Not only is macOS inherently unreliable, but it hides its failings from
the user.
So says Howard Oakley in today's Blog!
https://eclecticlight.co/2022/10/16/last-week-on-my-mac-it-either-works-or-it-doesnt/
Do you agree?
--
David
Not only is macOS inherently unreliable, but it hides its failings from
the user.
So says Howard Oakley in today's Blog!
https://eclecticlight.co/2022/10/16/last-week-on-my-mac-it-either-works-or-it-doesnt/
Do you agree?
On 10/16/22 02:15, David Brooks wrote:
Not only is macOS inherently unreliable, but it hides its failings
from the user.
So says Howard Oakley in today's Blog!
https://eclecticlight.co/2022/10/16/last-week-on-my-mac-it-either-works-or-it-doesnt/
Do you agree?
Mac OS is not unreliable. Windows on the other hand ...
What Mac OS is is weird for the sake of weirdness
and as such is awkward to use, especially the
idiotic menu bar at the top. Power users REQUIRE
a decent, functioning task bar.
But, that being said, you can get use to MacOS.
Even users of Windows Chrome Book edition
(Windows 11) eventually get use to it.
Reliability scale:
  Garbage: Windows
  Good:   MacOS
  Great:  Linux
The IT Crowd - The Robot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M46HvyAG2k
On 10/16/22 02:15, David Brooks wrote:
Not only is macOS inherently unreliable, but it hides its failings from
the user.
So says Howard Oakley in today's Blog!
https://eclecticlight.co/2022/10/16/last-week-on-my-mac-it-either-works-or-it-doesnt/
Do you agree?
Mac OS is not unreliable. Windows on the other hand ...
What Mac OS is is weird for the sake of weirdness
and as such is awkward to use, especially the
idiotic menu bar at the top.
Power users REQUIRE
a decent, functioning task bar.
But, that being said, you can get use to MacOS.
Even users of Windows Chrome Book edition
(Windows 11) eventually get use to it.
Reliability scale:
Garbage: Windows
Good: MacOS
Great: Linux
The IT Crowd - The Robot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M46HvyAG2k
On Oct 17, 2022 at 11:01:27 PM MST, "T" wrote <tilffn$3m6i5$10@dont-email.me>:
On 10/16/22 02:15, David Brooks wrote:
Not only is macOS inherently unreliable, but it hides its failings from
the user.
So says Howard Oakley in today's Blog!
https://eclecticlight.co/2022/10/16/last-week-on-my-mac-it-either-works-or-it-doesnt/
Do you agree?
Mac OS is not unreliable. Windows on the other hand ...
What Mac OS is is weird for the sake of weirdness
and as such is awkward to use, especially the
idiotic menu bar at the top.
In the past, with smaller screens, there were studies showing it was more efficient. I suspect with modern, larger screens that is no longer the case --
but I have not found studies to back my intuition.
Power users REQUIRE
a decent, functioning task bar.
Not sure what you are looking for here.
But, that being said, you can get use to MacOS.
Even users of Windows Chrome Book edition
(Windows 11) eventually get use to it.
Reliability scale:
Garbage: Windows
Good: MacOS
Great: Linux
Linux has a good back end, but the UI for the system is a mess. Disclaimer: I have not used it much in a few years, and it HAS been improving.
The IT Crowd - The Robot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M46HvyAG2k
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Mac works pretty nice for graphic designers.
(It is typically the only program they
have open.)
Hello? The 1990s have called and want you back.
For someone who speaks with such authority it's surprising how little you understand.
On 10/17/22 23:21, Snit wrote:
On Oct 17, 2022 at 11:01:27 PM MST, "T" wrote <tilffn$3m6i5$10@dont-email.me>:
On 10/16/22 02:15, David Brooks wrote:
Not only is macOS inherently unreliable, but it hides its failings from >>>> the user.
So says Howard Oakley in today's Blog!
https://eclecticlight.co/2022/10/16/last-week-on-my-mac-it-either-works-or-it-doesnt/
Do you agree?
Mac OS is not unreliable. Windows on the other hand ...
What Mac OS is is weird for the sake of weirdness
and as such is awkward to use, especially the
idiotic menu bar at the top.
In the past, with smaller screens, there were studies showing it was more
efficient. I suspect with modern, larger screens that is no longer the case --
but I have not found studies to back my intuition.
That is the best explanation I have seen for
it yet. I suffer with it. Typically, I have
to teach my Mac customers what it is.
(Goes in one ear and out the other.)
Power users REQUIRE
a decent, functioning task bar.
Not sure what you are looking for here.
I am one such power user. Multiple programs
open at once. If I can't flip between
open programs with ease, I lose my productivity.
(And say a few choice words.)
And the four clipboards had better work right
(although I typically only use the primary
and secondary clipboards).
Most Mac user I know or have seen are
really only using one or two programs at the
most. So that silly menu bar at the top
would not drive them too nuts.
Mac works pretty nice for graphic designers.
(It is typically the only program they
have open.)
Not only is macOS inherently unreliable, but it hides its failings from
the user.
So says Howard Oakley in today's Blog!
https://eclecticlight.co/2022/10/16/last-week-on-my-mac-it-either-works-or-it-doesnt/
Do you agree?
On 18/10/2022 07:01, T wrote:
Reliability scale:
  Garbage: Windows
  Good:   MacOS
  Great:  Linux
Best of all, I've put Linux Mint onto my old iMac!
Am 18.10.22 um 08:01 schrieb T:
Reliability scale:
Garbage: Windows
Good: MacOS
Great: Linux
I disagree:
Good: Linux
Great: MacOS (on Apple hardware)
Reliability scale:
Garbage: Windows
Good: MacOS
Great: Linux
On 10/18/22 00:55, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Am 18.10.22 um 08:01 schrieb T:
Reliability scale:
Garbage: Windows
Good: MacOS
Great: Linux
I disagree:
Good: Linux
Great: MacOS (on Apple hardware)
Have you tested Linux on Apple hardware?
On 10/18/22 00:59, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Am 18.10.22 um 08:12 schrieb David Brooks:
On 18/10/2022 07:01, T wrote:
Reliability scale:
  Garbage: Windows
  Good:   MacOS
  Great:  Linux
Best of all, I've put Linux Mint onto my old iMac!
I put Ubuntu 22.04 on my MacBook Air after one year Linux Mint 20.
Instead Mint is now running on my Dell Inspiron after one year of Ubuntu
20 which was preinstalled when I bought it.
I use Linux for 15 years now on various hardware. Linux is by far not as
stable as Mac OS.
Have you tried Xfce or MATE or KDE on Fedora?
https://spins.fedoraproject.org/
Am 18.10.22 um 10:12 schrieb T:
On 10/18/22 00:55, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Am 18.10.22 um 08:01 schrieb T:
Reliability scale:
Garbage: Windows
Good: MacOS
Great: Linux
I disagree:
Good: Linux
Great: MacOS (on Apple hardware)
Have you tested Linux on Apple hardware?
I put Ubuntu 22.04 on my MacBook Air after one year Linux Mint 20.
Instead Mint is now running on my Dell Inspiron after one year of Ubuntu
20 which was preinstalled when I bought it.
I use Linux for 15 years now on various hardware. Linux is by far not as stable as Mac OS. Even not on Apple hardware.
Got one customer with a Mac that is just slow.
I can't figure out why. Takes two minutes to
start Firefox and mail and other programs.
CPU is at about 6%, hard drive is mostly empty
and very little activity, memory is only about
2/3 used up. Reboot, which takes a while,
does not change anything. I told her she needs
a new Mac. Old one is about 8 years old.
Am 18.10.22 um 11:00 schrieb T:
Got one customer with a Mac that is just slow.
I can't figure out why. Takes two minutes to
start Firefox and mail and other programs.
CPU is at about 6%, hard drive is mostly empty
and very little activity, memory is only about
2/3 used up. Reboot, which takes a while,
does not change anything. I told her she needs
a new Mac. Old one is about 8 years old.
Uninformed guess: She still has a classic rotating hard drive and as filesystem already APFS.
Next week I migrate a W11 machine to another
motherboard and replace the original
NVMe Intel RST raid volume (which is a bit slow
and clunky) with a RAID 1 volume on a HighTech
7202 hardware RAID controller.
Show be a fun day! :'(
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Most Mac user I know or have seen are
really only using one or two programs at the
most. So that silly menu bar at the top
would not drive them too nuts.
Mac works pretty nice for graphic designers.
(It is typically the only program they
have open.)
Hello? The 1990s have called and want you back.
For someone who speaks with such authority it's surprising how little you understand.
Got one customer with a Mac that is just slow.
I can't figure out why. Takes two minutes to
start Firefox and mail and other programs.
CPU is at about 6%, hard drive is mostly empty
and very little activity, memory is only about
2/3 used up. Reboot, which takes a while,
does not change anything. I told her she needs
a new Mac. Old one is about 8 years old.
In article <tilpvh$3mu8q$2@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Got one customer with a Mac that is just slow.
I can't figure out why. Takes two minutes to
start Firefox and mail and other programs.
CPU is at about 6%, hard drive is mostly empty
and very little activity, memory is only about
2/3 used up. Reboot, which takes a while,
does not change anything. I told her she needs
a new Mac. Old one is about 8 years old.
it's impossible to accurately diagnose it without seeing it, but after
8 years, the symptoms you describe suggest a a failing hard drive as
the most likely possibility.
What Mac OS is is weird for the sake of weirdness
and as such is awkward to use, especially the
idiotic menu bar at the top. Power users REQUIRE
a decent, functioning task bar.
actual power users have no issues whatsoever with a menu bar at the top
or a dock at the bottom.
+1
T's claim is completely farfetched.
My experience with all desktop OSs is that Mac is the most efficient to
use with a wide margin.
In article <tilffn$3m6i5$10@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
What Mac OS is is weird for the sake of weirdness
and as such is awkward to use, especially the
idiotic menu bar at the top. Power users REQUIRE
a decent, functioning task bar.
actual power users have no issues whatsoever with a menu bar at the top
or a dock at the bottom.
Got one customer with a Mac that is just slow.
I can't figure out why. Takes two minutes to
start Firefox and mail and other programs.
CPU is at about 6%, hard drive is mostly empty
and very little activity, memory is only about
2/3 used up. Reboot, which takes a while,
does not change anything. I told her she needs
a new Mac. Old one is about 8 years old.
it's impossible to accurately diagnose it without seeing it, but after
8 years, the symptoms you describe suggest a a failing hard drive as
the most likely possibility.
Is there a tool on the Mac which shows CPU/GPU temperature?
Reboot, which takes a while,
does not change anything. I told her she needs
a new Mac. Old one is about 8 years old.
Did you tell here to start it in *Safe Boot* mode?
Worth a try!
Reboot, which takes a while,
does not change anything. I told her she needs
a new Mac. Old one is about 8 years old.
Am 18.10.22 um 08:12 schrieb David Brooks:
On 18/10/2022 07:01, T wrote:
Reliability scale:
  Garbage: Windows
  Good:   MacOS
  Great:  Linux
Best of all, I've put Linux Mint onto my old iMac!
I put Ubuntu 22.04 on my MacBook Air after one year Linux Mint 20.
Instead Mint is now running on my Dell Inspiron after one year of Ubuntu
20 which was preinstalled when I bought it.
I use Linux for 15 years now on various hardware. Linux is by far not as stable as Mac OS.
In article <timdh7$e6o5$1@solani.org>, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch>
wrote:
What Mac OS is is weird for the sake of weirdness
and as such is awkward to use, especially the
idiotic menu bar at the top. Power users REQUIRE
a decent, functioning task bar.
actual power users have no issues whatsoever with a menu bar at the top
or a dock at the bottom.
+1
T's claim is completely farfetched.
My experience with all desktop OSs is that Mac is the most efficient to
use with a wide margin.
that's backed up by multiple independent user studies, which show that
mac productivity is the highest and tech support the lowest.
Am 18.10.22 um 14:41 schrieb nospam:
In article <tilffn$3m6i5$10@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
What Mac OS is is weird for the sake of weirdness
and as such is awkward to use, especially the
idiotic menu bar at the top. Power users REQUIRE
a decent, functioning task bar.
actual power users have no issues whatsoever with a menu bar at the top
or a dock at the bottom.
+1
T's claim is completely farfetched.
My experience with all desktop OSs is that Mac is the most efficient to
use with a wide margin.
On 10/17/22 23:21, Snit wrote:
On Oct 17, 2022 at 11:01:27 PM MST, "T" wrote <tilffn$3m6i5$10@dont-email.me>:
On 10/16/22 02:15, David Brooks wrote:
Not only is macOS inherently unreliable, but it hides its failings from >>>> the user.
So says Howard Oakley in today's Blog!
https://eclecticlight.co/2022/10/16/last-week-on-my-mac-it-either-works-or-it-doesnt/
Do you agree?
Mac OS is not unreliable. Windows on the other hand ...
What Mac OS is is weird for the sake of weirdness
and as such is awkward to use, especially the
idiotic menu bar at the top.
In the past, with smaller screens, there were studies showing it was more
efficient. I suspect with modern, larger screens that is no longer the case --
but I have not found studies to back my intuition.
That is the best explanation I have seen for
it yet.
I suffer with it. Typically, I have
to teach my Mac customers what it is.
(Goes in one ear and out the other.)
Power users REQUIRE
a decent, functioning task bar.
Not sure what you are looking for here.
I am one such power user. Multiple programs
open at once. If I can't flip between
open programs with ease, I lose my productivity.
(And say a few choice words.)
And the four clipboards had better work right
(although I typically only use the primary
and secondary clipboards).
Most Mac user I know or have seen are
really only using one or two programs at the
most. So that silly menu bar at the top
would not drive them too nuts.
Mac works pretty nice for graphic designers.
(It is typically the only program they
have open.)
But, that being said, you can get use to MacOS.
Even users of Windows Chrome Book edition
(Windows 11) eventually get use to it.
Reliability scale:
Garbage: Windows
Good: MacOS
Great: Linux
Linux has a good back end, but the UI for the system is a mess. Disclaimer: I
have not used it much in a few years, and it HAS been improving.
Which one? There are like 17 of them. I prefer
Xfce and MATE. You should try their Live USB's.
It has gotten a lot better.
Gnome is still weird to point of being unusable.
If it was Gnome you tested, I am surprised you did
not throw your computer out the window.
The IT Crowd - The Robot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M46HvyAG2k
on 10/18/2022, nospam supposed :
In article <tilpvh$3mu8q$2@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Got one customer with a Mac that is just slow.
I can't figure out why. Takes two minutes to
start Firefox and mail and other programs.
CPU is at about 6%, hard drive is mostly empty
and very little activity, memory is only about
2/3 used up. Reboot, which takes a while,
does not change anything. I told her she needs
a new Mac. Old one is about 8 years old.
it's impossible to accurately diagnose it without seeing it, but after
8 years, the symptoms you describe suggest a a failing hard drive as
the most likely possibility.
Is there a tool on the Mac which shows CPU/GPU temperature?
No idea how difficult it is on a Mac.
Am 16.10.22 um 11:15 schrieb David Brooks:
Not only is macOS inherently unreliable, but it hides its failings from
the user.
So says Howard Oakley in today's Blog!
https://eclecticlight.co/2022/10/16/last-week-on-my-mac-it-either-works-or-it-doesnt/
Do you agree?
I totally disagree.
On 10/17/22 23:12, David Brooks wrote:
On 18/10/2022 07:01, T wrote:
On 10/16/22 02:15, David Brooks wrote:
Not only is macOS inherently unreliable, but it hides its failings
from the user.
So says Howard Oakley in today's Blog!
https://eclecticlight.co/2022/10/16/last-week-on-my-mac-it-either-works-or-it-doesnt/
Do you agree?
Mac OS is not unreliable. Windows on the other hand ...
What Mac OS is is weird for the sake of weirdness
and as such is awkward to use, especially the
idiotic menu bar at the top. Power users REQUIRE
a decent, functioning task bar.
But, that being said, you can get use to MacOS.
Even users of Windows Chrome Book edition
(Windows 11) eventually get use to it.
Reliability scale:
   Garbage: Windows
   Good:   MacOS
   Great:  Linux
Best of all, I've put Linux Mint onto my old iMac!
The IT Crowd - The Robot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M46HvyAG2k
Great fun!
And you can boot off several different GUI
on flash drives to see which GUI you like
the best.
And keep one around for emergencies.
on 10/18/2022, nospam supposed :
In article <tilpvh$3mu8q$2@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Got one customer with a Mac that is just slow.
I can't figure out why. Takes two minutes to
start Firefox and mail and other programs.
CPU is at about 6%, hard drive is mostly empty
and very little activity, memory is only about
2/3 used up. Reboot, which takes a while,
does not change anything. I told her she needs
a new Mac. Old one is about 8 years old.
it's impossible to accurately diagnose it without seeing it, but after
8 years, the symptoms you describe suggest a a failing hard drive as
the most likely possibility.
Is there a tool on the Mac which shows CPU/GPU temperature?
In article <QDz3L.1165515$G_96.861452@fx13.ams1>, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
Reboot, which takes a while,
does not change anything. I told her she needs
a new Mac. Old one is about 8 years old.
Did you tell here to start it in *Safe Boot* mode?
enough with the safe boot rubbish.
anytime anyone has any problem, you ignorantly suggest it, without any
idea of what it's actually for and when it's appropriate to be used.
Worth a try!
no, it isn't, especially in this case given the description of symptoms.
In article <tim9gu$3o8ou$1@dont-email.me>, FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
Got one customer with a Mac that is just slow.
I can't figure out why. Takes two minutes to
start Firefox and mail and other programs.
CPU is at about 6%, hard drive is mostly empty
and very little activity, memory is only about
2/3 used up. Reboot, which takes a while,
does not change anything. I told her she needs
a new Mac. Old one is about 8 years old.
it's impossible to accurately diagnose it without seeing it, but after
8 years, the symptoms you describe suggest a a failing hard drive as
the most likely possibility.
Is there a tool on the Mac which shows CPU/GPU temperature?
in terminal,
sudo powermetrics --samplers smc | grep -i "CPU die temperature"
there are also several apps, although temp doesn't mean much for disk problems. some show hard drive smart status, along with assorted other
sensor values, such as fan speed, charge rate, memory usage and much
more. istat menus is one of the better ones, but there are many others.
On 10/18/22 01:19, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Am 18.10.22 um 10:12 schrieb T:
On 10/18/22 00:55, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Am 18.10.22 um 08:01 schrieb T:
Reliability scale:
     Garbage: Windows
     Good:   MacOS
     Great:  Linux
I disagree:
Good:Â Â Â Â Linux
Great:Â Â Â Â MacOS (on Apple hardware)
Have you tested Linux on Apple hardware?
I put Ubuntu 22.04 on my MacBook Air after one year Linux Mint 20.
Instead Mint is now running on my Dell Inspiron after one year of Ubuntu
20 which was preinstalled when I bought it.
I use Linux for 15 years now on various hardware. Linux is by far not as
stable as Mac OS. Even not on Apple hardware.
It could be that I only see Mac's when customer
have issues with them. The customers I have
put on Linux do not call me until they replace
their printers.
Got one customer with a Mac that is just slow.
I can't figure out why. Takes two minutes to
start Firefox and mail and other programs.
CPU is at about 6%, hard drive is mostly empty
and very little activity, memory is only about
2/3 used up. Reboot, which takes a while,
does not change anything. I told her she needs
a new Mac. Old one is about 8 years old.
On 10/17/22 23:12, David Brooks wrote:
Best of all, I've put Linux Mint onto my old iMac!
Have you discovered the primary and secondary
clipboards yet?
On 10/17/22 23:12, David Brooks wrote:
The IT Crowd - The Robot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M46HvyAG2k
Great fun!
I carry the clip with me to customer sites.
In article <5pC3L.1165525$G_96.324978@fx13.ams1>, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
Reboot, which takes a while,
does not change anything. I told her she needs
a new Mac. Old one is about 8 years old.
Did you tell here to start it in *Safe Boot* mode?
enough with the safe boot rubbish.
It is NOT "rubbish"!
it is when you suggest it for no justifiable reason.
anytime anyone has any problem, you ignorantly suggest it, without any
idea of what it's actually for and when it's appropriate to be used.
Apple says ...
//Safe mode can help you determine whether an issue is being caused by
software that loads when your Mac starts up.
hard drive problems are not software.
thanks for confirming it's rubbish.
Reboot, which takes a while,
does not change anything. I told her she needs
a new Mac. Old one is about 8 years old.
Did you tell here to start it in *Safe Boot* mode?
enough with the safe boot rubbish.
It is NOT "rubbish"!
anytime anyone has any problem, you ignorantly suggest it, without any
idea of what it's actually for and when it's appropriate to be used.
Apple says ...
//Safe mode can help you determine whether an issue is being caused by software that loads when your Mac starts up.
On 18/10/2022 10:00, T wrote:
On 10/18/22 01:19, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Am 18.10.22 um 10:12 schrieb T:
On 10/18/22 00:55, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Am 18.10.22 um 08:01 schrieb T:
Reliability scale:
     Garbage: Windows
     Good:   MacOS
     Great:  Linux
I disagree:
Good:Â Â Â Â Linux
Great:Â Â Â Â MacOS (on Apple hardware)
Have you tested Linux on Apple hardware?
I put Ubuntu 22.04 on my MacBook Air after one year Linux Mint 20.
Instead Mint is now running on my Dell Inspiron after one year of Ubuntu >>> 20 which was preinstalled when I bought it.
I use Linux for 15 years now on various hardware. Linux is by far not as >>> stable as Mac OS. Even not on Apple hardware.
It could be that I only see Mac's when customer
have issues with them. The customers I have
put on Linux do not call me until they replace
their printers.
Got one customer with a Mac that is just slow.
I can't figure out why. Takes two minutes to
start Firefox and mail and other programs.
CPU is at about 6%, hard drive is mostly empty
and very little activity, memory is only about
2/3 used up. Reboot, which takes a while,
does not change anything. I told her she needs
a new Mac. Old one is about 8 years old.
You might like to suggest she tries this:-
https://cmm.macpaw.com/8?
It's free to try. :-)
On 18/10/2022 20:29, nospam wrote:
In article <5pC3L.1165525$G_96.324978@fx13.ams1>, David Brooks
<BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
Reboot, which takes a while,
does not change anything. I told her she needs
a new Mac. Old one is about 8 years old.
Did you tell here to start it in *Safe Boot* mode?
enough with the safe boot rubbish.
It is NOT "rubbish"!
it is when you suggest it for no justifiable reason.
'T' said that the iMac was "slow"
On 10/18/22 00:19, Chris wrote:
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Mac works pretty nice for graphic designers.
(It is typically the only program they
have open.)
Hello? The 1990s have called and want you back.
For someone who speaks with such authority it's surprising how little you
understand.
Hi Chris,
Stop acting like the poster boi for the
for the Dunning-Kruger effect.
Am 18.10.22 um 21:36 schrieb David Brooks:
On 18/10/2022 20:29, nospam wrote:
In article <5pC3L.1165525$G_96.324978@fx13.ams1>, David Brooks
<BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
Reboot, which takes a while,
does not change anything. I told her she needs
a new Mac. Old one is about 8 years old.
Did you tell here to start it in *Safe Boot* mode?
enough with the safe boot rubbish.
It is NOT "rubbish"!
it is when you suggest it for no justifiable reason.
'T' said that the iMac was "slow"
Your suggestion is completely useless.
And I see SSD brick on occasion, especially
the cheap ones
On 10/18/22 11:27, David Brooks wrote:
On 18/10/2022 07:50, T wrote:
On 10/17/22 23:12, David Brooks wrote:
Best of all, I've put Linux Mint onto my old iMac!
Have you discovered the primary and secondary
clipboards yet?
Not that I recall.
Is that important?
The two can be really helpful.
primary clipboard:
  highlight some text with your mouse, then
move your mouse somewhere else and center click
(push your roller ball down) to drop what you
highlighted.
Secondary clipboard:
  Highlight some text:
     <ctrl><C> to copy it into the clipboard
     <ctrl><X> to move it into the clipboard
        (deletes the original)
  Move your move to somewhere else:
     <ctrl><V> to paste from the clipboard
If you're in that environment you probably need multiple servers in a
high-availability configuration, because the motherboards and other
hardware will be at least as unreliable as the SSDs.
This is mission critical.
And I see SSD brick on occasion, especially
the cheap ones
Mac works pretty nice for graphic designers.
(It is typically the only program they
have open.)
Hello? The 1990s have called and want you back.
For someone who speaks with such authority it's surprising how little you >>> understand.
Hi Chris,
Stop acting like the poster boi for the
for the Dunning-Kruger effect.
Oh the irony.
Yup. Have fun with them keyboard shortcuts
trying to flick between programs.
T wrote:
[snip
If you're in that environment you probably need multiple servers in a
high-availability configuration, because the motherboards and other
hardware will be at least as unreliable as the SSDs.
This is mission critical.
And I see SSD brick on occasion, especially
the cheap ones
So what are you doing about the potential failures of other components,
such as the motherboards I mention?
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 10/18/22 00:19, Chris wrote:
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Mac works pretty nice for graphic designers.
(It is typically the only program they
have open.)
Hello? The 1990s have called and want you back.
For someone who speaks with such authority it's surprising how little you >>> understand.
Hi Chris,
Stop acting like the poster boi for the
for the Dunning-Kruger effect.
Oh the irony.
On Oct 19, 2022 at 10:03:00 AM MST, "T" wrote <tipak4$2oqr$6@dont-email.me>:
On 10/19/22 00:44, Chris wrote:
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 10/18/22 00:19, Chris wrote:
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Mac works pretty nice for graphic designers.
(It is typically the only program they
have open.)
Hello? The 1990s have called and want you back.
For someone who speaks with such authority it's surprising how little you >>>>> understand.
Hi Chris,
Stop acting like the poster boi for the
for the Dunning-Kruger effect.
Oh the irony.
Yup. Have fun with them keyboard shortcuts
trying to flick between programs.
It is one of the things that is good about having common shortcuts from one app to another. Of course some of the specialized ones will be different, but on macOS they tend to be more consistent. Same with terms and menu placements.
On 10/19/22 00:44, Chris wrote:
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 10/18/22 00:19, Chris wrote:
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Mac works pretty nice for graphic designers.
(It is typically the only program they
have open.)
Hello? The 1990s have called and want you back.
For someone who speaks with such authority it's surprising how little you >>>> understand.
Hi Chris,
Stop acting like the poster boi for the
for the Dunning-Kruger effect.
Oh the irony.
Yup. Have fun with them keyboard shortcuts
trying to flick between programs.
Am 18.10.22 um 14:41 schrieb nospam:
In article <tilffn$3m6i5$10@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
What Mac OS is is weird for the sake of weirdness
and as such is awkward to use, especially the
idiotic menu bar at the top. Power users REQUIRE
a decent, functioning task bar.
actual power users have no issues whatsoever with a menu bar at the top
or a dock at the bottom.
+1
T's claim is completely farfetched.
My experience with all desktop OSs is that Mac is the most efficient to
use with a wide margin.
On Oct 19, 2022 at 10:03:00 AM MST, "T" wrote <tipak4$2oqr$6@dont-email.me>:
On 10/19/22 00:44, Chris wrote:
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 10/18/22 00:19, Chris wrote:
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Mac works pretty nice for graphic designers.
(It is typically the only program they
have open.)
Hello? The 1990s have called and want you back.
For someone who speaks with such authority it's surprising how little you >>>>> understand.
Hi Chris,
Stop acting like the poster boi for the
for the Dunning-Kruger effect.
Oh the irony.
Yup. Have fun with them keyboard shortcuts
trying to flick between programs.
It is one of the things that is good about having common shortcuts from one app to another. Of course some of the specialized ones will be different, but on macOS they tend to be more consistent. Same with terms and menu placements.
I gave up on multi button mice years ago for
the same reason as I could never remember what
the extra buttons did and created a YUGE mess
trying to use them. I love a straight two button
and roller ball with button mouse.
On 10/19/22 10:18, Snit wrote:
On Oct 19, 2022 at 10:03:00 AM MST, "T" wrote <tipak4$2oqr$6@dont-email.me>: >>
On 10/19/22 00:44, Chris wrote:
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 10/18/22 00:19, Chris wrote:
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Mac works pretty nice for graphic designers.
(It is typically the only program they
have open.)
Hello? The 1990s have called and want you back.
For someone who speaks with such authority it's surprising how little you
understand.
Hi Chris,
Stop acting like the poster boi for the
for the Dunning-Kruger effect.
Oh the irony.
Yup. Have fun with them keyboard shortcuts
trying to flick between programs.
It is one of the things that is good about having common shortcuts from one >> app to another. Of course some of the specialized ones will be different, but
on macOS they tend to be more consistent. Same with terms and menu placements.
If I am involved in clipboard operations, I
love a task bar as I do not have to take my
eyes off the monitor to switch programs.
It is a real time saver and I do not have to
take mind off what I am thinking and think of
something else to accomplish what I need.
Short term memory and all.
And what programs I run are not always the
same. Plus keyboard shortcuts are often read
by programs themselves and all hell breaks lose.
Plus, I do not have to remember what the
stinkers are.
I gave up on multi button mice years ago for
the same reason as I could never remember what
the extra buttons did and created a YUGE mess
trying to use them. I love a straight two button
and roller ball with button mouse.
I suppose if I only operated a couple of programs
and only did the same things over and over and over,
it would be different, but I do not consider
that a "power" user.
If I ever can afford the monitor I have my eyes on
Things are really going to get insane without a
functioning task bar.
https://www.amazon.com/LG-38WK95C-W-38-Inch-Class-UltraWide/dp/B079L4WR4T
In article <tipc9n$2oqr$8@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
I gave up on multi button mice years ago for
the same reason as I could never remember what
the extra buttons did and created a YUGE mess
trying to use them. I love a straight two button
and roller ball with button mouse.
that *is* a multi-button mouse.
On 10/18/22 07:34, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Am 18.10.22 um 14:41 schrieb nospam:
In article <tilffn$3m6i5$10@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
What Mac OS is is weird for the sake of weirdness
and as such is awkward to use, especially the
idiotic menu bar at the top. Power users REQUIRE
a decent, functioning task bar.
actual power users have no issues whatsoever with a menu bar at the top
or a dock at the bottom.
+1
T's claim is completely farfetched.
My experience with all desktop OSs is that Mac is the most efficient to
use with a wide margin.
There was a YUGE discussion over on the Fedora
mailing list two weeks ago. They all beg to differ
with you. The term "awkward" got used a lot.
On 10/19/22 05:20, David Brooks wrote:
On 19/10/2022 12:42, T wrote:
On 10/18/22 11:27, David Brooks wrote:
On 18/10/2022 07:50, T wrote:
On 10/17/22 23:12, David Brooks wrote:
Best of all, I've put Linux Mint onto my old iMac!
Have you discovered the primary and secondary
clipboards yet?
Not that I recall.
Is that important?
The two can be really helpful.
primary clipboard:
   highlight some text with your mouse, then
move your mouse somewhere else and center click
(push your roller ball down) to drop what you
highlighted.
Secondary clipboard:
   Highlight some text:
      <ctrl><C> to copy it into the clipboard
      <ctrl><X> to move it into the clipboard
         (deletes the original)
   Move your move to somewhere else:
      <ctrl><V> to paste from the clipboard
That sounds much like Copy & Paste on my iMac.
It is. It is the secondary clipboard in Linux.
I use both constantly. Give the primary
clipboard a test. It is very useful.
And what programs I run are not always the
same. Plus keyboard shortcuts are often read
by programs themselves and all hell breaks lose.
Plus, I do not have to remember what the
stinkers are.
On 19. Oct 2022 at 19:33:21 CEST, "T" <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
And what programs I run are not always the
same. Plus keyboard shortcuts are often read
by programs themselves and all hell breaks lose.
Plus, I do not have to remember what the
stinkers are.
You should try cmd-tab.
That´s the only program-switcher I care about.
I never encoutered a program that intercepts cmd-tab.
The Windows taskbar can be set to show not just apps but windows. That is a benefit (though can lead to clutter, hence why it is not the default now). You
can get that third party on macOS, but other than that what advantage are you seeing with it?
On 10/19/22 12:21, Snit wrote:
The Windows taskbar can be set to show not just apps but windows. That is a >> benefit (though can lead to clutter, hence why it is not the default now). You
can get that third party on macOS, but other than that what advantage are you
seeing with it?
I do not want not take my eyes off the monitor
to switch programs.
I have to add third party
stuff to Windows too.
Have you noticed that W11 is a total rip off
of Chrombook?
Have you noticed that W11 is a total rip off
of Chrombook?
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