My sis has an iMac 13,2, 8GB RAM, 1TB HD (no SSD).
It was running Sierra, but has now been upgraded to Mojave.
It felt sluggish after startup under Sierra already: you click and
nothing happens for a couple of seconds. Could be related to all sorts
of startup items such as Team Viewer, Dropbox and Office software
update.
She uses it for web browsing, email, MS Office, Apple Photos, nothing particularly taxing.
I'm wondering whether it's worth spending the money on a memory upgrade
2x8GB or not to bother.
it does have usb3 and thunderbolt ports, so an external ssd might offer
some benefit, without needing to take it apart.
On 29 Jul 2022 at 00:08:40 BST, "nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
it does have usb3 and thunderbolt ports, so an external ssd might offer
some benefit, without needing to take it apart.
Having done this on iMacs of a similar age, it has a *massive* benefit, barely short of putting the SSD inside on a SATA connector.
Definitely do this, Martin. Any USB3 SSD boasting 500meg/sec should be
fine.
My sis has an iMac 13,2, 8GB RAM, 1TB HD (no SSD).
It was running Sierra, but has now been upgraded to Mojave.
It felt sluggish after startup under Sierra already: you click and
nothing happens for a couple of seconds. Could be related to all sorts
of startup items such as Team Viewer, Dropbox and Office software
update.
She uses it for web browsing, email, MS Office, Apple Photos, nothing particularly taxing.
I'm wondering whether it's worth spending the money on a memory upgrade
2x8GB or not to bother.
My sis has an iMac 13,2, 8GB RAM, 1TB HD (no SSD).
It was running Sierra, but has now been upgraded to Mojave.
It felt sluggish after startup under Sierra already: you click and
nothing happens for a couple of seconds. Could be related to all sorts
of startup items such as Team Viewer, Dropbox and Office software
update.
She uses it for web browsing, email, MS Office, Apple Photos, nothing particularly taxing.
I'm wondering whether it's worth spending the money on a memory upgrade
2x8GB or not to bother.
On 29 Jul 2022 at 00:39:50 BST, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:
On 29 Jul 2022 at 00:08:40 BST, "nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
it does have usb3 and thunderbolt ports, so an external ssd might offer
some benefit, without needing to take it apart.
Having done this on iMacs of a similar age, it has a *massive* benefit,
barely short of putting the SSD inside on a SATA connector.
Definitely do this, Martin. Any USB3 SSD boasting 500meg/sec should be
fine.
+1. I've added one (SSD in a generic caddy, 400 meg/s) to handle photos on my 2021 iMac and velcroed it to the stand. Completely seamless.
RJH wrote:
On 29 Jul 2022 at 00:39:50 BST, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:
On 29 Jul 2022 at 00:08:40 BST, "nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
it does have usb3 and thunderbolt ports, so an external ssd might offer >>>> some benefit, without needing to take it apart.
Having done this on iMacs of a similar age, it has a *massive* benefit,
barely short of putting the SSD inside on a SATA connector.
Definitely do this, Martin. Any USB3 SSD boasting 500meg/sec should be
fine.
+1. I've added one (SSD in a generic caddy, 400 meg/s) to handle photos on my
2021 iMac and velcroed it to the stand. Completely seamless.
I see that putting a new SSD inside a laptop is a good idea.
However the point of a laptop is to be portable. So sticking the new
SSD on the side with velcro, and relying on a USB cable - that to me
does not make sense. The laptop is then not properly portable at all.
You would have been much better in the first place to buy a desktop
machine, with separate large monitor (or several) and separate keyboard
and mouse. This makes for proper useability.
Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:
RJH wrote:
On 29 Jul 2022 at 00:39:50 BST, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:
On 29 Jul 2022 at 00:08:40 BST, "nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: >>>>
it does have usb3 and thunderbolt ports, so an external ssd might offer >>>>> some benefit, without needing to take it apart.
Having done this on iMacs of a similar age, it has a *massive* benefit, >>>> barely short of putting the SSD inside on a SATA connector.
Definitely do this, Martin. Any USB3 SSD boasting 500meg/sec should be >>>> fine.
+1. I've added one (SSD in a generic caddy, 400 meg/s) to handle photos on my
2021 iMac and velcroed it to the stand. Completely seamless.
I see that putting a new SSD inside a laptop is a good idea.
However the point of a laptop is to be portable. So sticking the new
SSD on the side with velcro, and relying on a USB cable - that to me
does not make sense. The laptop is then not properly portable at all.
You would have been much better in the first place to buy a desktop
machine, with separate large monitor (or several) and separate keyboard
and mouse. This makes for proper useability.
For a laptop: true, but I thought Martin was asking about an iMac which is not exactly portable!
it's still a ten year old computer and spending money on it is not
really worth it.
On 28 Jul 2022 at 23:50:36 BST, "Martin-S" <invalid@nomail.com> wrote:
My sis has an iMac 13,2, 8GB RAM, 1TB HD (no SSD).
It was running Sierra, but has now been upgraded to Mojave.
It felt sluggish after startup under Sierra already: you click and
nothing happens for a couple of seconds. Could be related to all sorts
of startup items such as Team Viewer, Dropbox and Office software
update.
She uses it for web browsing, email, MS Office, Apple Photos, nothing particularly taxing.
I'm wondering whether it's worth spending the money on a memory upgrade 2x8GB or not to bother.
I have 2012 i5 Mini here with 4GB ram. An SSD transplant made a world of difference.
Similar improvements with a 2010 C2D mini with 8GB ram.
Both are now very useable machines.
However I wonder how this would run as a startup drive plugged into a
laptop?
<https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07FD6D4HJ>
Am 29.07.22 um 00:50 schrieb Martin-S:
My sis has an iMac 13,2, 8GB RAM, 1TB HD (no SSD).
It was running Sierra, but has now been upgraded to Mojave.
It felt sluggish after startup under Sierra already: you click and
nothing happens for a couple of seconds. Could be related to all sorts
of startup items such as Team Viewer, Dropbox and Office software
update.
She uses it for web browsing, email, MS Office, Apple Photos, nothing
particularly taxing.
I'm wondering whether it's worth spending the money on a memory upgrade
2x8GB or not to bother.
In the first place she has to swap the HDD for a SSD. Newer Mac OSs do
not run satisfactorily on HDDs irrespective how much RAM is installed.
If the Mac is open anyway it could give the Mac a new lease of life to
add 8GB of RAM.
On 29/07/2022 06:22, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Am 29.07.22 um 00:50 schrieb Martin-S:
My sis has an iMac 13,2, 8GB RAM, 1TB HD (no SSD).
It was running Sierra, but has now been upgraded to Mojave.
It felt sluggish after startup under Sierra already: you click and
nothing happens for a couple of seconds. Could be related to all sorts
of startup items such as Team Viewer, Dropbox and Office software
update.
She uses it for web browsing, email, MS Office, Apple Photos, nothing
particularly taxing.
I'm wondering whether it's worth spending the money on a memory upgrade
2x8GB or not to bother.
In the first place she has to swap the HDD for a SSD. Newer Mac OSs do
not run satisfactorily on HDDs irrespective how much RAM is installed.
If the Mac is open anyway it could give the Mac a new lease of life to
add 8GB of RAM.
macOS Monterey is running sweet as a nut on MY ageing iMac!
https://idiomorigins.org/origin/sweet-as-a-nut
My sis has an iMac 13,2, 8GB RAM, 1TB HD (no SSD).
It was running Sierra, but has now been upgraded to Mojave.
It felt sluggish after startup under Sierra already: you click and
nothing happens for a couple of seconds. Could be related to all sorts
of startup items such as Team Viewer, Dropbox and Office software update.
She uses it for web browsing, email, MS Office, Apple Photos, nothing particularly taxing.
I'm wondering whether it's worth spending the money on a memory upgrade
2x8GB or not to bother.
On 29/07/2022 15:51, David Brooks wrote:
On 29/07/2022 06:22, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
In the first place she has to swap the HDD for a SSD. Newer Mac OSs do
not run satisfactorily on HDDs irrespective how much RAM is installed.
If the Mac is open anyway it could give the Mac a new lease of life to
add 8GB of RAM.
macOS Monterey is running sweet as a nut on MY ageing iMac!
https://idiomorigins.org/origin/sweet-as-a-nut
iMac (Retina 5K, 27-inch, 2017)
Model Identifier: iMac18,3
On 2022-07-29, Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:
On 28/07/2022 23:50, Martin-S wrote:
My sis has an iMac 13,2, 8GB RAM, 1TB HD (no SSD).
It was running Sierra, but has now been upgraded to Mojave.
It felt sluggish after startup under Sierra already: you click and
nothing happens for a couple of seconds. Could be related to all sorts
of startup items such as Team Viewer, Dropbox and Office software update. >>>
She uses it for web browsing, email, MS Office, Apple Photos, nothing
particularly taxing.
I'm wondering whether it's worth spending the money on a memory upgrade
2x8GB or not to bother.
[snip]
I used this - https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/
So, yeah you can make use of the older machines for a small amount of
effort and outlay.
Still hoping that I'll be able to upgrade my 2017 Air to Ventura using OCLP?
On 28/07/2022 23:50, Martin-S wrote:
My sis has an iMac 13,2, 8GB RAM, 1TB HD (no SSD).
It was running Sierra, but has now been upgraded to Mojave.
It felt sluggish after startup under Sierra already: you click and
nothing happens for a couple of seconds. Could be related to all sorts
of startup items such as Team Viewer, Dropbox and Office software update.
She uses it for web browsing, email, MS Office, Apple Photos, nothing
particularly taxing.
I'm wondering whether it's worth spending the money on a memory upgrade
2x8GB or not to bother.
I used this - https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/
So, yeah you can make use of the older machines for a small amount of
effort and outlay.
On 29/07/2022 16:38, Alan B wrote:
Still hoping that I'll be able to upgrade my 2017 Air to Ventura using
OCLP?
Have a read of the site now, it doesn't look good for future updates.
The dev is Ukranian, and looks like he's halted developing for the
moment. Hopefully, he'll be back, although of course I support his
reasons, and wish him well.
I'm now stuck at Monterey 12.4, and can't install 12.5, as there's an
issue with Kepler GPUs (which as far as I can tell, is what I have
here), and advice is to stick at 12.4.
Am 29.07.22 um 16:55 schrieb David Brooks:
On 29/07/2022 15:51, David Brooks wrote:As so soften you miss the point.
On 29/07/2022 06:22, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
In the first place she has to swap the HDD for a SSD. Newer Mac OSs do >>>> not run satisfactorily on HDDs irrespective how much RAM is installed. >>>> If the Mac is open anyway it could give the Mac a new lease of life to >>>> add 8GB of RAM.
macOS Monterey is running sweet as a nut on MY ageing iMac!
https://idiomorigins.org/origin/sweet-as-a-nut
iMac (Retina 5K, 27-inch, 2017)
Model Identifier: iMac18,3
Ray <amos-jones@outlook.com> wrote:
On 28 Jul 2022 at 23:50:36 BST, "Martin-S" <invalid@nomail.com> wrote:
My sis has an iMac 13,2, 8GB RAM, 1TB HD (no SSD).
It was running Sierra, but has now been upgraded to Mojave.
It felt sluggish after startup under Sierra already: you click and
nothing happens for a couple of seconds. Could be related to all sorts
of startup items such as Team Viewer, Dropbox and Office software
update.
She uses it for web browsing, email, MS Office, Apple Photos, nothing
particularly taxing.
I'm wondering whether it's worth spending the money on a memory upgrade
2x8GB or not to bother.
I have 2012 i5 Mini here with 4GB ram. An SSD transplant made a world of
difference.
Similar improvements with a 2010 C2D mini with 8GB ram.
Both are now very useable machines.
The late 2012 Mini is a sweet spot:
The last one to have the possibility for having two disks,
and the first one to have USB3 and Thunderbolt.
Have a read of the site now, it doesn't look good for future updates.
The dev is Ukranian, and looks like he's halted developing for the
moment. Hopefully, he'll be back, although of course I support his
reasons, and wish him well.
I'm now stuck at Monterey 12.4, and can't install 12.5, as there's an
issue with Kepler GPUs (which as far as I can tell, is what I have
here), and advice is to stick at 12.4.
Definitely do this, Martin. Any USB3 SSD boasting 500meg/sec should be
fine. You can use CCC or whatever to clone the internal disk to the SSD,
then choose the SSD in Startup Disk.
On 2022-07-28 23:39:50 +0000, Jaimie Vandenbergh said:
Definitely do this, Martin. Any USB3 SSD boasting 500meg/sec should be
fine. You can use CCC or whatever to clone the internal disk to the SSD,
then choose the SSD in Startup Disk.
Thanks everyone for their input!
The external SSD is a great idea especially as that iMac's HD seems
difficult to upgrade.
I had been wondering whther the HD might be the real bottleneck.
On 2022-07-28 23:39:50 +0000, Jaimie Vandenbergh said:
Definitely do this, Martin. Any USB3 SSD boasting 500meg/sec should be
fine. You can use CCC or whatever to clone the internal disk to the SSD,
then choose the SSD in Startup Disk.
Thanks everyone for their input!
The external SSD is a great idea especially as that iMac's HD seems
difficult to upgrade.
I had been wondering whther the HD might be the real bottleneck.
When you consider that the spinny disk is by far the least reliable
component in a computer, you would have thought that manufacturers would
have designed their machines to make it easy to replace the hard disk.
After all, you would not expect any difficulty in replacing a punctured
tyre on a car!
In article <tc3q6q$3u7fg$1@dont-email.me>, Graham J
<nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:
When you consider that the spinny disk is by far the least reliable
component in a computer, you would have thought that manufacturers would
have designed their machines to make it easy to replace the hard disk.
After all, you would not expect any difficulty in replacing a punctured
tyre on a car!
they generally outlast the useful life of the computer. same for
batteries in laptops and phones.
if anything fails, people take it somewhere to be fixed, just as they
do with cars, and the techs have the necessary tools and skills to fix
it.
Martin-S wrote:
On 2022-07-28 23:39:50 +0000, Jaimie Vandenbergh said:
Definitely do this, Martin. Any USB3 SSD boasting 500meg/sec should be
fine. You can use CCC or whatever to clone the internal disk to the SSD, >>> then choose the SSD in Startup Disk.
Thanks everyone for their input!
The external SSD is a great idea especially as that iMac's HD seems
difficult to upgrade.
I had been wondering whther the HD might be the real bottleneck.
When you consider that the spinny disk is by far the least reliable
component in a computer, you would have thought that manufacturers would
have designed their machines to make it easy to replace the hard disk.
After all, you would not expect any difficulty in replacing a punctured
tyre on a car!
As it is, replacing the hard disk compares with replacing a car's
engine, particularly when you factor in restoring the operating system, applications, and user data.
On 2022-07-28 23:39:50 +0000, Jaimie Vandenbergh said:
Definitely do this, Martin. Any USB3 SSD boasting 500meg/sec should be
fine. You can use CCC or whatever to clone the internal disk to the SSD,
then choose the SSD in Startup Disk.
Thanks everyone for their input!
The external SSD is a great idea especially as that iMac's HD seems
difficult to upgrade.
I had been wondering whther the HD might be the real bottleneck.
Jon Bradbury in this group is excellent and he does SSD upgrades. bramley-computers.co.uk
In article <tc05u0$3f0v2$1@alanrichardbarker.eternal-september.org>,
Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.invalid> wrote:
However I wonder how this would run as a startup drive plugged into a
laptop?
<https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07FD6D4HJ>
i have a couple of those and they're quite fast and work reasonably
well for a boot drive.
On 2022-07-29, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <tc05u0$3f0v2$1@alanrichardbarker.eternal-september.org>,
Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.invalid> wrote:
However I wonder how this would run as a startup drive plugged into a
laptop?
<https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07FD6D4HJ>
i have a couple of those and they're quite fast and work reasonably
well for a boot drive.
Just bought one and installed Ubuntu 22.04 on it. It's booted up fine
plugged into my Intel Mac and I'm using it right now to post this follow-up.
On 2022-08-05, Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.invalid> wrote:
On 2022-07-29, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <tc05u0$3f0v2$1@alanrichardbarker.eternal-september.org>,
Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.invalid> wrote:
However I wonder how this would run as a startup drive plugged into a
laptop?
<https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07FD6D4HJ>
i have a couple of those and they're quite fast and work reasonably
well for a boot drive.
Just bought one and installed Ubuntu 22.04 on it. It's booted up fine
plugged into my Intel Mac and I'm using it right now to post this follow-up.
I've now installed Monterey on the stick but as expected it's oh-so-slow. Might try an older macOS version sometime - my Intel Mac had High
Sierra pre-installed so that or Mojave might be options.
On 6 Aug 2022 at 11:35:53 BST, Alan B wrote:
On 2022-08-05, Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.invalid> wrote:
On 2022-07-29, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <tc05u0$3f0v2$1@alanrichardbarker.eternal-september.org>,
Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.invalid> wrote:
However I wonder how this would run as a startup drive plugged into a >>>>> laptop?
<https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07FD6D4HJ>
i have a couple of those and they're quite fast and work reasonably
well for a boot drive.
Just bought one and installed Ubuntu 22.04 on it. It's booted up fine
plugged into my Intel Mac and I'm using it right now to post this follow-up.
I've now installed Monterey on the stick but as expected it's oh-so-slow.
Might try an older macOS version sometime - my Intel Mac had High
Sierra pre-installed so that or Mojave might be options.
Is that because of or in spite of the stick, do you think?
Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
I thought perhaps older OS's might work the stick's memory less
hard. However I don't suppose that's true but maybe worth a try?
The stick access rate is slower than a SSD and other management
factors are also less than ideal in comparison. I know that's
a simplistic view but I'm a simple guy :)
It's possible Monterey has formatted it APFS which is optimised for SSDs, while your stick has worse access times. Pre-APFS OSes used HFS+ which
comes from the hard drive era, where access times were worse than even the stick (although bulk write speeds might be better). So it might help.
For an OS I'd really recommend an SSD-class USB stick - my favourite is the Sandisk Extreme Pro which is a proper SATA SSD behind a USB-SATA bridge: https://www.amazon.co.uk/SanDisk-Extreme-Solid-State-Flash/dp/B01MU8TZRV Random read/write times a lot better than a typical USB stick.
It's also possible to put NVMe SSDs inside USB (about £20) or Thunderbolt (£££) cases, which are likely quicker again, if you don't mind the larger form factor (usually hung off a short cable).
I thought perhaps older OS's might work the stick's memory less
hard. However I don't suppose that's true but maybe worth a try?
The stick access rate is slower than a SSD and other management
factors are also less than ideal in comparison. I know that's
a simplistic view but I'm a simple guy :)
My sis has an iMac 13,2, 8GB RAM, 1TB HD (no SSD).
It was running Sierra, but has now been upgraded to Mojave.
It felt sluggish after startup under Sierra already: you click and
nothing happens for a couple of seconds. Could be related to all sorts
of startup items such as Team Viewer, Dropbox and Office software
update.
She uses it for web browsing, email, MS Office, Apple Photos, nothing particularly taxing.
I'm wondering whether it's worth spending the money on a memory upgrade
2x8GB or not to bother.
Just as a follow up…
It turned out the culprit was dropbox: it was using around half a
gigabyte of memory. Once removed the iMac behaved normally again if a
bit on the slow side.
Since my sis has plenty of iCloud storage, I moved everything over to that.
I guess dropbox is just a poorly written app.
On 2022-07-28 22:50:36 +0000, Martin-S said:
My sis has an iMac 13,2, 8GB RAM, 1TB HD (no SSD).
It was running Sierra, but has now been upgraded to Mojave.
It felt sluggish after startup under Sierra already: you click and
nothing happens for a couple of seconds. Could be related to all sorts
of startup items such as Team Viewer, Dropbox and Office software
update.
She uses it for web browsing, email, MS Office, Apple Photos, nothing
particularly taxing.
I'm wondering whether it's worth spending the money on a memory upgrade
2x8GB or not to bother.
Just as a follow up…
It turned out the culprit was dropbox: it was using around half a
gigabyte of memory. Once removed the iMac behaved normally again if a
bit on the slow side.
Since my sis has plenty of iCloud storage, I moved everything over to that.
I guess dropbox is just a poorly written app.
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