T i m <eternal@spaced.me.uk> wrote:
So, as part of her ongoing house move to my Sisters, Mum has given me
her old iPad that has been offline for some time but was syncing her
pictures and stuff between her new iPad and Phone via the iCloud when
last used (she ran her old and new iPads in parallel so she could take
one out and leave one at home but that caused even more issues with
Whatsapp so she stuck with the new one).
I've managed to obtain the new Apple ID-password (nephew changed it a
while back but couldn't remember doing so or what it was (and even when
we found it when he posted it to their group, he got the case wrong))
and have completed the two stage authentication thing with via daughter
talking to Mum on her Portal. ;-)
So I've installed iTunes (W10) and believe I've backed her old iPad up
but to back up her photos I believe I'm supposed to run the Windows
iCloud app and do it from there?
Except when I install / run it, I get 'Upgrade to iCloud for Windows
13.4 failed. Please reboot and try again (error 101).' I reboot but
nothing changes.
I have Googled to learning how much money is on her iCloud account, I've
Googled to how to de-authorise the 5 PC's we probably no longer have and
re-authorised this one (Googling because I didn't find it intuitive) so
now I think I'm heading in the right direction but I'd also be grateful
of any advice re what else I need to do to not lock myself out of this
iPad or impact her and her remaining devices / cloud whilst bing sure I
have an archive of her pictures here 'in case' etc please?
I don’t like being the bearer of bad news but this seems to be an ongoing issue with both Apple and Microsoft seemingly blaming each other. I’ve never used iCloud for Windows thank god!
<https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/upgrade-to-icloud-for-windows-130-failed/c522b9bd-a79d-47c8-b4df-5ad4363aa417>
So, as part of her ongoing house move to my Sisters, Mum has given me
her old iPad that has been offline for some time but was syncing her
pictures and stuff between her new iPad and Phone via the iCloud when
last used (she ran her old and new iPads in parallel so she could take
one out and leave one at home but that caused even more issues with
Whatsapp so she stuck with the new one).
I've managed to obtain the new Apple ID-password (nephew changed it a
while back but couldn't remember doing so or what it was (and even when
we found it when he posted it to their group, he got the case wrong))
and have completed the two stage authentication thing with via daughter talking to Mum on her Portal. ;-)
So I've installed iTunes (W10) and believe I've backed her old iPad up
but to back up her photos I believe I'm supposed to run the Windows
iCloud app and do it from there?
Except when I install / run it, I get 'Upgrade to iCloud for Windows
13.4 failed. Please reboot and try again (error 101).' I reboot but
nothing changes.
I have Googled to learning how much money is on her iCloud account, I've Googled to how to de-authorise the 5 PC's we probably no longer have and re-authorised this one (Googling because I didn't find it intuitive) so
now I think I'm heading in the right direction but I'd also be grateful
of any advice re what else I need to do to not lock myself out of this
iPad or impact her and her remaining devices / cloud whilst bing sure I
have an archive of her pictures here 'in case' etc please?
So I've installed iTunes (W10) and believe I've backed her old iPad up
but to back up her photos I believe I'm supposed to run the Windows
iCloud app and do it from there?
Am I missing something here? Surely if the iPad [or whatever] is signed
in to the appropriate Apple ID then everything should just happen?
Assuming of course that both are on the same account.
Alan B wrote:
So I've installed iTunes (W10) and believe I've backed her old iPad up
but to back up her photos I believe I'm supposed to run the Windows
iCloud app and do it from there?
I have iTunes on W7 and can sync photos from PC to iPad. I think there's a setting to sync photos from iPad to PC - perhaps you can check yours?
I also think there is a sort-of file manager app for the iPad where files including photos can be exported to another machine on the LAN. Will look at mine later to see if I can identify this app.
It ought to be possible to attach the photos to an email as a more trustworthy
export mechanism, but probably that would be tedious if there are many photos.
You might have to update the iPad first.
Do you have (or could borrow) a modern desktop Mac which could perhaps import photos from the iPad? I know iTunes doesn't exist any more for the Mac, but perhaps there is a more modern app with file sharing capability?
At least with Windows, Microsoft knows it's crap, so they build in logging mechanisms so you can investigate and resolve the problems it reports.
David Kennedy wrote:
At least with Windows, Microsoft knows it's crap, so they build in logging mechanisms so you can investigate and resolve the problems it reports.
So, as part of her ongoing house move to my Sisters, Mum has given me
her old iPad that has been offline for some time but was syncing her
pictures and stuff between her new iPad and Phone via the iCloud when
last used (she ran her old and new iPads in parallel so she could take
one out and leave one at home but that caused even more issues with
Whatsapp so she stuck with the new one).
I've managed to obtain the new Apple ID-password (nephew changed it a
while back but couldn't remember doing so or what it was (and even when
we found it when he posted it to their group, he got the case wrong))
and have completed the two stage authentication thing with via daughter talking to Mum on her Portal. ;-)
So I've installed iTunes (W10) and believe I've backed her old iPad up
but to back up her photos I believe I'm supposed to run the Windows
iCloud app and do it from there?
Except when I install / run it, I get 'Upgrade to iCloud for Windows
13.4 failed. Please reboot and try again (error 101).' I reboot but
nothing changes.
I have Googled to learning how much money is on her iCloud account, I've Googled to how to de-authorise the 5 PC's we probably no longer have and re-authorised this one (Googling because I didn't find it intuitive) so
now I think I'm heading in the right direction but I'd also be grateful
of any advice re what else I need to do to not lock myself out of this
iPad or impact her and her remaining devices / cloud whilst bing sure I
have an archive of her pictures here 'in case' etc please?
Alan B wrote:
So I've installed iTunes (W10) and believe I've backed her old iPad up
but to back up her photos I believe I'm supposed to run the Windows
iCloud app and do it from there?
I have iTunes on W7 and can sync photos from PC to iPad. I think
there's a setting to sync photos from iPad to PC - perhaps you can check yours?
I also think there is a sort-of file manager app for the iPad where
files including photos can be exported to another machine on the LAN.
Will look at mine later to see if I can identify this app.
It ought to be possible to attach the photos to an email as a more trustworthy export mechanism, but probably that would be tedious if
there are many photos.
You might have to update the iPad first.
Do you have (or could borrow) a modern desktop Mac which could perhaps
import photos from the iPad? I know iTunes doesn't exist any more for
the Mac, but perhaps there is a more modern app with file sharing
capability?
Alan B wrote:
So I've installed iTunes (W10) and believe I've backed her old iPad up
but to back up her photos I believe I'm supposed to run the Windows
iCloud app and do it from there?
I have iTunes on W7 and can sync photos from PC to iPad. I think
there's a setting to sync photos from iPad to PC - perhaps you can check yours?
As far as using iCloud with Windows goes, yeah, that’s never been a good experience, I tried it with my wife’s old Windows laptop, but it was never reliable linking to the Windows software.
I have the iCloud installed here that was for W V7/8 and that seems to
run ok but I can't see how to archive all (14k) photos to this PC using
that. Maybe I'll see if I can upgrade that to the latest iCloud app and
see if that then runs.
On 01/07/2022 09:11, T i m wrote:
<snip>
I have the iCloud installed here that was for W V7/8 and that seems toUpdate, I've found where you can download the iCloud photos and that's
run ok but I can't see how to archive all (14k) photos to this PC
using that. Maybe I'll see if I can upgrade that to the latest iCloud
app and see if that then runs.
in the System tray app. (Download Photos > All). But initially I didn't
see a progress bar
and so started it twice and it now says it's
downloading 29K items when I think there are only 14k, so it looks like
it might be doing it twice. That's no problem as such as long as it
doesn't duplicate them all in a way that's difficult to clear up.
T i m wrote:
On 01/07/2022 09:11, T i m wrote:
<snip>
I have the iCloud installed here that was for W V7/8 and that seemsUpdate, I've found where you can download the iCloud photos and that's
to run ok but I can't see how to archive all (14k) photos to this PC
using that. Maybe I'll see if I can upgrade that to the latest iCloud
app and see if that then runs.
in the System tray app. (Download Photos > All). But initially I
didn't see a progress bar
Windows Task Manager will show you network traffic (and many other
things) so that is useful to see downloading progress.
and so started it twice and it now says it's downloading 29K items
when I think there are only 14k, so it looks like it might be doing it
twice. That's no problem as such as long as it doesn't duplicate them
all in a way that's difficult to clear up.
Task manager will show you the running applications - so you could see
the two that downloading the photos, and "End task" one of them.
But
this might leave the communication with iCloud in an unhealthy state.
Surely there's a kosher "abort" option in the system tray app for iCloud?
Alan B wrote:
So I've installed iTunes (W10) and believe I've backed her old iPad up
but to back up her photos I believe I'm supposed to run the Windows
iCloud app and do it from there?
I have iTunes on W7 and can sync photos from PC to iPad. I think
there's a setting to sync photos from iPad to PC - perhaps you can check yours?
I also think there is a sort-of file manager app for the iPad where
files including photos can be exported to another machine on the LAN.
Will look at mine later to see if I can identify this app.
On 30/06/2022 14:33, Andy Hewitt wrote:
<snip>
As far as using iCloud with Windows goes, yeah, that’s never been a good >> experience, I tried it with my wife’s old Windows laptop, but it was
never
reliable linking to the Windows software.
<snip>
When we first set Mum up with an iCloud account (with help from the good
folk here) to sync between her iPad and iPhone and then two iPads and
iPhone and monitored it on my (MacMini / XP) running the iCloud program
it all seemed to work pretty well and reliably?
I have now imported all ~8k photos from her old iPad onto this W10
machine (that may be low res) using W10's picture import and I believe
there are ~14k photos (and videos etc) on her iCloud account.
So *all* I need to do right now is sever the link between her old iPad
and the Apple stores / iTunes / iCloud entities in a way that leaves everything on everything but this old iPad.
I've had a look at 'Resetting / selling your iPad' on the Apple sire but
it only seems to relate to iOS versions as old as V13 and this one is
running V9 so I have no idea how directly any of it applies. I have
logged the iPad out of the apple Store (is it) and that was ok but when
I go to do so from the iCloud it warns about deleting all photos and
videos from the iPad that are held in the iCloud. At that point I
stopped as a slight misinterpretation of the wording could end up in tears.
I have the iCloud installed here that was for W V7/8 and that seems to
run ok but I can't see how to archive all (14k) photos to this PC using
that. Maybe I'll see if I can upgrade that to the latest iCloud app and
see if that then runs.
Cheers, T i m
p.s. I found and tried installing the Home Assistant app from the app
store but it told me it wasn't suitable for that iPad. The Android
version installs ok on my old SGS7. When I use Safari to access the WEB interface on my Odroid N2+ Home Assistant server it gives the start of
the login screen than hangs. I'll see if I can install another browser
and try that.
I also think there is a sort-of file manager app for the iPad where
files including photos can be exported to another machine on the LAN.
Will look at mine later to see if I can identify this app.
You can do a lot with the 'Files' app there, or were you thing of
'Documents' by Readdle? Which is a very powerful file manager for all
the devices.
p.s. I found and tried installing the Home Assistant app from the app
store but it told me it wasn't suitable for that iPad. The Android
version installs ok on my old SGS7. When I use Safari to access the WEB interface on my Odroid N2+ Home Assistant server it gives the start of
the login screen than hangs. I'll see if I can install another browser
and try that.
On 1 Jul 2022 at 09:11:29 BST, "T i m" <eternal@spaced.me.uk> wrote:
p.s. I found and tried installing the Home Assistant app from the app
store but it told me it wasn't suitable for that iPad. The Android
version installs ok on my old SGS7. When I use Safari to access the WEB
interface on my Odroid N2+ Home Assistant server it gives the start of
the login screen than hangs. I'll see if I can install another browser
and try that.
The Home Assistant iOS app is just a wrapper for the web interface.
It can be
a bit flaky. You're better off just using a browser. I've never had any issues
using Safari and Firefox on a Mac and iPad with HA installed on a Raspberry Pi
3, but I now have it running on a Mac Mini.
On 01/07/2022 09:11, T i m wrote:
On 30/06/2022 14:33, Andy Hewitt wrote:
<snip>
As far as using iCloud with Windows goes, yeah, that’s never been a good >>> experience, I tried it with my wife’s old Windows laptop, but it was
never
reliable linking to the Windows software.
<snip>
When we first set Mum up with an iCloud account (with help from the
good folk here) to sync between her iPad and iPhone and then two iPads
and iPhone and monitored it on my (MacMini / XP) running the iCloud
program it all seemed to work pretty well and reliably?
I have now imported all ~8k photos from her old iPad onto this W10
machine (that may be low res) using W10's picture import and I believe
there are ~14k photos (and videos etc) on her iCloud account.
So *all* I need to do right now is sever the link between her old iPad
and the Apple stores / iTunes / iCloud entities in a way that leaves
everything on everything but this old iPad.
I've had a look at 'Resetting / selling your iPad' on the Apple sire
but it only seems to relate to iOS versions as old as V13 and this one
is running V9 so I have no idea how directly any of it applies. I have
logged the iPad out of the apple Store (is it) and that was ok but
when I go to do so from the iCloud it warns about deleting all photos
and videos from the iPad that are held in the iCloud. At that point I
stopped as a slight misinterpretation of the wording could end up in
tears.
I see your point there, but yeah, what it's warning you about is that it
is deleting stuff that's locally stored on the iPad, so anything you
haven't uploaded to the cloud will be deleted forever. Anything in the
cloud is safe.
What you *don't* want to do is delete anything *before* you log out of
the iCloud on that device, as that will then sync the deletions across
the cloud.
As long as a device is fully updated with the sync (scroll to the bottom
of the 'All Photos' screen under Library and look for 'Updated just now').
If you see that, then you can just run the Reset procedure.
One thing I'd do first, just as a precaution, is turn off the Find My
option in iCloud Settings.
It will then wipe all the user data on the device, and reset to a
factory startup. At this point, you can turn it off, ready to sell, or
set it up for a new user.
I see you've also locally stores the originals on the new iPad, so
that's also a good local storage (assuming the files have copied OK - anything on cloud storage shouldn't be considered safe or 'backed up').
I have the iCloud installed here that was for W V7/8 and that seems to
run ok but I can't see how to archive all (14k) photos to this PC
using that. Maybe I'll see if I can upgrade that to the latest iCloud
app and see if that then runs.
Not sure there, I've very little experience with the Windows software
for iCloud, apart from the occasional look - such as I simply set it up
for the missus.
Cheers, T i m
p.s. I found and tried installing the Home Assistant app from the app
store but it told me it wasn't suitable for that iPad. The Android
version installs ok on my old SGS7. When I use Safari to access the
WEB interface on my Odroid N2+ Home Assistant server it gives the
start of the login screen than hangs. I'll see if I can install
another browser and try that.
Never seen Home Assistant before, so no idea what that does.
Andy Hewitt wrote:
[snip]
I also think there is a sort-of file manager app for the iPad where
files including photos can be exported to another machine on the LAN.
Will look at mine later to see if I can identify this app.
You can do a lot with the 'Files' app there, or were you thing of
'Documents' by Readdle? Which is a very powerful file manager for all
the devices.
Yes it is "Files". Was part of an upgrade in the last year or so ...
So, as part of her ongoing house move to my Sisters, Mum has given me
her old iPad that has been offline for some time but was syncing her
pictures and stuff between her new iPad and Phone via the iCloud when
last used (she ran her old and new iPads in parallel so she could take
one out and leave one at home but that caused even more issues with
Whatsapp so she stuck with the new one).
I've managed to obtain the new Apple ID-password (nephew changed it a
while back but couldn't remember doing so or what it was (and even when
we found it when he posted it to their group, he got the case wrong))
and have completed the two stage authentication thing with via daughter talking to Mum on her Portal. ;-)
So I've installed iTunes (W10) and believe I've backed her old iPad up
but to back up her photos I believe I'm supposed to run the Windows
iCloud app and do it from there?
Except when I install / run it, I get 'Upgrade to iCloud for Windows
13.4 failed. Please reboot and try again (error 101).'
I reboot but
nothing changes.
I have Googled to learning how much money is on her iCloud account, I've Googled to how to de-authorise the 5 PC's we probably no longer have and re-authorised this one (Googling because I didn't find it intuitive) so
now I think I'm heading in the right direction but I'd also be grateful
of any advice re what else I need to do to not lock myself out of this
iPad or impact her and her remaining devices / cloud whilst bing sure I
have an archive of her pictures here 'in case' etc please?
Cheers, T i m
On 01/07/2022 11:54, Andy Hewitt wrote:
Never seen Home Assistant before, so no idea what that does.
Home Assistant is an open source Home Automation software solution that
can be run on a Raspberry Pi, PC, Odroid or a VM.
https://www.home-assistant.io/
It allows the automation / monitoring / control of pretty well anything
you like or can buy compatible parts for or make yourself.
https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/
For example, our old Swish Autoglide electric curtains lost it's LCD
display so I couldn't adjust the open / close times. So I tacked a small relay board onto the manual push buttons on the front of the unit and
drove the relay board with an ESP32 microcontroller, flashed that with ESPHome and I now have full control over the curtains again. So I can
press the buttons on the front, or set a timer, or use sunrise / sunset
or those plus a condition of how dark it is (luminance sensor) and after closing the curtains, turning on a light and making sure the light is
turned off before the curtains are opened again. Plus I can add remote controls allowing either of us to remotely open, close or stop the
curtains from a small wireless (Zigbee) remote.
And I can have PIR triggered lights that come on as I move though the
house and turn off automatically if no movement is detected. I can
measure the power consumption of the whole house and of several
individual devices. I can manage the humidity of a room with a
dehumidifier (used as a clothes drying room) and get a notification to
my phone when the water container is full. I can another notification if
a monitored plant needs watering and can constantly monitor the CO2
levels in the bedroom and lounge, along with the air quality
(particulates) in the lounge. The electric blanket is turned on at 10pm
for one hour if the temperature in our bedroom drops below 10 degrees
and the lights in our back garden, and those in our neighbours back
garden turn on if it's below a certain light level and I open the back
door or movement is detected in the garden by the house.
The 3D printer is powered off after a print job or if there is an error.
You should like it because most people only use it locally, no Google or Amazon listening in to everything you are doing and meaning you don't
need Internet connection for it to all work.
<snip>
So, It looks like I've reset the iPad (thanks for the tips) and I just
need to see if I can find my Apple ID but as yet it's not been able to
log into my Home Assistant machine with Safari, just sitting at 'Initializing' and I can't find a better browser that is compatible with
that old iOS version?
https://community.home-assistant.io/t/ipad-ios-9-3-6-initializing-screen-old-ipad2-wont-work-but-vnc-does/214571/2
Can you install Linux on an iPad? ;-)
Personally, I'm just generally not a fan of all this home automation. I
feel we're already becoming too reliant on such things
want to reduce our movement?
But, yes, I do get it when it might become necessary, for when we become
less mobile/capable without the choice (perhaps using less automation
might delay the reduced mobility).
I'm having a heart scan on Monday, due to atrial fibrillation (triggered
from having Covid back in March), as I need corrective treatment for it.
We also have a bit of family history.
I have no intention of laying down
and automating everything,
which I really don't think would help me in
the slightest.
<snip>
So, It looks like I've reset the iPad (thanks for the tips) and I just
need to see if I can find my Apple ID but as yet it's not been able to
log into my Home Assistant machine with Safari, just sitting at
'Initializing' and I can't find a better browser that is compatible
with that old iOS version?
https://community.home-assistant.io/t/ipad-ios-9-3-6-initializing-screen-old-ipad2-wont-work-but-vnc-does/214571/2
That is the only thing I find with Open Source software, it can have a tendency to be more complex, and a bit more buggy.
Sometimes I think
there's too many chefs when it comes to some of them.
Can you install Linux on an iPad? ;-)
Funnily enough, I have actually considered that myself ;-)
Can you install Linux on an iPad? ;-)
T i m <eternal@spaced.me.uk> wrote:
Can you install Linux on an iPad? ;-)
Sorta:
https://ipadlinux.org/
On 01/07/2022 21:27, Andy Hewitt wrote:
<snip>
Personally, I'm just generally not a fan of all this home automation.
I feel we're already becoming too reliant on such things
So it seems you are happy with all the 'Smart' devices you are currently using phoning home all the time?
- do we really
want to reduce our movement?
It's not all about that though. For example, the lights turning on
throughout the house automatically on movement detection means that it's safer for the Mrs (especially) as she also has cataracts and so her low
light vision isn't that good. It's made worse when say carrying cups or things in / out of the rooms in that she has to turn on the lights or
leave them on for when she goes back.
There is also the 'You can manage what you can measure' aspect. What is
the CO2 level in your lounge in the winter OOI as high levels of CO2 can
have negative impact on our health, along with the particulate count.
What if you love plants, don't like letting them die from forgetting to
water them and then that upsets you, something that might not happen so easily if you have a notification on your phone or email?
It's good to be warned the de-humidifier has shut off because the water
tank is filled *before* you go out for the day as it could be working
for that time drying your clothes. I know some people are happy having
rigid routines, we aren't those people.
Oh, and very few of these 'smart' features are built into the house and
so 1) could be moved if we move and 2) can simply be overridden in any
case (like if the smart lamp is off and you want to turn it on by the
std switch you can).
So rather than stating the reasons why *you* know you wouldn't use /
like it, why don't you find out how it can really work or how others
might use it. ;-)
But, yes, I do get it when it might become necessary, for when we
become less mobile/capable without the choice (perhaps using less
automation might delay the reduced mobility).
Nothing to do with reducing mobility mate or I'm guessing you wouldn't
have a TV remote, wouldn't have a car and would still wash your clothes
in the stream. ;-)
I'm having a heart scan on Monday, due to atrial fibrillation
(triggered from having Covid back in March), as I need corrective
treatment for it. We also have a bit of family history.
Sorry to hear that.
I have no intention of laying down and automating everything,
Nor have I, with the justification of that in our setup probably being
1% of it. But if you consider walking up stairs to turn a electric
blanket on sufficient exercise over say walking the dog 5 miles (with a reasonably sustained raised heart-rate) then I could see your point.
which I really don't think would help me in the slightest.
See your exiting use of 'Smart' devices because they must suit *you* as
mine suit *my* reasons and I wasn't suggesting you liked what I like? I
only suggested you would like the Open Source bit (and you did) but I wouldn't have the range of things you do that are based in the cloud
because of 'security' (and much of the point of doing it *though* Home Assistant).
<snip>
So, It looks like I've reset the iPad (thanks for the tips) and I
just need to see if I can find my Apple ID but as yet it's not been
able to log into my Home Assistant machine with Safari, just sitting
at 'Initializing' and I can't find a better browser that is
compatible with that old iOS version?
https://community.home-assistant.io/t/ipad-ios-9-3-6-initializing-screen-old-ipad2-wont-work-but-vnc-does/214571/2
That is the only thing I find with Open Source software, it can have a
tendency to be more complex, and a bit more buggy.
True, that said, the setup they use with Home Assistant seems pretty
tight with a main team managing the core stuff and others contributing
their stuff to it.
Sometimes I think there's too many chefs when it comes to some of them.
There are several Home Automation solutions out there and so like Linus
there is certain amount of wasted energy with forking and duplication
but similarly they do mostly seem to play well together (the Dev teams)
and will often share stuff (often formally integrating others subsystems).
Can you install Linux on an iPad? ;-)
Funnily enough, I have actually considered that myself ;-)
I was quite excited that I had inherited Mums old iPad as I hoped I
could have a permanent portal for whole house control 'just because' (remember enjoying that reason). ;-)
But it looks like it actually can't be used for much as most new
software won't install on it. ;-(
There could be a workaround for Home Assistant and I've done some of it
but there is a bit more learning (it didn't 'just work' and can't simply
be explored / intuitively) so will have to be for another day.
Right, back round Mums to sort out the final bits ...
In article <m7-dnZ4_8s4bvF3_nZ2dnUU7-NnNnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, Andy
Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:
Washing in a machine is not home automation (and I've still to
understand why you really need Wi-Fi and automation on one of those -
you've still got to put the clothes in).
one reason is to alert you when it's done.
Washing in a machine is not home automation (and I've still to
understand why you really need Wi-Fi and automation on one of those -
you've still got to put the clothes in).
In article <m7-dnZ4_8s4bvF3_nZ2dnUU7-NnNnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, Andy
Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:
Washing in a machine is not home automation (and I've still to
understand why you really need Wi-Fi and automation on one of those -
you've still got to put the clothes in).
one reason is to alert you when it's done.
On 02 Jul 2022 at 11:59:18 BST, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <m7-dnZ4_8s4bvF3_nZ2dnUU7-NnNnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, Andy
Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:
Washing in a machine is not home automation (and I've still to
understand why you really need Wi-Fi and automation on one of those -
you've still got to put the clothes in).
one reason is to alert you when it's done.
Ours does that by beeping.
In article <m7-dnZ4_8s4bvF3_nZ2dnUU7-NnNnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, Andy
Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:
Washing in a machine is not home automation (and I've still to
understand why you really need Wi-Fi and automation on one of those -
you've still got to put the clothes in).
one reason is to alert you when it's done.
T i m <eternal@spaced.me.uk> wrote:
Can you install Linux on an iPad? ;-)
Sorta:
https://ipadlinux.org/
You can install Android on a few iPhones:
https://projectsandcastle.org/
but because they use a bootloader exploit you have to re-jailbreak them
every time they power cycle.
The UTM hypervisor might also allow you to run a virtualised Linux, although seems it's too new for iOS 9. Some other options listed here: https://github.com/utmapp/UTM/issues/405
Since Apple forces everyone to use Webkit, even for third party browsers, it looks like there are no newer browsers for iOS 9, even with jailbreaking. (jailbreak would remove the Webkit restriction, but such browsers would only work on jailbroken devices so there's a tiny market)
So I suppose a VNC style approach is likely the only way.
Washing in a machine is not home automation (and I've still to
understand why you really need Wi-Fi and automation on one of those -
you've still got to put the clothes in).
one reason is to alert you when it's done.
The machine bleeps to tell you.
Ours does it by getting my wife to shout please switch off the washing machine!
TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
On 02 Jul 2022 at 11:59:18 BST, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <m7-dnZ4_8s4bvF3_nZ2dnUU7-NnNnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, Andy
Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:
Washing in a machine is not home automation (and I've still to
understand why you really need Wi-Fi and automation on one of those -
you've still got to put the clothes in).
one reason is to alert you when it's done.
Ours does that by beeping.
Ours does it by getting my wife to shout “please switch off the washing machine!”
In article <t9pf7e$2k7nj$1@dont-email.me>, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Washing in a machine is not home automation (and I've still to
understand why you really need Wi-Fi and automation on one of those -
you've still got to put the clothes in).
one reason is to alert you when it's done.
The machine bleeps to tell you.
which may not be audible in larger houses, especially if laundry is on another floor, tv or music is playing, etc.
On 02/07/2022 16:45, nospam wrote:
In article <t9pf7e$2k7nj$1@dont-email.me>, Graeme Wall
<rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Washing in a machine is not home automation (and I've still to
understand why you really need Wi-Fi and automation on one of those - >>>>> you've still got to put the clothes in).
one reason is to alert you when it's done.
The machine bleeps to tell you.
which may not be audible in larger houses, especially if laundry is on
another floor, tv or music is playing, etc.
Or even smaller houses with those things going on or where a machine
only beeps a couple of times and not very loudly.
In article <t9pj59$2knkj$1@alanrichardbarker.eternal-september.org>,
Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.invalid> wrote:
Ours does it by getting my wife to shout ³please switch off the washing
machine!²
not all models come with that option, which may be a good thing :)
On 02/07/2022 17:57, T i m wrote:
On 02/07/2022 16:45, nospam wrote:
In article <t9pf7e$2k7nj$1@dont-email.me>, Graeme Wall
<rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Washing in a machine is not home automation (and I've still to
understand why you really need Wi-Fi and automation on one of those - >>>>>> you've still got to put the clothes in).
one reason is to alert you when it's done.
The machine bleeps to tell you.
which may not be audible in larger houses, especially if laundry is on
another floor, tv or music is playing, etc.
Or even smaller houses with those things going on or where a machine
only beeps a couple of times and not very loudly.
And of course you need to decide how important this all is?
How critical is it that you attend to this immediately?
Or can it wait
until the next time you happen to go past the machine?
If you're not in the house, what are you going to do about it?
Change
your plans, drive faster home?
I fail to see where it *really* helps. It's a gimmick.
There is another that seems to involve some sort of alternative HA
dashboard that doesn't assume stuff of the browser past the very basics
and whilst I've installed the HA bit of it (via the 3rd party add-ons repository), I haven't worked out how you are supposed to use it. I may involve some coding to form the dashboard 'view' and therefore the
chances are I'll be screwed, even if I get say Safari to connect to it:
https://github.com/resoai/TileBoard#readme
On 02/07/2022 18:07, Andy Hewitt wrote:
On 02/07/2022 17:57, T i m wrote:
On 02/07/2022 16:45, nospam wrote:
In article <t9pf7e$2k7nj$1@dont-email.me>, Graeme Wall
<rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Washing in a machine is not home automation (and I've still to
understand why you really need Wi-Fi and automation on one of
those -
you've still got to put the clothes in).
one reason is to alert you when it's done.
The machine bleeps to tell you.
which may not be audible in larger houses, especially if laundry is on >>>> another floor, tv or music is playing, etc.
Or even smaller houses with those things going on or where a machine
only beeps a couple of times and not very loudly.
And of course you need to decide how important this all is?
Or just do it because I want to?
How critical is it that you attend to this immediately?
If I need to get the clothes dry before the next day, very.
Or can it wait until the next time you happen to go past the machine?
Often, yes.
If you're not in the house, what are you going to do about it?
Nothing, obviously. And?
Change your plans, drive faster home?
Or not leave till the WM has finished. Of course, because of your indoor exercise regime you would walk to the WM every 30 seconds when it's
finish time was due to see if it had. ;-)
I prefer to be free to do something else, get a notification that the WM
had finished so I could hang the clothes up and then be free to go out, knowing the clothes had the best chance of drying before the next day.
*I* want to do it that way remember, I neither care nor expect you to
want to do the same. ;-)
But once again you are trying to justify this solution for you when you obviously neither need nor potentially understand why others might just *want* such a thing (and they obviously do). Just in the same way you
might *want* a 4K TV and I personally *don't*.
I fail to see where it *really* helps. It's a gimmick.
You don't need to see, you don't need it. However, others do or I'm
guessing they wouldn't set it up.
Cheers, T i m
p.s. Daughter, partner and the dog went up Scafell Pike the other day.
What was the point of that eh!? Oh, I remember, that's where they keep
the TV remote. ;-)
T i m <eternal@spaced.me.uk> wrote:
There is another that seems to involve some sort of alternative HA
dashboard that doesn't assume stuff of the browser past the very basics
and whilst I've installed the HA bit of it (via the 3rd party add-ons
repository), I haven't worked out how you are supposed to use it. I may
involve some coding to form the dashboard 'view' and therefore the
chances are I'll be screwed, even if I get say Safari to connect to it:
https://github.com/resoai/TileBoard#readme
In another context I've had a similar issue, where a wall display browser wasn't able to display a full website (for the Jenkins continuous
integration system). The solution for that was a plugin that generated static HTML, which the iPad 1 could display successfully. In that instance there was no interaction with the display - it just a wall image that refreshed every N seconds - but it was good enough.
I wouldn't be surprised if something like that existed for HA. It looks
like TileBoard is still a bit JS heavy, but I'm not clear if that's all running on the server rather than depending on the client.
I suppose HA is
a bit harder since you would like to interact with the controls, but maybe static is good enough for status reporting.
re TileBoard, did you do this: https://github.com/resoai/TileBoard-addon/blob/main/README.md#installation and then I think you go to:
http://<your-ha-server>:8123/local/tileboard/
assuming your server is on the default port of 8123.
Washing in a machine is not home automation (and I've still to
understand why you really need Wi-Fi and automation on one of those -
you've still got to put the clothes in).
On 2 Jul 2022 at 11:44:22 BST, "Andy Hewitt" <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:
Washing in a machine is not home automation (and I've still to
understand why you really need Wi-Fi and automation on one of those -
you've still got to put the clothes in).
We recently bought an air fryer. It beeps when it's finished cooking. The same
model is also available with WiFi connectivity.
Just an added extra to go wrong, and if you're cooking dinner are you really going to be so far away it would ever be useful.
Highly recommend air fryers by the way.
How critical is it that you attend to this immediately?
If I need to get the clothes dry before the next day, very.
? Immediately, or would within the next 10 minutes suffice. Talking
reality here.
Or not leave till the WM has finished.
Of course, because of your
indoor exercise regime you would walk to the WM every 30 seconds when
it's finish time was due to see if it had. ;-)
Or you could have set it going just before you leave the house. Or, I
could have simply checked the timer to see how long was left, and go
back a short while after that time.
p.s. Daughter, partner and the dog went up Scafell Pike the other day.
What was the point of that eh!? Oh, I remember, that's where they keep
the TV remote. ;-)
That's easy, 'because it's there' ;-). Been there got many T-shirts for
that one.
Perhaps they wanted to remain fit and healthy.
They might have just
wanted to walk the dog
using a robot, and save the bother of having to leave the house :-))
On 2 Jul 2022 at 11:44:22 BST, "Andy Hewitt" <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:
Washing in a machine is not home automation (and I've still to
understand why you really need Wi-Fi and automation on one of those -
you've still got to put the clothes in).
We recently bought an air fryer. It beeps when it's finished cooking. The same
model is also available with WiFi connectivity.
Just an added extra to go wrong,
and if you're cooking dinner are you really
going to be so far away it would ever be useful.
Highly recommend air fryers by the way.
Microwave ovens are quite efficient at cooking food but the end result
often doesn’t look and taste that appetising.
On 02/07/2022 23:03, Andy Hewitt wrote:
Dad took me fishing as a kid a few times (I think he felt it was his
duty <g>) but I soon gave it up as both pointless and unnecessarily
harmful to the fish. We currently cause *trillions* of sentient and intelligent creatures to suffocate to death every year, along with all
those who die as a result of 'by-catch' and the damage to their habitats (trawlers and animals caught up in lost fishing gear).
This is especially sad when it's mostly avoidable and so unnecessary.
Cheers, T i m
On 03/07/2022 12:09, T i m wrote:
[....]
Dad took me fishing as a kid a few times (I think he felt it was his
duty <g>) but I soon gave it up as both pointless and unnecessarily
harmful to the fish. We currently cause *trillions* of sentient and
intelligent creatures to suffocate to death every year, along with all
those who die as a result of 'by-catch' and the damage to their
habitats (trawlers and animals caught up in lost fishing gear).
This is especially sad when it's mostly avoidable and so unnecessary.
Cheers, T i m
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Is this, perhaps, why you have chosen to troll here in an Apple Mac
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Tim,
Take no notice of the group’s resident troll. He seems to have appointed himself as the group’s moderator which he most certainly is not. Long may you continue to post here from whatever device / OS you want.
On 03/07/2022 12:42, David Brooks wrote:
On 03/07/2022 12:09, T i m wrote:
[....]
Dad took me fishing as a kid a few times (I think he felt it was his
duty <g>) but I soon gave it up as both pointless and unnecessarily
harmful to the fish. We currently cause *trillions* of sentient and
intelligent creatures to suffocate to death every year, along with all
those who die as a result of 'by-catch' and the damage to their
habitats (trawlers and animals caught up in lost fishing gear).
This is especially sad when it's mostly avoidable and so unnecessary.
Cheers, T i m
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Hello T i m,
Hello David,
1) 'Is what'?
Is this, perhaps, why you have chosen to troll here in an Apple Mac
newsgroup when you actually use a Microsoft computer?
2) Could you please show me in the charter when I'm obliged to use an
Apple device / computer to access this newsgroup, or is it something you
have just made up?
3) Are you also harassing anyone else who isn't using an 'Apple Mac' to access this newsgroup or I might feel your harassment of me to be
personal and so victimisation?
From your message header ......
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:91.0)
Gecko/20100101
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Well done you! It's good to have a hobby. ;-)
You shouldn't be spamming for Avast either when you make posts on Usenet.
Thanks for that, hopefully now fixed?
<link unread>
See:
https://alt.windows7.general.narkive.com/62fbmRCI/avast-signature-is-it-harmful
On 03/07/2022 10:46, T i m wrote:
On 02/07/2022 23:03, Andy Hewitt wrote:
Yeah, like I said elsewhere, this went far too detailed. My comment was
meant as a general one regarding the use of automated home controls. My opinion and thought on it. That's all.
Clearly you don't agree with that, which is fine. But you've also
completely missed the point I was making.
On 03/07/2022 16:26, Alan B wrote:
<snip>
Tim,
<Waves>
Take no notice of the group’s resident troll. He seems to have appointed >> himself as the group’s moderator which he most certainly is not. Long may >> you continue to post here from whatever device / OS you want.
Well thank you kind sir. I don't really have much of a choice what to
post from, given the age of this iPad and finding a useable newsreader
that will still run on Tiger on my Mac Mini. ;-)
But on that, this old iPad is still in good nick (in spite of Mum
briefly dunking it in her foot spa!) and I would really like to use it
for something practical but I can't think what ... ideally something
that would make good use of it's screen, like a CCTv monitor or somesuch?
But on that, this old iPad is still in good nick (in spite of Mum
briefly dunking it in her foot spa!) and I would really like to use it
for something practical but I can't think what ... ideally something
that would make good use of it's screen, like a CCTv monitor or somesuch?
My old iPad 1 now acts as a music server
and electronic picture frame.
I
also use it as a lightbox for sorting 35mm slides.
Dad took me fishing as a kid a few times (I think he felt it was his
duty <g>) but I soon gave it up as both pointless and unnecessarily
harmful to the fish.
On 03/07/2022 16:26, Alan B wrote:
<snip>
Tim,
<Waves>
Take no notice of the groups resident troll. He seems to have appointed
himself as the groups moderator which he most certainly is not. Long may
you continue to post here from whatever device / OS you want.
Well thank you kind sir. I don't really have much of a choice what to
post from, given the age of this iPad and finding a useable newsreader
that will still run on Tiger on my Mac Mini. ;-)
On 03/07/2022 17:46, Graeme Wall wrote:
<snip>
But on that, this old iPad is still in good nick (in spite of Mum
briefly dunking it in her foot spa!) and I would really like to use
it for something practical but I can't think what ... ideally
something that would make good use of it's screen, like a CCTv
monitor or somesuch?
My old iPad 1 now acts as a music server
What, as 'wireless network music server' Graeme?
and electronic picture frame.
Ok, I get that and a good use of a good display etc. ;-)
I also use it as a lightbox for sorting 35mm slides.That's a clever idea. Sort of the inverse of using a dark screen as a
mirror. ;-)
Thanks.
Cheers, T i m
On Sun, 3 Jul 2022 16:47:48 +0100, T i m <eternal@spaced.me.uk> wrote:
On 03/07/2022 16:26, Alan B wrote:
<snip>
Tim,
<Waves>
Take no notice of the group’s resident troll. He seems to have appointed >>> himself as the group’s moderator which he most certainly is not. Long may >>> you continue to post here from whatever device / OS you want.
Well thank you kind sir. I don't really have much of a choice what to
post from, given the age of this iPad and finding a useable newsreader
that will still run on Tiger on my Mac Mini. ;-)
Gosh it's so long ago that I used Tiger, I've forgotten what I used!
Hopefully someone else will come to your rescue.
BTW I'm replying using a Windiows usenet client - I hope no-one minds
;)
T i m wrote:
[snip]
Dad took me fishing as a kid a few times (I think he felt it was his
duty <g>) but I soon gave it up as both pointless and unnecessarily
harmful to the fish.
More generally, if you're going to kill something, you have a duty to
eat it ...
On 03/07/2022 18:14, T i m wrote:
On 03/07/2022 17:46, Graeme Wall wrote:
<snip>
But on that, this old iPad is still in good nick (in spite of Mum
briefly dunking it in her foot spa!) and I would really like to use
it for something practical but I can't think what ... ideally
something that would make good use of it's screen, like a CCTv
monitor or somesuch?
My old iPad 1 now acts as a music server
What, as 'wireless network music server' Graeme?
Currently wired but I have an Airport Express in the cupboard that I
mean to try with it.
On 03/07/2022 12:42, David Brooks wrote:
On 03/07/2022 12:09, T i m wrote:
[....]
Dad took me fishing as a kid a few times (I think he felt it was his
duty <g>) but I soon gave it up as both pointless and unnecessarily
harmful to the fish. We currently cause *trillions* of sentient and
intelligent creatures to suffocate to death every year, along with
all those who die as a result of 'by-catch' and the damage to their
habitats (trawlers and animals caught up in lost fishing gear).
This is especially sad when it's mostly avoidable and so unnecessary.
Cheers, T i m
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Hello T i m,
Hello David,
Is this, perhaps, why you have chosen to troll here in an Apple Mac1) 'Is what'?
newsgroup when you actually use a Microsoft computer?
2) Could you please show me in the charter when I'm obliged to use an
Apple device / computer to access this newsgroup, or is it something you
have just made up?
3) Are you also harassing anyone else who isn't using an 'Apple Mac' to access this newsgroup or I might feel your harassment of me to be
personal and so victimisation?
From your message header ......
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:91.0)
Gecko/20100101
Thunderbird/91.6.1
Well done you! It's good to have a hobby. ;-)
You shouldn't be spamming for Avast either when you make posts on Usenet.
Thanks for that, hopefully now fixed?
See:
https://alt.windows7.general.narkive.com/62fbmRCI/avast-signature-is-it-harmful
<link unread>
Cheers, T i m
My old iPad 1 now acts as a music server
What, as 'wireless network music server' Graeme?
Currently wired but I have an Airport Express in the cupboard that I
mean to try with it.
Oh, sorry, how do you do that, run an iPad on Ethernet I mean? The
connector carries it via an adaptor or somesuch?
On 03/07/2022 12:29, Andy Hewitt wrote:
On 03/07/2022 10:46, T i m wrote:
On 02/07/2022 23:03, Andy Hewitt wrote:
Yeah, like I said elsewhere, this went far too detailed. My comment
was meant as a general one regarding the use of automated home
controls. My opinion and thought on it. That's all.
Clearly you don't agree with that, which is fine. But you've also
completely missed the point I was making.
Erm, ok ... so I think it might be best if we don't try to 'understand'
each other as it obviously doesn't work. ;-(
On 03/07/2022 18:24, Alan B wrote:
On Sun, 3 Jul 2022 16:47:48 +0100, T i m <eternal@spaced.me.uk> wrote:
On 03/07/2022 16:26, Alan B wrote:
<snip>
Tim,
<Waves>
Take no notice of the group’s resident troll. He seems to have
appointed
himself as the group’s moderator which he most certainly is not.
Long may
you continue to post here from whatever device / OS you want.
Well thank you kind sir. I don't really have much of a choice what to
post from, given the age of this iPad and finding a useable newsreader
that will still run on Tiger on my Mac Mini. ;-)
Gosh it's so long ago that I used Tiger, I've forgotten what I used!
Hehe. It's really the only version of OSX I've used much of at all. I
did spend quite a bit of time on OS9 but that was helping dads on his
old CRT iMac. ;-)
Hopefully someone else will come to your rescue.
Don't worry, TB seems to do a reasonable job but I still prefer my
really old copy of Forte Agent on my XP/MacMini.
BTW I'm replying using a Windiows usenet client - I hope no-one minds
;)
Oh no! You risk being put on Davids blacklist (that counts as a win in
my book, if you consider how much help he hasn't given). ;-)
As an aside, I get it if say a broadcast standard is changed (like the analogue to digital switch over) or if an OS goes 64 bit only it can't
carry on running on a 32bit system or that if the CPU moves to a
different type that they may not continue the old OS on the new CPU but
whist it seems we just 'accept' that there is likely to be a cut-off
point where it's considered by some party that whilst the OS may well
run on the older hardware, they don't allow it to because it would be
sub optimal? I am aware that with Windows / Windows drivers you can
often fool the installer checks and it will install on sub-optimal
hardware and if you are happy with that (because your needs are basic
etc) then that should be your call yes? 'Of course' it wouldn't be
supported (in that you wouldn't get formal tech support) but again, in
most cases you wouldn't expect to?
Like this iPad. If it would allow me to connect to my Home Assistant dashboard but just couldn't stream a security camera feed I wouldn't
care. All I would want it to do is display maybe a few slow moving dials (temperature, humidity, air pressure, CO2 levels, particulate levels
etc) and I wouldn't even need them to be real-time, plus the on / off / brightness status and control of a few lights and switches (that I would mostly interact with one at a time).
I wonder how much perfectly functional / viable kit ends up at the back
of a draw or in landfill, not because it's broken but simply because the manufacturer has decided it's finished? ;-(
It might be nice if it could have a 'second life' where the plans /
diagrams are released and it could be used by a lower spec but
functional system? What is in (or not in) this iPad that means it can't access my Home Assistant dashboard as a web client?
On 03/07/2022 19:52, Graeme Wall wrote:
On 03/07/2022 18:14, T i m wrote:
On 03/07/2022 17:46, Graeme Wall wrote:
<snip>
But on that, this old iPad is still in good nick (in spite of Mum
briefly dunking it in her foot spa!) and I would really like to use
it for something practical but I can't think what ... ideally
something that would make good use of it's screen, like a CCTv
monitor or somesuch?
My old iPad 1 now acts as a music server
What, as 'wireless network music server' Graeme?
Currently wired but I have an Airport Express in the cupboard that I
mean to try with it.
Oh, sorry, how do you do that, run an iPad on Ethernet I mean? The
connector carries it via an adaptor or somesuch?
Cheers, T i m
On 03/07/2022 16:47, T i m wrote:
On 03/07/2022 16:26, Alan B wrote:
<snip>
Tim,
<Waves>
Take no notice of the group’s resident troll. He seems to have appointed >>> himself as the group’s moderator which he most certainly is not. Long may >>> you continue to post here from whatever device / OS you want.
Well thank you kind sir. I don't really have much of a choice what to
post from, given the age of this iPad and finding a useable newsreader
that will still run on Tiger on my Mac Mini. ;-)
But on that, this old iPad is still in good nick (in spite of Mum
briefly dunking it in her foot spa!) and I would really like to use it
for something practical but I can't think what ... ideally something
that would make good use of it's screen, like a CCTv monitor or
somesuch?
My old iPad 1 now acts as a music server and electronic picture frame.
I also use it as a lightbox for sorting 35mm slides.
On 03/07/2022 19:52, Graeme Wall wrote:
On 03/07/2022 18:14, T i m wrote:
On 03/07/2022 17:46, Graeme Wall wrote:
<snip>
But on that, this old iPad is still in good nick (in spite of Mum
briefly dunking it in her foot spa!) and I would really like to use
it for something practical but I can't think what ... ideally
something that would make good use of it's screen, like a CCTv
monitor or somesuch?
My old iPad 1 now acts as a music server
What, as 'wireless network music server' Graeme?
Currently wired but I have an Airport Express in the cupboard that I
mean to try with it.
Oh, sorry, how do you do that, run an iPad on Ethernet I mean? The
connector carries it via an adaptor or somesuch?
Cheers, T i m
On 03/07/2022 20:00, T i m wrote:
On 03/07/2022 18:24, Alan B wrote:
BTW I'm replying using a Windiows usenet client - I hope no-one minds
;)
It's the usenet protocol that matters, to be fair.
Oh, sorry, how do you do that, run an iPad on Ethernet I mean? The connector carries it via an adaptor or somesuch?
There are some multi-port hubs available that have an Ethernet port. I
know I've seen them for USB-C for my iPad Pro. I'm pretty sure I've seen
them for Lightning too.
If you have the old wide iPhone connector, then you might be out of luck there.
Is this, perhaps, why you have chosen to troll here in an Apple Mac1) 'Is what'?
newsgroup when you actually use a Microsoft computer?
Your childhood experience of fishing.
2) Could you please show me in the charter when I'm obliged to use an
Apple device / computer to access this newsgroup, or is it something
you have just made up?
It was something which I made up.
3) Are you also harassing anyone else who isn't using an 'Apple Mac'
to access this newsgroup or I might feel your harassment of me to be
personal and so victimisation?
I don't wish you to feel victimised.
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Well done you! It's good to have a hobby. ;-)
It is indeed. Things aren't quite the same after one has 'removed' one's
mum. Things will never be the same again for you.
You shouldn't be spamming for Avast either when you make posts on
Usenet.
Thanks for that, hopefully now fixed?
See:
https://alt.windows7.general.narkive.com/62fbmRCI/avast-signature-is-it-harmful
It's fixed.
<link unread>
You missed a treat!
Cheers, T i m
Perhaps you should leave /this/ link unread too:- https://kirkwood40.blogspot.com/2017/06/lessons-learned-now-that-im-in-my-late.html
On 03/07/2022 20:46, David Brooks wrote:
<snip>
Is this, perhaps, why you have chosen to troll here in an Apple Mac1) 'Is what'?
newsgroup when you actually use a Microsoft computer?
Your childhood experience of fishing.
Erm, no, I doubt it very much. I 'got out' before the trauma took hold. ;-)
2) Could you please show me in the charter when I'm obliged to use an
Apple device / computer to access this newsgroup, or is it something
you have just made up?
It was something which I made up.
I guess so.
3) Are you also harassing anyone else who isn't using an 'Apple Mac'
to access this newsgroup or I might feel your harassment of me to be
personal and so victimisation?
I don't wish you to feel victimised.
Don't worry. That comment was offered in the same vein as I took your accusations. ;-)>
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Well done you! It's good to have a hobby. ;-)
It is indeed. Things aren't quite the same after one has 'removed'
one's mum. Things will never be the same again for you.
That's true and we were saying similar ourselves yesterday. When Dad was still alive *they* were often out and about doing all sorts of stuff but
the chances are whilst Mum was often happy, I don't suppose much of it
was her choice. When he went she was able do more things that
entertained her, until Covid, then for the first time I heard her
sounding 'down'. Getting the immeidate family Faebook Portals helped her quite a bit, as did giving her a rescued dog to look after and at least
she was seeing us when we went round to walk the dog she was looking
after as part of our Covid exercise.
hen we found a forever home for the dog and she moved into my sisters
house and bubble and that was the beginning of the end of her living
where she had for the last 40 years.
She's sill only about 30 minutes away and I'm hoping we will be able to
do more social stuff with her from now on. Because we chose to stay
local for all our parents, it was us that typically did all the chores
and we were the ones taking Mum to A&E at 5am when she had a fall or
some other medical emergency or appointment. Now that's their turn. ;-)
I will miss her big lawn for doing things like working on boats and her
big house for entertaining friends (with Mum), and the empty garage for storing / working on stuff.
You shouldn't be spamming for Avast either when you make posts on
Usenet.
Thanks for that, hopefully now fixed?
See:
https://alt.windows7.general.narkive.com/62fbmRCI/avast-signature-is-it-harmful
It's fixed.
Cool, thanks.
<link unread>
You missed a treat!
I'll take you word on that.
Will do ...
Cheers, T i m
Perhaps you should leave /this/ link unread too:-
https://kirkwood40.blogspot.com/2017/06/lessons-learned-now-that-im-in-my-late.html
I've had a look at 'Resetting / selling your iPad' on the Apple sire but
it only seems to relate to iOS versions as old as V13 and this one is
running V9 so I have no idea how directly any of it applies.
BTW I'm replying using a Windiows usenet client - I hope no-one minds
;)
Oh no! You risk being put on Davids blacklist (that counts as a win in
my book, if you consider how much help he hasn't given). ;-)
I bought a single / portable induction hob the other day and have used
it once (and found it ok) but we haven't been at home much recently
1) 'Is what'?
Is this, perhaps, why you have chosen to troll here in an Apple Mac
newsgroup when you actually use a Microsoft computer?
On 3 Jul 2022 at 16:11:02 BST, "T i m" <eternal@spaced.me.uk> wrote:
1) 'Is what'?
Is this, perhaps, why you have chosen to troll here in an Apple Mac
newsgroup when you actually use a Microsoft computer?
Most of us have effective pest control in our newsgroup readers, which means we don't see his posts. Unless someone responds to him.
Perhaps you should leave /this/ link unread too:-Will do ...
https://kirkwood40.blogspot.com/2017/06/lessons-learned-now-that-im-in-my-late.html
Did you peek?
In article <t9sr5p$34emh$1@dont-email.me>, T i m <eternal@spaced.me.uk> wrote:
My old iPad 1 now acts as a music server
What, as 'wireless network music server' Graeme?
Currently wired but I have an Airport Express in the cupboard that I
mean to try with it.
Oh, sorry, how do you do that, run an iPad on Ethernet I mean? The
connector carries it via an adaptor or somesuch?
there are adapters, although there's no advantage in doing so.
On 03/07/2022 23:33, David Brooks wrote:
<snip>
Perhaps you should leave /this/ link unread too:-Will do ...
https://kirkwood40.blogspot.com/2017/06/lessons-learned-now-that-im-in-my-late.html
Did you peek?
No, honestly I didn't / haven't and it's not like you get that much of a
clue about what it's about from the link (eg, If the content matches the
link text, if it's funny, informative, sarcastic etc).
I'll be happy to not click on any other links you suggest I shouldn't. ;-)
On 3 Jul 2022 at 10:58:36 BST, "T i m" <eternal@spaced.me.uk> wrote:
I bought a single / portable induction hob the other day and have used
it once (and found it ok) but we haven't been at home much recently
We've moved house a couple of times in the last 6 years and in both cases knocked down kitchen walls ripped out and refitted the kitchens.
A cheap Ikea single induction hob,
together with a microwave and a slow cooker
kept us fed.
Somtimes for 3-4 months including Christmas in both cases.
T i m <eternal@spaced.me.uk> wrote:
[snip]
BTW I'm replying using a Windiows usenet client - I hope no-one minds
;)
Oh no! You risk being put on Davids blacklist (that counts as a win in
my book, if you consider how much help he hasn't given). ;-)
Well he’s certainly on my blacklist / killfile. I’m only aware of his presence when someone replies to him.
My advice is to be very careful how
much personal information you divulge online.
On 04/07/2022 05:03, Alan B wrote:
T i m <eternal@spaced.me.uk> wrote:
[snip]
BTW I'm replying using a Windiows usenet client - I hope no-one minds
;)
Oh no! You risk being put on Davids blacklist (that counts as a win in
my book, if you consider how much help he hasn't given). ;-)
Well he’s certainly on my blacklist / killfile. I’m only aware of his
presence when someone replies to him.
<noted>
My advice is to be very careful howThanks. I am very conscious of only putting online what I would want
much personal information you divulge online.
read online. ;-)
On 01/07/2022 09:11, T i m wrote:
I've had a look at 'Resetting / selling your iPad' on the Apple sire
but it only seems to relate to iOS versions as old as V13 and this one
is running V9 so I have no idea how directly any of it applies.
Have you looked in the Internet Archive / Wayback Machine?
nospam wrote:
In article <t9sr5p$34emh$1@dont-email.me>, T i m <eternal@spaced.me.uk>
wrote:
My old iPad 1 now acts as a music server
What, as 'wireless network music server' Graeme?
Currently wired but I have an Airport Express in the cupboard that I
mean to try with it.
Oh, sorry, how do you do that, run an iPad on Ethernet I mean? The
connector carries it via an adaptor or somesuch?
there are adapters, although there's no advantage in doing so.
At one point I was considering using an iPad as my only field support
tool for network hardware, so bought an adapter. That way I can
communicate with non-wireless routers, intelligent network switches, and
the like. The adapter works well.
There are possibly versions of Thunderbird that might still work (I
think you can download older versions if needed). Or the trusty old
MacSOUP might still do it.
I'm still thinking that for me a permanently on CCTV display might be
handy, like a peephole for a front door and could potentially be a hard
wired / USB cam and if I could get such (and have it connected along
with powering the iPad) may not need anything 'extra' software-wise?
Continuously recording would also be handy though. ;-)
Do we know if an iPad can act as a network hose, to be a file / music
server / NAS? I ask because I thought there was something about
sandboxing and why you can't control an iPad with the likes of
Teamviewer, even though IT can be a TV client?
Yeah, a mate recently flipped his kitchen .....
[1] It's a Morphy Richards 'Saute & soup' and it initially worked very
well.
On 2022-07-03, Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:
There are possibly versions of Thunderbird that might still work (I
think you can download older versions if needed). Or the trusty old
MacSOUP might still do it.
I've got a copy of the final MacSOUP release (via another ucsm poster)
but I'm not sure it's Tiger and/or PowerPC compatible. It's quite
small so can easily be emailed if Tim is interested.
In article <t9ubb1$3be3p$1@dont-email.me>, T i m <eternal@spaced.me.uk> wrote:
Do we know if an iPad can act as a network hose, to be a file / music
server / NAS? I ask because I thought there was something about
sandboxing and why you can't control an iPad with the likes of
Teamviewer, even though IT can be a TV client?
it 'can', but why bother.
that's not what it was designed for
so at
best, it will be a lot of effort and not very good.
get an actual nas, that's designed to do what you want.
That's the sort of thing I was thinking of Graham and the app seems to
look like it will install on this old iPad (I need to sort out my Apple
ID to check fully).
On 4 Jul 2022 at 08:50:40 BST, "T i m" <eternal@spaced.me.uk> wrote:
[1] It's a Morphy Richards 'Saute & soup' and it initially worked very
well.
We've had two of the same, mother-in-law has had one, they've all popped
the same way. I suspect steam into the brain board causing corrosion and intermittent fails.
I would be interested to learn the actual power consumption (it suggests
12W), assuming it to be worse at night if the IR LED'S are turned on dynamically?
T i m wrote:
[snip]
I'm still thinking that for me a permanently on CCTV display might be
handy, like a peephole for a front door and could potentially be a
hard wired / USB cam and if I could get such (and have it connected
along with powering the iPad) may not need anything 'extra'
software-wise?
Continuously recording would also be handy though. ;-)
I got a Reolink IP camera (E1 Outdoor) for a bit over £80. It connects
to my router (either Wifi or cable) so is available to any device on the
LAN with a browser or via a Reolink app. A browser is needed for
initial setup, and for managing the recording - you need a micro SD
memory card installed in the camera for this to work.
There is an app for the iPad - it works reasonably well. The iPad
connects to my router (WiFi only)
12W), assuming it to be worse at night if the IR LED'S are turned on dynamically?
You could set up remote access so that you could see who is at your
Mum's door.
T i m wrote:
[snip]
That's the sort of thing I was thinking of Graham and the app seems to
look like it will install on this old iPad (I need to sort out my
Apple ID to check fully).
I see lots of reports here of people forgetting or not knowing their
Apple ID. Ususally the reports are from good samaritans trying to help unsophisticated ordinary users.
Do you think Apple did any research into this concept as to whether
"ordinary users" could cope with it?
that's not what it was designed for
Quite, but the chances are I can't use it for what it was 'designed for'
so it's matter of looking to see what things I *could* use it for, even
if those roles are sub-optimal?
T i m wrote:
[snip]
That's the sort of thing I was thinking of Graham and the app seems to
look like it will install on this old iPad (I need to sort out my
Apple ID to check fully).
I see lots of reports here of people forgetting or not knowing their
Apple ID.
Ususally the reports are from good samaritans trying to help
unsophisticated ordinary users.
Do you think Apple did any research into this concept as to whether
"ordinary users" could cope with it?
T i m wrote:
[snip]
I would be interested to learn the actual power consumption (it
suggests >12W), assuming it to be worse at night if the IR LED'S are
turned on dynamically?
I will measure it tomorrow.
In article <t9v340$3dsm2$1@dont-email.me>, T i m <eternal@spaced.me.uk> wrote:
that's not what it was designed for
Quite, but the chances are I can't use it for what it was 'designed for'
so it's matter of looking to see what things I *could* use it for, even
if those roles are sub-optimal?
if you can't use the ipad for what it's designed for, you're not going
to have much success in getting it to do things for which it was not.
In article <t9v340$3dsm2$1@dont-email.me>, T i m <eternal@spaced.me.uk> wrote:
that's not what it was designed for
Quite, but the chances are I can't use it for what it was 'designed for'
so it's matter of looking to see what things I *could* use it for, even
if those roles are sub-optimal?
if you can't use the ipad for what it's designed for, you're not going
to have much success in getting it to do things for which it was not.
On 04/07/2022 19:33, nospam wrote:
In article <t9v340$3dsm2$1@dont-email.me>, T i m <eternal@spaced.me.uk>
wrote:
that's not what it was designed for
Quite, but the chances are I can't use it for what it was 'designed for' >>> so it's matter of looking to see what things I *could* use it for, even
if those roles are sub-optimal?
if you can't use the ipad for what it's designed for, you're not going
to have much success in getting it to do things for which it was not.
Given mine is too old to do what it was designed for, it can barely
display the odd website for instance, it is useful to see what it can be repurposed for.
Playing music and acting as a lightbox it still does
very well and as I have a need for both those functions it can carry on
doing it.
that's not what it was designed for
Quite, but the chances are I can't use it for what it was 'designed for' >> so it's matter of looking to see what things I *could* use it for, even
if those roles are sub-optimal?
if you can't use the ipad for what it's designed for, you're not going
to have much success in getting it to do things for which it was not.
Given mine is too old to do what it was designed for,
it can barely
display the odd website for instance,
it is useful to see what it can be
repurposed for. Playing music and acting as a lightbox it still does
very well and as I have a need for both those functions it can carry on
doing it.
that's not what it was designed for
Quite, but the chances are I can't use it for what it was 'designed for' >> so it's matter of looking to see what things I *could* use it for, even
if those roles are sub-optimal?
if you can't use the ipad for what it's designed for, you're not going
to have much success in getting it to do things for which it was not.
Luckily my world isn't binary so I wouldn't be looking for it to do
something for which it wasn't designed but maybe do something that it
might not excel at but would be better (in the way of provided
functionality) than not having that functionality at all.
Like, Palemoon might not be as fully featured as Firefox but if it works
on some hardware that Firefox doesn't then that may be a perfectly
acceptable compromise / solution.
On 04/07/2022 12:31, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:
On 4 Jul 2022 at 08:50:40 BST, "T i m" <eternal@spaced.me.uk> wrote:
[1] It's a Morphy Richards 'Saute & soup' and it initially worked very
well.
We've had two of the same, mother-in-law has had one, they've all popped
the same way. I suspect steam into the brain board causing corrosion and
intermittent fails.
Oh, thanks for that feedback Jaimie, that should save me a few quid! ;-)
Did either of you buy an alternative that you have had more luck with
and if so what please?
Cheers, T i m
In article <t9vi3i$3fe6e$3@dont-email.me>, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
that's not what it was designed for
Quite, but the chances are I can't use it for what it was 'designed for' >>>> so it's matter of looking to see what things I *could* use it for, even >>>> if those roles are sub-optimal?
if you can't use the ipad for what it's designed for, you're not going
to have much success in getting it to do things for which it was not.
Given mine is too old to do what it was designed for,
it still does what it was designed for.
it can barely
display the odd website for instance,
that odd website has changed. your ipad was not designed to display
websites designed many years into the future from when the ipad was
made, using web technology that didn't exist at that time.
it is useful to see what it can be
repurposed for. Playing music and acting as a lightbox it still does
very well and as I have a need for both those functions it can carry on
doing it.
there are a lot of lightweight tasks it can still do, however, turning
it into a nas to serve music is not among them, something which is
*well* outside of its design envelope.
T i m wrote:
[snip]
I would be interested to learn the actual power consumption (it
suggests >12W), assuming it to be worse at night if the IR LED'S are
turned on dynamically?
I will measure it tomorrow.
On 04/07/2022 22:33, nospam wrote:
there are a lot of lightweight tasks it can still do, however, turning
it into a nas to serve music is not among them, something which is
*well* outside of its design envelope.
Don't give a shit, it's actually doing it. Try taking your blinkers off
and join the real world.
In article <t9vi3i$3fe6e$3@dont-email.me>, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
that's not what it was designed for
Quite, but the chances are I can't use it for what it was 'designed for' >>>> so it's matter of looking to see what things I *could* use it for, even >>>> if those roles are sub-optimal?
if you can't use the ipad for what it's designed for, you're not going
to have much success in getting it to do things for which it was not.
Given mine is too old to do what it was designed for,
it still does what it was designed for.
it can barely
display the odd website for instance,
that odd website has changed. your ipad was not designed to display
websites designed many years into the future from when the ipad was
made, using web technology that didn't exist at that time.
it is useful to see what it can be
repurposed for. Playing music and acting as a lightbox it still does
very well and as I have a need for both those functions it can carry on
doing it.
there are a lot of lightweight tasks it can still do, however, turning
it into a nas to serve music is not among them, something which is
*well* outside of its design envelope.
In article <t9vdd5$3evbh$1@dont-email.me>, T i m <eternal@spaced.me.uk> wrote:
that's not what it was designed for
Quite, but the chances are I can't use it for what it was 'designed for' >>>> so it's matter of looking to see what things I *could* use it for, even >>>> if those roles are sub-optimal?
if you can't use the ipad for what it's designed for, you're not going
to have much success in getting it to do things for which it was not.
Luckily my world isn't binary so I wouldn't be looking for it to do
something for which it wasn't designed but maybe do something that it
might not excel at but would be better (in the way of provided
functionality) than not having that functionality at all.
i didn't say anything was binary.
an ipad can do a *lot* of things, but it can't do everything. nothing
can.
the farther out you get from its design envelope, the more compromises
there will be.
trying to turn an ipad into a nas to serve music is technically
possible but it's not what ipads were designed to do.
Like, Palemoon might not be as fully featured as Firefox but if it works
on some hardware that Firefox doesn't then that may be a perfectly
acceptable compromise / solution.
what hardware would that be?
older firefox versions still exist for older hardware.
Did either of you buy an alternative that you have had more luck with
and if so what please?
We got a decent stick blender instead, just make soups in a stainless
pot.
Graham J wrote:
T i m wrote:
[snip]
I would be interested to learn the actual power consumption (it
suggests >12W), assuming it to be worse at night if the IR LED'S are
turned on dynamically?
I will measure it tomorrow.
amera connect to LAN by Ethernet cable,
iPad monitoring the camera:
Daytime
Power drawn 3.6W
Power factor reported at 63% (Wall-wart switched-mode PSU)
It goes up to about 5W while moving for pan & tilt
Power same at 3.6W when nothing monitoring the camera.
There are 4 white LEDs which can be switched on from the app to give a
colour image at night. These increase power drawn to 7.8W so the LEDs
take 4.2W
I will check again tonight with the IR lights on.
On 04/07/2022 22:33, nospam wrote:
it is useful to see what it can be
repurposed for. Playing music and acting as a lightbox it still does
very well and as I have a need for both those functions it can carry on
doing it.
there are a lot of lightweight tasks it can still do, however, turning
it into a nas to serve music is not among them, something which is
*well* outside of its design envelope.
Don't give a shit, it's actually doing it. Try taking your blinkers off
and join the real world.
Power drawn 3.6W
Power factor reported at 63% (Wall-wart switched-mode PSU)
On 4 Jul 2022 at 17:15:31 BST, "T i m" <eternal@spaced.me.uk> wrote:
Did either of you buy an alternative that you have had more luck with
and if so what please?
Cheers, T i m
We got a decent stick blender instead, just make soups in a stainless
pot.
Have you looked in the Internet Archive / Wayback Machine?No, I haven't Bruce (so thanks for the heads up) but as I'm not really familiar with the iPad world yet, I didn't think such a thing would
exist (eg, the only things I could get were those things offer by the
App store).
Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:
[...]
Power drawn 3.6W
Power factor reported at 63% (Wall-wart switched-mode PSU)
I'm mystified by that. Most SMPS use a rectifier and capacitor to give
DC for the switcher circuit. This means that current is only drawn at
the peaks of the voltage cycle and the current waveform is nothing like sinusoidal. Power factor is usually calculated from the phase angle
between two sinusoidal waveforms, so that is a meaningless concept when
one of them isn't sinusoidal.
The formal way of defining power factor is the ratio between the
'wattless' power which flows in and out of a reactance and the actual
energy, in Watts, taken by the device and not returned during some other
part of the cycle. In this case, there is very little reactance (apart
from the suppression capacitors), so that version of power factor is
also meaningless.
And a vote for air fryers - but not much talk of the limitations. Which I'd list as size/weight, noise, smell they can chuck out, can be a faff to clean (but I just chuck it in the dishwasher every so often), and portions size.
But food they do tends to be very tasty, done in about half the time.
On 04/07/2022 09:29, T i m wrote:
Have you looked in the Internet Archive / Wayback Machine?No, I haven't Bruce (so thanks for the heads up) but as I'm not really
familiar with the iPad world yet, I didn't think such a thing would
exist (eg, the only things I could get were those things offer by the
App store).
I was thinking more in terms of being able to see what Apple advised
back then. Any software downloads etc won't be available.
I have installed Android software outside of the Play Store so wasn't
sure if that was also possible with this old iPad,
assuming the app was
no longer available in the App store
but was still available to download
from an (unofficial even) archive?
Have you looked in the Internet Archive / Wayback Machine?No, I haven't Bruce (so thanks for the heads up) but as I'm not really familiar with the iPad world yet, I didn't think such a thing would
exist (eg, the only things I could get were those things offer by the
App store).
I was thinking more in terms of being able to see what Apple advised
back then. Any software downloads etc won't be available.
In article <ta11m6$3m5mr$1@dont-email.me>, T i m <eternal@spaced.me.uk> wrote:
Given mine is too old to do what it was designed for,
it still does what it was designed for.
Whoosh. You are missing the point mate. It was 'designed' to be a web
browsing tool and no it can't be a(n effective) web browsing tool.
it was designed for much, much, much more than just web browsing, all
of which it still can do.
some sites might not work but that's the browser, not the device. find
a newer browser and those sites will work.
the problem is that developers aren't interested in writing such
browsers for older hardware and operating systems because there's no
benefit in doing so.
'Of
course' we know that things move on yadda yadda but that doesn't change
the real world fact that that particular old iPad is no long able to do
what it was designed to do, as described / accepted by most people using
those words in that way.
it still does and always will do exactly what it was designed to do.
Of course not, that now renders it incapable of continuing to provide *a
role* for which it was designed, in just the same way an analogue TV
would no longer be able to display the broadcasts from a digital
service. No one would necessarily blame the appliance for not being able
to handle such a change but it has now become incapable of doing what it
was designed for (display broadcast TV)
it can display digital broadcast tv with a converter box. even a
raspberry pi can convert it. it can also display content from a vcr,
dvd player, etc.
the other problem is the display isn't as good as with modern tvs.
in other words, it's still possible, but the compromises needed to do
it become a problem.
I will check again tonight with the IR lights on.
In article <ta11m6$3m5mr$1@dont-email.me>, T i m <eternal@spaced.me.uk> wrote:
Given mine is too old to do what it was designed for,
it still does what it was designed for.
Whoosh. You are missing the point mate. It was 'designed' to be a web
browsing tool and no it can't be a(n effective) web browsing tool.
it was designed for much, much, much more than just web browsing, all
of which it still can do.
some sites might not work but that's the browser, not the device. find
a newer browser and those sites will work.
the problem is that developers aren't interested in writing such
browsers for older hardware and operating systems because there's no
benefit in doing so.
'Of
course' we know that things move on yadda yadda but that doesn't change
the real world fact that that particular old iPad is no long able to do
what it was designed to do, as described / accepted by most people using
those words in that way.
it still does and always will do exactly what it was designed to do.
Of course not, that now renders it incapable of continuing to provide *a
role* for which it was designed, in just the same way an analogue TV
would no longer be able to display the broadcasts from a digital
service. No one would necessarily blame the appliance for not being able
to handle such a change but it has now become incapable of doing what it
was designed for (display broadcast TV)
it can display digital broadcast tv with a converter box. even a
raspberry pi can convert it. it can also display content from a vcr,
dvd player, etc.
the other problem is the display isn't as good as with modern tvs.
in other words, it's still possible, but the compromises needed to do
it become a problem.
In article <ta10kc$3m2dm$1@dont-email.me>, T i m <eternal@spaced.me.uk> wrote:
Luckily my world isn't binary so I wouldn't be looking for it to do
if you can't use the ipad for what it's designed for, you're not going >>>>> to have much success in getting it to do things for which it was not. >>>>
something for which it wasn't designed but maybe do something that it
might not excel at but would be better (in the way of provided
functionality) than not having that functionality at all.
i didn't say anything was binary.
I'm afraid you did:
"if you can't use the ipad for what it's designed for, you're not going
to have much success in getting it to do things for which it was not."
that's not binary.
you start with the basics and then work up to non-standard tasks.
that's a continuum, the very opposite of binary.
The inference there is that I specifically intended to try to use this
old iPad for something it was not designed and that was not the case.
Eg, the chances are to do that I would have to jailbreak or some
otherway modify the unit to be something it wasn't designed to be or do
and that wasn't my primary goal.
no, that's not the inference at all.
you 'can' do it, it's just that the effort involved is not worth it.
a raspberry pi is *much* easier and a much better choice for a nas that serves audio and video. another option is an older mac or windows pc.
an ipad can do a *lot* of things, but it can't do everything. nothing
can.
Never suggested or expected that it could?
the farther out you get from its design envelope, the more compromises
there will be.
Quite possibly, but there is a big difference (even) between some
compromise and it simply not being able to do what it was not designed.
there's a point at which the compromises needed are too great for it to
be worthwhile.
trying to turn an ipad into a nas to serve music is technically
possible but it's not what ipads were designed to do.
But if it can do it it doesn't matter what the design limitations were
does it? If I wanted to use it as a vegetable chopping board but in
washing it stops it functioning 'as designed', how would that impact my
use of it as an effective chopping board?
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhGUZ5Vk0As>
Like, Palemoon might not be as fully featured as Firefox but if it works >>>> on some hardware that Firefox doesn't then that may be a perfectly
acceptable compromise / solution.
what hardware would that be?
'some hardware'? A hypothetical situation for the purposes of an example
of a point.
so no such hardware exists.
older firefox versions still exist for older hardware.
Ah, another binary answer to a question that wasn't asked. ;-(
nope. you said palemoon would work on hardware when firefox would not,
yet you can't name such hardware.
no matter the hardware, an older version of firefox would also work,
which is a better choice than palemoon anyway, as are various other
browsers.
T i m wrote:
[snip]
I will check again tonight with the IR lights on.
IR lights came on automatically at about 21:40 - certainly dusk, but
still light enough to read outdoors.
Power consumption increased to 5.7W so about 2.1W for them. There's a semicircular ring of 12 IR LEDs - they glow very faintly red.
In article <ta1s05$3osja$1@dont-email.me>, T i m <eternal@spaced.me.uk> wrote:
I have installed Android software outside of the Play Store so wasn't
sure if that was also possible with this old iPad,
it is possible.
assuming the app was
no longer available in the App store
it's up to app developers whether their apps are still on the app store
if you kept a copy of the app, you could reinstall it but there's no guarantee it will still work. the main reason why developers remove old
apps is because the apps have been discontinued and no longer work.
but was still available to download
from an (unofficial even) archive?
that's piracy.
" ..... many times over my 40+ years in 'IT'...."
On 05/07/2022 19:32, nospam wrote:
In article <ta1s05$3osja$1@dont-email.me>, T i m <eternal@spaced.me.uk>
wrote:
I have installed Android software outside of the Play Store so wasn't
sure if that was also possible with this old iPad,
it is possible.
Ok thanks.
assuming the app was
no longer available in the App store
it's up to app developers whether their apps are still on the app store
Ok.
if you kept a copy of the app,
you could reinstall it but there's no
guarantee it will still work. the main reason why developers remove old
apps is because the apps have been discontinued and no longer work.
Understood. I'm guessing that works both ways as well, not just new apps
not working on older kit but older apps not working on newer hardware?
Whilst it may be technically, if it's only not possible to do it
'officially' because of some arbitrary decision and not denying anyone
any income and isn't incurring anyone any extra effort (support etc), it
may be considered acceptable by many.
On 04/07/2022 18:01, Graham J wrote:
T i m wrote:
[snip]
That's the sort of thing I was thinking of Graham and the app seems
to look like it will install on this old iPad (I need to sort out my
Apple ID to check fully).
I'll have a look though my eMails and see if they have sent me anything
as I can probably wing it from there (or make up a new one in the
meantime). ;-)
I found several emails from Apple that gave me my Apple ID and from
there I was able to recover my password ...
On 04/07/2022 19:54, T i m wrote:
On 04/07/2022 18:01, Graham J wrote:
T i m wrote:
[snip]
That's the sort of thing I was thinking of Graham and the app seems
to look like it will install on this old iPad (I need to sort out my
Apple ID to check fully).
<snip>
I'll have a look though my eMails and see if they have sent me anything
as I can probably wing it from there (or make up a new one in the
meantime). ;-)
I found several emails from Apple that gave me my Apple ID and from
there I was able to recover my password and gain access to the iCloud
stuff. From there I was able to install the Reolink app and the one
needed to view my CCTV unit.
This opens up a couple of potential roles for this old iPad. ;-)
I was also wondering what I might need to be able to view a Samba share
(eg, a recommended network file browser) as I might also be able to play
the NetworkTV recordings? I've already installed VLC etc.
T i m wrote:
[snip]
I found several emails from Apple that gave me my Apple ID and from
there I was able to recover my password ...
So if an apparently knowledgeable person who uses this newsgroup is only
able to recover his Apple ID by luck, then the whole concept seems to be mis-conceived.
What on earth were Apple thinking?
T i m wrote:
[snip]
I found several emails from Apple that gave me my Apple ID and from
there I was able to recover my password ...
So if an apparently knowledgeable person who uses this newsgroup is only
able to recover his Apple ID by luck, then the whole concept seems to be mis-conceived.
What on earth were Apple thinking?
I was also wondering what I might need to be able to view a Samba share
(eg, a recommended network file browser) as I might also be able to play
the NetworkTV recordings? I've already installed VLC etc.
I don't know if this helps but Documents: Media File Manager by Readdle
can access SMB shares. It's made by Readdle and available in the iOS /
iPadOS App Store. I've used it to transfer data to/from my iPhone and
iPad. It also available for Silicon Macs now but I've not used it on
my M1 Mac.
On 07 Jul 2022 at 10:46:47 BST, Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:
T i m wrote:
[snip]
I found several emails from Apple that gave me my Apple ID and from
there I was able to recover my password ...
So if an apparently knowledgeable person who uses this newsgroup is only
able to recover his Apple ID by luck, then the whole concept seems to be
mis-conceived.
What on earth were Apple thinking?
Well the answer is you write it down. I could never remember mine, so I got a new one each time it was needed (rare, as I don't use icloud or the App Store). But each time I did that, it invalidated my Apple Developer app-specific passwords, which was a pain in the dong. Took me a while to figure out that geeting the new AppleID was the problem.
T i m wrote:
[snip]
I found several emails from Apple that gave me my Apple ID and from
there I was able to recover my password ...
So if an apparently knowledgeable person who uses this newsgroup is only
able to recover his Apple ID by luck, then the whole concept seems to be mis-conceived.
What on earth were Apple thinking?
TimS wrote:
On 07 Jul 2022 at 10:46:47 BST, Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:
T i m wrote:
[snip]
I found several emails from Apple that gave me my Apple ID and from
there I was able to recover my password ...
So if an apparently knowledgeable person who uses this newsgroup is only >>> able to recover his Apple ID by luck, then the whole concept seems to be >>> mis-conceived.
What on earth were Apple thinking?
Well the answer is you write it down. I could never remember mine, so I got a
new one each time it was needed (rare, as I don't use icloud or the App
Store). But each time I did that, it invalidated my Apple Developer
app-specific passwords, which was a pain in the dong. Took me a while to
figure out that getting the new AppleID was the problem.
And presumably you are doing Apple Development, so you really should
have been aware of the problem up front. Crazy!
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