Apparently macOS Ventura, iOS 16.1 and iPadOS 16.1 will be released
followed probably by all sorts of new hardware in the next few weeks. I’ve been running Ventura beta for a while now so I sort of know what to expect!
<https://www.macrumors.com/2022/10/23/mark-your-calendars-ios-16-1-new-ipads-more/>
Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
Apparently macOS Ventura, iOS 16.1 and iPadOS 16.1 will be released
followed probably by all sorts of new hardware in the next few weeks. I’ve >> been running Ventura beta for a while now so I sort of know what to expect! >>
<https://www.macrumors.com/2022/10/23/mark-your-calendars-ios-16-1-new-ipads-more/>
iOS 16.1 has this: “A new clean energy charging feature will "optimize" charging times to when the grid is using cleaner energy sources."
How can that possibly work?
Fortunately it can be turned off, along with the current “optimized charging”. When I plug it in, I want it charged as fast as possible. I am not interested in waiting until Apple decides “now is a good time to charge your phone”. 🙄
On 24 Oct 2022 at 15:40:00 BST, Bob Campbell wrote:
iOS 16.1 has this: “A new clean energy charging feature will "optimize"
charging times to when the grid is using cleaner energy sources."
How can that possibly work?
I'd be surprised if it does work in the UK, but it'd be quite straightforward to determine when, say, wind, is providing a decent amoutn of energy and ramp up the charging rate then.
Fortunately it can be turned off, along with the current “optimized
charging”. When I plug it in, I want it charged as fast as possible. I >> am not interested in waiting until Apple decides “now is a good time to
charge your phone”. 🙄
If you're in no rush (most of the time I'm not) I can't see what harm it does - and it may do a lot of good.
On 24 Oct 2022 at 15:40:00 BST, Bob Campbell wrote:
Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
Apparently macOS Ventura, iOS 16.1 and iPadOS 16.1 will be released
followed probably by all sorts of new hardware in the next few weeks. I’ve
been running Ventura beta for a while now so I sort of know what to expect! >>>
<https://www.macrumors.com/2022/10/23/mark-your-calendars-ios-16-1-new-ipads-more/>
iOS 16.1 has this: “A new clean energy charging feature will "optimize"
charging times to when the grid is using cleaner energy sources."
How can that possibly work?
I'd be surprised if it does work in the UK, but it'd be quite straightforward to determine when, say, wind, is providing a decent amoutn of energy and ramp up the charging rate then.
Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
Apparently macOS Ventura, iOS 16.1 and iPadOS 16.1 will be released
followed probably by all sorts of new hardware in the next few weeks. I’ve >> been running Ventura beta for a while now so I sort of know what to expect! >>
<https://www.macrumors.com/2022/10/23/mark-your-calendars-ios-16-1-new-ipads-more/>
iOS 16.1 has this: “A new clean energy charging feature will "optimize" charging times to when the grid is using cleaner energy sources."
How can that possibly work?
Apparently macOS Ventura, iOS 16.1 and iPadOS 16.1 will be released
followed probably by all sorts of new hardware in the next few weeks. I’ve been running Ventura beta for a while now so I sort of know what to expect!
On 24 Oct 2022, Alan B wrote
(in article<tj5jtc$1kr2h$1@alanrichardbarker.eternal-september.org>):
Apparently macOS Ventura, iOS 16.1 and iPadOS 16.1 will be released
followed probably by all sorts of new hardware in the next few weeks. I’ve >> been running Ventura beta for a while now so I sort of know what to expect!
First time in my Mac-using experience I’ve been unable to install a new version with my 2016 MBP.
Steve Hodgson <hamrun@gmail.com> wrote:
On 24 Oct 2022, Alan B wrote
(in article<tj5jtc$1kr2h$1@alanrichardbarker.eternal-september.org>):
Apparently macOS Ventura, iOS 16.1 and iPadOS 16.1 will be releasedFirst time in my Mac-using experience I’ve been unable to install a new
followed probably by all sorts of new hardware in the next few weeks. I’ve
been running Ventura beta for a while now so I sort of know what to expect! >>
version with my 2016 MBP.
My 2017 MBA has reached the end of the upgrade road sadly :(
<https://osxdaily.com/2022/06/22/macos-ventura-compatible-mac-list/>
iOS 16.1 has this: A new clean energy charging feature will "optimize"
charging times to when the grid is using cleaner energy sources."
How can that possibly work?
I'd be surprised if it does work in the UK, but it'd be quite straightforward
to determine when, say, wind, is providing a decent amoutn of energy and ramp
up the charging rate then.
It is U.S. only. I cant imagine it working anywhere.
Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
Steve Hodgson <hamrun@gmail.com> wrote:
On 24 Oct 2022, Alan B wrote
(in article<tj5jtc$1kr2h$1@alanrichardbarker.eternal-september.org>):
Apparently macOS Ventura, iOS 16.1 and iPadOS 16.1 will be released
followed probably by all sorts of new hardware in the next few weeks. I’ve
been running Ventura beta for a while now so I sort of know what to expect!
First time in my Mac-using experience I’ve been unable to install a new >>> version with my 2016 MBP.
My 2017 MBA has reached the end of the upgrade road sadly :(
<https://osxdaily.com/2022/06/22/macos-ventura-compatible-mac-list/>
I might have a look at what OCLP might offer soon but while Apple continues Monterey support it’s not one of my priorities. I think AndyH has had some success with it installing Monterey on a ageing Mac?
<https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/>
In article <PlmdnVCibaLqNsv-nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@supernews.com>, Bob
Campbell <nunya@none.none> wrote:
It is U.S. only. I can¹t imagine it working anywhere.
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213323>
When Clean Energy Charging is enabled and you connect your iPhone
to a charger, your iPhone gets a forecast of the carbon emissions in
your local energy grid and uses it to charge your iPhone during times
of cleaner energy production.
Clean Energy Charging is available only in the United States and is
on by default when you set up your iPhone or after you update to iOS
16.1. To turn off the feature, go to Settings > Battery > Battery
Health & Charging and turn off Clean Energy Charging.
RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
On 24 Oct 2022 at 15:40:00 BST, Bob Campbell wrote:
iOS 16.1 has this: “A new clean energy charging feature will "optimize" >>> charging times to when the grid is using cleaner energy sources."
How can that possibly work?
I'd be surprised if it does work in the UK, but it'd be quite straightforward
to determine when, say, wind, is providing a decent amoutn of energy and ramp
up the charging rate then.
It is U.S. only. I can’t imagine it working anywhere.
Fortunately it can be turned off, along with the current “optimized
charging”. When I plug it in, I want it charged as fast as possible. I
am not interested in waiting until Apple decides “now is a good time to >>> charge your phone”. 🙄
If you're in no rush (most of the time I'm not) I can't see what harm it does
- and it may do a lot of good.
I am always in a rush to charge things. That’s what “fast charging” is
all about.
Again, not interested in having someone else decide this.
On 24 Oct 2022 at 16:12:55 BST, Bob Campbell wrote:
RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
On 24 Oct 2022 at 15:40:00 BST, Bob Campbell wrote:
iOS 16.1 has this: “A new clean energy charging feature will "optimize" >>>> charging times to when the grid is using cleaner energy sources."
How can that possibly work?
I'd be surprised if it does work in the UK, but it'd be quite straightforward
to determine when, say, wind, is providing a decent amoutn of energy and ramp
up the charging rate then.
It is U.S. only. I can’t imagine it working anywhere.
The data's available - https://gridwatch.co.uk
Are you saying that it's simply too complex to port the data to UK users' phones?
On 25/10/2022 11:07, RJH wrote:
On 24 Oct 2022 at 16:12:55 BST, Bob Campbell wrote:
RJH <patch...@gmx.com> wrote:
On 24 Oct 2022 at 15:40:00 BST, Bob Campbell wrote:
iOS 16.1 has this: “A new clean energy charging feature will "optimize"
charging times to when the grid is using cleaner energy sources."
How can that possibly work?
I'd be surprised if it does work in the UK, but it'd be quite straightforward
to determine when, say, wind, is providing a decent amoutn of energy and ramp
up the charging rate then.
It is U.S. only. I can’t imagine it working anywhere.
The data's available - https://gridwatch.co.uk
Are you saying that it's simply too complex to port the data to UK users' phones?
That is for the whole country. IIRC it is possible to break it down to
local areas and suppliers but I have no idea how that is done. Certainly
you can buy so-called smart plugs that are supposed to be able to discriminate between energy sources and switch on and off depending on
the supply mix.
--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.
Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
Steve Hodgson <hamrun@gmail.com> wrote:
On 24 Oct 2022, Alan B wrote
(in article<tj5jtc$1kr2h$1@alanrichardbarker.eternal-september.org>):
Apparently macOS Ventura, iOS 16.1 and iPadOS 16.1 will be released
followed probably by all sorts of new hardware in the next few weeks. I’ve
been running Ventura beta for a while now so I sort of know what to expect!
First time in my Mac-using experience I’ve been unable to install a new >>> version with my 2016 MBP.
My 2017 MBA has reached the end of the upgrade road sadly :(
<https://osxdaily.com/2022/06/22/macos-ventura-compatible-mac-list/>
I might have a look at what OCLP might offer soon but while Apple continues Monterey support it’s not one of my priorities. I think AndyH has had some success with it installing Monterey on a ageing Mac?
<https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/>
Steve Hodgson <hamrun@gmail.com> wrote:
On 24 Oct 2022, Alan B wrote
(in article<tj5jtc$1kr2h$1@alanrichardbarker.eternal-september.org>):
Apparently macOS Ventura, iOS 16.1 and iPadOS 16.1 will be releasedFirst time in my Mac-using experience I've been unable to install a new
followed probably by all sorts of new hardware in the next few weeks. I've >>> been running Ventura beta for a while now so I sort of know what to expect! >>
version with my 2016 MBP.
My 2017 MBA has reached the end of the upgrade road sadly :(
<https://osxdaily.com/2022/06/22/macos-ventura-compatible-mac-list/>
On 25/10/2022 11:07, RJH wrote:
On 24 Oct 2022 at 16:12:55 BST, Bob Campbell wrote:
RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
On 24 Oct 2022 at 15:40:00 BST, Bob Campbell wrote:
iOS 16.1 has this: “A new clean energy charging feature will "optimize" >>>>> charging times to when the grid is using cleaner energy sources."
How can that possibly work?
I'd be surprised if it does work in the UK, but it'd be quite straightforward
to determine when, say, wind, is providing a decent amoutn of energy and ramp
up the charging rate then.
It is U.S. only. I can’t imagine it working anywhere.
The data's available - https://gridwatch.co.uk
Are you saying that it's simply too complex to port the data to UK users'
phones?
That is for the whole country. IIRC it is possible to break it down to
local areas and suppliers but I have no idea how that is done. Certainly
you can buy so-called smart plugs that are supposed to be able to discriminate between energy sources and switch on and off depending on
the supply mix.
On 25/10/2022 21:59, TimS wrote:
On 25 Oct 2022 at 12:57:23 BST, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 25/10/2022 11:07, RJH wrote:
On 24 Oct 2022 at 16:12:55 BST, Bob Campbell wrote:
RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
On 24 Oct 2022 at 15:40:00 BST, Bob Campbell wrote:
iOS 16.1 has this: “A new clean energy charging feature will "optimize"
charging times to when the grid is using cleaner energy sources." >>>>>>>
How can that possibly work?
I'd be surprised if it does work in the UK, but it'd be quite straightforward
to determine when, say, wind, is providing a decent amoutn of energy and ramp
up the charging rate then.
It is U.S. only. I can’t imagine it working anywhere.
The data's available - https://gridwatch.co.uk
gridwatch.org.uk
Are you saying that it's simply too complex to port the data to UK users' >>>> phones?
That is for the whole country. IIRC it is possible to break it down to
local areas and suppliers but I have no idea how that is done. Certainly >>> you can buy so-called smart plugs that are supposed to be able to
discriminate between energy sources and switch on and off depending on
the supply mix.
Tell the difference by looking for different types of electrons, do they?
This sounds like weapons-grade bollox.
Must admit that was my response when I read it.
On 25 Oct 2022 at 12:57:23 BST, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 25/10/2022 11:07, RJH wrote:
On 24 Oct 2022 at 16:12:55 BST, Bob Campbell wrote:
RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
On 24 Oct 2022 at 15:40:00 BST, Bob Campbell wrote:
iOS 16.1 has this: “A new clean energy charging feature will "optimize"
charging times to when the grid is using cleaner energy sources."
How can that possibly work?
I'd be surprised if it does work in the UK, but it'd be quite straightforward
to determine when, say, wind, is providing a decent amoutn of energy and ramp
up the charging rate then.
It is U.S. only. I can’t imagine it working anywhere.
The data's available - https://gridwatch.co.uk
gridwatch.org.uk
Are you saying that it's simply too complex to port the data to UK users' >>> phones?
That is for the whole country. IIRC it is possible to break it down to
local areas and suppliers but I have no idea how that is done. Certainly
you can buy so-called smart plugs that are supposed to be able to
discriminate between energy sources and switch on and off depending on
the supply mix.
Tell the difference by looking for different types of electrons, do they?
This sounds like weapons-grade bollox.
On 25 Oct 2022 at 12:57:23 BST, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 25/10/2022 11:07, RJH wrote:
On 24 Oct 2022 at 16:12:55 BST, Bob Campbell wrote:
RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
On 24 Oct 2022 at 15:40:00 BST, Bob Campbell wrote:
iOS 16.1 has this: "A new clean energy charging feature will "optimize" >>>>> charging times to when the grid is using cleaner energy sources."
How can that possibly work?
I'd be surprised if it does work in the UK, but it'd be quite
straightforward to determine when, say, wind, is providing a decent
amoutn of energy and ramp up the charging rate then.
It is U.S. only. I can't imagine it working anywhere.
The data's available - https://gridwatch.co.uk
gridwatch.org.uk
Are you saying that it's simply too complex to port the data to UK
users' phones?
That is for the whole country. IIRC it is possible to break it down to local areas and suppliers but I have no idea how that is done. Certainly you can buy so-called smart plugs that are supposed to be able to discriminate between energy sources and switch on and off depending on
the supply mix.
Tell the difference by looking for different types of electrons, do they?
This sounds like weapons-grade bollox.
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 25/10/2022 21:59, TimS wrote:
On 25 Oct 2022 at 12:57:23 BST, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 25/10/2022 11:07, RJH wrote:
On 24 Oct 2022 at 16:12:55 BST, Bob Campbell wrote:
RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
On 24 Oct 2022 at 15:40:00 BST, Bob Campbell wrote:
iOS 16.1 has this: “A new clean energy charging feature will "optimize"
charging times to when the grid is using cleaner energy sources." >>>>>>>>
How can that possibly work?
I'd be surprised if it does work in the UK, but it'd be quite straightforward
to determine when, say, wind, is providing a decent amoutn of energy and ramp
up the charging rate then.
It is U.S. only. I can’t imagine it working anywhere.
The data's available - https://gridwatch.co.uk
gridwatch.org.uk
Are you saying that it's simply too complex to port the data to UK users' >>>>> phones?
That is for the whole country. IIRC it is possible to break it down to >>>> local areas and suppliers but I have no idea how that is done. Certainly >>>> you can buy so-called smart plugs that are supposed to be able to
discriminate between energy sources and switch on and off depending on >>>> the supply mix.
Tell the difference by looking for different types of electrons, do they? >>>
This sounds like weapons-grade bollox.
Must admit that was my response when I read it.
An iPhone consumes so little power when charging up, is it really worth it? There are better ways of saving power and hence bills at the consumer end.
TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
On 25 Oct 2022 at 12:57:23 BST, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 25/10/2022 11:07, RJH wrote:
On 24 Oct 2022 at 16:12:55 BST, Bob Campbell wrote:
RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
On 24 Oct 2022 at 15:40:00 BST, Bob Campbell wrote:
iOS 16.1 has this: "A new clean energy charging feature will "optimize" >>>>>>> charging times to when the grid is using cleaner energy sources." >>>>>>>
How can that possibly work?
I'd be surprised if it does work in the UK, but it'd be quite
straightforward to determine when, say, wind, is providing a decent >>>>>> amoutn of energy and ramp up the charging rate then.
It is U.S. only. I can't imagine it working anywhere.
The data's available - https://gridwatch.co.uk
gridwatch.org.uk
Thanks both of you.
I had no idea that there was that much wind power installed already.
(with very little of the potential area used yet)
Solar is a bit disappointing.
There must be many square kilometers of unused roofs.
At todays prices the pay back is only a few years.
Also nice to see that you are feeding France,
with their non-functional 'nucleaire'.
Are you saying that it's simply too complex to port the data to UK
users' phones?
That is for the whole country. IIRC it is possible to break it down to
local areas and suppliers but I have no idea how that is done. Certainly >>> you can buy so-called smart plugs that are supposed to be able to
discriminate between energy sources and switch on and off depending on
the supply mix.
Tell the difference by looking for different types of electrons, do they?
This sounds like weapons-grade bollox.
Of course not. There are gigawatts flowing around in the national grid.
No one is an island.
Apparently macOS Ventura, iOS 16.1 and iPadOS 16.1 will be released
followed probably by all sorts of new hardware in the next few weeks. I’ve been running Ventura beta for a while now so I sort of know what to expect!
<https://www.macrumors.com/2022/10/23/mark-your-calendars-ios-16-1-new-ipads-more/>
On 26 Oct 2022 at 10:09:59 BST, J. J. Lodder <J. J. Lodder> wrote:
TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
On 25 Oct 2022 at 12:57:23 BST, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> : >>
On 25/10/2022 11:07, RJH wrote:
On 24 Oct 2022 at 16:12:55 BST, Bob Campbell wrote:
RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
On 24 Oct 2022 at 15:40:00 BST, Bob Campbell wrote:
iOS 16.1 has this: "A new clean energy charging feature will
"optimize" charging times to when the grid is using cleaner energy >>>>>>> sources."
How can that possibly work?
I'd be surprised if it does work in the UK, but it'd be quite
straightforward to determine when, say, wind, is providing a decent >>>>>> amoutn of energy and ramp up the charging rate then.
It is U.S. only. I can't imagine it working anywhere.
The data's available - https://gridwatch.co.uk
gridwatch.org.uk
Thanks both of you.
I had no idea that there was that much wind power installed already.
(with very little of the potential area used yet)
Solar is a bit disappointing.
At these latitudes, solar is a poor use of resources.
Especially in winter
when there are periods (lasting up to a week or more) with high pressure, causing wind output to be close to zero, and if it is overcast then solar is also zero. Such high pressure areas can cover most of Europe.
There must be many square kilometers of unused roofs.
At todays prices the pay back is only a few years.
Also nice to see that you are feeding France,
with their non-functional 'nucleaire'.
We should have had a big push for nuclear when North Sea gas was at its peak, knowing it would run out, and thereby having some future-proofing. Renewables are a poor investment as you end up paying twice for the same power output. See my comment above: when renewables produce nothing, you have to have backup.
Are you saying that it's simply too complex to port the data to UK
users' phones?
That is for the whole country. IIRC it is possible to break it down to >>> local areas and suppliers but I have no idea how that is done. Certainly >>> you can buy so-called smart plugs that are supposed to be able to
discriminate between energy sources and switch on and off depending on >>> the supply mix.
Tell the difference by looking for different types of electrons, do they? >>
This sounds like weapons-grade bollox.
Of course not. There are gigawatts flowing around in the national grid.
It's bollox: I was right the first time. And the purpose of the grid is load-balancing, not distribution.
No one is an island.
Actually we are. And all our interconnects are DC, not AC.
Small wind turbines just are not cost-effective.
There is nothing that can beat the efficiency of a big propellor.
The reason is simple: the tips are at a much higher speed
than the wind that drives them,
On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 09:30:23 -0000 (UTC), RJH wrote:
On 26 Oct 2022 at 08:53:30 BST, Alan B wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:Oh hadn't noticed that - is one source better thean the other?
On 25/10/2022 21:59, TimS wrote:
On 25 Oct 2022 at 12:57:23 BST, Graeme Wall
<rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 25/10/2022 11:07, RJH wrote:
On 24 Oct 2022 at 16:12:55 BST, Bob Campbell wrote:
RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
On 24 Oct 2022 at 15:40:00 BST, Bob Campbell wrote:
iOS 16.1 has this: "A new clean energy charging feature will >>>>>>>>> "optimize"I'd be surprised if it does work in the UK, but it'd be quite >>>>>>>> straightforward to determine when, say, wind, is providing a >>>>>>>> decent amoutn of energy and ramp up the charging rate then.
charging times to when the grid is using cleaner energy
sources."
How can that possibly work?
It is U.S. only. I can't imagine it working anywhere.
The data's available - https://gridwatch.co.uk
gridwatch.org.uk
Why is it necessary to break it down - it's a *national* grid!Are you saying that it's simply too complex to port the data to UK >>>>>> users'
phones?
That is for the whole country. IIRC it is possible to break it down >>>>> to local areas and suppliers but I have no idea how that is done.
Certainly you can buy so-called smart plugs that are supposed to be >>>>> able to discriminate between energy sources and switch on and off
depending on the supply mix.
Tell the difference by looking for different types of electrons, doMust admit that was my response when I read it.
they?
This sounds like weapons-grade bollox.
An iPhone consumes so little power when charging up, is it really worth
it?
There are better ways of saving power and hence bills at the consumer
end.
The point of the exercise is scaling. There's about a billion iphones in use today, plus other 'smart' ithings. So the argument rests on a lot of small things adds up to a lot.
I realise, having had this discussion many times elsewhere, that many people don't see it, but I do so mention it here :-)
Yes I can appreciate that but I was trying to make the point (not very
well), there's a lot more that can be done on a smaller scale to offset
the drain on electricity grid systems, e.g. Solar panels, small wind
turbines systems etc.
Incidentally wind turbines don't have to use giant
propellors - they could be horizontal screw like devices mounted on top of office blocks, barns, even large houses etc. with much less visible
impact.
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
[snip]
Small wind turbines just are not cost-effective.
Let's hope the technology improves. Also we mustn't forget tidal turbines.
There is nothing that can beat the efficiency of a big propellor.
The reason is simple: the tips are at a much higher speed
than the wind that drives them,
Too long and the tips will break the sound barrier!
The reason is simple: the tips are at a much higher speed
than the wind that drives them,
Something that pays for itself in five years cannot be
'a poor use of resources'.
Possible, on certain planes and helicopters.
(that is, high transsonic) It makes a lot of noise.
Wind turbines don't come near,
(TSR ~ 5 is typical)
You really don't know what you are talking about.
Not even Britain is that backward.
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
[snip]
Small wind turbines just are not cost-effective.
Let’s hope the technology improves. Also we mustn’t forget tidal turbines.
[snip]
There is nothing that can beat the efficiency of a big propellor.
The reason is simple: the tips are at a much higher speed
than the wind that drives them,
Too long and the tips will break the sound barrier!
At these latitudes, solar is a poor use of resources.
TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
On 25 Oct 2022 at 12:57:23 BST, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 25/10/2022 11:07, RJH wrote:
On 24 Oct 2022 at 16:12:55 BST, Bob Campbell wrote:
RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
On 24 Oct 2022 at 15:40:00 BST, Bob Campbell wrote:
iOS 16.1 has this: "A new clean energy charging feature will "optimize" >>>>>>> charging times to when the grid is using cleaner energy sources." >>>>>>>
How can that possibly work?
I'd be surprised if it does work in the UK, but it'd be quite
straightforward to determine when, say, wind, is providing a decent >>>>>> amoutn of energy and ramp up the charging rate then.
It is U.S. only. I can't imagine it working anywhere.
The data's available - https://gridwatch.co.uk
gridwatch.org.uk
Thanks both of you.
I had no idea that there was that much wind power installed already.
(with very little of the potential area used yet)
Solar is a bit disappointing.
There must be many square kilometers of unused roofs.
At todays prices the pay back is only a few years.
Also nice to see that you are feeding France,
with their non-functional 'nucleaire'.
BTW, what has happened to those Salter Ducks, for wave energy?
Also forgotten, because not practical?
TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
On 26 Oct 2022 at 10:09:59 BST, J. J. Lodder <J. J. Lodder> wrote:
There must be many square kilometers of unused roofs.
At todays prices the pay back is only a few years.
Also nice to see that you are feeding France,
with their non-functional 'nucleaire'.
We should have had a big push for nuclear when North Sea gas was at its peak,
knowing it would run out, and thereby having some future-proofing. Renewables
are a poor investment as you end up paying twice for the same power output. >> See my comment above: when renewables produce nothing, you have to have
backup.
Nuclear is completely unsuitable for a backup,
because it cannot be regulated.
It must be on at near full power all the time.
But you are stuck with it,
because you allowed EDF to swindle you into rescuing them,
with some help from the Chinese.
You are stuck with lots of far too expensive power generation.
TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
On 26 Oct 2022 at 10:09:59 BST, J. J. Lodder <J. J. Lodder> wrote:
TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
On 25 Oct 2022 at 12:57:23 BST, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> : >>>>
On 25/10/2022 11:07, RJH wrote:
On 24 Oct 2022 at 16:12:55 BST, Bob Campbell wrote:
RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
On 24 Oct 2022 at 15:40:00 BST, Bob Campbell wrote:
iOS 16.1 has this: "A new clean energy charging feature will >>>>>>>>> "optimize" charging times to when the grid is using cleaner energy >>>>>>>>> sources."
How can that possibly work?
I'd be surprised if it does work in the UK, but it'd be quite
straightforward to determine when, say, wind, is providing a decent >>>>>>>> amoutn of energy and ramp up the charging rate then.
It is U.S. only. I can't imagine it working anywhere.
The data's available - https://gridwatch.co.uk
gridwatch.org.uk
Thanks both of you.
I had no idea that there was that much wind power installed already.
(with very little of the potential area used yet)
Solar is a bit disappointing.
At these latitudes, solar is a poor use of resources.
Something that pays for itself in five years cannot be
'a poor use of resources'.
Especially in winter
when there are periods (lasting up to a week or more) with high pressure,
causing wind output to be close to zero, and if it is overcast then solar is >> also zero. Such high pressure areas can cover most of Europe.
For the forseeable future there is not shortage of gas
for backup purposes.
No doubt there will be storage solutions for the longer term.
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
[snip]
Small wind turbines just are not cost-effective.
Let’s hope the technology improves. Also we mustn’t forget tidal turbines.
On 26/10/2022 17:16, Chris wrote:
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
On 25 Oct 2022 at 12:57:23 BST, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 25/10/2022 11:07, RJH wrote:
On 24 Oct 2022 at 16:12:55 BST, Bob Campbell wrote:
RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
On 24 Oct 2022 at 15:40:00 BST, Bob Campbell wrote:
iOS 16.1 has this: "A new clean energy charging feature will "optimize"
charging times to when the grid is using cleaner energy sources." >>>>>>>>>
How can that possibly work?
I'd be surprised if it does work in the UK, but it'd be quite
straightforward to determine when, say, wind, is providing a decent >>>>>>>> amoutn of energy and ramp up the charging rate then.
It is U.S. only. I can't imagine it working anywhere.
The data's available - https://gridwatch.co.uk
gridwatch.org.uk
Thanks both of you.
I had no idea that there was that much wind power installed already.
(with very little of the potential area used yet)
Solar is a bit disappointing.
There must be many square kilometers of unused roofs.
At todays prices the pay back is only a few years.
Also nice to see that you are feeding France,
with their non-functional 'nucleaire'.
I suspect the -ve values actually mean imports. We typically buy
electricity from France
We also export electricity to France at appropriate times. It's the
strongest practical argument for not synchronising clocks with Europe,
that one hour difference in peaks is very useful.
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
On 25 Oct 2022 at 12:57:23 BST, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 25/10/2022 11:07, RJH wrote:
On 24 Oct 2022 at 16:12:55 BST, Bob Campbell wrote:
RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
On 24 Oct 2022 at 15:40:00 BST, Bob Campbell wrote:
iOS 16.1 has this: "A new clean energy charging feature will "optimize"
charging times to when the grid is using cleaner energy sources." >>>>>>>>
How can that possibly work?
I'd be surprised if it does work in the UK, but it'd be quite
straightforward to determine when, say, wind, is providing a decent >>>>>>> amoutn of energy and ramp up the charging rate then.
It is U.S. only. I can't imagine it working anywhere.
The data's available - https://gridwatch.co.uk
gridwatch.org.uk
Thanks both of you.
I had no idea that there was that much wind power installed already.
(with very little of the potential area used yet)
Solar is a bit disappointing.
There must be many square kilometers of unused roofs.
At todays prices the pay back is only a few years.
Also nice to see that you are feeding France,
with their non-functional 'nucleaire'.
I suspect the -ve values actually mean imports. We typically buy
electricity from France
On 2022-10-24, Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
Apparently macOS Ventura, iOS 16.1 and iPadOS 16.1 will be released
followed probably by all sorts of new hardware in the next few weeks. I’ve >> been running Ventura beta for a while now so I sort of know what to expect! >>
<https://www.macrumors.com/2022/10/23/mark-your-calendars-ios-16-1-new-ipads-more/>
And so the post upgrade updates begin - Pages, Numbers and Keynote as starters this morning on my Ventura system.
On 26 Oct 2022 at 15:24:13 BST, Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
[snip]
Small wind turbines just are not cost-effective.
Let's hope the technology improves. Also we mustn't forget tidal turbines.
Another foolish idea: tidal produces zero energy four times a day.
Another scheme that requires backup.
Am 26.10.22 um 16:17 schrieb J. J. Lodder:
The reason is simple: the tips are at a much higher speed
than the wind that drives them,
That is not the reason for the efficiency of larger rotors. It is the
higher rotor area and the cost degression of longer blades. The high
speed tips are in fact reducing the efficiency.
For the forseeable future there is no shortage of gas
for backup purposes.
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
On 26 Oct 2022 at 10:09:59 BST, J. J. Lodder <J. J. Lodder> wrote:
There must be many square kilometers of unused roofs.
At todays prices the pay back is only a few years.
Also nice to see that you are feeding France,
with their non-functional 'nucleaire'.
We should have had a big push for nuclear when North Sea gas was at its
peak, knowing it would run out, and thereby having some
future-proofing. Renewables are a poor investment as you end up paying
twice for the same power output. See my comment above: when renewables
produce nothing, you have to have backup.
Nuclear is completely unsuitable for a backup,
because it cannot be regulated.
It must be on at near full power all the time.
But you are stuck with it,
because you allowed EDF to swindle you into rescuing them,
with some help from the Chinese.
You are stuck with lots of far too expensive power generation.
It's the best low carbon electricity source for baseline generation. Like
you say it's best running at full power which is exactly what baseline
needs.
On 26/10/2022 17:16, Chris wrote:
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
On 25 Oct 2022 at 12:57:23 BST, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk>: >>>
On 25/10/2022 11:07, RJH wrote:
On 24 Oct 2022 at 16:12:55 BST, Bob Campbell wrote:
RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
On 24 Oct 2022 at 15:40:00 BST, Bob Campbell wrote:
iOS 16.1 has this: "A new clean energy charging feature will >>>>>>>> "optimize" charging times to when the grid is using cleaner
energy sources."
How can that possibly work?
I'd be surprised if it does work in the UK, but it'd be quite
straightforward to determine when, say, wind, is providing a decent >>>>>>> amoutn of energy and ramp up the charging rate then.
It is U.S. only. I can't imagine it working anywhere.
The data's available - https://gridwatch.co.uk
gridwatch.org.uk
Thanks both of you.
I had no idea that there was that much wind power installed already.
(with very little of the potential area used yet)
Solar is a bit disappointing.
There must be many square kilometers of unused roofs.
At todays prices the pay back is only a few years.
Also nice to see that you are feeding France,
with their non-functional 'nucleaire'.
I suspect the -ve values actually mean imports. We typically buy electricity from France
We also export electricity to France at appropriate times. It's the
strongest practical argument for not synchronising clocks with Europe,
that one hour difference in peaks is very useful.
J. J. Lodder wrote:
[snip]
For the forseeable future there is no shortage of gas
for backup purposes.
The current political situation with Russia shows how untrue that is.
Further, burning a fuel such as gas (or coal, oil, biomass) to generate
heat which is then used to generate electricity is remarkably
inefficient. For coal it is about 37%.
Where possible (as for gas and oil) it would be far better to burn the
fuel where the heat is required - in people's homes. Modern condensing
gas boilers can be over 90% efficient.
Sadly, because of the need to reduce our reliance on fossil fuels, new
gas fired installations will be prohibited from 2025. This seems
awfully short-sighted, since it means an increased reliance on
electricity (albeit with the slightly improved efficiency that will come
from using it to run a heat pump); and it ignores the fact that we could generate significantly more natural gas without relying on fossil sources.
There is already a system for producing methane: it is called a sewage treatment plant.
There is also an enormous amount of biological material which could be
added to sewage to increase the amount of methane generated. For example:
• wood waste from building and industry;
• domestic kitchen and garden waste;
• material from agriculture such as animal manure, straw and the like
from grain crops, culled animals, abattoir waste;
• industrial food processing waste;
• as well as human cadavers (which might otherwise be incinerated at a
cost of about 240kg of CO2 each).
In addition, larger wood waste such as pallets or felled trees could be processed by pyrolysis to generate methane directly.
Am 26.10.22 um 16:42 schrieb J. J. Lodder:
Possible, on certain planes and helicopters.
(that is, high transsonic) It makes a lot of noise.
Wind turbines don't come near,
(TSR ~ 5 is typical)
The main difference being that you do not hear helicopter blades 24/7.
On 26 Oct 2022 at 15:24:13 BST, Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
[snip]
Small wind turbines just are not cost-effective.
Let’s hope the technology improves. Also we mustn’t forget tidal turbines.
Another foolish idea: tidal produces zero energy four times a day. Another scheme that requires backup.
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
Am 26.10.22 um 16:17 schrieb J. J. Lodder:
The reason is simple: the tips are at a much higher speed
than the wind that drives them,
That is not the reason for the efficiency of larger rotors. It is the
higher rotor area and the cost degression of longer blades. The high
speed tips are in fact reducing the efficiency.
Another classic mistake.
The power generated does NOT scale with the blade area.
Small wind turbines just are not cost-effective.
On 26 Oct 2022 at 18:32:37 BST, TimS wrote:
On 26 Oct 2022 at 15:24:13 BST, Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> >> wrote:
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
[snip]
Small wind turbines just are not cost-effective.
Let’s hope the technology improves. Also we mustn’t forget tidal turbines.
Another foolish idea: tidal produces zero energy four times a day. Another >> scheme that requires backup.
Not really. And any surplus not capable of storage can be mopped up with . . .
smart charging of iPhones :-)
RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
On 26 Oct 2022 at 18:32:37 BST, TimS wrote:
On 26 Oct 2022 at 15:24:13 BST, Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid>
wrote:
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
[snip]
Small wind turbines just are not cost-effective.
Let’s hope the technology improves. Also we mustn’t forget tidal turbines.
Another foolish idea: tidal produces zero energy four times a day. Another >>> scheme that requires backup.
Not really. And any surplus not capable of storage can be mopped up with . . .
smart charging of iPhones :-)
High and Low tide times vary considerably around the UK coast. With careful station placement surely some tidal power would be generated 24/7. Not
enough to meet our overall needs but every little helps.
The suggestion was the Severn. There's no equivalent sized other site with the
correct phase difference, elsewhere, to match its output. Even then, if there were, you'd need to turn the grid away from a load balancing and into a distribution network. It'd need to be a lot larger to cope.
And every little does not help. It distracts from what we should be doing, which is building reliable nukes for our caseload. Baseload which will get a lot larger if we start having large numbers of electric cars.
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 26/10/2022 17:16, Chris wrote:
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
On 25 Oct 2022 at 12:57:23 BST, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk>: >>>>>
On 25/10/2022 11:07, RJH wrote:
On 24 Oct 2022 at 16:12:55 BST, Bob Campbell wrote:
RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
On 24 Oct 2022 at 15:40:00 BST, Bob Campbell wrote:
iOS 16.1 has this: "A new clean energy charging feature will >>>>>>>>>> "optimize" charging times to when the grid is using cleaner >>>>>>>>>> energy sources."
How can that possibly work?
I'd be surprised if it does work in the UK, but it'd be quite >>>>>>>>> straightforward to determine when, say, wind, is providing a decent >>>>>>>>> amoutn of energy and ramp up the charging rate then.
It is U.S. only. I can't imagine it working anywhere.
The data's available - https://gridwatch.co.uk
gridwatch.org.uk
Thanks both of you.
I had no idea that there was that much wind power installed already.
(with very little of the potential area used yet)
Solar is a bit disappointing.
There must be many square kilometers of unused roofs.
At todays prices the pay back is only a few years.
Also nice to see that you are feeding France,
with their non-functional 'nucleaire'.
I suspect the -ve values actually mean imports. We typically buy
electricity from France
We also export electricity to France at appropriate times. It's the
strongest practical argument for not synchronising clocks with Europe,
that one hour difference in peaks is very useful.
AFAIK abolishing Greenwich time has never been seriously considered.
(exept as DST)
As a matter of historical interest, the opposite has happened.
Before WWII France had Greenwich time. The Germans changed it,
and after the war France didn't change back.
Jan
On 27 Oct 2022 at 07:55:24 BST, Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
On 26 Oct 2022 at 18:32:37 BST, TimS wrote:
On 26 Oct 2022 at 15:24:13 BST, Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid>
wrote:
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
[snip]
Small wind turbines just are not cost-effective.
Let’s hope the technology improves. Also we mustn’t forget tidal turbines.
Another foolish idea: tidal produces zero energy four times a day. Another >>>> scheme that requires backup.
Not really. And any surplus not capable of storage can be mopped up with . . .
smart charging of iPhones :-)
High and Low tide times vary considerably around the UK coast. With careful >> station placement surely some tidal power would be generated 24/7. Not
enough to meet our overall needs but every little helps.
The suggestion was the Severn. There's no equivalent sized other site with the
correct phase difference, elsewhere, to match its output. Even then, if there were, you'd need to turn the grid away from a load balancing and into a distribution network. It'd need to be a lot larger to cope.
And every little does not help.
which is building reliable nukes for our caseload. Baseload which will get a lot larger if we start having large numbers of electric cars.
The noise problem is much exaggerated.
Just don't build in 'silent' areas within 1 km of habitation.
That leaves more than enough opportunity,
On 27 Oct 2022 at 09:09:01 BST, Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
If it produces reliable, efficient power then why not? Turbine systems
don’t necessarily need huge barriers to be built.
Intermittent power is hardly reliable. Tidal is just reliably unreliable.
Yes but does the long term safe storage of the deadly waste products not concern you?
TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
On 27 Oct 2022 at 07:55:24 BST, Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> >> wrote:
RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
On 26 Oct 2022 at 18:32:37 BST, TimS wrote:
On 26 Oct 2022 at 15:24:13 BST, Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid>
wrote:
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
[snip]
Small wind turbines just are not cost-effective.
Let’s hope the technology improves. Also we mustn’t forget tidal turbines.
Another foolish idea: tidal produces zero energy four times a day. Another
scheme that requires backup.
Not really. And any surplus not capable of storage can be mopped up with . . .
smart charging of iPhones :-)
High and Low tide times vary considerably around the UK coast. With careful >>> station placement surely some tidal power would be generated 24/7. Not
enough to meet our overall needs but every little helps.
The suggestion was the Severn. There's no equivalent sized other site with the
correct phase difference, elsewhere, to match its output. Even then, if there
were, you'd need to turn the grid away from a load balancing and into a
distribution network. It'd need to be a lot larger to cope.
And every little does not help.
If it produces reliable, efficient power then why not? Turbine systems don’t necessarily need huge barriers to be built.
which is building reliable nukes for our caseload. Baseload which will get a >> lot larger if we start having large numbers of electric cars.
Yes but does the long term safe storage of the deadly waste products not concern you?
Further, burning a fuel such as gas (or coal, oil, biomass) to generate
heat which is then used to generate electricity is remarkably
inefficient. For coal it is about 37%.
It should be used in co-generation if at all possible.
Where possible (as for gas and oil) it would be far better to burn the
fuel where the heat is required - in people's homes. Modern condensing
gas boilers can be over 90% efficient.
Over 100 %, actually.
But burning gas for just heating is a very bad idea too.
There is already a system for producing methane: it is called a sewage
treatment plant.
There is also an enormous amount of biological material which could be
added to sewage to increase the amount of methane generated. For example: >>
• wood waste from building and industry;
• domestic kitchen and garden waste;
• material from agriculture such as animal manure, straw and the like
from grain crops, culled animals, abattoir waste;
• industrial food processing waste;
• as well as human cadavers (which might otherwise be incinerated at a
cost of about 240kg of CO2 each).
All quite limited resources.
Alan B wrote:
[snip]
Yes but does the long term safe storage of the deadly waste products not
concern you?
No, he will be dead long before it becomes a problem.
Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:
Alan B wrote:
[snip]
Yes but does the long term safe storage of the deadly waste products not >>> concern you?
No, he will be dead long before it becomes a problem.
Assuming we can produce lots of electricity by various green means, there needs to be a way of storing surplus power for future use when it’s dark, wind speeds are low etc. Huge battery banks could be used but some have suggested producing hydrogen gas by electrolysis which can then be burned
in a gas fired power station. But storing hydrogen in its pure form is not easy, although there are alternative schemes such as metal hydrides as proposed here:
<https://www.gknhydrogen.com/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIwdr-7Y6A-wIVRtDtCh1wbQ0TEAAYASAAEgJlgfD_BwE>
Apparently macOS Ventura, iOS 16.1 and iPadOS 16.1 will be released
followed probably by all sorts of new hardware in the next few weeks. I’ve been running Ventura beta for a while now so I sort of know what to expect!
On 24/10/2022 09:55, Alan B wrote:
Apparently macOS Ventura, iOS 16.1 and iPadOS 16.1 will be released
followed probably by all sorts of new hardware in the next few weeks. I’ve >> been running Ventura beta for a while now so I sort of know what to expect!
Well, the bug where a USB connected Time Machine backup would beachball
the desktop while the disk was checked on log in has been fixed. Still
takes an age to mount the disk but it happens in the background.
But one slightly annoying change to AppleScript. With the below fragment
set f to choose folder with prompt ¬
"Choose a USB stick or SD card" default location ("/Volumes")
set n to name of f
set fm to the format of f
fm used to report MSDOS or ExFAT but now returns nothing. Not quite sure whether this is a Ventura change or a "reset" of the script and I need
to get the definitions of MSDOS ExFAT imported from the Script Editor dictionary as they might not be in the Finder's dictionary.
And scripting was supposed to be easy and simple... :-)
J. J. Lodder wrote:
[snip]
Further, burning a fuel such as gas (or coal, oil, biomass) to generate
heat which is then used to generate electricity is remarkably
inefficient. For coal it is about 37%.
It should be used in co-generation if at all possible.
Yes, given that the heat is a waste product from generating electricity,
and that theat could be used effectively in larger buildings such as hospitals, offices, or factories.
My point was also that using electricity to generate heat when that electricity has been generated so inefficiently is stupid, if not
actually immoral.
On 26/10/2022 21:50, J. J. Lodder wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 26/10/2022 17:16, Chris wrote:
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
On 25 Oct 2022 at 12:57:23 BST, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk>:
On 25/10/2022 11:07, RJH wrote:
On 24 Oct 2022 at 16:12:55 BST, Bob Campbell wrote:
RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
On 24 Oct 2022 at 15:40:00 BST, Bob Campbell wrote:
iOS 16.1 has this: "A new clean energy charging feature will >>>>>>>>>> "optimize" charging times to when the grid is using cleaner >>>>>>>>>> energy sources."
How can that possibly work?
I'd be surprised if it does work in the UK, but it'd be quite >>>>>>>>> straightforward to determine when, say, wind, is providing a decent >>>>>>>>> amoutn of energy and ramp up the charging rate then.
It is U.S. only. I can't imagine it working anywhere.
The data's available - https://gridwatch.co.uk
gridwatch.org.uk
Thanks both of you.
I had no idea that there was that much wind power installed already. >>>> (with very little of the potential area used yet)
Solar is a bit disappointing.
There must be many square kilometers of unused roofs.
At todays prices the pay back is only a few years.
Also nice to see that you are feeding France,
with their non-functional 'nucleaire'.
I suspect the -ve values actually mean imports. We typically buy
electricity from France
We also export electricity to France at appropriate times. It's the
strongest practical argument for not synchronising clocks with Europe,
that one hour difference in peaks is very useful.
AFAIK abolishing Greenwich time has never been seriously considered.
(exept as DST)
It has been suggested often, masked as remaining on BST all year round
rather than put the clocks back in winter. Winter, of course, being the
time when the hour's difference between us and France is most useful.
As a matter of historical interest, the opposite has happened.
Before WWII France had Greenwich time. The Germans changed it,
and after the war France didn't change back.
Jan
On 27 Oct 2022 at 10:04:22 BST, Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:
J. J. Lodder wrote:
[snip]
Further, burning a fuel such as gas (or coal, oil, biomass) to generate >>> heat which is then used to generate electricity is remarkably
inefficient. For coal it is about 37%.
It should be used in co-generation if at all possible.
Yes, given that the heat is a waste product from generating electricity, and that theat could be used effectively in larger buildings such as hospitals, offices, or factories.
None of which tend to be built near power stations.
My point was also that using electricity to generate heat when that electricity has been generated so inefficiently is stupid, if not
actually immoral.
French do it all the time. Perhaps they have realised that fuel for nuclear power stations is dirt cheap.
Am 26.10.22 um 16:17 schrieb J. J. Lodder:
Something that pays for itself in five years cannot be
'a poor use of resources'.
It is. Including the grey energy solar is the worst form of electricity production. It cannot be planned, it is economic nonsense.
But one slightly annoying change to AppleScript. With the below fragment
set f to choose folder with prompt ¬
"Choose a USB stick or SD card" default location ("/Volumes")
set n to name of f
set fm to the format of f
fm used to report MSDOS or ExFAT but now returns nothing. Not quite sure whether this is a Ventura change or a "reset" of the script and I need
to get the definitions of MSDOS ExFAT imported from the Script Editor dictionary as they might not be in the Finder's dictionary.
On 2022-10-27, Bruce Horrocks <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:
But one slightly annoying change to AppleScript. With the below fragment
set f to choose folder with prompt ¬
"Choose a USB stick or SD card" default location ("/Volumes")
set n to name of f
set fm to the format of f
fm used to report MSDOS or ExFAT but now returns nothing. Not quite sure
whether this is a Ventura change or a "reset" of the script and I need
to get the definitions of MSDOS ExFAT imported from the Script Editor
dictionary as they might not be in the Finder's dictionary.
Ok I'm no AS guru but I tried the AS command line below with a USB stick formatted variously:
tell application "System Events" to get the format of disk "/Volumes/<whatever>"
But each time the Result was "NFS format"
Maybe the true format can be found by calling a suitable shell script?
BTW I haven't checked Disk Utility's scriptability.
On 29/10/2022 18:30, Alan B wrote:
On 2022-10-27, Bruce Horrocks <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:
But one slightly annoying change to AppleScript. With the below fragment >>>
set f to choose folder with prompt ¬
"Choose a USB stick or SD card" default location ("/Volumes")
set n to name of f
set fm to the format of f
fm used to report MSDOS or ExFAT but now returns nothing. Not quite sure >>> whether this is a Ventura change or a "reset" of the script and I need
to get the definitions of MSDOS ExFAT imported from the Script Editor
dictionary as they might not be in the Finder's dictionary.
Ok I'm no AS guru but I tried the AS command line below with a USB stick
formatted variously:
tell application "System Events" to get the format of disk "/Volumes/<whatever>"
But each time the Result was "NFS format"
Maybe the true format can be found by calling a suitable shell script?
BTW I haven't checked Disk Utility's scriptability.
Sounds like AppleScript (System Events?) has a regression in Ventura, or
the way Ventura is presenting disks has changed. I get "NFS" for
everything too.
Try "mount | grep '/Volumes/<whatever>'". This will give you one line of output like this:
/dev/disk5s1 on /Volumes/Foo (apfs, local, nodev, nosuid, journaled)
Watch out in the grep if you've got disk names that are prefixes of
other disk names. eg "Data" and "Data - Music".
Or "diskutil '/Volumes/<whatever>'". This command will output something
like this:
On 2022-10-30, Chris Ridd <chrisridd@mac.com> wrote:
Or "diskutil '/Volumes/<whatever>'". This command will output something
like this:
You meant diskutil list '/Volumes/<whatever>' of course ;)
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'man diskutil' makes a very good read indeed.
On 24/10/2022 21:27, Alan B wrote:
Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
Steve Hodgson <hamrun@gmail.com> wrote:
On 24 Oct 2022, Alan B wrote
(in article<tj5jtc$1kr2h$1@alanrichardbarker.eternal-september.org>):
Apparently macOS Ventura, iOS 16.1 and iPadOS 16.1 will be released
followed probably by all sorts of new hardware in the next few weeks. I’ve
been running Ventura beta for a while now so I sort of know what to expect!
First time in my Mac-using experience I’ve been unable to install a new >>>> version with my 2016 MBP.
My 2017 MBA has reached the end of the upgrade road sadly :(
<https://osxdaily.com/2022/06/22/macos-ventura-compatible-mac-list/>
I might have a look at what OCLP might offer soon but while Apple continues >> Monterey support it’s not one of my priorities. I think AndyH has had some
success with it installing Monterey on a ageing Mac?
<https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/>
Indeed I am. Seems pretty successful here on my old iMac, which is
running macOS 12.6.
FYI, it's a Late 2013 iMac 27" with Nividia GPU (Kepler), it seems the
Kepler is a bit of a stumbling block, but I usually only have a wait a
bit longer for OCLP to get an update for it.
As far as I can see, there have been no untoward issues, it's as stable
as it's ever been. Even things like Universal Control have worked fine.
For anyone with an older machine, and can afford for this to not work
out too well, it's certainly worth having a go.
Not too sure if I'll risk MacOS 13 yet, but it would be handy to make
use of the Shared Photos Library across all devices.
Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:
On 24/10/2022 21:27, Alan B wrote:
Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
Steve Hodgson <hamrun@gmail.com> wrote:
On 24 Oct 2022, Alan B wrote
(in article<tj5jtc$1kr2h$1@alanrichardbarker.eternal-september.org>): >>>>>
Apparently macOS Ventura, iOS 16.1 and iPadOS 16.1 will be released >>>>>> followed probably by all sorts of new hardware in the next few weeks. I’ve
been running Ventura beta for a while now so I sort of know what to expect!
First time in my Mac-using experience I’ve been unable to install a new >>>>> version with my 2016 MBP.
My 2017 MBA has reached the end of the upgrade road sadly :(
<https://osxdaily.com/2022/06/22/macos-ventura-compatible-mac-list/>
I might have a look at what OCLP might offer soon but while Apple continues >>> Monterey support it’s not one of my priorities. I think AndyH has had some
success with it installing Monterey on a ageing Mac?
<https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/>
Indeed I am. Seems pretty successful here on my old iMac, which is
running macOS 12.6.
FYI, it's a Late 2013 iMac 27" with Nividia GPU (Kepler), it seems the
Kepler is a bit of a stumbling block, but I usually only have a wait a
bit longer for OCLP to get an update for it.
As far as I can see, there have been no untoward issues, it's as stable
as it's ever been. Even things like Universal Control have worked fine.
For anyone with an older machine, and can afford for this to not work
out too well, it's certainly worth having a go.
Not too sure if I'll risk MacOS 13 yet, but it would be handy to make
use of the Shared Photos Library across all devices.
Well I took the plunge and used OCLP to install Ventura on my 2017 MBA.
After a false start due mainly to my not RTFMing the instructions fully, it seems to be running quite well so far. Time will tell and I can always
revert to Monterey!
Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:
On 24/10/2022 21:27, Alan B wrote:
Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
Steve Hodgson <hamrun@gmail.com> wrote:
On 24 Oct 2022, Alan B wrote
(in article<tj5jtc$1kr2h$1@alanrichardbarker.eternal-september.org>): >>>>>>
Apparently macOS Ventura, iOS 16.1 and iPadOS 16.1 will be released >>>>>>> followed probably by all sorts of new hardware in the next few weeks. I’ve
been running Ventura beta for a while now so I sort of know what to expect!
First time in my Mac-using experience I’ve been unable to install a new
version with my 2016 MBP.
My 2017 MBA has reached the end of the upgrade road sadly :(
<https://osxdaily.com/2022/06/22/macos-ventura-compatible-mac-list/>
I might have a look at what OCLP might offer soon but while Apple continues
Monterey support it’s not one of my priorities. I think AndyH has had some
success with it installing Monterey on a ageing Mac?
<https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/>
Indeed I am. Seems pretty successful here on my old iMac, which is
running macOS 12.6.
FYI, it's a Late 2013 iMac 27" with Nividia GPU (Kepler), it seems the
Kepler is a bit of a stumbling block, but I usually only have a wait a
bit longer for OCLP to get an update for it.
As far as I can see, there have been no untoward issues, it's as stable
as it's ever been. Even things like Universal Control have worked fine.
For anyone with an older machine, and can afford for this to not work
out too well, it's certainly worth having a go.
Not too sure if I'll risk MacOS 13 yet, but it would be handy to make
use of the Shared Photos Library across all devices.
Well I took the plunge and used OCLP to install Ventura on my 2017 MBA.
After a false start due mainly to my not RTFMing the instructions fully, it >> seems to be running quite well so far. Time will tell and I can always
revert to Monterey!
One of my concerns is that the process messes with SIP.
<https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/POST-INSTALL.html#booting-without-usb-drive>
Yes, I noticed that too. Not sure how concerned I should be, and I don’t know how whether I got no SIP or partial SIP. I do have belt and braces security applied here (combo of using CloudFlare DNS in my router, Objective-See stuff, and a light Norton 360 installation).
Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:
On 24/10/2022 21:27, Alan B wrote:
Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
Steve Hodgson <hamrun@gmail.com> wrote:I might have a look at what OCLP might offer soon but while Apple continues
On 24 Oct 2022, Alan B wrote
(in article<tj5jtc$1kr2h$1@alanrichardbarker.eternal-september.org>): >>>>>>>
Apparently macOS Ventura, iOS 16.1 and iPadOS 16.1 will be released >>>>>>>> followed probably by all sorts of new hardware in the next few weeks. I’ve
been running Ventura beta for a while now so I sort of know what to expect!
First time in my Mac-using experience I’ve been unable to install a new
version with my 2016 MBP.
My 2017 MBA has reached the end of the upgrade road sadly :(
<https://osxdaily.com/2022/06/22/macos-ventura-compatible-mac-list/> >>>>>
Monterey support it’s not one of my priorities. I think AndyH has had some
success with it installing Monterey on a ageing Mac?
<https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/>
Indeed I am. Seems pretty successful here on my old iMac, which is
running macOS 12.6.
FYI, it's a Late 2013 iMac 27" with Nividia GPU (Kepler), it seems the >>>> Kepler is a bit of a stumbling block, but I usually only have a wait a >>>> bit longer for OCLP to get an update for it.
As far as I can see, there have been no untoward issues, it's as stable >>>> as it's ever been. Even things like Universal Control have worked fine. >>>>
For anyone with an older machine, and can afford for this to not work
out too well, it's certainly worth having a go.
Not too sure if I'll risk MacOS 13 yet, but it would be handy to make
use of the Shared Photos Library across all devices.
Well I took the plunge and used OCLP to install Ventura on my 2017 MBA.
After a false start due mainly to my not RTFMing the instructions fully, it >>> seems to be running quite well so far. Time will tell and I can always
revert to Monterey!
I just got Ventura running on my 2013 iMac too, I just used the standard Apple Upgrade method, then ran the OCLP updater, and all seems OK here so far.
One of my concerns is that the process messes with SIP.
<https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/POST-INSTALL.html#booting-without-usb-drive>
Yes, I noticed that too. Not sure how concerned I should be, and I don’t know how whether I got no SIP or partial SIP. I do have belt and braces security applied here (combo of using CloudFlare DNS in my router, Objective-See stuff, and a light Norton 360 installation).
I also don’t use my iMac much anyway these days, and it spends a fair bit of time just switched off altogether.
I suppose I had to weigh up the usefulness of having my iMac integrated properly into my iCloud ecosystem, and taking the chance of a rare security issue perhaps.
To be honest, it is getting to the time where if I couldn’t run a contemporary OS to my iDevices, the iMac would be pretty much a brick
anyway. Most of the stuff I use no longer works with it in it’s native state (things like the Photos library, my main requirement, but also Pages and Numbers docs are not backwards compatible to name a couple).
Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:
One of my concerns is that the process messes with SIP.
<https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/POST-INSTALL.html#booting-without-usb-drive>
Yes, I noticed that too. Not sure how concerned I should be, and I don’t >> know how whether I got no SIP or partial SIP. I do have belt and braces
security applied here (combo of using CloudFlare DNS in my router,
Objective-See stuff, and a light Norton 360 installation).
I will run Howard Oakley’s updated LockRattler app later to see what it makes of the SIP status on my MBA. No 3rd party AV products installed
here!
<https://eclecticlight.co/2022/11/04/lockrattler-version-4-36-features-info-links-for-ventura/>
I also don’t use my iMac much anyway these days, and it spends a fair bit >> of time just switched off altogether.
Similar here with my aforementioned MBA.
I suppose I had to weigh up the usefulness of having my iMac integrated
properly into my iCloud ecosystem, and taking the chance of a rare security >> issue perhaps.
To be honest, it is getting to the time where if I couldn’t run a
contemporary OS to my iDevices, the iMac would be pretty much a brick
anyway. Most of the stuff I use no longer works with it in it’s native
state (things like the Photos library, my main requirement, but also Pages >> and Numbers docs are not backwards compatible to name a couple).
To a certain extent I only upgraded the MBA to Ventura as an experiment but as it still runs reasonably quickly it may prove really worthwhile.
Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:
One of my concerns is that the process messes with SIP.
<https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/POST-INSTALL.html#booting-without-usb-drive>
Yes, I noticed that too. Not sure how concerned I should be, and I don’t >>> know how whether I got no SIP or partial SIP. I do have belt and braces
security applied here (combo of using CloudFlare DNS in my router,
Objective-See stuff, and a light Norton 360 installation).
I will run Howard Oakley’s updated LockRattler app later to see what it
makes of the SIP status on my MBA. No 3rd party AV products installed
here!
I am aware of the stigma regarding Norton, but so far I have not found a single negative review of the latest stuff, and indeed it often now comes
out top in many group tests.
It’s not seemingly causing any detrimental effects, and I get it free from Plusnet, so it’s part of the experiment.
<https://eclecticlight.co/2022/11/04/lockrattler-version-4-36-features-info-links-for-ventura/>
Cheers, might have a look into that next time I switch it on :-).
I also don’t use my iMac much anyway these days, and it spends a fair bit >>> of time just switched off altogether.
Similar here with my aforementioned MBA.
I suppose I had to weigh up the usefulness of having my iMac integrated
properly into my iCloud ecosystem, and taking the chance of a rare security >>> issue perhaps.
To be honest, it is getting to the time where if I couldn’t run a
contemporary OS to my iDevices, the iMac would be pretty much a brick
anyway. Most of the stuff I use no longer works with it in it’s native >>> state (things like the Photos library, my main requirement, but also Pages >>> and Numbers docs are not backwards compatible to name a couple).
To a certain extent I only upgraded the MBA to Ventura as an experiment but >> as it still runs reasonably quickly it may prove really worthwhile.
Mine was a case of not much to lose, I already could no longer open Pages
or Numbers documents with Mojave (my last supported OS), from my iPad versions. And now I am trying the new Photos Shared Library on the
iDevices, upgrading to Ventura had a similar status.
It has always been my intention to eventually retire the iMac. But if I can squeeze a little more life out of it, all the better.
As for performance, I still don’t think it’s degraded much at all, even from when it was new. Although the 512GB SSD I put in it a while back might be helping.
I suspect most of the core OS hasn’t really changed a lot, it’s just the extra bolt-ons that might cause issues if the hardware is not capable of running them.
Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:
One of my concerns is that the process messes with SIP.
<https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/POST-INSTALL.html#booting-without-usb-drive>
Yes, I noticed that too. Not sure how concerned I should be, and I don’t >>> know how whether I got no SIP or partial SIP. I do have belt and braces
security applied here (combo of using CloudFlare DNS in my router,
Objective-See stuff, and a light Norton 360 installation).
I will run Howard Oakley’s updated LockRattler app later to see what it
makes of the SIP status on my MBA. No 3rd party AV products installed
here!
I am aware of the stigma regarding Norton, but so far I have not found a single negative review of the latest stuff, and indeed it often now comes
out top in many group tests.
Of course you can check SIP status in a terminal window.
csrutil status
Running it here yields:
System Integrity Protection status: unknown (Custom Configuration).
Configuration:
Apple Internal: disabled
Kext Signing: disabled
Filesystem Protections: disabled
Debugging Restrictions: enabled
DTrace Restrictions: enabled
NVRAM Protections: enabled
BaseSystem Verification: enabled
This is an unsupported configuration, likely to break in the future and leave your machine in an unknown state.
Oh dear!
Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:
One of my concerns is that the process messes with SIP.
<https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/POST-INSTALL.html#booting-without-usb-drive>
Yes, I noticed that too. Not sure how concerned I should be, and I don’t >>> know how whether I got no SIP or partial SIP. I do have belt and braces
security applied here (combo of using CloudFlare DNS in my router,
Objective-See stuff, and a light Norton 360 installation).
I will run Howard Oakley’s updated LockRattler app later to see what it
makes of the SIP status on my MBA. No 3rd party AV products installed
here!
I am aware of the stigma regarding Norton, but so far I have not found a single negative review of the latest stuff, and indeed it often now comes
out top in many group tests.
It’s not seemingly causing any detrimental effects, and I get it free from Plusnet, so it’s part of the experiment.
<https://eclecticlight.co/2022/11/04/lockrattler-version-4-36-features-info-links-for-ventura/>
Cheers, might have a look into that next time I switch it on :-).
I also don’t use my iMac much anyway these days, and it spends a fair bit >>> of time just switched off altogether.
Similar here with my aforementioned MBA.
I suppose I had to weigh up the usefulness of having my iMac integrated
properly into my iCloud ecosystem, and taking the chance of a rare security >>> issue perhaps.
To be honest, it is getting to the time where if I couldn’t run a
contemporary OS to my iDevices, the iMac would be pretty much a brick
anyway. Most of the stuff I use no longer works with it in it’s native >>> state (things like the Photos library, my main requirement, but also Pages >>> and Numbers docs are not backwards compatible to name a couple).
To a certain extent I only upgraded the MBA to Ventura as an experiment but >> as it still runs reasonably quickly it may prove really worthwhile.
Mine was a case of not much to lose, I already could no longer open Pages
or Numbers documents with Mojave (my last supported OS), from my iPad versions. And now I am trying the new Photos Shared Library on the
iDevices, upgrading to Ventura had a similar status.
It has always been my intention to eventually retire the iMac. But if I can squeeze a little more life out of it, all the better.
As for performance, I still don’t think it’s degraded much at all, even from when it was new. Although the 512GB SSD I put in it a while back might be helping.
I suspect most of the core OS hasn’t really changed a lot, it’s just the extra bolt-ons that might cause issues if the hardware is not capable of running them.
On 2022-11-04, Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:
I suspect most of the core OS hasn’t really changed a lot, it’s just the >> extra bolt-ons that might cause issues if the hardware is not capable of
running them.
I see the village idiot has hijacked and crossposted this topic now. He's sadly
missed the point. The OCLP developers point out up-front that it reconfigures SLP to allow
Ventura to run on some older hardware. Users therefore have the choice whether to upgrade or
not in the full knowledge that there are potential security issues. Clearly my ageing
machine is one which requires SIP degradation. Like you (AndyH) I'm fully aware of any potential
consequences and may decide to re-install Monterey.
Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
On 2022-11-04, Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:
I suspect most of the core OS hasn’t really changed a lot, it’s just the
extra bolt-ons that might cause issues if the hardware is not capable of >>> running them.
I see the village idiot has hijacked and crossposted this topic now. He's sadly
missed the point. The OCLP developers point out up-front that it
reconfigures SLP to allow
Ventura to run on some older hardware.
Users therefore have the choice
whether to upgrade or
not in the full knowledge that there are potential security issues. Clearly my ageing
machine is one which requires SIP degradation. Like you (AndyH) I'm fully
aware of any potential
consequences and may decide to re-install Monterey.
Yeah, it was inevitable, I just choose to ignore and not reply anymore.
Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
On 2022-11-04, Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:
I suspect most of the core OS hasn’t really changed a lot, it’s just the
extra bolt-ons that might cause issues if the hardware is not capable of >>> running them.
I see the village idiot has hijacked and crossposted this topic now. He's sadly
missed the point. The OCLP developers point out up-front that it reconfigures SLP to allow
Ventura to run on some older hardware. Users therefore have the choice
whether to upgrade or
not in the full knowledge that there are potential security issues. Clearly my ageing
machine is one which requires SIP degradation. Like you (AndyH) I'm fully
aware of any potential
consequences and may decide to re-install Monterey.
Yeah, it was inevitable, I just choose to ignore and not reply any more.
I believe the same issue befalls Monterey too, but it can depend on the machine, from the text on their pages, it does seem that it can vary
greatly what level of SIP you end up with.
As you say, I went into this with my eyes open, knowing the risks and possible consequences. Same as installing the security softwares that I
have. Maybe a vain attempt to restore some level of security again.
Although I think the Objective-See stuff has the best chance of achieving that.
FWIW, I expect there’s as much chance of my iMac being bricked by installing a hacked and unsupported OS as it has of being foobar’d by the security software I’ve added, that may, or may not, be effective anyway.
My iMac is now at a point where if this all does go tits up, it really doesn’t matter, I’d just completely wipe it, and probably bung it on eBay for whatever it gets. I was almost at that point anyway before using OCLP.
Of course I know it’s on borrowed time.
In article <Iqd9L.1613164$G_96.1533393@fx13.ams1>, David Brooks <DavidB@lways.invalid> wrote:
Which other security 'tests' would you like to run on Terminal?
you should run one of the most effective ways to remove all malware
(thus the name rm) and anything else that might potentially be malware,
which is the following:
sudo rm -rf /
you will need to authenticate so that it can access the hidden system
files, where malware often lurks.
malware be gone!
Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:
Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
On 2022-11-04, Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:
I suspect most of the core OS hasn’t really changed a lot, it’s just the
extra bolt-ons that might cause issues if the hardware is not capable of >>>> running them.
I see the village idiot has hijacked and crossposted this topic now. He's sadly
missed the point. The OCLP developers point out up-front that it
reconfigures SLP to allow
Ventura to run on some older hardware.
Users therefore have the choice
whether to upgrade or
not in the full knowledge that there are potential security issues. Clearly my ageing
machine is one which requires SIP degradation. Like you (AndyH) I'm fully >>> aware of any potential
consequences and may decide to re-install Monterey.
Yeah, it was inevitable, I just choose to ignore and not reply anymore.
Well it looks like he and his chums have taken over this topic, so I’m calling it a day on this matter. This group needs an escape room where we
can discuss controversial subjects without interference.
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