I've bought a new 2TB LaCie external Hard Disk to replace one that Disk Utility said was u/s. The book says to format the HD for use with TM as APFS.
But this doesn't seem to be availalbe on my copy of DU. I'm running Mac OS v12.5.1
The new HD is shown as formatted ExFat on receipt from Apple.
I guess my ignorance is showing.
Peter
I've bought a new 2TB LaCie external Hard Disk to replace one that Disk Utility said was u/s. The book says to format the HD for use with TM as APFS.
But this doesn't seem to be availalbe on my copy of DU. I'm running Mac OS v12.5.1
The new HD is shown as formatted ExFat on receipt from Apple.
I guess my ignorance is showing.
Peter James <pfjames300@gmail.com> wrote:[....]
I've bought a new 2TB LaCie external Hard Disk to replace one that Disk
Utility said was u/s. The book says to format the HD for use with TM as APFS.
But this doesn't seem to be availalbe on my copy of DU. I'm running Mac OS >> v12.5.1
The new HD is shown as formatted ExFat on receipt from Apple.
I guess my ignorance is showing.
Apple just passes on the thing as they gt it from LaCie, I guess.
You need to open the thing in Disk utility,
and do 'Erase', or 'Partition'.
I've bought a new 2TB LaCie external Hard Disk to replace one that Disk Utility said was u/s. The book says to format the HD for use with TM as APFS.
But this doesn't seem to be availalbe on my copy of DU. I'm running Mac OS v12.5.1
The new HD is shown as formatted ExFat on receipt from Apple.
I guess my ignorance is showing.
Peter
On 23 Aug 2022 at 11:16:12 BST, "Peter James" <pfjames300@gmail.com>
wrote:
I've bought a new 2TB LaCie external Hard Disk to replace one that Disk
Utility said was u/s. The book says to format the HD for use with TM as APFS.
But this doesn't seem to be availalbe on my copy of DU. I'm running Mac OS >> v12.5.1
The new HD is shown as formatted ExFat on receipt from Apple.
I guess my ignorance is showing.
Peter
In the leftbar click the topmost level of the LaCie and hit the
"partition" button at the top of the main panel - it'll have a "format" dropdown with APFS.
Cheers - Jaimie
On Aug 23, 2022 at 9:30:00 AM CDT, "Peter James" <pfjames300@gmail.com> wrote:
I can't find an option of APFS
Many external drives <=2TB come with an MBR partition scheme by default (which
is not compatible with APFS). To remedy this, do the following (it will of course erase the drive):
Open Disk Utility and, in the menu bar, click "View" > "Show all Devices."
Then select the highest level for your external drive from the sidebar.
At the top right of the window click "Erase."
This new window should also give you an option to select the partition "Scheme." Ensure it's "GUID Partition Map."
Now, under "Format," "APFS" should appear.
On 23 Aug 2022 at 13:13:49 BST, "Jaimie Vandenbergh" <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:
On 23 Aug 2022 at 11:16:12 BST, "Peter James" <pfjames300@gmail.com>
wrote:
I've bought a new 2TB LaCie external Hard Disk to replace one that Disk
Utility said was u/s. The book says to format the HD for use with TM as APFS.
But this doesn't seem to be availalbe on my copy of DU. I'm running Mac OS
v12.5.1
The new HD is shown as formatted ExFat on receipt from Apple.
I guess my ignorance is showing.
Peter
In the leftbar click the topmost level of the LaCie and hit the
"partition" button at the top of the main panel - it'll have a "format"
dropdown with APFS.
Cheers - Jaimie
The only options it offers are:
MAC OS Extended(Journaled)
MAC OS Extended (case sensitive, Journaled)
MS-DOS (FAT)
Ex FAT
I can't find an option of APFS
Peter
I can't find an option of APFS
Open Disk Utility and, in the menu bar, click "View" > "Show all Devices."
On Aug 23, 2022 at 9:30:00 AM CDT, "Peter James" <pfjames300@gmail.com> wrote:
I can't find an option of APFS
Many external drives <=2TB come with an MBR partition scheme by default (which> is not compatible with APFS).
On 23 Aug 2022 at 11:16:12 BST, "Peter James" <pfjames300@gmail.com>
wrote:
I've bought a new 2TB LaCie external Hard Disk to replace one that Disk
Utility said was u/s. The book says to format the HD for use with TM as APFS.
But this doesn't seem to be availalbe on my copy of DU. I'm running Mac OS >> v12.5.1
The new HD is shown as formatted ExFat on receipt from Apple.
I guess my ignorance is showing.
Peter
In the leftbar click the topmost level of the LaCie and hit the
"partition" button at the top of the main panel - it'll have a "format" dropdown with APFS.
Cheers - Jaimie
Is APFS Recommended for an external HDD Time Machine drive? I was under the impression it was still best to use HFS for spinning drives.
Or has that changed now?
In article <te31gt$31p3a$1@dont-email.me>, Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:
Is APFS Recommended for an external HDD Time Machine drive? I was under the >> impression it was still best to use HFS for spinning drives.
Or has that changed now?
time machine is an exception.
On 23 Aug 2022 at 18:11:56 BST, "nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <te31gt$31p3a$1@dont-email.me>, Andy Hewitt
<thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:
Is APFS Recommended for an external HDD Time Machine drive? I was under the >>> impression it was still best to use HFS for spinning drives.
Or has that changed now?
time machine is an exception.
Plus APFS being disrecommended for HDDs was vastly overblown as an
issue.
Cheers - Jaimie
So at the end of the day, what is my best option when transferring my TM external drive from my 2012 iMac to my shortly arriving 2022 Mac Mini?
Should I format a new drive to APFS and then clone my existing drive to it?
On Aug 23, 2022 at 9:30:00 AM CDT, "Peter James" <pfjames300@gmail.com> wrote:
I can't find an option of APFS
Many external drives <=2TB come with an MBR partition scheme by default (which> is not compatible with APFS). To remedy this, do the following (it will of
course erase the drive):
Open Disk Utility and, in the menu bar, click "View" > "Show all Devices."
Then select the highest level for your external drive from the sidebar.
At the top right of the window click "Erase."
This new window should also give you an option to select the partition "Scheme." Ensure it's "GUID Partition Map."
Now, under "Format," "APFS" should appear.
On 23 Aug 2022 at 21:54:27 BST, "Andy Hewitt" <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:
Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:
On 23 Aug 2022 at 18:11:56 BST, "nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <te31gt$31p3a$1@dont-email.me>, Andy Hewitt
<thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:
Is APFS Recommended for an external HDD Time Machine drive? I was under the
impression it was still best to use HFS for spinning drives.
Or has that changed now?
time machine is an exception.
Plus APFS being disrecommended for HDDs was vastly overblown as an
issue.
Cheers - Jaimie
I’m not sure it was an issue as such, I thought it was usually regarded as >> ‘no point’ on spinning discs. And wasn’t there a time when Time Machine
couldn’t be installed on an APFS drive?
There were a bunch of "the sky is falling" tech reports about APFS being
x% slower than HFS on HDD under certain access patterns. Usual "apple
got something imperfect" clickbait.
And yes, there was a couple of years before TM went over to APFS - they
had to roll back sixteen years worth of "ah crap we're not using ZFS
after all so we can't use the snapshots we designed TM around" code. And
then roll half of it forward again because APFS doesn't support
transferring a snapshot from one storage device to another. Much
eye-rolling in the TM camp, I suspect.
Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:
On 23 Aug 2022 at 18:11:56 BST, "nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <te31gt$31p3a$1@dont-email.me>, Andy Hewitt
<thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:
Is APFS Recommended for an external HDD Time Machine drive? I was under the
impression it was still best to use HFS for spinning drives.
Or has that changed now?
time machine is an exception.
Plus APFS being disrecommended for HDDs was vastly overblown as an
issue.
Cheers - Jaimie
I’m not sure it was an issue as such, I thought it was usually regarded as ‘no point’ on spinning discs. And wasn’t there a time when Time Machine couldn’t be installed on an APFS drive?
On 24 Aug 2022 at 11:37:51 BST, "Graeme Wall"
<rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
So at the end of the day, what is my best option when transferring my TM
external drive from my 2012 iMac to my shortly arriving 2022 Mac Mini?
Should I format a new drive to APFS and then clone my existing drive to it?
Optionally: Using Migration Assistant (ideally within the setup process rather than after) migrate what you want off the old TM drive into the
new Mac.
Format a new TM drive to APFS, and make a fresh backup to it.
Put the old TM HDD on a shelf. In a year or two, perhaps consider
blanking it and re-using for something.
I've bought a new 2TB LaCie external Hard Disk to replace one that Disk Utility said was u/s. The book says to format the HD for use with TM as APFS.
But this doesn't seem to be availalbe on my copy of DU. I'm running Mac OS v12.5.1
The new HD is shown as formatted ExFat on receipt from Apple.
I guess my ignorance is showing.
Peter
On 24/08/2022 11:46, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:
On 24 Aug 2022 at 11:37:51 BST, "Graeme Wall"
<rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
So at the end of the day, what is my best option when transferring my TM >>> external drive from my 2012 iMac to my shortly arriving 2022 Mac Mini?
Should I format a new drive to APFS and then clone my existing drive
to it?
Optionally: Using Migration Assistant (ideally within the setup process
rather than after) migrate what you want off the old TM drive into the
new Mac.
Format a new TM drive to APFS, and make a fresh backup to it.
Put the old TM HDD on a shelf. In a year or two, perhaps consider
blanking it and re-using for something.
Cheers for that. It is 10 years sice I last used MA and have forgotten
the details. Is it better to migrate from TM or direct from the computer itself?
On 23 Aug 2022 at 11:16:12 BST, "Peter James" <pfjames300@gmail.com> wrote:
I've bought a new 2TB LaCie external Hard Disk to replace one that Disk
Utility said was u/s. The book says to format the HD for use with TM as APFS.
But this doesn't seem to be availalbe on my copy of DU. I'm running Mac OS >> v12.5.1
The new HD is shown as formatted ExFat on receipt from Apple.
I guess my ignorance is showing.
Peter
Many thanks for all of the replies. You really are a great bunch of people on this NG. I do hope that the trollers and their idiot friends don't have any affect on it.
On 24/08/2022 11:46, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:
On 24 Aug 2022 at 11:37:51 BST, "Graeme Wall"
<rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Optionally: Using Migration Assistant (ideally within the setup processSo at the end of the day, what is my best option when transferring my TM >>> external drive from my 2012 iMac to my shortly arriving 2022 Mac Mini?
Should I format a new drive to APFS and then clone my existing drive to it? >>
rather than after) migrate what you want off the old TM drive into the
new Mac.
Format a new TM drive to APFS, and make a fresh backup to it.
Put the old TM HDD on a shelf. In a year or two, perhaps consider
blanking it and re-using for something.
Cheers for that. It is 10 years sice I last used MA and have forgotten
the details.
Is it better to migrate from TM or direct from the computer
itself?
On 24 Aug 2022 at 11:57:28 BST, "Graeme Wall"
<rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 24/08/2022 11:46, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:
On 24 Aug 2022 at 11:37:51 BST, "Graeme Wall"
<rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
So at the end of the day, what is my best option when transferring my TM >>>> external drive from my 2012 iMac to my shortly arriving 2022 Mac Mini? >>>> Should I format a new drive to APFS and then clone my existing drive to it?
Optionally: Using Migration Assistant (ideally within the setup process
rather than after) migrate what you want off the old TM drive into the
new Mac.
Format a new TM drive to APFS, and make a fresh backup to it.
Put the old TM HDD on a shelf. In a year or two, perhaps consider
blanking it and re-using for something.
Cheers for that. It is 10 years sice I last used MA and have forgotten
the details.
It's really good and guides you through the process nicely.
Is it better to migrate from TM or direct from the computer
itself?
If your TM is complete, ie you haven't added any exceptions yourself,
then from the TM drive. Major item to note: if you have any virtual
machines, most VM apps mark the VMs themselves as "do not backup with
TM" to avoid massive updates. Copy them over manually afterwards.
Using the old Mac as the Migration source can be a bit of a bore unless
you have the old and new both on Ethernet - which is still slow but
pretty much guaranteed to work.
Wifi does work but slower and makes the big gaps while it's doing
something and not telling you about it rather anxiety inducing; other
direct wired methods (eg Thunderbolt or even Firewire) also work but
often involves £50+ of adapters when it's such a long time between
hardware on each end due to differing ports/versions.
Cheers - Jaimie
Using the old Mac as the Migration source can be a bit of a bore unless
you have the old and new both on Ethernet - which is still slow but
pretty much guaranteed to work.
I've a apare ethernet cable that would do the job.
You'll want both on the house network, not direct to each other. Well,
direct might also work, but it's more likely to leave you with two
machines with self-assigned IP addresses obstinately not seeing each
other.
Using the old Mac as the Migration source can be a bit of a bore unless
you have the old and new both on Ethernet - which is still slow but
pretty much guaranteed to work.
I've a apare ethernet cable that would do the job.
do not use wifi. slow doesn't even begin to describe it.
On 23 Aug 2022 at 21:54:27 BST, "Andy Hewitt" <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:
Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:
On 23 Aug 2022 at 18:11:56 BST, "nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <te31gt$31p3a$1@dont-email.me>, Andy Hewitt
<thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:
Is APFS Recommended for an external HDD Time Machine drive? I was under the
impression it was still best to use HFS for spinning drives.
Or has that changed now?
time machine is an exception.
Plus APFS being disrecommended for HDDs was vastly overblown as an
issue.
Cheers - Jaimie
I’m not sure it was an issue as such, I thought it was usually regarded as >> ‘no point’ on spinning discs. And wasn’t there a time when Time Machine
couldn’t be installed on an APFS drive?
There were a bunch of "the sky is falling" tech reports about APFS being
x% slower than HFS on HDD under certain access patterns. Usual "apple
got something imperfect" clickbait.
And yes, there was a couple of years before TM went over to APFS - they
had to roll back sixteen years worth of "ah crap we're not using ZFS
after all so we can't use the snapshots we designed TM around" code. And
then roll half of it forward again because APFS doesn't support
transferring a snapshot from one storage device to another. Much
eye-rolling in the TM camp, I suspect.
Cheers - Jaimie
do not use wifi. slow doesn't even begin to describe it.
And this from the person who always extols the virtues of WiFi !!!
On 24 Aug 2022 at 15:27:08 BST, "Graeme Wall"
<rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Using the old Mac as the Migration source can be a bit of a bore unless
you have the old and new both on Ethernet - which is still slow but
pretty much guaranteed to work.
I've a apare ethernet cable that would do the job.
You'll want both on the house network, not direct to each other. Well,
direct might also work, but it's more likely to leave you with two
machines with self-assigned IP addresses obstinately not seeing each
other.
In article <jmmumsFtjucU1@mid.individual.net>, Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:
Using the old Mac as the Migration source can be a bit of a bore unless >>>> you have the old and new both on Ethernet - which is still slow but
pretty much guaranteed to work.
I've a apare ethernet cable that would do the job.
You'll want both on the house network, not direct to each other. Well,
direct might also work, but it's more likely to leave you with two
machines with self-assigned IP addresses obstinately not seeing each
other.
that should work, however, a better idea is use an old switch or
router, which should serve ip addresses within the same lan.
do not use wifi. slow doesn't even begin to describe it.
Am 24.08.22 um 19:12 schrieb nospam:
In article <te5lrj$3cam9$1@dont-email.me>, Graham J
<nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:
do not use wifi. slow doesn't even begin to describe it.
And this from the person who always extols the virtues of WiFi !!!
migration over wifi is an exception because it has to enumerate almost
every file on both drives, which is a lot of back and forth. another
one is gaming. nothing is perfect in every case.
common tasks such as copying files, streaming audio/video, etc., are
not a problem.
Seriously?
Wi-Fi Generations
Generation IEEE
Standard Maximum Linkrate
(Mbit/s) Adopted Radio
Frequency (GHz)[1]
Wi‑Fi 7 802.11be 40000 TBA 2.4/5/6
Wi‑Fi 6E 802.11ax 600 to 9608 2020 2.4/5/6
Wi‑Fi 6 2019 2.4/5
Wi‑Fi 5 802.11ac 433 to 6933 2014 5
Wi‑Fi 4 802.11n 72 to 600 2008 2.4/5
(Wi-Fi 3*) 802.11g 6 to 54 2003 2.4
(Wi-Fi 2*) 802.11a 6 to 54 1999 5
(Wi-Fi 1*) 802.11b 1 to 11 1999 2.4
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi-Fi_6
In article <te5lrj$3cam9$1@dont-email.me>, Graham J
<nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:
do not use wifi. slow doesn't even begin to describe it.
And this from the person who always extols the virtues of WiFi !!!
migration over wifi is an exception because it has to enumerate almost
every file on both drives, which is a lot of back and forth. another
one is gaming. nothing is perfect in every case.
common tasks such as copying files, streaming audio/video, etc., are
not a problem.
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