.
this is a common (and false) claim of those who are ignorant about macs >>>> and apple in general.
Typically posted with comments about ‘Crapple’ and ’the Mac idiot
tax’.
what was a selling point is that macs have significantly less malware >>>>>> than windows.
Are you aware that Apple Support (by telephone) sometimes advocate the >>>>> use of Malwarebytes to scan Apple computers for malware?
so what?
Our David lacks the sense that God gave a goose.
How do you check YOUR Apple devices to ensure they are free from malware? >>>>what makes you think that's a desired goal?
Our David only has one working neuron. He can’t think.
Can YOU locate THIS post on the ASC forums?
https://jmp.sh/oXTukoC7
Vile one, I don’t click on your links. I especially don’t click on your deliberately obfuscated links. You know this. You know why. You’re scum.
On 27/11/2022 14:28, WolfFan wrote:
On Nov 27, 2022, David G. Brooks wrote
(in article <%9KgL.2607712$%q2.119780@fx15.ams1>):
On 27/11/2022 13:22, WolfFan wrote:
On Nov 26, 2022, nospam wrote
(in article<261120221805030555%nospam@nospam.invalid>):
In article<aIwgL.1615353$YC96.1211872@fx12.ams1>, David G. Brooks <DavidB@always.invalid> wrote:
Oh but we all know Macs can't get viruses. That's one of their selling
points
to the &*^% that buy them!
it's never been a selling point.
He was being facetious!
he was not.
Yep.
this is a common (and false) claim of those who are ignorant about macs
and apple in general.
Typically posted with comments about ‘Crapple’ and ’the Mac idiot tax’.
what was a selling point is that macs have significantly less malware
than windows.
Are you aware that Apple Support (by telephone) sometimes advocate the
use of Malwarebytes to scan Apple computers for malware?
so what?
Our David lacks the sense that God gave a goose.
How do you check YOUR Apple devices to ensure they are free from malware?
what makes you think that's a desired goal?
Our David only has one working neuron. He can’t think.
Can YOU locate THIS post on the ASC forums?
https://jmp.sh/oXTukoC7
Vile one, I don’t click on your links. I especially don’t click on your deliberately obfuscated links. You know this. You know why. You’re scum.
Kurt Lang has replied to my question. You can view the full discussion
in Communities.
*Seeking help for my friend. Can anyone assist, please*?
//Signing in here with a user's iCloud account (Apple ID) is how most
people do it. So it's very highly unlikely that was the reason for the ban.
But no, there's no security risk to simply create a new forum account. A login ID can be any verifiable email account you want. Yahoo, Google,
you name it. Just make sure to use a good password and turn on two
factor ID.//
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I've still got an email message if you'd like to see it.
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