On Oct 2, 2022 at 3:31:50 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <qjo_K.1334692$Eeb3.1322025@fx05.ams1>:
...
Cannot see where it hurts anything, but seems odd to me.
Odd, perhaps, but it feels good! 😂
And that is what really matters -- are you happy with what you have.
So far so good today! 😂
That is what matters!
With me I have not done a fresh install since the Classic Mac days... I
upgrade in place. Did have one glitch doing so, years ago, but it has been >>> pretty flawless.
Lucky you! 😄
There is some luck, but Apple does good work.
How did you transfer all the data from your bricked iMac to your Mac Mini?
I had a Time Machine backup.
code,*Can Malware Go Undetected? How Viruses Hide From You*
If a malware developer knows that an antivirus will identify their
won’t findthey still have a few tactics up their sleeves to prevent detection. >>>>>>
One of them is a trick called “obfuscation.” This is when a malware >>>>>> developer cleverly hides their malicious code so an antivirus
so itit. For example, they may deploy a program that automatically encrypts >>>>>> and decrypts the bad parts, or change the code of the virus itself
<https://www.makeuseof.com/can-malware-go-undetected-how-viruses-hide-from-you/>looks different every time it infects someone.
By changing how it looks, it keeps the antivirus on its toes. An
antivirus is looking for a specific "signature" that identifies a
specific strain of malware for what it is, so if the malware developer >>>>>> can hide this signature, it can dodge an antivirus scan better.
from The
It gave me a little more practice with using Terminal.
Here's where things stood just before I hit 'return':-
<https://ibb.co/TY5xx8x>
The bonus, of course, is that I no longer have ANY of the tools
A full wipe and reinstall does not show that 100%.Eclectic Light Company installed on my computer. 😂
Not sure what your goal is.
To be 100% sure that any malware present was removed from my computer. >>>>>
That's EXACTLY that the police told me way back in 2005!
I didn't believe them at first! One of the reasons I later bought an
Apple iMac!
You can have your firmware modified... and more. It is not common, but if you
want to be 100% sure there is no real way to do that. The system can COME with
modified firmware.
Absolutely correct!
So your 100% goal is unachievable. :)
about it.How do YOU ensure that YOUR computer has not been compromised?
I take basic precautions and do not spend a lot of time worrying
perpetrate it!
I don't WORRY about the malware at all - just the folk who
people out
I know they are out there... but I also know there are many bad
there. When I encounter them I deal with it (recently did on a hikewhen I ran
into a bad situation).
I'm glad you were not harmed..
you areHow do you know there is not someone breaking into your house when
gone and messing with things? It is not likely... but it COULD happen! >>>>I've told you before, I trust in God to protect me! 😂
Have you never had malware?
I don't believe you've asked that after everything I've told you!
OK, have you with the software you are concerned with?
someoneThis is another serious question!
I just do not spend much time worrying about it.
Me neither! Trying to catch bad guys is fun! 🙂
As long as you are doing it for fun... but understand that suggesting
seems like a bad guy based on what is likely a bad download is goingto push
that developer away from you.
You don't KNOW that it was "a bad download"!
What other explanation is there?
That's simply what HO
*claimed*. I doubt anyone at all, anywhere, has *checked* what Mints
actually installs on a Mac.
This is what the macOS showed:- <https://imgbb.com/X2kyxCM>
I'm happy to trust that reult.
I have asked a couple times but not sure of the answer: did you get an error when you tried to open it? If so what was the error?
For now I'll keep HO's tools OFF my machine.
Thank you for experimenting with me, Snit. The problem YOU now have is
that when/if you try removing Mints and/or EtreCheck/ClamXav you will
never be certain that nothing malicious has been left behind.
Nor with ANY software. Not sure why the focus would be on those two.
That's the REAL reason I wiped my hard disks.
What do you think would happen if you did not. Not just that you fear you would have malware... what do you think the malware might do? What do you think others are facing?
-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Re: REPOSTING!
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2022 10:06:09 +0100
From: David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life>
Newsgroups: alt.computer.workshop,uk.comp.sys.mac
References: <qjo_K.1334692$Eeb3.1322025@fx05.ams1> <Bkp_K.494294$6Il8.168237@fx14.iad>
On 03/10/2022 00:41, Snit wrote:
On Oct 2, 2022 at 3:31:50 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<qjo_K.1334692$Eeb3.1322025@fx05.ams1>:
...
Cannot see where it hurts anything, but seems odd to me.
Odd, perhaps, but it feels good! 😂
And that is what really matters -- are you happy with what you have.
So far so good today! 😂
That is what matters!
Indeed! :-)
With me I have not done a fresh install since the Classic Mac days... I >>>> upgrade in place. Did have one glitch doing so, years ago, but it has been >>>> pretty flawless.
Lucky you! 😄
There is some luck, but Apple does good work.
Agreed - I'll not be so tempted to simply 'try' things fom now on.
How did you transfer all the data from your bricked iMac to your Mac Mini? >>I had a Time Machine backup.
Excellent. I'm pleased to learn that it worked.
code,*Can Malware Go Undetected? How Viruses Hide From You*
If a malware developer knows that an antivirus will identify their
won’t findthey still have a few tactics up their sleeves to prevent detection. >>>>>>>
One of them is a trick called “obfuscation.” This is when a malware >>>>>>> developer cleverly hides their malicious code so an antivirus
so itit. For example, they may deploy a program that automatically encrypts >>>>>>> and decrypts the bad parts, or change the code of the virus itself
<https://www.makeuseof.com/can-malware-go-undetected-how-viruses-hide-from-you/>looks different every time it infects someone.
By changing how it looks, it keeps the antivirus on its toes. An >>>>>>> antivirus is looking for a specific "signature" that identifies a >>>>>>> specific strain of malware for what it is, so if the malware developer >>>>>>> can hide this signature, it can dodge an antivirus scan better.
from The
It gave me a little more practice with using Terminal.
Here's where things stood just before I hit 'return':-
<https://ibb.co/TY5xx8x>
The bonus, of course, is that I no longer have ANY of the tools
A full wipe and reinstall does not show that 100%.Eclectic Light Company installed on my computer. 😂
Not sure what your goal is.
To be 100% sure that any malware present was removed from my computer. >>>>>>
That's EXACTLY that the police told me way back in 2005!
I didn't believe them at first! One of the reasons I later bought an >>>>> Apple iMac!
You can have your firmware modified... and more. It is not common, but if you
want to be 100% sure there is no real way to do that. The system can COME with
modified firmware.
Absolutely correct!
So your 100% goal is unachievable. :)
Sadly, you are correct!
I intend to buy my next Mac from directly from Apple.
about it.How do YOU ensure that YOUR computer has not been compromised?
I take basic precautions and do not spend a lot of time worrying
perpetrate it!
I don't WORRY about the malware at all - just the folk who
people out
I know they are out there... but I also know there are many bad
there. When I encounter them I deal with it (recently did on a hikewhen I ran
into a bad situation).
I'm glad you were not harmed..
you areHow do you know there is not someone breaking into your house when
gone and messing with things? It is not likely... but it COULD happen! >>>>>I've told you before, I trust in God to protect me! 😂
Have you never had malware?
I don't believe you've asked that after everything I've told you!
OK, have you with the software you are concerned with?
As far as I'm aware, I've not been troubled with malware on THIS iMac.
But I no way of knowing or testing that - apart from running third party Apps. This is what I found recently:- https://ibb.co/fDD0GMH
someoneThis is another serious question!
I just do not spend much time worrying about it.
Me neither! Trying to catch bad guys is fun! 🙂
As long as you are doing it for fun... but understand that suggesting
seems like a bad guy based on what is likely a bad download is goingto push
that developer away from you.
You don't KNOW that it was "a bad download"!
What other explanation is there?
I asked you to discuss this as a question for Howard Oakley. You declined.
That's simply what HO
*claimed*. I doubt anyone at all, anywhere, has *checked* what Mints
actually installs on a Mac.
This is what the macOS showed:- <https://imgbb.com/X2kyxCM>
I'm happy to trust that reult.
I have asked a couple times but not sure of the answer: did you get an error >> when you tried to open it? If so what was the error?
No error that I can recall.
I have absolutely no idea what that software puts onto my computer nor
what it is /really/ designed to do.
For now I'll keep HO's tools OFF my machine.
Thank you for experimenting with me, Snit. The problem YOU now have is
that when/if you try removing Mints and/or EtreCheck/ClamXav you will
never be certain that nothing malicious has been left behind.
Nor with ANY software. Not sure why the focus would be on those two.
Oops! THREE!
Why? Because the product developers have not been open and honest with me.
I have 'tested' you, Snit, in a myriad of ways yet not once have you
chosen to block me. We continue to communicate - that is so very
important, to me, anyway.
That's the REAL reason I wiped my hard disks.
What do you think would happen if you did not. Not just that you fear you
would have malware... what do you think the malware might do? What do you
think others are facing?
My concerns are twofold:-
1. Folk may get co-opted into a Botnet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Botnet
2. Folk may be 'persuaded' to part with thier hard-earned money
I hope these answers help.
On 03/10/2022 10:43, Snit wrote:
When I responded - nothing was seen as having been received ....
Hence my "Ping:Snit" post! ;-)
On Oct 3, 2022 at 3:15:43 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <jDy_K.1924995$ulh3.1699077@fx06.ams1>:
On 03/10/2022 10:43, Snit wrote:
When I responded - nothing was seen as having been received ....
Hence my "Ping:Snit" post! ;-)
I am guessing it was never sent.
David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
On 03/10/2022 18:24, Snit wrote:
On Oct 3, 2022 at 3:15:43 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<jDy_K.1924995$ulh3.1699077@fx06.ams1>:
On 03/10/2022 10:43, Snit wrote:
When I responded - nothing was seen as having been received ....
Hence my "Ping:Snit" post! ;-)
I am guessing it was never sent.
Well *I* sent it - and it's in my 'Sent' folder - but I accept that
Thunderbird may NOT have played its part! ;-)
If it’s not anywhere else either not sent or blocked by your Usenet provider.
On 03/10/2022 18:24, Snit wrote:
On Oct 3, 2022 at 3:15:43 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<jDy_K.1924995$ulh3.1699077@fx06.ams1>:
On 03/10/2022 10:43, Snit wrote:
When I responded - nothing was seen as having been received ....
Hence my "Ping:Snit" post! ;-)
I am guessing it was never sent.
Well *I* sent it - and it's in my 'Sent' folder - but I accept that Thunderbird may NOT have played its part! ;-)
-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Re: REPOSTING!
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2022 10:06:09 +0100
From: David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life>
Newsgroups: alt.computer.workshop,uk.comp.sys.mac
References: <qjo_K.1334692$Eeb3.1322025@fx05.ams1> ><Bkp_K.494294$6Il8.168237@fx14.iad>
On 03/10/2022 00:41, Snit wrote:
On Oct 2, 2022 at 3:31:50 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<qjo_K.1334692$Eeb3.1322025@fx05.ams1>:
...
Cannot see where it hurts anything, but seems odd to me.
Odd, perhaps, but it feels good! ?
And that is what really matters -- are you happy with what you have.
So far so good today! ?
That is what matters!
Indeed! :-)
With me I have not done a fresh install since the Classic Mac days... I >>>> upgrade in place. Did have one glitch doing so, years ago, but it has been >>>> pretty flawless.
Lucky you! ?
There is some luck, but Apple does good work.
Agreed - I'll not be so tempted to simply 'try' things fom now on.
How did you transfer all the data from your bricked iMac to your Mac Mini? >>I had a Time Machine backup.
Excellent. I'm pleased to learn that it worked.
code,*Can Malware Go Undetected? How Viruses Hide From You*
If a malware developer knows that an antivirus will identify their
wont findthey still have a few tactics up their sleeves to prevent detection. >>>>>>>
One of them is a trick called obfuscation. This is when a malware >>>>>>> developer cleverly hides their malicious code so an antivirus
so itit. For example, they may deploy a program that automatically encrypts >>>>>>> and decrypts the bad parts, or change the code of the virus itself
<https://www.makeuseof.com/can-malware-go-undetected-how-viruses-hide-from-you/>looks different every time it infects someone.
By changing how it looks, it keeps the antivirus on its toes. An >>>>>>> antivirus is looking for a specific "signature" that identifies a >>>>>>> specific strain of malware for what it is, so if the malware developer >>>>>>> can hide this signature, it can dodge an antivirus scan better.
from The
It gave me a little more practice with using Terminal.
Here's where things stood just before I hit 'return':-
<https://ibb.co/TY5xx8x>
The bonus, of course, is that I no longer have ANY of the tools
A full wipe and reinstall does not show that 100%.Eclectic Light Company installed on my computer. ?
Not sure what your goal is.
To be 100% sure that any malware present was removed from my computer. >>>>>>
That's EXACTLY that the police told me way back in 2005!
I didn't believe them at first! One of the reasons I later bought an >>>>> Apple iMac!
You can have your firmware modified... and more. It is not common, but if you
want to be 100% sure there is no real way to do that. The system can COME with
modified firmware.
Absolutely correct!
So your 100% goal is unachievable. :)
Sadly, you are correct!
I intend to buy my next Mac from directly from Apple.
about it.How do YOU ensure that YOUR computer has not been compromised?
I take basic precautions and do not spend a lot of time worrying
perpetrate it!
I don't WORRY about the malware at all - just the folk who
people out
I know they are out there... but I also know there are many bad
there. When I encounter them I deal with it (recently did on a hikewhen I ran
into a bad situation).
I'm glad you were not harmed..
you areHow do you know there is not someone breaking into your house when
gone and messing with things? It is not likely... but it COULD happen! >>>>>I've told you before, I trust in God to protect me! ?
Have you never had malware?
I don't believe you've asked that after everything I've told you!
OK, have you with the software you are concerned with?
As far as I'm aware, I've not been troubled with malware on THIS iMac.
But I no way of knowing or testing that - apart from running third party >Apps. This is what I found recently:- https://ibb.co/fDD0GMH
someoneThis is another serious question!
I just do not spend much time worrying about it.
Me neither! Trying to catch bad guys is fun! ?
As long as you are doing it for fun... but understand that suggesting
seems like a bad guy based on what is likely a bad download is goingto push
that developer away from you.
You don't KNOW that it was "a bad download"!
What other explanation is there?
I asked you to discuss this as a question for Howard Oakley. You declined.
That's simply what HO
*claimed*. I doubt anyone at all, anywhere, has *checked* what Mints
actually installs on a Mac.
This is what the macOS showed:- <https://imgbb.com/X2kyxCM>
I'm happy to trust that reult.
I have asked a couple times but not sure of the answer: did you get an error >> when you tried to open it? If so what was the error?
No error that I can recall.
I have absolutely no idea what that software puts onto my computer nor
what it is /really/ designed to do.
For now I'll keep HO's tools OFF my machine.
Thank you for experimenting with me, Snit. The problem YOU now have is
that when/if you try removing Mints and/or EtreCheck/ClamXav you will
never be certain that nothing malicious has been left behind.
Nor with ANY software. Not sure why the focus would be on those two.
Oops! THREE!
Why? Because the product developers have not been open and honest with me.
I have 'tested' you, Snit, in a myriad of ways yet not once have you
chosen to block me. We continue to communicate - that is so very
important, to me, anyway.
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