I'd like this 11 to be a duplicate of the 6 (games, mail settings etc)
but don't want to put stuff on it that won't work or causes issues so
I'm not sure if I should (or can, it did offer) restore her iCloud
iPhone6 backup to the 11 or just configure it from scratch (email
accounts, apps, pictures etc)?
So could someone advise the cleanest way please and especially the
settings required on this 11 (15.7) to duplicate the iCloud photo
collection onto the phone please?
In article <thq71u$3sdk2$2@dont-email.me>, T i m <eternal@spaced.me.uk> wrote:
I'd like this 11 to be a duplicate of the 6 (games, mail settings etc)
but don't want to put stuff on it that won't work or causes issues so
I'm not sure if I should (or can, it did offer) restore her iCloud
iPhone6 backup to the 11 or just configure it from scratch (email
accounts, apps, pictures etc)?
don't overcomplicate things. just follow the steps when setting up the
new iphone 11.
the best choice is quick start, which will copy user content directly
from the old phone to the new phone. another option is restore from an
icloud backup.
you *could* reconfigure the 11 from scratch, but that's going to be a
lot of effort and you'll likely miss a few things.
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201269>
So could someone advise the cleanest way please and especially the
settings required on this 11 (15.7) to duplicate the iCloud photo
collection onto the phone please?
it should sync.
the best choice is quick start, which will copy user content directly
from the old phone to the new phone. another option is restore from an icloud backup.
And that's where I have no control of the complication as the two phones
are currently 30 miles apart. ;-(
you *could* reconfigure the 11 from scratch, but that's going to be a
lot of effort and you'll likely miss a few things.
That's what I thought (especially as I'm not particularly familiar with them).
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201269>
Thanks. I've done most of that but just balked at continuing as I wasn't
sure what would happen,
eg, would it try to install an old OS over a
newer one
or what happens with apps that may be no longer supported?
On 07/10/2022 23:08, nospam wrote:
In article <thq71u$3sdk2$2@dont-email.me>, T i m <eternal@spaced.me.uk>
wrote:
I'd like this 11 to be a duplicate of the 6 (games, mail settings etc)
but don't want to put stuff on it that won't work or causes issues so
I'm not sure if I should (or can, it did offer) restore her iCloud
iPhone6 backup to the 11 or just configure it from scratch (email
accounts, apps, pictures etc)?
don't overcomplicate things. just follow the steps when setting up the
new iphone 11.
Ok ...
the best choice is quick start, which will copy user content directly
from the old phone to the new phone. another option is restore from an
icloud backup.
And that's where I have no control of the complication as the two phones
are currently 30 miles apart. ;-(
you *could* reconfigure the 11 from scratch, but that's going to be a
lot of effort and you'll likely miss a few things.
That's what I thought (especially as I'm not particularly familiar with them).
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201269>
Thanks. I've done most of that but just balked at continuing as I wasn't
sure what would happen, eg, would it try to install an old OS over a
newer one or what happens with apps that may be no longer supported?
So could someone advise the cleanest way please and especially the
settings required on this 11 (15.7) to duplicate the iCloud photo
collection onto the phone please?
it should sync.
<checks> Ah, you are right, it seems to have started so can I assume all
the default settings are appropriate?
What if I now restore a backup, will it duplicate / overwrite the photos?
Cheers, T i m
In article <thq90l$3sq7g$1@dont-email.me>, T i m <eternal@spaced.me.uk> wrote:
the best choice is quick start, which will copy user content directly
from the old phone to the new phone. another option is restore from an
icloud backup.
And that's where I have no control of the complication as the two phones
are currently 30 miles apart. ;-(
that will make things a bit difficult for quick start, which requires
both to be in the same place.
restoring from icloud will work no matter how far apart they are. the
old phone is not even needed. all you need is an internet connection.
you *could* reconfigure the 11 from scratch, but that's going to be a
lot of effort and you'll likely miss a few things.
That's what I thought (especially as I'm not particularly familiar with
them).
it's a last resort, and really not worth the trouble unless *nothing*
else works.
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201269>
Thanks. I've done most of that but just balked at continuing as I wasn't
sure what would happen,
it should work just fine. worst case you can reset the new phone and
start again. the old phone isn't going to change, nor is the backup.
eg, would it try to install an old OS over a
newer one
restoring the backup will have no effect on the os. however, the new
phone has to be running the same or newer system than the old phone. if
the new phone is running an older version than the old phone, then it
won't work.
or what happens with apps that may be no longer supported?
they either won't be copied or they won't work (depending how it's
restored). there may be newer versions available that will work on the
newer phone with newer system (but not on the older phone), which
should automatically be downloaded.
In article <thq90l$3sq7g$1@dont-email.me>, T i m <eternal@spaced.me.uk> wrote:
the best choice is quick start, which will copy user content directly
from the old phone to the new phone. another option is restore from an
icloud backup.
And that's where I have no control of the complication as the two phones
are currently 30 miles apart. ;-(
that will make things a bit difficult for quick start, which requires
both to be in the same place.
restoring from icloud will work no matter how far apart they are.
the
old phone is not even needed. all you need is an internet connection.
you *could* reconfigure the 11 from scratch, but that's going to be a
lot of effort and you'll likely miss a few things.
That's what I thought (especially as I'm not particularly familiar with
them).
it's a last resort, and really not worth the trouble unless *nothing*
else works.
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201269>
Thanks. I've done most of that but just balked at continuing as I wasn't
sure what would happen,
it should work just fine. worst case you can reset the new phone and
start again.
the old phone isn't going to change, nor is the backup.
eg, would it try to install an old OS over a
newer one
restoring the backup will have no effect on the os.
however, the new
phone has to be running the same or newer system than the old phone.
if
the new phone is running an older version than the old phone, then it
won't work.
or what happens with apps that may be no longer supported?
they either won't be copied or they won't work (depending how it's
restored).
there may be newer versions available that will work on the
newer phone with newer system
(but not on the older phone), which
should automatically be downloaded.
On 08/10/2022 10:31, Chris wrote:
<snip>
And that's where I have no control of the complication as the two phones >>> are currently 30 miles apart. ;-(
Then wait until they are a little closer.
The problem then is it's like turning up to repair a car but not then
having access to any (or your normal range of) tools. ;-(
I've been a field support guy too long to risk even a trip round the
block before I've tried / learned what I can first. ;-)
You can't replicate the
efficiency and simplicity of the automatic transfer. It really doesn't take >> long: about half an hour. Less if everything is in icloud.
Ok. I also want to run the phone for a while here, to make sure the
phone itself is ok (it's s/h remember) and that the battery lasts etc
etc. When I finally hand it to her I'd like to think that any issues
that pop up aren't down to the phone.
you *could* reconfigure the 11 from scratch, but that's going to be a
lot of effort and you'll likely miss a few things.
That's what I thought (especially as I'm not particularly familiar with
them).
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201269>
Thanks. I've done most of that but just balked at continuing as I wasn't >>> sure what would happen, eg, would it try to install an old OS over a
newer one or what happens with apps that may be no longer supported?
Unsupported apps won't be installed. The process isn't that apps are
transferred from the old phone to the new, it's that they're all downloaded >> from the app store. Typically the same version as in the old phone if it's >> still available.
Not the iCloud restore even? The backup just contains pointers to the
app on the Apple Store?
Thanks. Not working would be fine, overwriting would be fine,Everything will be overwritten but you won't lose anything.So could someone advise the cleanest way please and especially the
settings required on this 11 (15.7) to duplicate the iCloud photo
collection onto the phone please?
it should sync.
<checks> Ah, you are right, it seems to have started so can I assume all >>> the default settings are appropriate?
What if I now restore a backup, will it duplicate / overwrite the photos? >>
duplicating would be a nightmare.
I was trying to avoid the 'Ah, you shouldn't have done that, now you
have to take it to the Apple store and get it unlocked ...'
you *could* reconfigure the 11 from scratch, but that's going to be a
lot of effort and you'll likely miss a few things.
That's what I thought (especially as I'm not particularly familiar with
them).
it's a last resort, and really not worth the trouble unless *nothing*
else works.
Well, I currently have all her photos and emails, am probably going to
(have to, new number?) create a new Whatsapp account for her *anyway* so
it will just be a matter of anything she might use on the phone over
using them on her iPad.
And there is a chance that something she likes /uses regularly won't
work on the new phone (but anything like that would probably still be ok
on her iPad etc).
And that's where I have no control of the complication as the two phones
are currently 30 miles apart. ;-(
Then wait until they are a little closer.
You can't replicate the
efficiency and simplicity of the automatic transfer. It really doesn't take long: about half an hour. Less if everything is in icloud.
you *could* reconfigure the 11 from scratch, but that's going to be a
lot of effort and you'll likely miss a few things.
That's what I thought (especially as I'm not particularly familiar with
them).
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201269>
Thanks. I've done most of that but just balked at continuing as I wasn't
sure what would happen, eg, would it try to install an old OS over a
newer one or what happens with apps that may be no longer supported?
Unsupported apps won't be installed. The process isn't that apps are transferred from the old phone to the new, it's that they're all downloaded from the app store. Typically the same version as in the old phone if it's still available.
So could someone advise the cleanest way please and especially the
settings required on this 11 (15.7) to duplicate the iCloud photo
collection onto the phone please?
it should sync.
<checks> Ah, you are right, it seems to have started so can I assume all
the default settings are appropriate?
What if I now restore a backup, will it duplicate / overwrite the photos?
Everything will be overwritten but you won't lose anything.
In article <thrm90$6029$2@dont-email.me>, T i m <eternal@spaced.me.uk>
wrote:
Unsupported apps won't be installed. The process isn't that apps are
transferred from the old phone to the new, it's that they're all downloaded >>> from the app store. Typically the same version as in the old phone if it's >>> still available.
Not the iCloud restore even? The backup just contains pointers to the
app on the Apple Store?
yes. there's no need to back up what is available elsewhere.
Unsupported apps won't be installed. The process isn't that apps are
transferred from the old phone to the new, it's that they're all
downloaded
from the app store. Typically the same version as in the old phone if it's
still available.
Not the iCloud restore even? The backup just contains pointers to the
app on the Apple Store?
yes. there's no need to back up what is available elsewhere.
Sadly, that is incorrect, 'nospam'.
I have just bought a new iPhone 14 Pro and transferred EVERYTHING that
was on my iPhone SE automagically from one phone to the other.
Everything is set up identically to how it was on my SE, Apps included!
In article <thrm90$6029$2@dont-email.me>, T i m <eternal@spaced.me.uk>
wrote:
Unsupported apps won't be installed. The process isn't that apps are
transferred from the old phone to the new, it's that they're all downloaded >>> from the app store. Typically the same version as in the old phone if it's >>> still available.
Not the iCloud restore even? The backup just contains pointers to the
app on the Apple Store?
yes. there's no need to back up what is available elsewhere.
older versions can be saved locally on a computer and later copied, but
very few people bother to do that.
The problem then is it's like turning up to repair a car but not then
having access to any (or your normal range of) tools. ;-(
The benefit (and weakness?) of iOS is that there's not much you can do when things go wrong. Wipe and restart is the best option.
I've been a field support guy too long to risk even a trip round the
block before I've tried / learned what I can first. ;-)
I should have added that the install and sync will use a lot of data so
make sure your mum's 4G is strong and stable. The icloud sync may take days to complete so don't worry if the photos don't all show up to begin with.
<snip>
Unsupported apps won't be installed. The process isn't that apps are
transferred from the old phone to the new, it's that they're all downloaded >>> from the app store. Typically the same version as in the old phone if it's >>> still available.
Not the iCloud restore even? The backup just contains pointers to the
app on the Apple Store?
Yup. The apps themselves aren't backed up, just the app data.
Thanks. Not working would be fine, overwriting would be fine,
duplicating would be a nightmare.
It would.
In article <thrlll$6029$1@dont-email.me>, T i m <eternal@spaced.me.uk>
wrote:
I was trying to avoid the 'Ah, you shouldn't have done that, now you
have to take it to the Apple store and get it unlocked ...'
no need to worry. worst case, factory reset and start over.
the only way to lock it is if you enter the wrong passcode too many
times.
you *could* reconfigure the 11 from scratch, but that's going to be a >>>>> lot of effort and you'll likely miss a few things.
That's what I thought (especially as I'm not particularly familiar with >>>> them).
it's a last resort, and really not worth the trouble unless *nothing*
else works.
Well, I currently have all her photos and emails, am probably going to
(have to, new number?) create a new Whatsapp account for her *anyway* so
it will just be a matter of anything she might use on the phone over
using them on her iPad.
the phone number is attached to the sim card, which should move when
you swap the sim from the old phone to the new one.
you might need to log in again on various apps, since passwords and
other credentials are not always backed up. it depends if the app
stores it securely, plus some apps see it's a new device and require
logging in again, even if it was backed up. all of that is entirely up
to the apps, not apple.
And there is a chance that something she likes /uses regularly won't
work on the new phone (but anything like that would probably still be ok
on her iPad etc).
there is that chance. nothing lasts forever.
Not the iCloud restore even? The backup just contains pointers to the
app on the Apple Store?
yes. there's no need to back up what is available elsewhere.
Indeed.
older versions can be saved locally on a computer and later copied, but very few people bother to do that.
I did look briefly at backing up her photos from iCloud but couldn't see
how to (easily) so didn't.
older versions can be saved locally on a computer and later copied, but
very few people bother to do that.
I did look briefly at backing up her photos from iCloud but couldn't see
how to (easily) so didn't.
i was referring to saving older versions of apps.
a restore will copy
whatever version of the app is currently available on the app store.
if
the developer removed the app or if the user prefers an older version, they're out of luck, unless they took the extra step to save an older version.
photos are user-created, so whatever is on the device will be backed
up, and the user can also copy them elsewhere.
On 08/10/2022 12:43, nospam wrote:
yes. there's no need to back up what is available elsewhere.
Sadly, that is incorrect, 'nospam'.
I have just bought a new iPhone 14 Pro and transferred EVERYTHING that
was on my iPhone SE automagically from one phone to the other.
Everything is set up identically to how it was on my SE, Apps included!
Am 08.10.22 um 16:12 schrieb David Brooks:
On 08/10/2022 12:43, nospam wrote:
yes. there's no need to back up what is available elsewhere.
Sadly, that is incorrect, 'nospam'.
I have just bought a new iPhone 14 Pro and transferred EVERYTHING that
was on my iPhone SE automagically from one phone to the other.
Everything is set up identically to how it was on my SE, Apps included!
Good guy, David! But what do you want to tell us?
Yup. The apps themselves aren't backed up, just the app data.
Chris said "The apps themselves aren't backed up, just the app data."
*That is false*!
EVERYTHING is stored in the cloud and will be transferred to the
receiving device!
It is easy to prove.
The apps themselves aren't backed up, just the app data.
In article <ciw0L.794780$f0c6.138163@fx10.ams1>, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
Chris said "The apps themselves aren't backed up, just the app data."
*That is false*!
it is not false.
what is backed up is app *data* (preferences, user content, etc.),
along with a *list* of installed apps, which are then re-downloaded
from the store. the apps themselves are *not* backed up because there
is a copy available in the app store.
however, if you have an older version of an app or one that is no
longer available at all, it won't be restored because it's no longer in
the app store.
EVERYTHING is stored in the cloud and will be transferred to the
receiving device!
nope.
apple even says it's not everything, but rather 'the most important
data' versus a 'full backup' if done locally.
<https://support.apple.com/library/content/dam/edam/applecare/images/en_ US/itunes/windows10-itunes12-device-sync-summary-back-up-now-on-click.jp
here's a list of what apple considers to be 'the most important data'.
pay particular attention to footnote 3.
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207428>
3. Your iCloud Backup includes information about the content you buy,
but not the content itself. When you restore from an iCloud backup,
your purchased content is automatically redownloaded from the iTunes
Store, App Store, or Books Store. Some types of content aren
It is easy to prove.
yes it is, and it shows that you are wrong.
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <ciw0L.794780$f0c6.138163@fx10.ams1>, David Brooks
<BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
Chris said "The apps themselves aren't backed up, just the app data."
*That is false*!
it is not false.
what is backed up is app *data* (preferences, user content, etc.),
along with a *list* of installed apps, which are then re-downloaded
from the store. the apps themselves are *not* backed up because there
is a copy available in the app store.
however, if you have an older version of an app or one that is no
longer available at all, it won't be restored because it's no longer in
the app store.
EVERYTHING is stored in the cloud and will be transferred to the
receiving device!
nope.
apple even says it's not everything, but rather 'the most important
data' versus a 'full backup' if done locally.
<https://support.apple.com/library/content/dam/edam/applecare/images/en_
US/itunes/windows10-itunes12-device-sync-summary-back-up-now-on-click.jp
here's a list of what apple considers to be 'the most important data'.
pay particular attention to footnote 3.
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207428>
3. Your iCloud Backup includes information about the content you buy,
but not the content itself. When you restore from an iCloud backup,
your purchased content is automatically redownloaded from the iTunes
Store, App Store, or Books Store. Some types of content aren
It is easy to prove.
yes it is, and it shows that you are wrong.
It’s quite clear from Apple’s documentation that you (nospam) et al have already referenced that the actual App executables are NOT repeat NOT
backed up in one’s iCloud account.
Chris said "The apps themselves aren't backed up, just the app data."
*That is false*!
it is not false.
what is backed up is app *data* (preferences, user content, etc.),
along with a *list* of installed apps, which are then re-downloaded
from the store. the apps themselves are *not* backed up because there
is a copy available in the app store.
however, if you have an older version of an app or one that is no
longer available at all, it won't be restored because it's no longer in
the app store.
EVERYTHING is stored in the cloud and will be transferred to the
receiving device!
nope.
apple even says it's not everything, but rather 'the most important
data' versus a 'full backup' if done locally.
<https://support.apple.com/library/content/dam/edam/applecare/images/en_ >> US/itunes/windows10-itunes12-device-sync-summary-back-up-now-on-click.jp >>>
here's a list of what apple considers to be 'the most important data'.
pay particular attention to footnote 3.
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207428>
3. Your iCloud Backup includes information about the content you buy, >> but not the content itself. When you restore from an iCloud backup,
your purchased content is automatically redownloaded from the iTunes
Store, App Store, or Books Store. Some types of content aren
It is easy to prove.
yes it is, and it shows that you are wrong.
It¹s quite clear from Apple¹s documentation that you (nospam) et al have already referenced that the actual App executables are NOT repeat NOT backed up in one¹s iCloud account.
Regardless of 'documentation',
I can assure you that on transfer from
one phone to another there is no need whatsoever to reinstall Apps if downloading from the iCloud.
Try it and see for yourself.
In article <VLU0L.1394850$%q2.625709@fx15.ams1>, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
Chris said "The apps themselves aren't backed up, just the app data." >>>>>
*That is false*!
it is not false.
what is backed up is app *data* (preferences, user content, etc.),
along with a *list* of installed apps, which are then re-downloaded
from the store. the apps themselves are *not* backed up because there
is a copy available in the app store.
however, if you have an older version of an app or one that is no
longer available at all, it won't be restored because it's no longer in >>>> the app store.
EVERYTHING is stored in the cloud and will be transferred to the
receiving device!
nope.
apple even says it's not everything, but rather 'the most important
data' versus a 'full backup' if done locally.
<https://support.apple.com/library/content/dam/edam/applecare/images/en_ >>>> US/itunes/windows10-itunes12-device-sync-summary-back-up-now-on-click.jp >>>>>
here's a list of what apple considers to be 'the most important data'. >>>> pay particular attention to footnote 3.
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207428>
3. Your iCloud Backup includes information about the content you buy, >>>> but not the content itself. When you restore from an iCloud backup, >>>> your purchased content is automatically redownloaded from the iTunes >>>> Store, App Store, or Books Store. Some types of content aren
It is easy to prove.
yes it is, and it shows that you are wrong.
It¹s quite clear from Apple¹s documentation that you (nospam) et al have >>> already referenced that the actual App executables are NOT repeat NOT
backed up in one¹s iCloud account.
Regardless of 'documentation',
are you actually claiming apple's documentation is wrong??
I can assure you that on transfer from
one phone to another there is no need whatsoever to reinstall Apps if
downloading from the iCloud.
except that's not what has been claimed.
Try it and see for yourself.
i have, and unlike you, i know how it actually works.
I have no idea HOW it works,
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