• No more Lightning for the EU

    From Alan B@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 5 06:24:17 2022
    I’m thunderstruck! Well not really - there seems to have been a move
    towards using USB-C ports on recent new iDevices, so I guess this EU ruling will speed up the transition.

    <https://www.macrumors.com/2022/10/04/apple-products-switching-usb-c-2024/>

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  • From RJH@21:1/5 to Alan B on Wed Oct 5 08:06:33 2022
    On 5 Oct 2022 at 07:24:17 BST, Alan B wrote:

    I’m thunderstruck! Well not really - there seems to have been a move towards using USB-C ports on recent new iDevices, so I guess this EU ruling will speed up the transition.

    <https://www.macrumors.com/2022/10/04/apple-products-switching-usb-c-2024/>

    I suppose they could carry in with a UK Special, but all in all I'm glad the connector's being standardised.

    --
    Cheers, Rob, Sheffield UK

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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to RJH on Wed Oct 5 08:25:45 2022
    RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
    On 5 Oct 2022 at 07:24:17 BST, Alan B wrote:

    I’m thunderstruck! Well not really - there seems to have been a move
    towards using USB-C ports on recent new iDevices, so I guess this EU ruling >> will speed up the transition.

    <https://www.macrumors.com/2022/10/04/apple-products-switching-usb-c-2024/>

    I suppose they could carry in with a UK Special, but all in all I'm glad the connector's being standardised.

    I’ve always thought that the male Lightning connector doesn’t look very robust, although I’ve never had issues with them.

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    Cheers, Alan

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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to RJH on Wed Oct 5 09:52:43 2022
    RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
    … but all in all I'm glad the connector's being
    standardised.

    Yes that has to be good.

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    Cheers, Alan

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 5 11:30:14 2022
    Am 05.10.22 um 10:06 schrieb RJH:
    I suppose they could carry in with a UK Special,

    You mean a kind of a USB-C-exit?

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 5 11:38:00 2022
    Am 05.10.22 um 11:35 schrieb David Brooks:
    On 05/10/2022 10:30, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
    Am 05.10.22 um 10:06 schrieb RJH:
    I suppose they could carry in with a UK Special,

    You mean a kind of a USB-C-exit?


    Yes - we could call it a USB-R-exit! :-D


    The Brits live in splendid isolation. Again.

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Joerg Lorenz on Wed Oct 5 10:35:24 2022
    On 05/10/2022 10:30, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
    Am 05.10.22 um 10:06 schrieb RJH:
    I suppose they could carry in with a UK Special,

    You mean a kind of a USB-C-exit?


    Yes - we could call it a USB-R-exit! :-D

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to Alan B on Wed Oct 5 09:22:10 2022
    In article <thjf29$2uetu$1@alanrichardbarker.eternal-september.org>,
    Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

    I¹ve always thought that the male Lightning connector doesn¹t look very robust, although I¹ve never had issues with them.

    that's a feature, not a bug.

    lightning is designed so that the *cable* will break with torque,
    avoiding damage to the device. likely all that's needed is remove the
    piece of the plug in the socket and replace the cable.

    with usb-c, there's a tab inside the socket, thus excessive torque will
    very likely damage both the cable and the device, causing an expensive
    repair, often more than the phone is worth.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 5 11:06:07 2022
    In article <thk5li$h4c5$1@solani.org>, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch>
    wrote:

    I1ve always thought that the male Lightning connector doesn1t look very
    robust, although I1ve never had issues with them.

    that's a feature, not a bug.

    lightning is designed so that the *cable* will break with torque,
    avoiding damage to the device. likely all that's needed is remove the
    piece of the plug in the socket and replace the cable.

    with usb-c, there's a tab inside the socket, thus excessive torque will very likely damage both the cable and the device, causing an expensive repair, often more than the phone is worth.

    Speculation and utter bulllshit. Sorry.

    it's not speculation. it's simple physics and a design requirement for lightning.

    Apple uses USB-C for all devices except for the iphone.

    and except for airpods, airpods pro, airpods max, magsafe battery,
    magsafe duo charger, apple watch dock, magic mouse, magic keyboard,
    magic trackpad, apple tv remote, 1st gen apple pencil, powerbeats,
    wired earpods and i probably forgot some others.

    there are also *numerous* third party lightning devices.

    The reason for
    this is completely different than you suggest.

    it is not.

    apple is transitioning to usb-c in a slow and careful manner to limit
    the inevitable disruption.

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 5 16:51:28 2022
    Am 05.10.22 um 15:22 schrieb nospam:
    In article <thjf29$2uetu$1@alanrichardbarker.eternal-september.org>,
    Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

    I¹ve always thought that the male Lightning connector doesn¹t look very
    robust, although I¹ve never had issues with them.

    that's a feature, not a bug.

    lightning is designed so that the *cable* will break with torque,
    avoiding damage to the device. likely all that's needed is remove the
    piece of the plug in the socket and replace the cable.

    with usb-c, there's a tab inside the socket, thus excessive torque will
    very likely damage both the cable and the device, causing an expensive repair, often more than the phone is worth.

    Speculation and utter bulllshit. Sorry.
    Apple uses USB-C for all devices except for the iphone. The reason for
    this is completely different than you suggest.

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    Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to Joerg Lorenz on Wed Oct 5 16:07:04 2022
    Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
    Am 05.10.22 um 11:35 schrieb David Brooks:
    On 05/10/2022 10:30, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
    Am 05.10.22 um 10:06 schrieb RJH:
    I suppose they could carry in with a UK Special,

    You mean a kind of a USB-C-exit?


    Yes - we could call it a USB-R-exit! :-D


    The Brits live in splendid isolation. Again.

    Basking in our sovereignty. Life couldn't be better. Oh wait...

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to Joerg Lorenz on Wed Oct 5 16:10:20 2022
    Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
    Am 05.10.22 um 15:22 schrieb nospam:
    In article <thjf29$2uetu$1@alanrichardbarker.eternal-september.org>,
    Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

    I¹ve always thought that the male Lightning connector doesn¹t look very >>> robust, although I¹ve never had issues with them.

    that's a feature, not a bug.

    lightning is designed so that the *cable* will break with torque,
    avoiding damage to the device. likely all that's needed is remove the
    piece of the plug in the socket and replace the cable.

    with usb-c, there's a tab inside the socket, thus excessive torque will
    very likely damage both the cable and the device, causing an expensive
    repair, often more than the phone is worth.

    Speculation and utter bulllshit. Sorry.
    Apple uses USB-C for all devices except for the iphone.

    The base ipad still has a lightning socket.

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  • From TimS@21:1/5 to Chris on Wed Oct 5 17:58:37 2022
    On 05 Oct 2022 at 17:10:20 BST, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

    Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
    Am 05.10.22 um 15:22 schrieb nospam:
    In article <thjf29$2uetu$1@alanrichardbarker.eternal-september.org>,
    Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

    I¹ve always thought that the male Lightning connector doesn¹t look very >>>> robust, although I¹ve never had issues with them.

    that's a feature, not a bug.

    lightning is designed so that the *cable* will break with torque,
    avoiding damage to the device. likely all that's needed is remove the
    piece of the plug in the socket and replace the cable.

    with usb-c, there's a tab inside the socket, thus excessive torque will
    very likely damage both the cable and the device, causing an expensive
    repair, often more than the phone is worth.

    Speculation and utter bulllshit. Sorry.
    Apple uses USB-C for all devices except for the iphone.

    I must be imagining the magsafe on my MacBook Air, then.

    --
    Tim

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  • From Richard Tobin@21:1/5 to timstreater@greenbee.net on Wed Oct 5 18:44:02 2022
    In article <jq5uudFek5mU1@mid.individual.net>,
    TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

    Apple uses USB-C for all devices except for the iphone.

    I must be imagining the magsafe on my MacBook Air, then.

    True, but they can charge from USB-C too.

    The EU directive does not prohibit other charging ports (not that
    it applies to laptops anyway).

    -- Richard

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 5 16:12:18 2022
    In article <thkntc$h6gv$1@solani.org>, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch>
    wrote:

    Apple uses USB-C for all devices except for the iphone.

    I must be imagining the magsafe on my MacBook Air, then.

    True, but they can charge from USB-C too.

    The EU directive does not prohibit other charging ports (not that
    it applies to laptops anyway).

    It certainly does as of 2024.

    it certainly does not.

    it's 2026 for laptops, and not all of them.

    <https://www.pcworld.com/article/1341415/europe-sets-deadline-for-usb-c- charging-for-almost-all-laptops.html>

    ...A newly-passed law says that almost all portable electronics will
    need to charge via USB-C by 2026.

    At this point, most new laptops already use USB-C charging, taking
    advantage of the standard¹s flexibility to deliver a range of
    wattages up to 100 watts. There are two exceptions: the top of the
    market and the bottom. Cheap budget laptops are still sometimes
    equipped with less expensive, semi-proprietary barrel charging
    cables or something like Lenovo¹s rectangular charger.

    On the other hand, power-hungry laptops that need more than 100
    watts still use proprietary connections for their massive adapters.
    The USB Implementers Forum is working on expanding that limit and
    some of these laptops can still charge slowly over USB-C. These are
    the only laptops that Europe will allow to be sold with proprietary
    chargers after the spring of 2026.

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 5 22:02:52 2022
    Am 05.10.22 um 20:44 schrieb Richard Tobin:
    In article <jq5uudFek5mU1@mid.individual.net>,
    TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

    Apple uses USB-C for all devices except for the iphone.

    I must be imagining the magsafe on my MacBook Air, then.

    True, but they can charge from USB-C too.

    The EU directive does not prohibit other charging ports (not that
    it applies to laptops anyway).

    It certainly does as of 2024.

    --
    Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to Richard Tobin on Wed Oct 5 21:06:27 2022
    Richard Tobin <richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
    In article <jq5uudFek5mU1@mid.individual.net>,
    TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

    Apple uses USB-C for all devices except for the iphone.

    I must be imagining the magsafe on my MacBook Air, then.

    True, but they can charge from USB-C too.

    The EU directive does not prohibit other charging ports (not that
    it applies to laptops anyway).

    It does apply to laptops, from 2026.

    https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20220930IPR41928/long-awaited-common-charger-for-mobile-devices-will-be-a-reality-in-2024

    Theo

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 5 22:05:38 2022
    Am 05.10.22 um 18:07 schrieb Chris:
    Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
    Am 05.10.22 um 11:35 schrieb David Brooks:
    On 05/10/2022 10:30, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
    Am 05.10.22 um 10:06 schrieb RJH:
    I suppose they could carry in with a UK Special,

    You mean a kind of a USB-C-exit?


    Yes - we could call it a USB-R-exit! :-D


    The Brits live in splendid isolation. Again.

    Basking in our sovereignty. Life couldn't be better. Oh wait...

    Tja. The Brits do not recognise the fact that they slip down to the
    position of Western Europe's "Poor Man". The slippage is still
    accelerating. But that is already OT in this thread ...

    --
    Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 5 22:29:54 2022
    Am 05.10.22 um 22:12 schrieb nospam:
    it's 2026 for laptops

    Sorry for the typo. 2026 is correct.
    The market has implemented it already.

    --
    Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

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