• What is the likelihood of a brand new iMac having been compromised in C

    From David Brooks@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 3 10:56:47 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    Did anyone reading here read this MacRumors thread?

    https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/what-is-the-likelihood-of-a-brand-new-imac-having-been-compromised-in-china.2345760/

    If so, can you suggest anything of interest?

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    Kind regards,
    David B.

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  • From Bob Campbell@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Wed Aug 3 20:54:54 2022
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    David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Did anyone reading here read this MacRumors thread?

    https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/what-is-the-likelihood-of-a-brand-new-imac-having-been-compromised-in-china.2345760/

    If so, can you suggest anything of interest?

    There is nothing of interest in that discussion. It is just you - yet
    again - posting one of your extremely stupid and paranoid questions.
    Which everyone quickly laughs at and dismisses.

    I particularly like the very last post (before the moderator closes it). “Your logic and your timeline leave a lot to be desired. I am out. Any further discussion is like talking to a brick wall in an alternate
    universe. Have a happy life in your reality”

    Why do you continue to post links here, pointing to even more stupid
    questions that you ask elsewhere? Are you not embarrassed by the
    reactions that EVERYONE has to your stupid, repeated over and over
    questions?

    You are a complete fool. But you are the only person on the planet who is unaware of this fact. One would think that the reactions to your absurd questions (and deep paranoia) AND the fact that you get banned everywhere
    you ask these absurd questions (and display your deep paranoia), would be a giant clue for you.

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  • From T@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Wed Aug 3 15:12:13 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 8/3/22 02:56, David Brooks wrote:
    Did anyone reading here read this MacRumors thread?

    https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/what-is-the-likelihood-of-a-brand-new-imac-having-been-compromised-in-china.2345760/


    If so, can you suggest anything of interest?


    Hi David,

    Have you thought of migrating to Linux. Fedora is
    my favourite and is very secure. And you get
    a usable task bar too. (I pound my task bar
    so bad is cries. Apple would never work for me.)

    If you are doing anything really secure, you can
    always download a Fedora Live USB (Xfce or MATE
    work really well) and boot off them when want
    something really secure.

    -T

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Bob Campbell on Wed Aug 3 23:07:29 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 03/08/2022 21:54, Bob Campbell wrote:

    David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Did anyone reading here read this MacRumors thread?

    https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/what-is-the-likelihood-of-a-brand-new-imac-having-been-compromised-in-china.2345760/

    If so, can you suggest anything of interest?

    There is nothing of interest in that discussion. It is just you - yet
    again - posting one of your extremely stupid and paranoid questions.
    Which everyone quickly laughs at and dismisses.

    I particularly like the very last post (before the moderator closes it). “Your logic and your timeline leave a lot to be desired. I am out. Any further discussion is like talking to a brick wall in an alternate
    universe. Have a happy life in your reality”

    Why do you continue to post links here, pointing to even more stupid questions that you ask elsewhere? Are you not embarrassed by the
    reactions that EVERYONE has to your stupid, repeated over and over
    questions?

    You are a complete fool. But you are the only person on the planet who is unaware of this fact. One would think that the reactions to your absurd questions (and deep paranoia) AND the fact that you get banned everywhere
    you ask these absurd questions (and display your deep paranoia), would be a giant clue for you.
    "Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce
    you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to
    you." (Matthew 7:1-2)

    Notice the reason Jesus warns against judgment.

    The danger in passing judgment on others is that we’ll have our own
    standard come back to haunt us, like the spirit of judgments past.

    When I condemn someone’s behaviour, whether it’s blatantly sinful or
    just different to my own, I almost NEVER use the proper standard of
    judgment.

    I pass judgment according to my own strengths and opinions.

    --
    David B.

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 3 23:35:41 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 03/08/2022 23:12, T wrote:
    On 8/3/22 02:56, David Brooks wrote:
    Did anyone reading here read this MacRumors thread?

    https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/what-is-the-likelihood-of-a-brand-new-imac-having-been-compromised-in-china.2345760/


    If so, can you suggest anything of interest?


    Hi David,

    Have you thought of migrating to Linux.  Fedora is
    my favourite and is very secure.  And you get
    a usable task bar too.  (I pound my task bar
    so bad is cries.  Apple would never work for me.)

    If you are doing anything really secure, you can
    always download a Fedora Live USB (Xfce or MATE
    work really well) and boot off them when want
    something really secure.

    -T

    That's most kind of you, 'T'.

    I have dabbled with Linux from time-to-time and have tried a number of flavours. I think the first was Ubuntu, back in the late 1990s.

    I've not used Fedora though. Will it run alongside my macOS Monterey on
    my iMac if I put it on a thumb drive?

    Btw, I do consider my Mac to be just as secure as Linux! ;-)

    --
    Kind regards,
    David B.

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  • From T@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 3 15:59:03 2022
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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to T@invalid.invalid on Wed Aug 3 19:25:20 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    In article <tceujp$2h9bg$1@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    I've not used Fedora though. Will it run alongside my macOS Monterey on
    my iMac if I put it on a thumb drive?

    Yes, but it won't be able to mount your Mac's hard drive

    yes it most definitely will.

    (Mac does not like to play nice with the other kiddies
    in the sandbox).

    yes it does.

    I get around it by copying off the
    files I want to a FAT32 flash drive before booting off
    the flash drive.

    although that does work, it's not necessary.

    Mac is just difficult to use if you are running
    several programs at once and need a real task bar.

    rubbish, and its 'task bar', known as a dock, is very much real, along
    with other options such as gestures, spaces, mission control and the forthcoming stage manager, which linux lacks.

    But if you are mainly running only one program at
    a time, it is quite functional.

    it can do *much* more than just that.

    They all have their pros and cons.

    they do, including the taskbar and dock, however the pros and cons must
    be factually correct and complete for a valid comparison to be made.

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  • From T@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 3 16:50:50 2022
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  • From T@21:1/5 to nospam on Wed Aug 3 17:06:17 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 8/3/22 16:25, nospam wrote:
    In article <tceujp$2h9bg$1@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    I've not used Fedora though. Will it run alongside my macOS Monterey on
    my iMac if I put it on a thumb drive?

    Yes, but it won't be able to mount your Mac's hard drive

    yes it most definitely will.

    Hmmmm . I have never gotten it to mount. Does show in
    gparted though


    (Mac does not like to play nice with the other kiddies
    in the sandbox).

    yes it does.

    Wishful thinking.


    I get around it by copying off the
    files I want to a FAT32 flash drive before booting off
    the flash drive.

    although that does work, it's not necessary.

    Mac is just difficult to use if you are running
    several programs at once and need a real task bar.

    rubbish, and its 'task bar', known as a dock, is very much real, along
    with other options such as gestures, spaces, mission control and the forthcoming stage manager, which linux lacks.

    The dock is "Awkward". It tries to combine program
    launchers and a task bar at the same time.

    If you want a real doc, test out Xfce's Panel 1 "dock". (Panel 0 is the
    task bar.) Xfce DOES NOT mix your task
    bar and your program launcher bar. 1000 times
    more usable.

    The Panel at the top is where Mac puts your menus,
    rather than on the top decoration of your window.
    I use my task bar so extensively, that Mac's
    weird/awkward "doc" will never work for me. I
    must be able to focus program switching with
    mussel memory, not have to figure out what the
    hell every time I want to switch focus.

    I can see Mac being usable if you only ran one or
    two programs. I can have as many of ten going
    at the same time and switch back and forth
    from each, not to mention virtual machines.



    But if you are mainly running only one program at
    a time, it is quite functional.

    it can do *much* more than just that.

    Sure. And do it very awkwardly too.


    They all have their pros and cons.

    they do, including the taskbar and dock, however the pros and cons must
    be factually correct and complete for a valid comparison to be made.

    They were.

    Don't get your feeling hurt. I would fill a
    library with issues I have with Windows.
    (Framiliar with Chrome Book? Windows 11 is
    a total rip off of Chrome ook.)

    I have a few issue with MATE and Xfce too.
    And don't get me started on gnome. It is
    too weird to use. Mac is weird too, but at
    least it is usable, despite its awkwardness.

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  • From Kelly Phillips@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 3 20:26:05 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On Wed, 03 Aug 2022 20:54:54 +0000, Bob Campbell <nunya@none.none>
    wrote:


    David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Did anyone reading here read this MacRumors thread?

    https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/what-is-the-likelihood-of-a-brand-new-imac-having-been-compromised-in-china.2345760/

    If so, can you suggest anything of interest?

    There is nothing of interest in that discussion. It is just you - yet
    again - posting one of your extremely stupid and paranoid questions.
    Which everyone quickly laughs at and dismisses.

    I particularly like the very last post (before the moderator closes it). >Your logic and your timeline leave a lot to be desired. I am out. Any >further discussion is like talking to a brick wall in an alternate
    universe. Have a happy life in your reality

    Why do you continue to post links here, pointing to even more stupid >questions that you ask elsewhere? Are you not embarrassed by the
    reactions that EVERYONE has to your stupid, repeated over and over
    questions?

    You are a complete fool. But you are the only person on the planet who is >unaware of this fact. One would think that the reactions to your absurd >questions (and deep paranoia) AND the fact that you get banned everywhere
    you ask these absurd questions (and display your deep paranoia), would be a >giant clue for you.

    I don't think he's embarrassed, nor do I think he's ashamed. He doesn't
    seem to be capable of those things. He just acts as if he's blissfully
    unaware of how stupid he is.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to T@invalid.invalid on Wed Aug 3 21:27:31 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    In article <tcf2hr$2i7df$1@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    I've not used Fedora though. Will it run alongside my macOS Monterey on >>> my iMac if I put it on a thumb drive?

    Yes, but it won't be able to mount your Mac's hard drive

    yes it most definitely will.

    Hmmmm . I have never gotten it to mount. Does show in
    gparted though

    your inability to mount it is not a limitation of linux.

    (Mac does not like to play nice with the other kiddies
    in the sandbox).

    yes it does.

    Wishful thinking.

    it's not, and i say that as someone who has used mac os, windows and
    unix for many decades.

    I get around it by copying off the
    files I want to a FAT32 flash drive before booting off
    the flash drive.

    although that does work, it's not necessary.

    Mac is just difficult to use if you are running
    several programs at once and need a real task bar.

    rubbish, and its 'task bar', known as a dock, is very much real, along
    with other options such as gestures, spaces, mission control and the forthcoming stage manager, which linux lacks.

    The dock is "Awkward". It tries to combine program
    launchers and a task bar at the same time.

    no. what the dock does is show commonly used apps, folders and
    minimized windows, which can also be arranged in any order (within
    their respective group).

    If you want a real doc, test out Xfce's Panel 1 "dock". (Panel 0 is the
    task bar.) Xfce DOES NOT mix your task
    bar and your program launcher bar. 1000 times
    more usable.

    how so? what does it do that can't be done on mac os or windows?

    The Panel at the top is where Mac puts your menus,
    rather than on the top decoration of your window.

    that 'panel at the top' is called a menu bar, and it's at the top of
    the screen rather than in each window for well established ui/ux
    reasons, known as fitt's law, which results in much faster target
    acquisition (i.e., the menu bar and ultimately the menu bar item).

    I use my task bar so extensively, that Mac's
    weird/awkward "doc" will never work for me.

    that's different than calling it non-functional.

    I must be able to focus program switching with
    mussel memory, not have to figure out what the
    hell every time I want to switch focus.

    bivalves do sometimes have problems.

    I can see Mac being usable if you only ran one or
    two programs. I can have as many of ten going
    at the same time and switch back and forth
    from each, not to mention virtual machines.

    it's only getting warmed up with ten apps, plus apps running in virtual machines can appear as native apps versus within a vm guest window (or
    not if the user prefers to separate it).

    switching focus can be done in a variety of ways, including command-tab
    (same as alt-tab on windows), clicking on the app icon in the dock
    (with a a contextual-click offering additional options), gestures on
    the mouse or trackpad, mission control or using the forthcoming stage
    manager, which no other system has.

    But if you are mainly running only one program at
    a time, it is quite functional.

    it can do *much* more than just that.

    Sure. And do it very awkwardly too.

    not at all. it has many options, which means nearly everyone will find
    a suitable workflow.

    They all have their pros and cons.

    they do, including the taskbar and dock, however the pros and cons must
    be factually correct and complete for a valid comparison to be made.

    They were.

    they were not.

    Don't get your feeling hurt. I would fill a
    library with issues I have with Windows.
    (Framiliar with Chrome Book? Windows 11 is
    a total rip off of Chrome ook.)

    actually, it's a ripoff of mac os, including changing its name to
    windows 11 from windows 10, what was supposedly the 'last version of
    windows' (which wasn't actually an official microsoft statement).

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  • From Kelly Phillips@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 3 20:50:11 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On Wed, 3 Aug 2022 23:35:41 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    Btw, I do consider my Mac to be just as secure as Linux! ;-)

    If you think it's so secure, why do you wipe and reinstall so often? By
    your account, you've wiped it 3 times* this year, and we've only entered
    the month of August. You're on pace for 5 reinstalls by the end of the
    year.

    *Is it 3, or have I missed a few?

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  • From T@21:1/5 to nospam on Wed Aug 3 20:11:32 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 8/3/22 18:27, nospam wrote:
    Don't get your feeling hurt. I would fill a
    library with issues I have with Windows.
    (Framiliar with Chrome Book? Windows 11 is
    a total rip off of Chrome ook.)
    actually, it's a ripoff of mac os, including changing its name to
    windows 11 from windows 10, what was supposedly the 'last version of
    windows' (which wasn't actually an official microsoft statement).

    W11's GUI s a clone of Chrome OS.

    W7 was a rip off of KDE

    W10 and vista were , who knows.

    Which version do you think was a rip off of Mac OS?

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  • From T@21:1/5 to nospam on Wed Aug 3 20:19:07 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 8/3/22 18:27, nospam wrote:
    Hmmmm . I have never gotten it to mount. Does show in
    gparted though
    your inability to mount it is not a limitation of linux.


    When you mount your HFS+ drives from a Live flash drive,
    how are you turn off journalling?

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  • From T@21:1/5 to nospam on Wed Aug 3 20:17:39 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 8/3/22 18:27, nospam wrote:
    In article <tcf1ks$2i0sq$1@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Even if you do not use Linux, it is a grand idea
    to have these flash drives around to rescue your
    OS in times of trouble, especially if you are
    running Windows.

    linux is not particularly useful to resolve problems on a mac, or
    windows for that matter.

    Uhhhh. I do it all the time. I recover file,s
    remove viruses, test hardware, reset passwords,
    edit the registry, check for stray networks, and
    on and on and so forth.

    I even have a dual BIOS/UEFI bootable full install
    of Fedora on a Flash drive.


    I thought you said you used all three OS'es?

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  • From T@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 3 20:32:17 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    T24gOC8zLzIyIDIwOjE3LCBUIHdyb3RlOg0KPiBVaGhoaC7CoMKgScKgZG/CoGl0wqBhbGzC oHRoZcKgdGltZS7CoMKgScKgcmVjb3ZlcsKgZmlsZSxzDQo+IHJlbW92ZcKgdmlydXNlcyzC oHRlc3TCoGhhcmR3YXJlLMKgcmVzZXTCoHBhc3N3b3JkcywNCj4gZWRpdMKgdGhlwqByZWdp c3RyeSzCoGNoZWNrwqBmb3LCoHN0cmF5wqBuZXR3b3JrcyzCoGFuZA0KPiBvbsKgYW5kwqBv bsKgYW5kwqBzb8KgZm9ydGguDQoNCk9uZSBvZiBteSBmYXZvdXJpdGUgdGVzdHMgaXMgdG8g Z28gb3ZlciB0bw0Kc3BlZWRvZi5tZSBhbmQgc2VlIHdoZXRoZXIgb3Igbm90IHRoZWlyDQpJ bnRlcm5ldCBpcyBhY3R1YWxseSBzbG93Lg0KDQpXaGVuIEkgYm9vdCB0byBhIExpbnV4IGZs YXNoIGRyaXZlIG9uIGEgTWFjLA0KaXQgaXMgdXN1YWxseSB0byBzZWUgaWYgdGhlIGhhcmR3 YXJlIGlzDQpvcGVyYXRpbmcgY29ycmVjdGx5LiAgQW5kIHdoZW4gSSBnZXQNCnRpcmVkIG9m IE1hYydzIG5ldHdvcmtpbmcgdXRpbGl0aWVzLiAgKE15IGJvb3QNCmRyaXZlIGlzIGNoZXJy aWVkIG91dCBmb3IgdGhhdCBraW5kIG9mIHN0dWZmLikNCg0KRXZlbiBmb3VuZCBhIHNlY29u ZCByb3V0ZXIgb24gYSBNYWMgbmV0d29yayBvbmNlDQp0aGF0IHdhcyBoYW5kaW5nIG91dCBJ UCBhZGRyZXNzIG9uIGFub3RoZXIgbmV0d29yay4NCldoZW4gbXkgc2NhbiBzaG93ZWQgdHdv IG5ldHdvcmtzIG9uIHRoZSBzYW1lIEV0aGVybmV0LA0KSSBmb2xsb3dlZCBldmVyeW9uZSdz IHdpcmVzIGJhY2sgdG8gdGhlaXIgcm91dGVyLCBhbmQNCnRoZXJlIGl0IHdhcy4NCg==

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  • From Bob Campbell@21:1/5 to Kelly Phillips on Thu Aug 4 03:44:49 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    Kelly Phillips <KFile@podcasts.org> wrote:

    I don't think he's embarrassed, nor do I think he's ashamed. He doesn't
    seem to be capable of those things. He just acts as if he's blissfully unaware of how stupid he is.

    He is a classic case of Asperger’s syndrome. Obsessed with very limited
    and repetitive patterns of behaviour and interests.

    Or he is just drunk and stupid.

    Either way, he needs to clean up his act. It is very tiresome.

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  • From T@21:1/5 to nospam on Wed Aug 3 20:48:10 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 8/3/22 18:27, nospam wrote:
    The dock is "Awkward". It tries to combine program
    launchers and a task bar at the same time.
    no. what the dock does is show commonly used apps, folders and
    minimized windows, which can also be arranged in any order (within
    their respective group).


    Exactly what do you think appears on a task
    bar? Could it be "minimized window" or
    even windows out of focus? What you just
    did was describe what I was referring to
    as "awkward".

    The doc is designed for "looks" not "functionality".

    By the way, I seldom "minimize" my programs. It
    is a waste of time. I just pull them into focus
    with my panel 0 task bar. I gots to have a
    functional task bar.

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  • From Kelly Phillips@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 4 00:04:21 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On Thu, 04 Aug 2022 03:44:49 +0000, Bob Campbell <nunya@none.none>
    wrote:

    Kelly Phillips <KFile@podcasts.org> wrote:

    I don't think he's embarrassed, nor do I think he's ashamed. He doesn't
    seem to be capable of those things. He just acts as if he's blissfully
    unaware of how stupid he is.

    He is a classic case of Aspergers syndrome. Obsessed with very limited
    and repetitive patterns of behaviour and interests.

    It's definitely mental, but I don't think it's AS. There's a guy with AS
    who posts in the Android and Windows groups, and his (annoying) behavior
    is nothing like David's annoying behavior.

    Or he is just drunk and stupid.

    That, and so dishonest. He lies even when the truth would help him.

    Either way, he needs to clean up his act. It is very tiresome.

    True, but he seems to enjoy being a dick.

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 4 07:34:07 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    Am 04.08.22 um 03:26 schrieb Kelly Phillips:
    On Wed, 03 Aug 2022 20:54:54 +0000, Bob Campbell <nunya@none.none>
    wrote:


    David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Did anyone reading here read this MacRumors thread?

    https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/what-is-the-likelihood-of-a-brand-new-imac-having-been-compromised-in-china.2345760/

    If so, can you suggest anything of interest?

    There is nothing of interest in that discussion. It is just you - yet
    again - posting one of your extremely stupid and paranoid questions.
    Which everyone quickly laughs at and dismisses.

    I particularly like the very last post (before the moderator closes it).
    “Your logic and your timeline leave a lot to be desired. I am out. Any >> further discussion is like talking to a brick wall in an alternate
    universe. Have a happy life in your reality”

    Why do you continue to post links here, pointing to even more stupid
    questions that you ask elsewhere? Are you not embarrassed by the
    reactions that EVERYONE has to your stupid, repeated over and over
    questions?

    You are a complete fool. But you are the only person on the planet who is >> unaware of this fact. One would think that the reactions to your absurd
    questions (and deep paranoia) AND the fact that you get banned everywhere
    you ask these absurd questions (and display your deep paranoia), would be a >> giant clue for you.

    I don't think he's embarrassed, nor do I think he's ashamed. He doesn't
    seem to be capable of those things. He just acts as if he's blissfully unaware of how stupid he is.

    Ts, ts, ts. He has a mission! ;-)

    --
    Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 4 07:35:37 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    Am 04.08.22 um 05:44 schrieb Bob Campbell:
    Kelly Phillips <KFile@podcasts.org> wrote:

    I don't think he's embarrassed, nor do I think he's ashamed. He doesn't
    seem to be capable of those things. He just acts as if he's blissfully
    unaware of how stupid he is.

    He is a classic case of Asperger’s syndrome. Obsessed with very limited and repetitive patterns of behaviour and interests.

    Or he is just drunk and stupid.

    Either way, he needs to clean up his act. It is very tiresome.

    Your whining is also tiring. You know how filtering works?


    --
    Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 4 10:26:37 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    Am 04.08.22 um 00:07 schrieb David Brooks:
    On 03/08/2022 21:54, Bob Campbell wrote:
    You are a complete fool. But you are the only person on the planet who is >> unaware of this fact. One would think that the reactions to your absurd
    questions (and deep paranoia) AND the fact that you get banned everywhere
    you ask these absurd questions (and display your deep paranoia), would be a >> giant clue for you.
    "Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce
    you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to
    you." (Matthew 7:1-2)

    Notice the reason Jesus warns against judgment.

    Is this Gentleman working for Apple?

    --
    Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 4 10:28:55 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    Am 04.08.22 um 01:25 schrieb nospam:
    In article <tceujp$2h9bg$1@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    I've not used Fedora though. Will it run alongside my macOS Monterey on
    my iMac if I put it on a thumb drive?

    Yes, but it won't be able to mount your Mac's hard drive

    yes it most definitely will.

    (Mac does not like to play nice with the other kiddies
    in the sandbox).

    yes it does.

    Very much so. I run Linux Mint Cinnamon on my 11" MBAir for over a year
    now. It is simply fantastic.



    --
    Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to T@invalid.invalid on Thu Aug 4 05:00:54 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    In article <tcfdd4$2ng9d$2@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Don't get your feeling hurt. I would fill a
    library with issues I have with Windows.
    (Framiliar with Chrome Book? Windows 11 is
    a total rip off of Chrome ook.)
    actually, it's a ripoff of mac os, including changing its name to
    windows 11 from windows 10, what was supposedly the 'last version of windows' (which wasn't actually an official microsoft statement).

    W11's GUI s a clone of Chrome OS.

    W7 was a rip off of KDE

    W10 and vista were , who knows.

    Which version do you think was a rip off of Mac OS?

    all of them. windows began as a ripoff of mac os and also nextstep.

    david pogue compares windows vista and mac os x in this amusing video: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT6YO30GhmQ>

    windows 11 is tries to further look like mac os, including putting the
    taskbar is in the middle and rounded corners on windows.

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  • From Wolffan@21:1/5 to Joerg Lorenz on Thu Aug 4 09:21:17 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 04 Aug 2022, Joerg Lorenz wrote
    (in article <tcflof$arf5$1@solani.org>):

    Am 04.08.22 um 03:26 schrieb Kelly Phillips:
    On Wed, 03 Aug 2022 20:54:54 +0000, Bob Campbell <nunya@none.none>
    wrote:


    David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Did anyone reading here read this MacRumors thread?

    https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/what-is-the-likelihood-of-a-brand-new
    -imac-having-been-compromised-in-china.2345760/

    If so, can you suggest anything of interest?

    There is nothing of interest in that discussion. It is just you - yet again - posting one of your extremely stupid and paranoid questions. Which everyone quickly laughs at and dismisses.

    I particularly like the very last post (before the moderator closes it). “Your logic and your timeline leave a lot to be desired. I am out. Any further discussion is like talking to a brick wall in an alternate universe. Have a happy life in your reality”

    Why do you continue to post links here, pointing to even more stupid questions that you ask elsewhere? Are you not embarrassed by the reactions that EVERYONE has to your stupid, repeated over and over questions?

    You are a complete fool. But you are the only person on the planet who is unaware of this fact. One would think that the reactions to your absurd questions (and deep paranoia) AND the fact that you get banned everywhere you ask these absurd questions (and display your deep paranoia), would be a
    giant clue for you.

    I don't think he's embarrassed, nor do I think he's ashamed. He doesn't seem to be capable of those things. He just acts as if he's blissfully unaware of how stupid he is.
    Ts, ts, ts. He has a mission! ;-)

    He’s on a Mission From God. I suspect that God gave him the mission so as
    to get him to be busy somewhere else far away.

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  • From Wolffan@21:1/5 to Joerg Lorenz on Thu Aug 4 09:19:10 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 04 Aug 2022, Joerg Lorenz wrote
    (in article <tcfvrt$9hkf$1@solani.org>):

    Am 04.08.22 um 00:07 schrieb David Brooks:
    On 03/08/2022 21:54, Bob Campbell wrote:
    You are a complete fool. But you are the only person on the planet who is unaware of this fact. One would think that the reactions to your absurd questions (and deep paranoia) AND the fact that you get banned everywhere you ask these absurd questions (and display your deep paranoia), would be a
    giant clue for you.
    "Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce
    you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you." (Matthew 7:1-2)

    Notice the reason Jesus warns against judgment.

    Is this Gentleman working for Apple?

    Apple’s in California. I’m certain that there will be a few Jesuses
    working for them. And Angels. And, probably, some Muhammeds, and some with variants of Abdul or Abd followed by Arabic weords meaning ‘Just’, ‘Merciful’, ‘Glorious’, and more.

    Of course, it’s still the fact that Our David is an idiot.

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 4 16:45:28 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    Am 04.08.22 um 11:00 schrieb nospam:
    In article <tcfdol$2ni5p$1@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:


    Even if you do not use Linux, it is a grand idea
    to have these flash drives around to rescue your
    OS in times of trouble, especially if you are
    running Windows.

    linux is not particularly useful to resolve problems on a mac, or
    windows for that matter.

    Uhhhh. I do it all the time. I recover file,s
    remove viruses, test hardware, reset passwords,
    edit the registry, check for stray networks, and
    on and on and so forth.

    how do you recover files on a mac, when you said linux can't mount mac
    hard drives?

    Linux can mount hfs+ partitions. At least Mint. But read only.


    --
    Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 4 18:35:27 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    Am 04.08.22 um 15:19 schrieb Wolffan:
    On 04 Aug 2022, Joerg Lorenz wrote
    (in article <tcfvrt$9hkf$1@solani.org>):

    Am 04.08.22 um 00:07 schrieb David Brooks:
    On 03/08/2022 21:54, Bob Campbell wrote:
    You are a complete fool. But you are the only person on the planet who is >>>> unaware of this fact. One would think that the reactions to your absurd >>>> questions (and deep paranoia) AND the fact that you get banned everywhere >>>> you ask these absurd questions (and display your deep paranoia), would be a
    giant clue for you.
    "Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce
    you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to
    you." (Matthew 7:1-2)

    Notice the reason Jesus warns against judgment.

    Is this Gentleman working for Apple?

    Apple’s in California. I’m certain that there will be a few Jesuses working for them. And Angels. And, probably, some Muhammeds, and some with variants of Abdul or Abd followed by Arabic weords meaning ‘Just’, ‘Merciful’, ‘Glorious’, and more.

    Really?
    There are still ways too many people believing instead of thinking.

    Of course, it’s still the fact that Our David is an idiot.

    U2?


    --
    Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 4 18:33:30 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    Am 04.08.22 um 15:21 schrieb Wolffan:
    On 04 Aug 2022, Joerg Lorenz wrote
    (in article <tcflof$arf5$1@solani.org>):

    Am 04.08.22 um 03:26 schrieb Kelly Phillips:
    I don't think he's embarrassed, nor do I think he's ashamed. He doesn't
    seem to be capable of those things. He just acts as if he's blissfully
    unaware of how stupid he is.
    Ts, ts, ts. He has a mission! ;-)

    He’s on a Mission From God. I suspect that God gave him the mission so as to get him to be busy somewhere else far away.

    Is this Gentleman also working in the industry?


    --
    Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

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  • From Wolffan@21:1/5 to Joerg Lorenz on Thu Aug 4 13:02:16 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 04 Aug 2022, Joerg Lorenz wrote
    (in article <tcgscq$bkk4$1@solani.org>):

    Am 04.08.22 um 15:21 schrieb Wolffan:
    On 04 Aug 2022, Joerg Lorenz wrote
    (in article <tcflof$arf5$1@solani.org>):

    Am 04.08.22 um 03:26 schrieb Kelly Phillips:
    I don't think he's embarrassed, nor do I think he's ashamed. He doesn't seem to be capable of those things. He just acts as if he's blissfully unaware of how stupid he is.
    Ts, ts, ts. He has a mission! ;-)

    He’s on a Mission From God. I suspect that God gave him the mission so as to get him to be busy somewhere else far away.

    Is this Gentleman also working in the industry?

    Could be. There has to be some explanation for Microsoft’s success, and the easiest is that billg made a deal with God’s main rival. That certainly explains Monkey Boy Balmer’s Monkey Dance, anyway...

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Wolffan@21:1/5 to Joerg Lorenz on Thu Aug 4 12:59:31 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 04 Aug 2022, Joerg Lorenz wrote
    (in article <tcgsgf$bkk4$2@solani.org>):

    Am 04.08.22 um 15:19 schrieb Wolffan:
    On 04 Aug 2022, Joerg Lorenz wrote
    (in article <tcfvrt$9hkf$1@solani.org>):

    Am 04.08.22 um 00:07 schrieb David Brooks:
    On 03/08/2022 21:54, Bob Campbell wrote:
    You are a complete fool. But you are the only person on the planet who is
    unaware of this fact. One would think that the reactions to your absurd
    questions (and deep paranoia) AND the fact that you get banned everywhere
    you ask these absurd questions (and display your deep paranoia), would
    be a
    giant clue for you.
    "Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you." (Matthew 7:1-2)

    Notice the reason Jesus warns against judgment.

    Is this Gentleman working for Apple?

    Apple’s in California. I’m certain that there will be a few Jesuses working for them. And Angels. And, probably, some Muhammeds, and some with variants of Abdul or Abd followed by Arabic weords meaning ‘Just’, ‘Merciful’, ‘Glorious’, and more.

    Really?
    There are still ways too many people believing instead of thinking.

    There’s at least one Vishnu at Apple Cupertino, to my certain knowledge.
    And there may be a Ganesh. No Brahma or Shiva or, especially, Kali, though.

    There are also at least one each Singh and Kaur (‘Lion’ and ‘Prince’) and a Khan (‘King’, or ‘Prince’ or ‘Chief’, depending). Appleattracts a lot of talent from all over the world.


    Of course, it’s still the fact that Our David is an idiot.

    U2?

    Our David is on a Mission From God.

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to T@invalid.invalid on Thu Aug 4 17:40:52 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 8/3/22 20:17, T wrote:
    Uhhhh.  I do it all the time.  I recover file,s
    remove viruses, test hardware, reset passwords,
    edit the registry, check for stray networks, and
    on and on and so forth.

    One of my favourite tests is to go over to
    speedof.me and see whether or not their
    Internet is actually slow.

    When I boot to a Linux flash drive on a Mac,

    What do you do with Apple Silicon Macs? Coz that just doesn't work.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From whisky-dave@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Fri Aug 5 05:16:15 2022
    On Wednesday, 3 August 2022 at 23:07:32 UTC+1, David Brooks wrote:
    On 03/08/2022 21:54, Bob Campbell wrote:

    David Brooks <B...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Did anyone reading here read this MacRumors thread?

    https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/what-is-the-likelihood-of-a-brand-new-imac-having-been-compromised-in-china.2345760/

    If so, can you suggest anything of interest?

    There is nothing of interest in that discussion. It is just you - yet again - posting one of your extremely stupid and paranoid questions.
    Which everyone quickly laughs at and dismisses.

    I particularly like the very last post (before the moderator closes it). “Your logic and your timeline leave a lot to be desired. I am out. Any further discussion is like talking to a brick wall in an alternate universe. Have a happy life in your reality”

    Why do you continue to post links here, pointing to even more stupid questions that you ask elsewhere? Are you not embarrassed by the
    reactions that EVERYONE has to your stupid, repeated over and over questions?

    You are a complete fool. But you are the only person on the planet who is unaware of this fact. One would think that the reactions to your absurd questions (and deep paranoia) AND the fact that you get banned everywhere you ask these absurd questions (and display your deep paranoia), would be a
    giant clue for you.
    "Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce
    you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you." (Matthew 7:1-2)

    Notice the reason Jesus warns against judgment.

    That sounds like a judgment to me.


    The danger in passing judgment on others is that we’ll have our own standard come back to haunt us, like the spirit of judgments past.

    Never found that to be a problem.


    When I condemn someone’s behaviour, whether it’s blatantly sinful or just different to my own, I almost NEVER use the proper standard of judgment.

    Whatever that is meant to mean who knows.


    I pass judgment according to my own strengths and opinions.

    Everyone does , even Jesus did apparently.


    Not that anyone in their right mind actually believes what someone said Jesus said.



    --
    David B.

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  • From whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Wolffan on Fri Aug 5 05:34:31 2022
    On Thursday, 4 August 2022 at 17:59:35 UTC+1, Wolffan wrote:
    On 04 Aug 2022, Joerg Lorenz wrote


    There are also at least one each Singh and Kaur (‘Lion’ and ‘Prince’)
    and a Khan (‘King’, or ‘Prince’ or ‘Chief’, depending).

    There's a Khan in Star Trek and one is Mayor of London.

    Appleattracts a lot of talent from all over the world.

    Just this world ;-)



    Of course, it’s still the fact that Our David is an idiot.

    U2?
    Our David is on a Mission From God.

    But which God ? I think it's time the mission ended.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to whisky-dave on Fri Aug 5 14:40:56 2022
    On 05/08/2022 13:34, whisky-dave wrote:
    But which God ? I think it's time the mission ended.

    "Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not
    notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your
    brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log
    in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye,
    and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye."

    Pay heed to that, dear boy!

    --
    Kind regards,
    David B.

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to whisky-dave on Fri Aug 5 14:43:57 2022
    On 05/08/2022 13:16, whisky-dave wrote:
    On Wednesday, 3 August 2022 at 23:07:32 UTC+1, David Brooks wrote:
    On 03/08/2022 21:54, Bob Campbell wrote:

    David Brooks <B...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Did anyone reading here read this MacRumors thread?

    https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/what-is-the-likelihood-of-a-brand-new-imac-having-been-compromised-in-china.2345760/

    If so, can you suggest anything of interest?

    There is nothing of interest in that discussion. It is just you - yet
    again - posting one of your extremely stupid and paranoid questions.
    Which everyone quickly laughs at and dismisses.

    I particularly like the very last post (before the moderator closes it). >>> “Your logic and your timeline leave a lot to be desired. I am out. Any >>> further discussion is like talking to a brick wall in an alternate
    universe. Have a happy life in your reality”

    Why do you continue to post links here, pointing to even more stupid
    questions that you ask elsewhere? Are you not embarrassed by the
    reactions that EVERYONE has to your stupid, repeated over and over
    questions?

    You are a complete fool. But you are the only person on the planet who is >>> unaware of this fact. One would think that the reactions to your absurd
    questions (and deep paranoia) AND the fact that you get banned everywhere >>> you ask these absurd questions (and display your deep paranoia), would be a >>> giant clue for you.
    "Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce
    you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to
    you." (Matthew 7:1-2)

    Notice the reason Jesus warns against judgment.

    That sounds like a judgment to me.


    The danger in passing judgment on others is that we’ll have our own
    standard come back to haunt us, like the spirit of judgments past.

    Never found that to be a problem.


    When I condemn someone’s behaviour, whether it’s blatantly sinful or
    just different to my own, I almost NEVER use the proper standard of
    judgment.

    Whatever that is meant to mean who knows.


    I pass judgment according to my own strengths and opinions.

    Everyone does , even Jesus did apparently.


    Not that anyone in their right mind actually believes what someone said Jesus said.


    You should have found and read the whole article, Dave!

    Google is your friend!

    --
    Kind regards,
    David B.

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  • From T@21:1/5 to nospam on Fri Aug 5 20:18:22 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 8/4/22 02:00, nospam wrote:
    In article <tcfdol$2ni5p$1@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:


    Even if you do not use Linux, it is a grand idea
    to have these flash drives around to rescue your
    OS in times of trouble, especially if you are
    running Windows.

    linux is not particularly useful to resolve problems on a mac, or
    windows for that matter.

    Uhhhh. I do it all the time. I recover file,s
    remove viruses, test hardware, reset passwords,
    edit the registry, check for stray networks, and
    on and on and so forth.

    how do you recover files on a mac, when you said linux can't mount mac
    hard drives?

    I mixed all os'es in the list. Now that you told
    me Linux can manipulate Mac drives, I have to test
    it on the next Mac I see. (Mac's are pretty
    reliable and users hardly use tits feature, so I
    seldom see them.)

    Have you tested it? If so, with what Live spin?


    the best way to deal with problems on a mac is via its own recovery partition, which includes various tools, such as repairing issues with
    the hard drive/ssd, reinstalling the os, as well as terminal and a
    command line for more involved issues. there are also several third
    party tools that have additional options, designed specifically for
    macs.

    I adore the recovery partition!

    also note that macs can install mac os over the internet to a
    completely blank hard drive/ssd (i.e., no recovery partition).


    I thought you said you used all three OS'es?

    i do.

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  • From T@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 5 20:14:57 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

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  • From T@21:1/5 to Joerg Lorenz on Fri Aug 5 20:19:53 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 8/4/22 07:45, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
    Am 04.08.22 um 11:00 schrieb nospam:
    In article <tcfdol$2ni5p$1@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:


    Even if you do not use Linux, it is a grand idea
    to have these flash drives around to rescue your
    OS in times of trouble, especially if you are
    running Windows.

    linux is not particularly useful to resolve problems on a mac, or
    windows for that matter.

    Uhhhh. I do it all the time. I recover file,s
    remove viruses, test hardware, reset passwords,
    edit the registry, check for stray networks, and
    on and on and so forth.

    how do you recover files on a mac, when you said linux can't mount mac
    hard drives?

    Linux can mount hfs+ partitions. At least Mint. But read only.



    I carry a SSD in a USB 3 carrier partitioned with
    MSDOS and Fat32 so such annoyances

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to T@invalid.invalid on Sat Aug 6 10:21:53 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 8/4/22 10:40, Chris wrote:
    T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 8/3/22 20:17, T wrote:
    Uhhhh.  I do it all the time.  I recover file,s
    remove viruses, test hardware, reset passwords,
    edit the registry, check for stray networks, and
    on and on and so forth.

    One of my favourite tests is to go over to
    speedof.me and see whether or not their
    Internet is actually slow.

    When I boot to a Linux flash drive on a Mac,

    What do you do with Apple Silicon Macs? Coz that just doesn't work.



    Never seen one, so I can't say

    As you say Macs are pretty reliable and if they do have a problem are well supported by Apple so you won't see them for a while yet.

    Just a head's up as they now have a unique boot mechanism which isn't recognised by the usual bootable OSes. One org is trying to hack/reverse engineer it:
    https://asahilinux.org/

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to T@invalid.invalid on Sat Aug 6 07:20:49 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    In article <tckmhv$3jnn7$1@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Even if you do not use Linux, it is a grand idea
    to have these flash drives around to rescue your
    OS in times of trouble, especially if you are
    running Windows.

    linux is not particularly useful to resolve problems on a mac, or
    windows for that matter.

    Uhhhh. I do it all the time. I recover file,s
    remove viruses, test hardware, reset passwords,
    edit the registry, check for stray networks, and
    on and on and so forth.

    how do you recover files on a mac, when you said linux can't mount mac
    hard drives?

    I mixed all os'es in the list. Now that you told
    me Linux can manipulate Mac drives, I have to test
    it on the next Mac I see. (Mac's are pretty
    reliable and users hardly use tits feature, so I
    seldom see them.)

    Have you tested it? If so, with what Live spin?

    if i need to recover or repair anything on a mac, i use dedicated mac
    tools, which are far and away more capable than anything available on
    linux.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From T@21:1/5 to nospam on Sat Aug 6 07:02:44 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 8/6/22 04:20, nospam wrote:
    In article <tckmhv$3jnn7$1@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Even if you do not use Linux, it is a grand idea
    to have these flash drives around to rescue your
    OS in times of trouble, especially if you are
    running Windows.

    linux is not particularly useful to resolve problems on a mac, or
    windows for that matter.

    Uhhhh. I do it all the time. I recover file,s
    remove viruses, test hardware, reset passwords,
    edit the registry, check for stray networks, and
    on and on and so forth.

    how do you recover files on a mac, when you said linux can't mount mac
    hard drives?

    I mixed all os'es in the list. Now that you told
    me Linux can manipulate Mac drives, I have to test
    it on the next Mac I see. (Mac's are pretty
    reliable and users hardly use tits feature, so I
    seldom see them.)

    Have you tested it? If so, with what Live spin?

    if i need to recover or repair anything on a mac, i use dedicated mac
    tools, which are far and away more capable than anything available on
    linux.


    Dang. You sounded like you had experience with such
    and I thought you'd know the answer.

    In my experience, I have found that it is very helpful
    to have several ways to do things as if one fails you
    still have other ways of doing things.

    I once used a Windows bootable PE disk to rescue a Linux
    install. For some reason, Linux would not recognize
    a failing floppy drive (yes, I installed the driver)
    and I and I need something on a floppy. Only the
    Windows PE disk could read through the defects.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From T@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 6 07:09:41 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

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  • From T@21:1/5 to Chris on Sat Aug 6 07:23:16 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 8/6/22 03:21, Chris wrote:
    Just a head's up as they now have a unique boot mechanism which isn't recognised by the usual bootable OSes. One org is trying to hack/reverse engineer it:
    https://asahilinux.org/

    Not seeing a Live spin to boot off a flash drive.
    Maybe soon though.

    I really do not see a lot of problems with macs
    though. Mostly it is not realizing that they
    have to exit their programs with the menu bar
    at the top and not knowing how to power off
    or reboot their computes. And not realizing
    how the doc works as a doubling task bar.

    Since M$ has won the application wars, both
    Linux and Mac do not have a lot of things
    to run. So most would do well just getting
    a tablet.

    There are Mac power users out there, but with
    their knowledge level of computing, they
    never call me as they don't have to. These
    are mostly grapic designers.

    My favourite OS to work on is Linux. I
    do not have to troubleshoot the ENDLESS
    system issues and can concentrate on
    application training and network and such.
    Most of my customers are M$ though.

    That said, I am perfectly well aware that I
    would not have a job if it was not for M$'s
    atrocious quality.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to T@invalid.invalid on Sat Aug 6 11:42:59 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    In article <tclsn7$3t39j$1@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Apple does not play well with other kiddies
    in the sand box.

    yes they do, much more than microsoft.

    They screw with Go To Assist on their iPads
    big time and are a pain in the ass with
    Go To Assist on Macs.

    any problems are entirely the fault of go to assist, not apple.

    apple has no control whatsoever over the quality of third party apps,
    nor does microsoft or google, for that matter.

    Read only NTFS pisses
    me off.

    ntfs is proprietary and microsoft refuses to play with the other
    kiddies.

    that means that ntfs support had to be reverse engineered, and not just
    for mac os either.

    reading is not an issue, however, supporting writing to an unsupported
    file system risks data loss, which would be very bad. people really
    don't like it when they lose the contents of their entire hard drive or
    ssd.

    that's why apple disables writing by default, so that there is no risk
    for data loss.

    however, there is a tweak to enable writeable ntfs and there are also
    third party options. because it's officially unsupported, use at your
    own risk.

    Screwing with the boot would just be another
    example.

    they didn't screw with the boot.

    they did make a few changes for security, because unfortunately, we
    live in a world where that's needed.

    And it would put a dent in those
    customers that buy Macs because the hardware is
    of higher quality and then reformat them for
    Windows.

    almost nobody does that anymore.

    a recent survey showed it was in the low single digit percentages.

    also note that microsoft refuses to license windows on arm for apple
    silicon macs, yet another example of microsoft not playing with the
    other kiddies.

    It always gives me a start when I boot up a Mac
    and stare at Windows 7. Chuckle. Guess
    they never heard of Parallels, which runs
    really well on a Mac.

    many people have heard of parallels as well as vmware, virtualbox and
    various others.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to T@invalid.invalid on Sat Aug 6 11:43:01 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    In article <tclsa5$3svei$1@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Even if you do not use Linux, it is a grand idea
    to have these flash drives around to rescue your
    OS in times of trouble, especially if you are
    running Windows.

    linux is not particularly useful to resolve problems on a mac, or
    windows for that matter.

    Uhhhh. I do it all the time. I recover file,s
    remove viruses, test hardware, reset passwords,
    edit the registry, check for stray networks, and
    on and on and so forth.

    how do you recover files on a mac, when you said linux can't mount mac >>> hard drives?

    I mixed all os'es in the list. Now that you told
    me Linux can manipulate Mac drives, I have to test
    it on the next Mac I see. (Mac's are pretty
    reliable and users hardly use tits feature, so I
    seldom see them.)

    Have you tested it? If so, with what Live spin?

    if i need to recover or repair anything on a mac, i use dedicated mac tools, which are far and away more capable than anything available on linux.


    Dang. You sounded like you had experience with such
    and I thought you'd know the answer.

    i do.

    In my experience, I have found that it is very helpful
    to have several ways to do things as if one fails you
    still have other ways of doing things.

    true, but it's important to start with the best tool for the job.

    in the event that fails (not likely, but possible), then investigate
    other options.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From T@21:1/5 to nospam on Sat Aug 6 14:53:35 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 8/6/22 08:43, nospam wrote:
    In article <tclsa5$3svei$1@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    In my experience, I have found that it is very helpful
    to have several ways to do things as if one fails you
    still have other ways of doing things.

    true, but it's important to start with the best tool for the job.

    in the event that fails (not likely, but possible), then investigate
    other options.

    When the common methods come down around your ears,
    it is nice to already know about the not so common
    methods in advance.

    One of the biggies with Mac is folks forgetting
    their password and especially their Apple ID.
    (Happens when they never reboot and forget.)

    I can reset passwords in Windows and Linux, but
    do not know how to in Mac. And Apple ID is
    almost impossible when the user sets it up
    with a cell number that they change after a
    few months and don't update Apple ID. Two
    factor can be a pain in the ass at times.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From T@21:1/5 to nospam on Sat Aug 6 14:15:45 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 8/6/22 08:42, nospam wrote:
    In article <tclsn7$3t39j$1@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Apple does not play well with other kiddies
    in the sand box.

    yes they do, much more than microsoft.

    My experience is that M$ does not care and does whatever
    they want and Apple goes out of their way to be proprietary


    They screw with Go To Assist on their iPads
    big time and are a pain in the ass with
    Go To Assist on Macs.

    any problems are entirely the fault of go to assist, not apple.

    Oh ya and it does not have ANYTHING to do with Apple
    not being forthcoming with Go To Assist. Nothing
    at all. Nothing I tell you!


    apple has no control whatsoever over the quality of third party apps,
    nor does microsoft or google, for that matter.

    Read only NTFS pisses
    me off.

    ntfs is proprietary and microsoft refuses to play with the other
    kiddies.
    that means that ntfs support had to be reverse engineered, and not just
    for mac os either.

    Oh ya, you are REAL familiar with Linux. Look up
    NTFS-3G before making that stupid statement again.

    Screwing with the boot would just be another
    example.

    they didn't screw with the boot.

    Not being stand means they screwed with it.

    >> And it would put a dent in those
    customers that buy Macs because the hardware is
    of higher quality and then reformat them for
    Windows.

    almost nobody does that anymore.

    That is good news for me. I won't waste hours
    looking up how to do things on Mac OS because the
    customer insisting they are running Mac OS over
    the phone and when I get there, I find Windows 7.
    And when I tell they they are not running Mac
    OS , they act like I am an idiot and am
    totally incompetent.

    Buy a business class PC and your get good quality.


    a recent survey showed it was in the low single digit percentages.

    also note that microsoft refuses to license windows on arm for apple
    silicon macs, yet another example of microsoft not playing with the
    other kiddies.

    Never said M$ did not play well. My experience, Apple
    is worse.


    It always gives me a start when I boot up a Mac
    and stare at Windows 7. Chuckle. Guess
    they never heard of Parallels, which runs
    really well on a Mac.

    many people have heard of parallels as well as vmware, virtualbox and
    various others.

    I have found Parallels works really well on Mac. Do do have
    to keep my mouth shut when the user announces they are M$ free, when
    they paid M$ for a Parallels and Windows license.

    On my Fedora machine, I run qemu-kvm. It is awesome.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From T@21:1/5 to nospam on Sat Aug 6 14:47:05 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 8/6/22 08:43, nospam wrote:
    In article <tcltgl$3t9va$1@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    I really do not see a lot of problems with macs
    though. Mostly it is not realizing that they
    have to exit their programs with the menu bar
    at the top

    there's no need to manually quit apps. unused apps consume no resources
    and are paged out. in the event they're needed, they're ready to be
    used. also, the system may also quit them if needed.

    How said anything about unused apps? I find they
    have multiple apps running and do not realize it
    because they "X"ed out the window. And they are
    running out of resources.

    I did a go to assist last week with a Mac user
    that could not figure out what the extra programs
    where on the right. I explained. I am not sure
    they took it in.


    and not knowing how to power off
    or reboot their computes.

    there is no need to power off or reboot the computer in normal use.

    There is. But no where as often as Windows.

    I tell my customers to reboot:

    Windows: turn it off every night. For 24/7
    users, I install an 3 AM reboot.
    Or whenever it act really weird.
    and I disable Fast Boot (Fast Startup)

    Mac: once a year or whenever it starts to
    act really weird

    Linux: whenever you pour coffee down it and
    kick it over.

    PC motherboards: power off and pull the plug out
    the back for 20 minutes once a year

    I do like to reboot my Fedora whenever I get a
    new kernel update. And Linux is actually working
    on how to do a kernel update on the fly now too.

    I personally power off every night and flip
    off the power switch on the outlet strip,
    so no motherboard issues.


    if the computer needs to be moved to a new location (and uses mains
    power) or won't be used for an extended period of time, then powering
    it off is appropriate.

    rebooting is only needed for major system updates or to resolve major problems.

    Look up "memory leak". That is the first thing
    I check for.


    otherwise, sleep is the best option.

    True, most of the time.

    And not realizing
    how the doc works as a doubling task bar.

    people understand how the dock works.

    You live in a fantasy world. Most only know how to
    use it to start programs. They do not know how to
    drag new programs to it and do not know what the
    hell all that stuff the the right is


    Since M$ has won the application wars, both
    Linux and Mac do not have a lot of things
    to run.

    true for linux, but definitely not true for mac. there is a substantial number of mac-only apps.

    Mostly graphic design apps. Linux users are slowly
    learning about Inkscape.

    And I can not get any small business on Mac or Linux
    as the applications they need are simply not available.
    And Wine is still in Alpha mode. I personalty use
    Wine, but it is so unstable and has so, so many
    bugs, it makes my head spin at times. There are
    a few programs need I still have to run in an VM.

    Where I do see Mac in business, those running it
    are locked out of the major (Windows) programs
    used by the office. I sometimes suspect that is
    done on purpose. They only want certain folks
    to have access to certain things and Mac limits
    them. Plus is is hard to get infected.


    There are Mac power users out there, but with
    their knowledge level of computing, they
    never call me as they don't have to. These
    are mostly grapic designers.

    mac power users include much more than graphic designers.

    I am sure there are. Mostly that is all I see.

    Oh and they have a Windows computer to somewhere
    in their office to get their other stuff accomplished.

    Quickbooks is an example. There is a version for Mac,
    but is sucks so bad that folks usually wind up getting
    a Windows computer to run it. And their accountant
    tells them to go get a Winnows computer or they won't
    accept their files from them. I have personally
    witnessed this at an accounting firm. I have also told
    Mac Quickbooks users if they want it to stop crashing,
    they have to move to Windows.

    Quickbooks now has a cloud based version, but it is
    not as nice as their desktop. I personalty find it
    creepy to leave your accoutring information on someone
    else's server.

    Had one customer years ago that air gapped their
    Quickbooks machine to make sure there was not
    chance of catching a virus. The lady was EXTREMELY
    pissed. Could not do her social media at work.
    They made the right choice with her.

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 6 23:11:07 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 06/08/2022 22:53, T wrote:
    On 8/6/22 08:43, nospam wrote:
    In article <tclsa5$3svei$1@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    In my experience, I have found that it is very helpful
    to have several ways to do things as if one fails you
    still have other ways of doing things.

    true, but it's important to start with the best tool for the job.

    in the event that fails (not likely, but possible), then investigate
    other options.

    When the common methods come down around your ears,
    it is nice to already know about the not so common
    methods in advance.

    One of the biggies with Mac is folks forgetting
    their password and especially their Apple ID.
    (Happens when they never reboot and forget.)

    I can reset passwords in Windows and Linux, but
    do not know how to in Mac.  And Apple ID is
    almost impossible when the user sets it up
    with a cell number that they change after a
    few months and don't update Apple ID.  Two
    factor can be a pain in the ass at times.

    Put THIS date in your diary, 'T'! :-D

    https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201487

    --
    Kind regards,
    David B.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to T@invalid.invalid on Sat Aug 6 18:29:35 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    In article <tcmlm2$3fp2$1@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Apple does not play well with other kiddies
    in the sand box.

    yes they do, much more than microsoft.

    My experience is that M$ does not care and does whatever
    they want and Apple goes out of their way to be proprietary

    microsoft is well known for proprietary standards, including active x,
    .net, wma/wmv, ntfs, smb, exfat, modifying html so that internet
    explorer and their servers had special features so that netscape would
    not render sites properly and much more. most of those have been
    reverse engineered, with varying levels of success.

    long ago, i had a trendnet router that supported pptp vpn, except it
    only worked from microsoft clients (although it didn't say that). other clients, including macs, linux and other routers could not connect.

    their surface laptops have a proprietary power connector: <https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/d/microsoft-surface-65w-power-supply/90 z4l7rp2zvs?activetab=pivot:overviewtab>

    apple goes well out of their way to be standards compliant wherever
    possible, including mp3, aac, usb pd, cups printing and much more.

    They screw with Go To Assist on their iPads
    big time and are a pain in the ass with
    Go To Assist on Macs.

    any problems are entirely the fault of go to assist, not apple.

    Oh ya and it does not have ANYTHING to do with Apple
    not being forthcoming with Go To Assist. Nothing
    at all. Nothing I tell you!

    go to assist is not an apple product, therefore apple cannot be the
    cause of any problems.

    apple has no control whatsoever over the quality of third party apps,
    nor does microsoft or google, for that matter.

    Read only NTFS pisses
    me off.

    ntfs is proprietary and microsoft refuses to play with the other
    kiddies.
    that means that ntfs support had to be reverse engineered, and not just
    for mac os either.

    Oh ya, you are REAL familiar with Linux.

    i am, yes.

    Look up
    NTFS-3G before making that stupid statement again.

    if you insist.

    ntfs 3g was reverse engineered. it was not licensed from microsoft.

    <https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/117006/how-was-ntfs-3g-created>
    Since NTFS is a proprietary file system created by Microsoft, how did
    the ntfs-3g developers manage to create an open source version of the
    NTFS drivers without referring to the NTFS source code? Or is there
    some kind of agreement with Microsoft regarding this??
    ...
    ntfs-3g is the following of the first NTFS driver created back in
    1995 by Martin von Lwis.

    The driver has been mostly reverse engineered which mean by observing
    and analyzing the data structure and find a way to correctly handling
    it.

    According to the original project site
    The method was roughly:
    1 Look at the volume with a hex editor
    2 Perform some operation, e.g. create a file
    3 Use the hex editor to look for changes
    4 Classify and document the changes
    5 Repeat steps 1-4 forever

    After a long developement and a laborious work, a fork has been
    created from NTFS-Linux according to the first release note of
    ntfs-3g back in 2006:



    Screwing with the boot would just be another
    example.

    they didn't screw with the boot.

    Not being stand means they screwed with it.

    it's standard, just more secure.

    as i said, we live in a world where more secure is an unfortunate
    necessity.

    one change is that mac os is now on its own secure read-only container,
    which makes it *impossible* for bad actors to compromise or modify the
    os in any way, namely with malware.

    it's done transparently to the user, so they still see only one boot
    drive.

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 6 23:43:48 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 06/08/2022 23:29, nospam answered 'T's staetment

    and do not know what the
    hell all that stuff the the right is

    that stuff to the right on the dock are minimized windows/folders,
    recent apps and the trash bin.

    Mine has 'Downloads' too!

    --
    Kind regards,
    David B.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to BDB@invalid.invalid on Sat Aug 6 18:45:13 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    In article <E8CHK.2022140$AS_9.1246463@fx12.ams1>, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    and do not know what the
    hell all that stuff the the right is

    that stuff to the right on the dock are minimized windows/folders,
    recent apps and the trash bin.

    Mine has 'Downloads' too!

    that's a folder.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From T@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 6 18:31:50 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

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  • From T@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Sat Aug 6 19:04:17 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 8/6/22 15:11, David Brooks wrote:
    On 06/08/2022 22:53, T wrote:


    Put THIS date in your diary, 'T'! :-D

    https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201487


    Have you ever managed that when they have defunct
    phone numbers and physical addresses? (New
    phones after they have moved several times. We
    get a lot of retired California refugees here.)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to T@invalid.invalid on Sat Aug 6 22:18:50 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    In article <tcn6j4$ad1t$1@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Have you ever managed that when they have defunct
    phone numbers and physical addresses? (New
    phones after they have moved several times. We
    get a lot of retired California refugees here.)

    that doesn't matter. some people use fake info.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From T@21:1/5 to nospam on Sat Aug 6 20:01:43 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 8/6/22 19:18, nospam wrote:
    In article <tcn6j4$ad1t$1@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Have you ever managed that when they have defunct
    phone numbers and physical addresses? (New
    phones after they have moved several times. We
    get a lot of retired California refugees here.)

    that doesn't matter. some people use fake info.

    If you don't know, I wish you would not reply

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 7 06:52:24 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 07/08/2022 03:04, T wrote:
    On 8/6/22 15:11, David Brooks wrote:
    On 06/08/2022 22:53, T wrote:


    Put THIS date in your diary, 'T'! :-D

    https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201487


    Have you ever managed that when they have defunct
    phone numbers and physical addresses?  (New
    phones after they have moved several times.  We
    get a lot of retired California refugees here.)

    NO.

    I can only speak for myself and what I have done on family equipment.

    --
    Kind regards,
    David B.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From T@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 7 01:43:05 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to T@invalid.invalid on Sun Aug 7 05:57:31 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    In article <tcn9uo$b62k$2@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Have you ever managed that when they have defunct
    phone numbers and physical addresses? (New
    phones after they have moved several times. We
    get a lot of retired California refugees here.)

    that doesn't matter. some people use fake info.

    If you don't know, I wish you would not reply

    i do know, and it doesn't matter. i have had apple ids since before
    they were email-based, roughly 30 years ago. don't tell me what does
    and doesn't work.

    the email does need to be correct, but that's about it. trusted devices
    get an os-level notification, *not* a text. the phone number is rarely
    needed.

    <https://support.apple.com/library/content/dam/edam/applecare/images/en_ US/appleid/macos-monterey-sign-in-notification.png>

    <https://support.apple.com/library/content/dam/edam/applecare/images/en_ US/appleid/ios14-iphone-11-pro-ipad-pro-two-factor-authentication-hero.j


    the physical address only matters for delivery of a physical item
    ordered at the online apple store. if someone never orders physical
    items, then that can be anything.

    as i said, some people use fake info (other than an email) without any
    issues.

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to T@invalid.invalid on Sun Aug 7 09:35:28 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 8/6/22 08:42, nospam wrote:
    In article <tclsn7$3t39j$1@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Read only NTFS pisses
    me off.

    ntfs is proprietary and microsoft refuses to play with the other
    kiddies.
    that means that ntfs support had to be reverse engineered, and not just
    for mac os either.

    Oh ya, you are REAL familiar with Linux. Look up
    NTFS-3G before making that stupid statement again.

    That was created *despite* MS. It was the result of a reverse engineering exercise which forced MS's hand at a time when they were being investigated
    for monopolistic practices so they tacitly accepted it.


    It always gives me a start when I boot up a Mac
    and stare at Windows 7. Chuckle. Guess
    they never heard of Parallels, which runs
    really well on a Mac.

    many people have heard of parallels as well as vmware, virtualbox and
    various others.

    I have found Parallels works really well on Mac. Do do have
    to keep my mouth shut when the user announces they are M$ free, when
    they paid M$ for a Parallels and Windows license.

    On my Fedora machine, I run qemu-kvm. It is awesome.

    qemu works on Mac too. The UTM tool on Apple Silicon is a front end for
    qemu and supports running Linux very well.

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to T@invalid.invalid on Sun Aug 7 09:49:49 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 8/6/22 03:21, Chris wrote:
    Just a head's up as they now have a unique boot mechanism which isn't
    recognised by the usual bootable OSes. One org is trying to hack/reverse
    engineer it:
    https://asahilinux.org/

    Not seeing a Live spin to boot off a flash drive.
    Maybe soon though.

    Maybe.

    I really do not see a lot of problems with macs
    though. Mostly it is not realizing that they
    have to exit their programs with the menu bar
    at the top and not knowing how to power off
    or reboot their computes. And not realizing
    how the doc works as a doubling task bar.

    Since M$ has won the application wars, both
    Linux and Mac do not have a lot of things
    to run.

    That's laughable.

    There are Mac power users out there, but with
    their knowledge level of computing, they
    never call me as they don't have to. These
    are mostly grapic designers.

    As you never see them, you have no idea what they do. I use my Mac professionally and I'm not a graphic designer. I'm not unique in my area of work.

    My favourite OS to work on is Linux.

    It used to be mine, but it's almost impossible to work with others in a professional environment. MacOS is a far better *nix machine.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to T@invalid.invalid on Sun Aug 7 06:40:49 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    In article <tco448$hhs1$1@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Oh ya, you are REAL familiar with Linux. Look up
    NTFS-3G before making that stupid statement again.
    That was created*despite* MS. It was the result of a reverse engineering exercise which forced MS's hand at a time when they were being investigated for monopolistic practices so they tacitly accepted it.

    And it works very well too. And better at times than M$'s version.

    it cannot, since microsoft defines what ntfs is.

    I have used it to recover files that mysteriously went missing on Windows, but I could find them with a Live Fedora USB. I use NTFS-3g all the
    time. I wouldn't kill Apple to include it. But noooooo.

    mac os has had ntfs support for nearly 20 years, and about 15 years
    ago, apple hired the person who originally wrote ntfs for linux.


    Speaking of not playing nice with the other kiddies
    in the sand box, do you think Apple will ever relent
    and let us run Mac OS in a Virtual Machine on non
    Apple hardware?

    no, and that has nothing to do with playing nice with kiddies and
    everything to do with licensing and support. that said, people have
    done it.

    M$ does not give a damn if you do
    with their stuff.

    oh yes they do.

    microsoft refuses to license windows on arm for apple silicon macs,
    including using it in a virtual machine.

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  • From T@21:1/5 to Chris on Sun Aug 7 03:28:23 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 8/7/22 02:35, Chris wrote:
    Oh ya, you are REAL familiar with Linux. Look up
    NTFS-3G before making that stupid statement again.
    That was created*despite* MS. It was the result of a reverse engineering exercise which forced MS's hand at a time when they were being investigated for monopolistic practices so they tacitly accepted it.

    And it works very well too. And better at times than M$'s version. I
    have used it to recover files that mysteriously went missing on Windows,
    but I could find them with a Live Fedora USB. I use NTFS-3g all the
    time. I wouldn't kill Apple to include it. But noooooo.


    On my Fedora machine, I run qemu-kvm. It is awesome.
    qemu works on Mac too. The UTM tool on Apple Silicon is a front end for
    qemu and supports running Linux very well.

    Very cool!

    Speaking of not playing nice with the other kiddies
    in the sand box, do you think Apple will ever relent
    and let us run Mac OS in a Virtual Machine on non
    Apple hardware? M$ does not give a damn if you do
    with their stuff.

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  • From T@21:1/5 to Chris on Sun Aug 7 04:36:03 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 8/7/22 02:49, Chris wrote:
    Since M$ has won the application wars, both
    Linux and Mac do not have a lot of things
    to run.

    That's laughable.


    You mean pathetic. I can not get my small
    business customers off Windows for my life. And
    Point of Sale software running credit cards
    with their high security requirements is insane
    to run on Windows.

    There are six way to do everyting is Windows.
    If you are lucky, there maybe one or two in Linux
    and Mac. Windows is a piece of crap, but my
    small business customers are stuck with it.
    I can help a lot though.

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  • From T@21:1/5 to nospam on Sun Aug 7 04:31:17 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 8/7/22 03:40, nospam wrote:
    In article <tco448$hhs1$1@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Oh ya, you are REAL familiar with Linux. Look up
    NTFS-3G before making that stupid statement again.
    That was created*despite* MS. It was the result of a reverse engineering >>> exercise which forced MS's hand at a time when they were being investigated >>> for monopolistic practices so they tacitly accepted it.

    And it works very well too. And better at times than M$'s version.

    it cannot, since microsoft defines what ntfs is.

    I have used it to recover files that mysteriously went missing on Windows, >> but I could find them with a Live Fedora USB. I use NTFS-3g all the
    time. I wouldn't kill Apple to include it. But noooooo.

    mac os has had ntfs support for nearly 20 years, and about 15 years
    ago, apple hired the person who originally wrote ntfs for linux.


    Speaking of not playing nice with the other kiddies
    in the sand box, do you think Apple will ever relent
    and let us run Mac OS in a Virtual Machine on non
    Apple hardware?

    no, and that has nothing to do with playing nice with kiddies and
    everything to do with licensing and support. that said, people have
    done it.

    M$ does not give a damn if you do
    with their stuff.

    oh yes they do.

    microsoft refuses to license windows on arm for apple silicon macs,
    including using it in a virtual machine.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning

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  • From T@21:1/5 to nospam on Sun Aug 7 04:37:48 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 8/7/22 02:57, nospam wrote:
    some people use fake info (other than an email) without any
    issues.

    They just have to remember what it was.

    They see fictitious kids on TV hacking the
    CIA in five minutes. They think I can
    hack anything.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 7 14:08:46 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 07/08/2022 12:31, T wrote:
    [....]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning

    I've never heard that term before!

    Thanks.

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  • From Wolffan@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 7 09:23:23 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 07 Aug 2022, T wrote
    (in article <tco448$hhs1$1@dont-email.me>):

    On 8/7/22 02:35, Chris wrote:
    Oh ya, you are REAL familiar with Linux. Look up
    NTFS-3G before making that stupid statement again.
    That was created*despite* MS. It was the result of a reverse engineering exercise which forced MS's hand at a time when they were being investigated for monopolistic practices so they tacitly accepted it.

    And it works very well too.

    errrmmm.... it’s incredibly bloody slow. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS-3G and the ‘Performance’ subsection. Speed thrills... and ntfs-3g has no thrills at all, particularly on older hardware.

    Personally I use Paragon’s NTFS stuff. ntfs-3g is free, and worth every penny. Paragon NTFS is not free, and is actually fast. Speed thrills. I’m willing to pay for speed.
    And better at times than M$'s version.

    no, it’s not. It’s slow, and has been known to have issuess with
    removable drives.
    I
    have used it to recover files that mysteriously went missing on Windows,
    but I could find them with a Live Fedora USB. I use NTFS-3g all the
    time. I wouldn't kill Apple to include it. But noooooo.

    Apple’s systems can read NTFS. If all you need to do is find something on
    an NTFS drive, it’s already possible to do that.


    On my Fedora machine, I run qemu-kvm. It is awesome.
    qemu works on Mac too. The UTM tool on Apple Silicon is a front end for qemu and supports running Linux very well.

    Very cool!

    Speaking of not playing nice with the other kiddies
    in the sand box, do you think Apple will ever relent
    and let us run Mac OS in a Virtual Machine on non
    Apple hardware? M$ does not give a damn

    incorrect. for example, MS will NOT let Windows VMs run on Apple Silicon Macs... unless you pull an unsupported hack.
    if you do
    with their stuff.

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  • From Wolffan@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Sun Aug 7 09:25:17 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 07 Aug 2022, David Brooks wrote
    (in article <yPOHK.2087764$AS_9.1417463@fx12.ams1>):

    On 07/08/2022 12:31, T wrote:
    [....]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning

    I've never heard that term before!

    Thanks.

    there are many, many, MANY things that you don’t know, vile one. Starting with how to behave yourself.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to T@invalid.invalid on Sun Aug 7 10:58:18 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    In article <tco86c$igud$2@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    some people use fake info (other than an email) without any
    issues.

    They just have to remember what it was.

    well yes, although only for new devices. existing devices auto-fill the
    apple id email, needing only the password, and only in very specific circumstances.

    if they forget the password, then they will need to be able to receive
    email at that address for the reset password message. otherwise, they
    don't need to check that email.

    if someone forgets both the apple id and the password, they are going
    to have all sorts of problems. this is by design, so that people can't
    easily steal a mac, ipad or iphone and start using it.

    They see fictitious kids on TV hacking the
    CIA in five minutes. They think I can
    hack anything.

    what an odd thing to think about.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to Wolffan on Sun Aug 7 10:58:21 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    In article <0001HW.289FF4BD030A06067000077AD38F@news.supernews.com>,
    Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:

    On 07 Aug 2022, David Brooks wrote
    (in article <yPOHK.2087764$AS_9.1417463@fx12.ams1>):
    I've never heard that term before!

    Thanks.

    there are many, many, MANY things that you dont know, vile one. Starting with how to behave yourself.

    it's much easier to count the things he does know, which are few. in
    fact, it can be done using only one hand.

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 7 17:19:23 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    Am 07.08.22 um 10:43 schrieb T:
    Family friendly Open DNS:
    DNS1: 208.67.222.123
    DNS2: 208.67.220.123

    With a direct relay to the NSA?
    Never ever use these DNA-servers!

    --
    Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

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  • From Bob Campbell@21:1/5 to nospam on Sun Aug 7 17:09:42 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    Now, both VMWare and Parallels have VMs which can run
    Windows VMs on Silicon Macs... without support from MS. And MS really
    doesn¹t like it.

    yep, and what's most amusing is that windows on arm is actually faster
    on a mac than on windows surface hardware.

    And it’s fairly obvious why MS does this. The last thing Microsoft wants
    to see are reviews stating that “If you need the absolute fastest WOA
    machine on the planet, get an M1 Mac.”

    paul thurrott, a well known microsoft pundit and author of numerous
    books about windows, has bashed microsoft for that and it's rare he
    bashes microsoft for anything.

    I would expect nothing else from the #1 Microsoft fan boy.

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to Bob Campbell on Sun Aug 7 20:21:28 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    Bob Campbell <nunya@none.none> wrote:
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    Now, both VMWare and Parallels have VMs which can run
    Windows VMs on Silicon Macs... without support from MS. And MS really
    doesn¹t like it.

    yep, and what's most amusing is that windows on arm is actually faster
    on a mac than on windows surface hardware.

    And it’s fairly obvious why MS does this. The last thing Microsoft wants to see are reviews stating that “If you need the absolute fastest WOA machine on the planet, get an M1 Mac.”

    It wouldn't be the first time though. Back in the day when we had PC
    Magazines a very prominent UK one had Macbooks as their best in class
    windows laptops for a while :D

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to T@invalid.invalid on Sun Aug 7 20:26:29 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 8/7/22 02:49, Chris wrote:
    Since M$ has won the application wars, both
    Linux and Mac do not have a lot of things
    to run.

    That's laughable.


    You mean pathetic. I can not get my small
    business customers off Windows for my life.

    Niche developers are always going to go with the lowest common denominator.


    In no way does this mean a win or loss for "application wars".

    And
    Point of Sale software running credit cards
    with their high security requirements is insane
    to run on Windows.

    Most I've seen are simply embedded systems. A PC is massive overkill.

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  • From T@21:1/5 to Wolffan on Sun Aug 7 15:05:16 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 8/7/22 06:23, Wolffan wrote:
    Speaking of not playing nice with the other kiddies
    in the sand box, do you think Apple will ever relent
    and let us run Mac OS in a Virtual Machine on non
    Apple hardware? M$ does not give a damn

    incorrect. for example, MS will NOT let Windows VMs run on Apple Silicon Macs... unless you pull an unsupported hack.

    Does this include their own stuff too (parallels)?

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  • From Wolffan@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 7 18:14:38 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 07 Aug 2022, T wrote
    (in article <tcpcus$n94b$2@dont-email.me>):

    On 8/7/22 06:23, Wolffan wrote:
    Speaking of not playing nice with the other kiddies
    in the sand box, do you think Apple will ever relent
    and let us run Mac OS in a Virtual Machine on non
    Apple hardware? M$ does not give a damn

    incorrect. for example, MS will NOT let Windows VMs run on Apple Silicon Macs... unless you pull an unsupported hack.

    Does this include their own stuff too (parallels)?

    Parallels isn’t a MS product. And no. officially you’re not supposed to
    run a Windows VM using Parallels (or VMWare) on a Silicon Mac. Unofficially, there are ways to do that. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/07/newest-vmware-fusion-beta-supports- windows-11-on-apple-silicon-macs/

    Note this passage:

    "Virtualizing the Arm version of Windows still isn't officially supported by Microsoft. The company only licenses the Arm version of Windows to PC makers who are building PCs with Arm processors. This means jumping through lots of extra hoops to get Windows installed in VMware Fusion in the first place,
    since you can't simply download an ISO file as you can for the x86 version of Windows. You need todownload a Hyper-V disk image of a Windows 11 beta build from Microsoft's Windows Insider site (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software- download/windowsinsiderpreviewARM64), convert the .VHDX file to a VMware-compatible VMDK file using separately downloaded Qemu software (https://www.qemu.org/), create a virtual machine using that disk file, and then continue to install new beta builds as they're available so that the
    build you're using doesn't expire.”

    MS doesn’t want Windows on Silicon Macs just yet, and they’re making it difficult to do.

    Apple doesn’t give a shit. Apple is a hardware company, once you buy the hardware you can do what you like. (‘What you like’ might blow the warranty, but Apple won’t stop you doing it...)

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  • From T@21:1/5 to Chris on Sun Aug 7 15:19:12 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 8/7/22 13:26, Chris wrote:
    T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 8/7/22 02:49, Chris wrote:
    Since M$ has won the application wars, both
    Linux and Mac do not have a lot of things
    to run.

    That's laughable.


    You mean pathetic. I can not get my small
    business customers off Windows for my life.

    Niche developers are always going to go with the lowest common denominator.

    Oh no fooling.

    Me thinks there big work around it to have their stuff
    run in a browser on the cloud. And good luck getting
    them to support Firefox.

    I recommend Brave Browser to my customers. It
    uses the "Blink" rendering engine (same as Chrome),
    does not spy on you, and has automatic ad blocking.

    So if a developer only develops for Chrome, Brave
    works fine. And faster too without all the spying.

    I personally find placing your private information
    on the "Cloud" to be a bit creepy. And I do not
    recommend Point-of-sale software that is cloud based.
    Creepy or not, when the Internet goes down, you are
    screwed. The solution, of course, is fail over.
    I am good at it. But getting anyone to pay for
    two concurrent services is, lets put it this way,
    I get to listen to them bitch about the Internet
    being down a lot.




    In no way does this mean a win or loss for "application wars".

    I simply can not get a small business off windows.
    The applications are just not there. They won.
    Does not mean I will not keep trying though.

    My own office is Fedora based. The two pieces
    of software I have to run in VM are Go To Assist
    and Turbo Tax. The rest gets run from Wine.

    You would not believe the number of folks that
    try Libre Office and wind up paying me for M$
    Office. I an not blame them. LO is a bunch of
    screw ups. I use it thought. But mostly
    I use Word Pro.



    And
    Point of Sale software running credit cards
    with their high security requirements is insane
    to run on Windows.

    Most I've seen are simply embedded systems. A PC is massive overkill.

    A cash register and an telephone connect credit
    card terminal gets you around tons of security
    issues with PCI (payment card industry). These
    people do not call me.

    The ones that do call me, have automatic billing,
    credit refunds, sales, and on and on and so forth
    set up. It required a PC. I am really good at
    getting them PCI certified.

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  • From T@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 7 15:20:48 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to T@invalid.invalid on Sun Aug 7 18:38:02 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    In article <tcpdp1$nbok$1@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    I simply can not get a small business off windows.
    The applications are just not there.

    that depends on the business.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to Wolffan on Sun Aug 7 18:38:03 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    In article <0001HW.28A070CE032719FD70000B24038F@news.supernews.com>,
    Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:


    Apple doesnt give a shit. Apple is a hardware company, once you buy the hardware you can do what you like. (What you like might blow the
    warranty, but Apple wont stop you doing it...)

    exactly correct.

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  • From T@21:1/5 to Joerg Lorenz on Sun Aug 7 16:39:21 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 8/7/22 08:19, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
    Am 07.08.22 um 10:43 schrieb T:
    Family friendly Open DNS:
    DNS1: 208.67.222.123
    DNS2: 208.67.220.123

    With a direct relay to the NSA?
    Never ever use these DNA-servers!


    Open DNS is clean. Do you have any evidence
    to the contrary?

    https://www.opendns.com/

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Wolffan@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 7 19:38:45 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 07 Aug 2022, T wrote
    (in article <tcpds0$nbok$2@dont-email.me>):

    On 8/7/22 06:25, Wolffan wrote:
    On 07 Aug 2022, David Brooks wrote
    (in article <yPOHK.2087764$AS_9.1417463@fx12.ams1>):

    On 07/08/2022 12:31, T wrote:
    [....]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning

    I've never heard that term before!

    Thanks.

    there are many, many, MANY things that you don’t know, vile one. Starting with how to behave yourself.

    Maybe you are talking about a different guy, but I
    have not noticed anything off about him. I rather
    enjoy his conversations too.

    Our David has been stalking and sliming various people and products,
    including ClamXAV, EtreCheck, their devs, the mods at various sites including Apple’s own ASC, and assorted individuals including me for nearly two decades. He has, for example, stated that he was ‘reporting’ me for
    various infractions which existed only in his addled mind, to, among others,
    my ISP and my newsfeed. He wanted to get the name of my employer so that he could report me to them. He still tries to stalk me, stating that various 3rd parties are really me. He has done this to multiple other people. He has done things like send me unwanted email, and if I rep[ly, post the headers to try
    to dox me. (That didn’t work. I replied when connected to WalMart’s wireless, so he doxed WalMart... and himself, as _his_ IP was in the headers
    he posted. The silly bugger used his home connection to make the dox
    attempt.)

    He got kicked out of the RN for being a very naughty boy; he denies it... in
    a very careful way.

    He’s extremely racist. The last time that I called him on it, he didn’t bother to deny it.

    He’s very stupid. For example, he thought that x.x.x.x was a valid IPv4 address. Yes, really. He literally read a technical document explaining how IPv4 works and giving examples and thought that x.x.x.x was valid.

    There’s more (his son, for example) but I’ll stop here.


    I did add nospam to my kill file though.

    nospam was perfectly correct in his dealings with you.

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  • From T@21:1/5 to Wolffan on Sun Aug 7 16:41:08 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 8/7/22 16:38, Wolffan wrote:
    I did add nospam to my kill file though.
    nospam was perfectly correct in his dealings with you.


    I have nospam kill files across several newsgroups.

    And now you too.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Wolffan@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 7 20:35:41 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 07 Aug 2022, T wrote
    (in article <tcpiik$nnj1$3@dont-email.me>):

    On 8/7/22 16:38, Wolffan wrote:
    I did add nospam to my kill file though.
    nospam was perfectly correct in his dealings with you.

    I have nospam kill files across several newsgroups.

    And now you too.

    bye.

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 8 09:12:32 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 08/08/2022 00:39, T wrote:
    On 8/7/22 08:19, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
    Am 07.08.22 um 10:43 schrieb T:
    Family friendly Open DNS:
          DNS1: 208.67.222.123
          DNS2: 208.67.220.123

    With a direct relay to the NSA?
    Never ever use these DNA-servers!


    Open DNS is clean.  Do you have any evidence
    to the contrary?

    https://www.opendns.com/


    I thought it was a rather strange thing for Joerg to say.

    I, too, would be interested to review the evidence for his claim.

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 8 09:07:13 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 08/08/2022 00:41, T wrote:
    On 8/7/22 16:38, Wolffan wrote:
    I did add nospam to my kill file though.
    nospam was perfectly correct in his dealings with you.


    I have nospam kill files across several newsgroups.

    And now you too.

    That's good to hear! :-D

    I have an exemplary military record and am proud to have served for over
    twenty years in the Royal Navy.

    --
    Kind regards,
    David B.

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 8 10:47:28 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    Am 08.08.22 um 01:39 schrieb T:
    On 8/7/22 08:19, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
    Am 07.08.22 um 10:43 schrieb T:
    Family friendly Open DNS:
    DNS1: 208.67.222.123
    DNS2: 208.67.220.123

    With a direct relay to the NSA?
    Never ever use these DNA-servers!


    Open DNS is clean. Do you have any evidence
    to the contrary?

    https://www.opendns.com/

    American DNS-Servers are never clean by definition.


    --
    Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 8 10:36:36 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    Am 08.08.22 um 10:12 schrieb David Brooks:
    On 08/08/2022 00:39, T wrote:
    On 8/7/22 08:19, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
    Am 07.08.22 um 10:43 schrieb T:
    Family friendly Open DNS:
          DNS1: 208.67.222.123
          DNS2: 208.67.220.123

    With a direct relay to the NSA?
    Never ever use these DNA-servers!


    Open DNS is clean.  Do you have any evidence
    to the contrary?

    https://www.opendns.com/


    I thought it was a rather strange thing for Joerg to say.

    I, too, would be interested to review the evidence for his claim.

    After extensive research I found out the following:

    https://www.msxfaq.de/cloud/verbindung/opendns.htm

    Open DNS is spying and censoring your traffic. It is second rate in
    terms of performance. I can olny advise not to use it.
    In addition it is not independent.



    --
    Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 8 10:38:44 2022
    Am 08.08.22 um 01:39 schrieb T:
    On 8/7/22 08:19, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
    Am 07.08.22 um 10:43 schrieb T:
    Family friendly Open DNS:
    DNS1: 208.67.222.123
    DNS2: 208.67.220.123

    With a direct relay to the NSA?
    Never ever use these DNA-servers!


    Open DNS is clean. Do you have any evidence
    to the contrary?

    https://www.opendns.com/

    Tons of evidence. It is spying and censoring. It at best second rate in
    terms of performance. Europeans would/should never use such chinese
    style crap.

    --
    Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 8 10:45:54 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    Am 08.08.22 um 10:36 schrieb Joerg Lorenz:
    Am 08.08.22 um 10:12 schrieb David Brooks:
    On 08/08/2022 00:39, T wrote:
    On 8/7/22 08:19, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
    Am 07.08.22 um 10:43 schrieb T:
    Family friendly Open DNS:
          DNS1: 208.67.222.123
          DNS2: 208.67.220.123

    With a direct relay to the NSA?
    Never ever use these DNA-servers!


    Open DNS is clean.  Do you have any evidence
    to the contrary?

    https://www.opendns.com/


    I thought it was a rather strange thing for Joerg to say.

    I, too, would be interested to review the evidence for his claim.

    After extensive research I found out the following:

    https://www.msxfaq.de/cloud/verbindung/opendns.htm

    Open DNS is spying and censoring your traffic. It is second rate in
    terms of performance. I can olny advise not to use it.
    In addition it is not independent.

    The fact that this is an American Company with its resources in the US
    makes OpenDNS absolutely inacceptable for European users with minimal
    privacy requirements.

    --
    Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 8 10:52:43 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    Am 08.08.22 um 01:39 schrieb T:
    On 8/7/22 08:19, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
    Am 07.08.22 um 10:43 schrieb T:
    Family friendly Open DNS:
    DNS1: 208.67.222.123
    DNS2: 208.67.220.123

    With a direct relay to the NSA?
    Never ever use these DNA-servers!


    Open DNS is clean. Do you have any evidence
    to the contrary?

    https://www.opendns.com/

    Use this one:

    https://dns.digitale-gesellschaft.ch

    --
    Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From T@21:1/5 to Joerg Lorenz on Mon Aug 8 02:08:10 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 8/8/22 01:52, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
    Am 08.08.22 um 01:39 schrieb T:
    On 8/7/22 08:19, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
    Am 07.08.22 um 10:43 schrieb T:
    Family friendly Open DNS:
    DNS1: 208.67.222.123
    DNS2: 208.67.220.123

    With a direct relay to the NSA?
    Never ever use these DNA-servers!


    Open DNS is clean. Do you have any evidence
    to the contrary?

    https://www.opendns.com/

    Use this one:

    https://dns.digitale-gesellschaft.ch


    Does it have a family friendly (porn) filter?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From T@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Mon Aug 8 02:06:08 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 8/8/22 01:07, David Brooks wrote:
    On 08/08/2022 00:41, T wrote:
    On 8/7/22 16:38, Wolffan wrote:
    I did add nospam to my kill file though.
    nospam was perfectly correct in his dealings with you.


    I have nospam kill files across several newsgroups.

    And now you too.

    That's good to hear! :-D

    I have an exemplary military record and am proud to have served for over twenty years in the Royal Navy.


    Six years US air force and one medal.

    The thing about newsgroups is that there is
    no censorship, so you can speak freely about
    various subject with out fear of being censored.
    No one is forbidding you from outlining a
    problem in M$ Windows.

    Unfortunately, it allows sociopaths a forum as
    well. Sealioning is one of their favourite
    techniques. So a good kill file is required.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Joerg Lorenz on Mon Aug 8 11:06:02 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 08/08/2022 09:36, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
    Am 08.08.22 um 10:12 schrieb David Brooks:
    On 08/08/2022 00:39, T wrote:
    On 8/7/22 08:19, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
    Am 07.08.22 um 10:43 schrieb T:
    Family friendly Open DNS:
          DNS1: 208.67.222.123
          DNS2: 208.67.220.123

    With a direct relay to the NSA?
    Never ever use these DNA-servers!


    Open DNS is clean.  Do you have any evidence
    to the contrary?

    https://www.opendns.com/


    I thought it was a rather strange thing for Joerg to say.

    I, too, would be interested to review the evidence for his claim.

    After extensive research I found out the following:

    https://www.msxfaq.de/cloud/verbindung/opendns.htm

    Open DNS is spying and censoring your traffic. It is second rate in
    terms of performance. I can olny advise not to use it.
    In addition it is not independent.

    I have tried it in the past and then dropped it. It's a shame I cannot
    read at your link. :-(


    --
    Kind regards,
    David B.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 8 11:35:02 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 08/08/2022 10:06, T wrote:
    On 8/8/22 01:07, David Brooks wrote:
    On 08/08/2022 00:41, T wrote:
    On 8/7/22 16:38, Wolffan wrote:
    I did add nospam to my kill file though.
    nospam was perfectly correct in his dealings with you.


    I have nospam kill files across several newsgroups.

    And now you too.

    That's good to hear! :-D

    I have an exemplary military record and am proud to have served for
    over twenty years in the Royal Navy.


    Six years US air force and one medal.

    Well done you! :-)

    My son is an ex-RAF helicopter pilot. He retired as a Squadron Leader.
    He spent well over four years on secondment to the USAF at Kirtland AFB,
    just outside Albuquerque, New Mexico. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirtland_Air_Force_Base

    My wife and I went out to visit him in 2004. In return for a long
    weekend baby-sitting our grandchildren, he let me borrow his 31ft
    Winnebago motor home (RV) in which we visited the Grand Canyon, drove
    across the Hoover Dam and right across Death Valley. I even have a
    photograph taken at this very spot! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badwater_Basin

    The thing about newsgroups is that there is
    no censorship, so you can speak freely about
    various subject with out fear of being censored.
    No one is forbidding you from outlining a
    problem in M$ Windows.

    One may talk about /anything/ here without censorship!

    Unfortunately, it allows sociopaths a forum as
    well.  Sealioning is one of their favourite
    techniques.  So a good kill file is required.

    Some are not very inventive with their pseudonyms.

    *Arsehole* (asshole) for example! Thinks he's really smart!
    He's just posted a message to you!

    --
    Kind regards,
    David B.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 8 14:03:19 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    Am 08.08.22 um 11:08 schrieb T:
    On 8/8/22 01:52, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
    Am 08.08.22 um 01:39 schrieb T:
    On 8/7/22 08:19, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
    Am 07.08.22 um 10:43 schrieb T:
    Family friendly Open DNS:
    DNS1: 208.67.222.123
    DNS2: 208.67.220.123

    With a direct relay to the NSA?
    Never ever use these DNA-servers!


    Open DNS is clean. Do you have any evidence
    to the contrary?

    https://www.opendns.com/

    Use this one:

    https://dns.digitale-gesellschaft.ch


    Does it have a family friendly (porn) filter?

    No. This would require spying.

    You cannot solve social problems with technology. Your offsprings are
    ways ahead of you.

    --
    Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From T@21:1/5 to Joerg Lorenz on Mon Aug 8 15:06:15 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 8/8/22 05:03, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
    Am 08.08.22 um 11:08 schrieb T:
    On 8/8/22 01:52, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
    Am 08.08.22 um 01:39 schrieb T:
    On 8/7/22 08:19, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
    Am 07.08.22 um 10:43 schrieb T:
    Family friendly Open DNS:
    DNS1: 208.67.222.123
    DNS2: 208.67.220.123

    With a direct relay to the NSA?
    Never ever use these DNA-servers!


    Open DNS is clean. Do you have any evidence
    to the contrary?

    https://www.opendns.com/

    Use this one:

    https://dns.digitale-gesellschaft.ch


    Does it have a family friendly (porn) filter?

    No. This would require spying.

    You cannot solve social problems with technology. Your offsprings are
    ways ahead of you.


    Spying how? It is only matching a list of know
    porn sites with a list of names.

    Do you mean spying on where you go? They
    all do that. If you want around that, you
    have to use Tor.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
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    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

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  • From T@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 8 20:23:58 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 9 08:33:36 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 09/08/2022 04:23, T wrote:
    On 8/8/22 20:14, T wrote:
    British slang explained:
        Henry Cavill and Simon Pegg Teach You English Slang
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eIj1nDUs9g

    Prove that you are really British.  How many of them
    did you catch?

    I forgot to mention it, but I expect 100%
    or I will be DEEPLY ashamed.  I will get
    over it though.


    Yes - I knew 100% :-D

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    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Tue Aug 9 08:32:13 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 09/08/2022 08:28, David Brooks wrote:
    Sadly, my sone

    Oops! Should have been "son"

    Apologies.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 9 08:28:47 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 09/08/2022 04:14, T wrote:
    On 8/8/22 03:35, David Brooks wrote:


    Six years US air force and one medal.

    Well done you! :-)

    My son is an ex-RAF helicopter pilot. He retired as a Squadron Leader.
    He spent well over four years on secondment to the USAF at Kirtland AFB,
    just outside Albuquerque, New Mexico.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirtland_Air_Force_Base

    I served three years in Germany.  Go to go to
    SHAPE in Belgium for a couple of weeks to fix
    some modems that the Germans were baffled by.

    A great tour of duty for a young man! :-D

    Sadly, my sone did two tours in Northern Ireland during "The Troubles"
    and also saw front-line action in Boznia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_War

    They were some RAF on base at Ramstein, or so I
    thought there were.   They once could not get
    a piece of equipment working and had to call
    us for help.  All their guys bombed out.
    Actually, they asked for me.  I was know for
    being able to fix things (still am), though I
    don't know were the heard of me.

    When I got there, I asked where the equipment
    was and their response was "you are leaning on
    it".  After about a half hour, they were up and
    running again.  I went from being thought of as a
    total idiot to a complete genius.  They actually
    called my commander to thank me.  To this day
    I do not remember what it was I fixed.

    That reminds me of a joke!

    A man is flying in a hot air balloon and realizes he is lost. He spots a
    man down below and lowers the balloon to shout: “Excuse me, can you help
    me? I promised my friend I would meet him half an hour ago, but I don’t
    know where I am.”

    The man below says: “Yes. You are in a hot air balloon, hovering approximately 30 feet above this field. You are between 40 and 42
    degrees N. latitude, and between 58 and 60 degrees W. longitude.”

    “You must be an engineer” says the balloonist.

    “I am” replies the man. “How did you know.”

    “Well” says the balloonist, “everything you have told me is technically correct, but I have no idea what to make of your information, and the
    fact is I am still lost.”

    The man below says “You must be a manager.”

    “I am” replies the balloonist, “but how did you know?”

    “Well”, says the man, “you don’t know where you are, or where you are going. You have made a promise which you have no idea how to keep, and
    you expect me to solve your problems. The fact is you are in the exact
    same position you were in before we met, but now it is somehow my fault.”

    One of the great enjoyments of doing this job is
    showing up to a situation I know nothing about
    and solving the problem.  I am known around town
    for it.  I live for these kinds of puzzles.

    I'm known for being a 'Problem Solver' too!

    One customer calls me to fix his TV cabling.
    I make like $20 off him each time he kicks out
    a cord.  Last time was the power cord to his
    sound bar.  It really does not pay to make
    the trip, but it is the right thing to do.

    Helping others *IS* the right thing to do!
    Good for you.

    I also fixed an industrial shredder.  That
    thing could shred 20 pages at a time!

    Most things are fixable, even if only temporarily!

    My wife and I went out to visit him in 2004. In return for a long
    weekend baby-sitting our grandchildren, he let me borrow his 31ft
    Winnebago motor home (RV) in which we visited the Grand Canyon, drove
    across the Hoover Dam and right across Death Valley. I even have a  >
    photograph taken at this very spot!
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badwater_Basin

    Bummer you did not get to visit Yosemite!

    Agreed. :-(

    By the way, most people equate the word Yosemite
    with nature and beauty.  They do not realize
    it came from the local Indians and means something
    to the effect of "ass holes that murder for no
    apparent reason".  It was not one of the finer
    moments in our history.  But justice was
    served when these same ass holes decided to
    do the same thing to an Apache village and got
    their ever living asses handed to them.
    Couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch of guys.

    Are YOU a 'Native American'?
    My old pal Eagle was - and a very fine fellow too!

    The thing about newsgroups is that there is
    no censorship, so you can speak freely about
    various subject with out fear of being censored.
    No one is forbidding you from outlining a
    problem in M$ Windows.

    One may talk about /anything/ here without censorship!

    Can you imagine the criticism of Mac OS I have mentioned
    being even slightly being allowed on a Mac forum?  Windows
    forums are the same.  Oh and don't dare ask a
    question about Windows 7!

    I pretend that I'm the Group Moderator here on ASW.
    SOME visitors think I'm being serious! ;-)

    Unfortunately, it allows sociopaths a forum as
    well.  Sealioning is one of their favourite
    techniques.  So a good kill file is required.

    Some are not very inventive with their pseudonyms.

    *Arsehole* (asshole) for example! Thinks he's really smart!
    He's just posted a message to you!

    British slang explained:
       Henry Cavill and Simon Pegg Teach You English Slang
       https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eIj1nDUs9g

    Prove that you are really British.  How many of them
    did you catch?

    I knew every single word! 100%

    My favorite cuss word substitute:  "Oh Canada!".

    But I've NEVER heard that!

    --
    Kind regards,
    David B.

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  • From T@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 9 02:27:44 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

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  • From T@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 9 02:33:16 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 9 12:28:01 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 09/08/2022 10:27, T wrote:
    On 8/9/22 00:28, David Brooks wrote:

    Are YOU a 'Native American'?
    My old pal Eagle was - and a very fine fellow too!

    Hi David,

    Grams and Gramps on my mother's side were from
    Italy and my gramps.  Grams and Gramps on my
    father side same from England and Switzerland.

    I live in an area surrounded by the Washoe nation.
    They came here about 12,000 to 14,000 years ago
    with only what they could carry (no horses back
    them) and create a functioning society.  They
    are our first pioneers, although they might not
    like that description, and they are to be greatly
    admired as this area is very difficult to live
    in without modern technology.

    This is a very touching prayer from our Cheyenne
    Americas.  It touches me as a former warrier
    and will probably touch you as a former warrior
    too.

    Your in Christ,
    -T


    "What Did The First Warrior Say To The Great Spirit?"

    References:

    http://iamjamesmatthew.tumblr.com/post/56063575408/what-did-the-first-warrior-say-to-the-great-spirit

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBfwnKsHBGI


        The First Warrior looked out on the land and his Home.

        He saw the hills

        And the stars

        And he was happy.

        For giving him his home, the first warrior told the Great Spirit

        That he would fight and win many battles in His honor.

        But the Great Spirit said, “No, do not fight for me.

        Fight for your tribe,

        Fight for the family born to you,

        Fight for the brothers you find.”

        “Fight for them,” the Great Spirit said, “for they are your Home.”


    I found that very moving.

    Thank you. :-D

    South-west USA has some quite wondrous places.

    Have you ever been to Sedona?

    --
    Kind regards,
    David B.

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 9 14:13:14 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 09/08/2022 13:41, T wrote:
    On 8/9/22 04:28, David Brooks wrote:
    Have you ever been to Sedona?

    No, not yet.

    It one of these 'magical' places - a bit like Glastonbury in England.

    Ley Lines and 'stuff'!

    --
    Kind regards,
    David B.

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  • From T@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 9 05:41:33 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 9 16:45:20 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    Am 09.08.22 um 00:06 schrieb T:
    On 8/8/22 05:03, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
    You cannot solve social problems with technology. Your offsprings are
    ways ahead of you.


    Spying how? It is only matching a list of know
    porn sites with a list of names.

    Do you mean spying on where you go? They
    all do that. If you want around that, you
    have to use Tor.

    Wrong. This censorship of the worst kind. And all your accesses are logged.

    And obviously you do not understand that in other jurisdictions such
    things are a no go. TOR is not an option in a really free society.

    --
    Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

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  • From T@21:1/5 to Joerg Lorenz on Tue Aug 9 14:03:27 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 8/9/22 07:45, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
    Am 09.08.22 um 00:06 schrieb T:
    On 8/8/22 05:03, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
    You cannot solve social problems with technology. Your offsprings are
    ways ahead of you.


    Spying how? It is only matching a list of know
    porn sites with a list of names.

    Do you mean spying on where you go? They
    all do that. If you want around that, you
    have to use Tor.

    Wrong. This censorship of the worst kind. And all your accesses are logged.

    And obviously you do not understand that in other jurisdictions such
    things are a no go. TOR is not an option in a really free society.


    What do you use in place of TOR?

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 9 22:55:00 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 09/08/2022 22:03, T wrote:
    On 8/9/22 07:45, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
    Am 09.08.22 um 00:06 schrieb T:
    On 8/8/22 05:03, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
    You cannot solve social problems with technology. Your offsprings are
    ways ahead of you.


    Spying how?  It is only matching a list of know
    porn sites with a list of names.

    Do you mean spying on where you go?  They
    all do that.  If you want around that, you
    have to use Tor.

    Wrong. This censorship of the worst kind. And all your accesses are
    logged.

    And obviously you do not understand that in other jurisdictions such
    things are a no go. TOR is not an option in a really free society.


    What do you use in place of TOR?

    I have NEVER used TOR! ;-)

    Btw, two angels from heaven singing here:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Oliy2ZGdNY

    Enjoy.

    --
    Kind regards,
    David B.

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  • From T@21:1/5 to Joerg Lorenz on Tue Aug 9 15:32:17 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 8/9/22 07:45, Joerg Lorenz wrote:

    Wrong.

    Hi Joerg,

    This is the language trolls and sealions use
    and does not win you any friends.

    If this is not your intention, consider being
    a bit more polite, meaning being a bit more wordy.

    "This is not my experience", "I have not noticed
    this". "from the data I have collected..."

    :-)

    -T

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  • From T@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 9 15:40:36 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Kelly Phillips on Wed Aug 17 14:55:45 2022
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 04/08/2022 02:50, Kelly Phillips wrote:
    On Wed, 3 Aug 2022 23:35:41 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    Btw, I do consider my Mac to be just as secure as Linux! ;-)

    If you think it's so secure, why do you wipe and reinstall so often? By
    your account, you've wiped it 3 times* this year, and we've only entered
    the month of August. You're on pace for 5 reinstalls by the end of the
    year.

    *Is it 3, or have I missed a few?


    You are certainly much less bright than you think you are! :-P

    Under what name may we read your Profile on LinkedIn?
    In fact, a link would be useful.

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