• Our Falklands War: A Frontline Story

    From David Brooks@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 13 00:14:59 2022
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    Did you watch the BBC production this evening on BBC2? - Our Falklands
    War: A Frontline Story

    Forty years ago, British troops returned home victorious from a short
    and brutal war. This film is the story of ten ordinary men who fought on
    the front line alongside one another in the Falklands War.

    Very little of the frontline fighting on the islands was captured on
    film. So if you want to know what the Falklands War was really like, you
    need to ask the men who fought it.

    Tasked with liberating the Falkland Islands from Argentina, British
    troops set sail from England in April 1982, returning ten weeks later.
    In that time, their lives were changed forever.

    In their own words, with unflinching honesty and detail – some speaking
    for the first time – their stories revisit some of the most dramatic, impactful, bloody and life-changing moments of the war. For these men,
    it remains as vivid as they day they fought it.

    I was not there in the South Atlantic, but I was moved, almost to tears.

    Maybe you were too.

    Warmest regards,
    David

    PS. A link, if needed:- https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0018c8n/our-falklands-war-a-frontline-story

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Mon Jun 13 15:14:55 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 13/06/2022 00:14, David Brooks wrote:
    Did you watch the BBC production this evening on BBC2? - Our Falklands
    War: A Frontline Story

    Forty years ago, British troops returned home victorious from a short
    and brutal war. This film is the story of ten ordinary men who fought on
    the front line alongside one another in the Falklands War.

    Very little of the frontline fighting on the islands was captured on
    film. So if you want to know what the Falklands War was really like, you
    need to ask the men who fought it.

    Tasked with liberating the Falkland Islands from Argentina, British
    troops set sail from England in April 1982, returning ten weeks later.
    In that time, their lives were changed forever.

    In their own words, with unflinching honesty and detail – some speaking
    for the first time – their stories revisit some of the most dramatic, impactful, bloody and life-changing moments of the war. For these men,
    it remains as vivid as they day they fought it.

    I was not there in the South Atlantic, but I was moved, almost to tears.

    Maybe you were too.

    Warmest regards,
    David

    PS. A link, if needed:- https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0018c8n/our-falklands-war-a-frontline-story


    I sought out a Falklands veteran this morning - and hugged him. ❤️

    It's only now that the penny has finally dropped. We owe those warriors
    /so/ much. Let us all pray that the Ukrainian war doesn't spill over to
    kill our own sons and daughters as well it might.

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  • From J. J. Lodder@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Mon Jun 13 18:56:03 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    David Brooks <nomail@afraid.org> wrote:

    On 13/06/2022 00:14, David Brooks wrote:
    Did you watch the BBC production this evening on BBC2? - Our Falklands
    War: A Frontline Story

    Forty years ago, British troops returned home victorious from a short
    and brutal war. This film is the story of ten ordinary men who fought on the front line alongside one another in the Falklands War.

    Very little of the frontline fighting on the islands was captured on
    film. So if you want to know what the Falklands War was really like, you need to ask the men who fought it.

    Tasked with liberating the Falkland Islands from Argentina, British
    troops set sail from England in April 1982, returning ten weeks later.
    In that time, their lives were changed forever.

    In their own words, with unflinching honesty and detail – some speaking for the first time – their stories revisit some of the most dramatic, impactful, bloody and life-changing moments of the war. For these men,
    it remains as vivid as they day they fought it.

    I was not there in the South Atlantic, but I was moved, almost to tears.

    Maybe you were too.

    Warmest regards,
    David

    PS. A link, if needed:- https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0018c8n/our-falklands-war-a-frontline
    -story


    I sought out a Falklands veteran this morning - and hugged him. ??

    It's only now that the penny has finally dropped. We owe those warriors
    /so/ much.

    Sure. They made it possible for Margaret Thatcher to get reelected,

    Jan

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to J. J. Lodder on Mon Jun 13 23:11:37 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 13/06/2022 17:56, J. J. Lodder wrote:
    David Brooks <nomail@afraid.org> wrote:

    On 13/06/2022 00:14, David Brooks wrote:
    Did you watch the BBC production this evening on BBC2? - Our Falklands
    War: A Frontline Story

    Forty years ago, British troops returned home victorious from a short
    and brutal war. This film is the story of ten ordinary men who fought on >>> the front line alongside one another in the Falklands War.

    Very little of the frontline fighting on the islands was captured on
    film. So if you want to know what the Falklands War was really like, you >>> need to ask the men who fought it.

    Tasked with liberating the Falkland Islands from Argentina, British
    troops set sail from England in April 1982, returning ten weeks later.
    In that time, their lives were changed forever.

    In their own words, with unflinching honesty and detail – some speaking >>> for the first time – their stories revisit some of the most dramatic,
    impactful, bloody and life-changing moments of the war. For these men,
    it remains as vivid as they day they fought it.

    I was not there in the South Atlantic, but I was moved, almost to tears. >>>
    Maybe you were too.

    Warmest regards,
    David

    PS. A link, if needed:-
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0018c8n/our-falklands-war-a-frontline
    -story


    I sought out a Falklands veteran this morning - and hugged him. ??

    It's only now that the penny has finally dropped. We owe those warriors
    /so/ much.

    Sure. They made it possible for Margaret Thatcher to get reelected,


    Are you intimating that that was a good or a bad thing, Jan?

    They certainly proved that despite the failures of our politicians, and
    some senior service officers, the expertise of our men on the front line
    is amongst the finest in the world.

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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 14 07:52:48 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 13/06/2022 in message <uCOpK.190523$b21.82799@fx11.ams1> David Brooks
    wrote:

    It's only now that the penny has finally dropped. We owe those warriors >>>/so/ much.

    Sure. They made it possible for Margaret Thatcher to get reelected,


    Are you intimating that that was a good or a bad thing, Jan?

    They certainly proved that despite the failures of our politicians, and
    some senior service officers, the expertise of our men on the front line
    is amongst the finest in the world.

    We had a legal obligation to defend them so had no choice, in my view it
    was the right thing to do anyway. Margaret Thatcher set the UK up for the future by closing industries we couldn't compete in and trying to move us towards being a meritocracy, it's only the socialist diehards (and
    probably the Scots) who don't appreciate that.

    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home.
    (Ken Olson, president Digital Equipment, 1977)

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Tue Jun 14 12:19:54 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 14/06/2022 08:52, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    On 13/06/2022 in message <uCOpK.190523$b21.82799@fx11.ams1> David Brooks wrote:

    It's only now that the penny has finally dropped. We owe those warriors >>>> /so/ much.

    Sure. They made it possible for Margaret Thatcher to get reelected,


    Are you intimating that that was a good or a bad thing, Jan?

    They certainly proved that despite the failures of our politicians, and
    some senior service officers, the expertise of our men on the front
    line is amongst the finest in the world.

    We had a legal obligation to defend them so had no choice, in my view it
    was the right thing to do anyway.

    Agreed. Defend them we did - but by the skin of our teeth!

    Margaret Thatcher set the UK up for
    the future by closing industries we couldn't compete in and trying to
    move us towards being a meritocracy, it's only the socialist diehards
    (and probably the Scots) who don't appreciate that.

    Thank you for expressing your views.

    I cannot envisage Great Britain ever releasing Scotland from the fold.

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  • From Peter Jason@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 15 11:38:00 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 00:14:59 +0100, David Brooks <nomail@afraid.org>
    wrote:

    Did you watch the BBC production this evening on BBC2? - Our Falklands
    War: A Frontline Story


    A diplomatic solution would have been better.
    What does GB want with two wind-swept desolate South Atlantic rocks?

    In the old days when nitrates were exported to Europe from the
    Chilean fields, and GB was a great maritime power, a base there made
    scence to keep a wary eye on the Germans and French sailing round the
    horn before WW1.

    Now there is a death toll on both sides, and a vast expense to GB to
    maintain its pride and prop up the denizens who eke out a living
    there.



    Was it worth it? Well, it got the Baroness re-elected!

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Peter Jason on Wed Jun 15 06:41:39 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 15/06/2022 02:38, Peter Jason wrote:
    On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 00:14:59 +0100, David Brooks <nomail@afraid.org>
    wrote:

    Did you watch the BBC production this evening on BBC2? - Our Falklands
    War: A Frontline Story


    A diplomatic solution would have been better.

    I agree.

    What does GB want with two wind-swept desolate South Atlantic rocks?

    I believe it may be about oil - minerals too.

    In the old days when nitrates were exported to Europe from the
    Chilean fields, and GB was a great maritime power, a base there made
    scence to keep a wary eye on the Germans and French sailing round the
    horn before WW1.

    One always has to be wary!

    Now there is a death toll on both sides, and a vast expense to GB to
    maintain its pride and prop up the denizens who eke out a living
    there.

    I cannot argue with that.

    Was it worth it? Well, it got the Baroness re-elected!

    Our service personnel serve our monarch, not the politicians.

    I'd be interested to learn if you have any thoughts about the Ukrainian situation. Perhaps you think that 'we', the west, should simply allow
    Russia to take whatever land they wish by force. Can you see a solution
    to the current impasse?

    --
    David

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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to Peter Jason on Wed Jun 15 07:28:36 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 15/06/2022 in message <hgdiahp19k6fqqh9n3se51b5bt0kd537ke@4ax.com>
    Peter Jason wrote:

    On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 00:14:59 +0100, David Brooks <nomail@afraid.org>
    wrote:

    Did you watch the BBC production this evening on BBC2? - Our Falklands
    War: A Frontline Story


    A diplomatic solution would have been better.
    What does GB want with two wind-swept desolate South Atlantic rocks?

    We have a legal obligation to defend the Falklands and, thanks to
    Thatcher, we met it. If they want independence they can have it I'm sure
    but they obviously don't.


    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    There is absolutely no substitute for a genuine lack of preparation

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  • From Graham J@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Wed Jun 15 08:57:54 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    Jeff Gaines wrote:
    On 15/06/2022 in message <hgdiahp19k6fqqh9n3se51b5bt0kd537ke@4ax.com>
    Peter Jason wrote:

    On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 00:14:59 +0100, David Brooks <nomail@afraid.org>
    wrote:

    Did you watch the BBC production this evening on BBC2? - Our Falklands
    War: A Frontline Story


    A diplomatic solution would have been better.
    What does GB want with two wind-swept desolate South Atlantic rocks?

    We have a legal obligation to defend the Falklands and,  thanks to
    Thatcher, we met it. If they want independence they can have it I'm sure
    but they obviously don't.


    The military action was needed because of a failure of military
    intelligence (or possibly of UK Government blindness). All the Sunday
    papers in the UK were warning of an Argentinian attack weeks before it
    actually took place. Of course it would have been expensive for the UK
    to have sent a sufficiently large defensive force to deter an
    Argentinian invasion, but nothing like the cost of the operation to take
    back the islands once the Argentinians were in occupation!

    In the same way closing the UK's borders to all incoming travellers in
    February 2020 (as I suggested here at the time) would have cost far less
    than the lockdown which started on 23 March 2020.

    Similarly, the Russian action against Ukraine which started in 2014
    should have prompted the rest of the world to increase diplomatic
    pressure to prevent further Russian expansionist moves; and should
    therefore have made it impossible for them to advance into Ukraine on 24 February this year.

    This is not the wisdom of hindsight. It shows the failure of
    understanding of the situations at the time, in the face of compelling
    evidence easily available to well-informed people.



    --
    Graham J

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  • From J. J. Lodder@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Wed Jun 15 11:24:41 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    Jeff Gaines <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

    On 13/06/2022 in message <uCOpK.190523$b21.82799@fx11.ams1> David Brooks wrote:

    It's only now that the penny has finally dropped. We owe those warriors >>>/so/ much.

    Sure. They made it possible for Margaret Thatcher to get reelected,


    Are you intimating that that was a good or a bad thing, Jan?

    They certainly proved that despite the failures of our politicians, and >some senior service officers, the expertise of our men on the front line
    is amongst the finest in the world.

    We had a legal obligation to defend them so had no choice, in my view it
    was the right thing to do anyway. Margaret Thatcher set the UK up for the future by closing industries we couldn't compete in and trying to move us towards being a meritocracy, it's only the socialist diehards (and
    probably the Scots) who don't appreciate that.

    I agree that you can't be more meritocratic than the Boris,

    Jan

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  • From Anonymous@21:1/5 to J. J. Lodder on Wed Jun 15 21:36:22 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
    Jeff Gaines <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

    On 13/06/2022 in message <uCOpK.190523$b21.82799@fx11.ams1> David Brooks
    wrote:

    It's only now that the penny has finally dropped. We owe those warriors >>>>> /so/ much.

    Sure. They made it possible for Margaret Thatcher to get reelected,


    Are you intimating that that was a good or a bad thing, Jan?

    They certainly proved that despite the failures of our politicians, and
    some senior service officers, the expertise of our men on the front line >>> is amongst the finest in the world.

    We had a legal obligation to defend them so had no choice, in my view it
    was the right thing to do anyway. Margaret Thatcher set the UK up for the
    future by closing industries we couldn't compete in and trying to move us
    towards being a meritocracy, it's only the socialist diehards (and
    probably the Scots) who don't appreciate that.

    I agree that you can't be more meritocratic than the Boris,

    Jan


    I think mediocre might be a better word

    --
    Jonbo

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  • From whisky-dave@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Thu Jun 16 06:29:34 2022
    On Wednesday, 15 June 2022 at 06:41:43 UTC+1, David Brooks wrote:
    On 15/06/2022 02:38, Peter Jason wrote:
    On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 00:14:59 +0100, David Brooks <nom...@afraid.org>
    wrote:

    Did you watch the BBC production this evening on BBC2? - Our Falklands
    War: A Frontline Story


    A diplomatic solution would have been better.
    I agree.

    Like that'd happen.

    What does GB want with two wind-swept desolate South Atlantic rocks?
    I believe it may be about oil - minerals too.

    Where's the evidence how much oil comes from the falklands or minerals.

    In the old days when nitrates were exported to Europe from the
    Chilean fields, and GB was a great maritime power, a base there made
    scence to keep a wary eye on the Germans and French sailing round the
    horn before WW1.
    One always has to be wary!
    Now there is a death toll on both sides, and a vast expense to GB to maintain its pride and prop up the denizens who eke out a living
    there.
    I cannot argue with that.
    Was it worth it? Well, it got the Baroness re-elected!
    Our service personnel serve our monarch, not the politicians.

    That isn't true they armed forces are to protect the residents of the countrry and it;s the politiontions
    who decide hwo and how much is spent.


    I'd be interested to learn if you have any thoughts about the Ukrainian situation. Perhaps you think that 'we', the west, should simply allow
    Russia to take whatever land they wish by force. Can you see a solution
    to the current impasse?

    Russia as a country should get rid of putin .


    --
    David

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  • From whisky-dave@21:1/5 to J. J. Lodder on Thu Jun 16 06:30:10 2022
    On Wednesday, 15 June 2022 at 10:24:43 UTC+1, J. J. Lodder wrote:
    Jeff Gaines <jgaines...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

    On 13/06/2022 in message <uCOpK.190523$b21....@fx11.ams1> David Brooks wrote:

    It's only now that the penny has finally dropped. We owe those warriors >>>/so/ much.

    Sure. They made it possible for Margaret Thatcher to get reelected,


    Are you intimating that that was a good or a bad thing, Jan?

    They certainly proved that despite the failures of our politicians, and >some senior service officers, the expertise of our men on the front line >is amongst the finest in the world.

    We had a legal obligation to defend them so had no choice, in my view it was the right thing to do anyway. Margaret Thatcher set the UK up for the future by closing industries we couldn't compete in and trying to move us towards being a meritocracy, it's only the socialist diehards (and
    probably the Scots) who don't appreciate that.
    I agree that you can't be more meritocratic than the Boris,

    Jan

    we could send the refugees to the falklands ;-)

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  • From David_B@21:1/5 to Anonymous on Thu Jun 16 16:04:43 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    Anonymous <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
    Jeff Gaines <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

    On 13/06/2022 in message <uCOpK.190523$b21.82799@fx11.ams1> David Brooks >>> wrote:

    It's only now that the penny has finally dropped. We owe those warriors >>>>>> /so/ much.

    Sure. They made it possible for Margaret Thatcher to get reelected,


    Are you intimating that that was a good or a bad thing, Jan?

    They certainly proved that despite the failures of our politicians, and >>>> some senior service officers, the expertise of our men on the front line >>>> is amongst the finest in the world.

    We had a legal obligation to defend them so had no choice, in my view it >>> was the right thing to do anyway. Margaret Thatcher set the UK up for the >>> future by closing industries we couldn't compete in and trying to move us >>> towards being a meritocracy, it's only the socialist diehards (and
    probably the Scots) who don't appreciate that.

    I agree that you can't be more meritocratic than the Boris,

    Jan


    I think mediocre might be a better word

    You had better be careful what you say here on these two Usenet groups.
    There are some here who will think that your posts are being made by me!

    A much better word is charismatic - in my opinion, of course!

    Kind regards,

    --
    David_B

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  • From Peter Jason@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 17 07:23:16 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On Wed, 15 Jun 2022 06:41:39 +0100, David Brooks <nomail@afraid.org>
    wrote:

    On 15/06/2022 02:38, Peter Jason wrote:
    On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 00:14:59 +0100, David Brooks <nomail@afraid.org>
    wrote:

    Did you watch the BBC production this evening on BBC2? - Our Falklands
    War: A Frontline Story


    A diplomatic solution would have been better.

    I agree.

    What does GB want with two wind-swept desolate South Atlantic rocks?

    I believe it may be about oil - minerals too.

    In the old days when nitrates were exported to Europe from the
    Chilean fields, and GB was a great maritime power, a base there made
    scence to keep a wary eye on the Germans and French sailing round the
    horn before WW1.

    One always has to be wary!

    Now there is a death toll on both sides, and a vast expense to GB to
    maintain its pride and prop up the denizens who eke out a living
    there.

    I cannot argue with that.

    Was it worth it? Well, it got the Baroness re-elected!

    Our service personnel serve our monarch, not the politicians.

    I'd be interested to learn if you have any thoughts about the Ukrainian >situation. Perhaps you think that 'we', the west, should simply allow
    Russia to take whatever land they wish by force. Can you see a solution
    to the current impasse?

    It was ever thus. England gobbled up India and numerous other
    colonies. As did Germany & France. The Zionists continue the West
    Bank invasion. Frederick II took Silesia & all that coal. The USA
    was taken by everyone.
    Now Russia might settle for a partition and grab Eastern Ukraine &
    some Mediterranean coastline, if the stalemate continues.

    These are often matters for hierarchies, where the general population
    cares little for powers at the top so long as peace & progress
    continues. Putin might have sidled up to Ukraine & done a deal to
    give the president there a massive golden handshake to have that
    country a province of Russia.
    Did not England suffer many invasions over the last 1000 years during
    which the populace just "carried on"?

    The West must not punch the Russian Tar Baby.

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  • From David_B@21:1/5 to Peter Jason on Fri Jun 17 08:13:24 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 15 Jun 2022 06:41:39 +0100, David Brooks <nomail@afraid.org>
    wrote:

    On 15/06/2022 02:38, Peter Jason wrote:
    On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 00:14:59 +0100, David Brooks <nomail@afraid.org>
    wrote:

    Did you watch the BBC production this evening on BBC2? - Our Falklands >>>> War: A Frontline Story


    A diplomatic solution would have been better.

    I agree.

    What does GB want with two wind-swept desolate South Atlantic rocks?

    I believe it may be about oil - minerals too.

    In the old days when nitrates were exported to Europe from the
    Chilean fields, and GB was a great maritime power, a base there made
    scence to keep a wary eye on the Germans and French sailing round the
    horn before WW1.

    One always has to be wary!

    Now there is a death toll on both sides, and a vast expense to GB to
    maintain its pride and prop up the denizens who eke out a living
    there.

    I cannot argue with that.

    Was it worth it? Well, it got the Baroness re-elected!

    Our service personnel serve our monarch, not the politicians.

    I'd be interested to learn if you have any thoughts about the Ukrainian
    situation. Perhaps you think that 'we', the west, should simply allow
    Russia to take whatever land they wish by force. Can you see a solution
    to the current impasse?

    It was ever thus. England gobbled up India and numerous other
    colonies. As did Germany & France. The Zionists continue the West
    Bank invasion. Frederick II took Silesia & all that coal. The USA
    was taken by everyone.
    Now Russia might settle for a partition and grab Eastern Ukraine &
    some Mediterranean coastline, if the stalemate continues.

    These are often matters for hierarchies, where the general population
    cares little for powers at the top so long as peace & progress
    continues. Putin might have sidled up to Ukraine & done a deal to
    give the president there a massive golden handshake to have that
    country a province of Russia.
    Did not England suffer many invasions over the last 1000 years during
    which the populace just "carried on"?

    The West must not punch the Russian Tar Baby.

    Your thoughts read with interest, Peter.

    ‘Ordinary’ people don’t really care.

    --
    David_B

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