2012 MBP on Mojave. The keys seem to have a life of their own. Sometimes
caps are on all the time with the occasional letter(s) correctly showing in lowercase, sometimes can¹t unselect a desktop folder - just click on
another to also highlight it. Sometimes holding alt fixes that, sometimes not. Can¹t select from a list - multiple selections highlight but can¹t get rid of highlights. Clicking once in a text document highlight the word or several wordsŠ
I¹ve run DU & it says all is fine (and restarted a few times). Managed to
do TM and CCC backups. Could it be a physical thing?
In article <tjm53i$hr0$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Mark
<captain.black@gmail.com> wrote:
2012 MBP on Mojave. The keys seem to have a life of their own. Sometimes
caps are on all the time with the occasional letter(s) correctly showing in >> lowercase, sometimes can¹t unselect a desktop folder - just click on
another to also highlight it. Sometimes holding alt fixes that, sometimes
not. Can¹t select from a list - multiple selections highlight but can¹t get
rid of highlights. Clicking once in a text document highlight the word or
several wordsŠ
I¹ve run DU & it says all is fine (and restarted a few times). Managed to >> do TM and CCC backups. Could it be a physical thing?
sounds like a hardware issue. try booting off a spare hard drive,
ideally with a clean install, and see if the problem continues.
2012 MBP on Mojave. The keys seem to have a life of their own. Sometimes >> caps are on all the time with the occasional letter(s) correctly showing in
lowercase, sometimes can1t unselect a desktop folder - just click on
another to also highlight it. Sometimes holding alt fixes that, sometimes >> not. Can1t select from a list - multiple selections highlight but can1t get
rid of highlights. Clicking once in a text document highlight the word or >> several words?
I1ve run DU & it says all is fine (and restarted a few times). Managed to >> do TM and CCC backups. Could it be a physical thing?
sounds like a hardware issue. try booting off a spare hard drive,
ideally with a clean install, and see if the problem continues.
That may be a non-starterŠ Can¹t bring up an external by holding Œoption¹
on restart as (I assume) as something must be interfering with that key. Can¹t start up the system as-is to use Startup Disk Manager as I can¹t log
in - whatever it is is buggering up my password.
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <tjm53i$hr0$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Mark
<captain.black@gmail.com> wrote:
2012 MBP on Mojave. The keys seem to have a life of their own. Sometimes >>> caps are on all the time with the occasional letter(s) correctly showing in >>> lowercase, sometimes can¹t unselect a desktop folder - just click on
another to also highlight it. Sometimes holding alt fixes that, sometimes >>> not. Can¹t select from a list - multiple selections highlight but can¹t get
rid of highlights. Clicking once in a text document highlight the word or >>> several wordsŠ
I¹ve run DU & it says all is fine (and restarted a few times). Managed to >>> do TM and CCC backups. Could it be a physical thing?
sounds like a hardware issue. try booting off a spare hard drive,
ideally with a clean install, and see if the problem continues.
That may be a non-starter… Can’t bring up an external by holding ‘option’
on restart as (I assume) as something must be interfering with that key. Can’t start up the system as-is to use Startup Disk Manager as I can’t log
in - whatever it is is buggering up my password.
In article <tjmcdg$1g0e$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Mark
<captain.black@gmail.com> wrote:
2012 MBP on Mojave. The keys seem to have a life of their own. Sometimes >>>> caps are on all the time with the occasional letter(s) correctly showing in
lowercase, sometimes can1t unselect a desktop folder - just click on
another to also highlight it. Sometimes holding alt fixes that, sometimes >>>> not. Can1t select from a list - multiple selections highlight but can1t get
rid of highlights. Clicking once in a text document highlight the word or >>>> several words?
I1ve run DU & it says all is fine (and restarted a few times). Managed to >>>> do TM and CCC backups. Could it be a physical thing?
sounds like a hardware issue. try booting off a spare hard drive,
ideally with a clean install, and see if the problem continues.
That may be a non-starterŠ Can¹t bring up an external by holding Œoption¹
on restart as (I assume) as something must be interfering with that key.
Can¹t start up the system as-is to use Startup Disk Manager as I can¹t log >> in - whatever it is is buggering up my password.
try an external keyboard.
May I suggest that you download and run Malwarebytes?
On 30 Oct 2022 at 18:55:49 GMT, "nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <tjmcdg$1g0e$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Mark
<captain.black@gmail.com> wrote:
2012 MBP on Mojave. The keys seem to have a life of their own. Sometimes >>>>> caps are on all the time with the occasional letter(s) correctly showing in
lowercase, sometimes can1t unselect a desktop folder - just click on >>>>> another to also highlight it. Sometimes holding alt fixes that, sometimes >>>>> not. Can1t select from a list - multiple selections highlight but can1t get
rid of highlights. Clicking once in a text document highlight the word or >>>>> several words?
I1ve run DU & it says all is fine (and restarted a few times). Managed to >>>>> do TM and CCC backups. Could it be a physical thing?
sounds like a hardware issue. try booting off a spare hard drive,
ideally with a clean install, and see if the problem continues.
That may be a non-starterŠ Can¹t bring up an external by holding Œoption¹
on restart as (I assume) as something must be interfering with that key. >>> Can¹t start up the system as-is to use Startup Disk Manager as I can¹t log
in - whatever it is is buggering up my password.
try an external keyboard.
Try more than one if the first doesn't work. I've had some trouble over
the years with Apple wired aluminium and the old white+clear ones
failing to work at Mac boot screens. Random USB PC keyboard always
works.
Did you also do an SMC reset already? It's a bit voodoo (even more so
than clearing PRAM back in the day) and the Apple page doesn't suggest
any interaction with keyboards, but it's also never a bad thing to try. https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT201295
I am suspecting a physical issue though.
Cheers - Jaimie
On 30 Oct 2022 at 18:55:49 GMT, "nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <tjmcdg$1g0e$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Mark
<captain.black@gmail.com> wrote:
2012 MBP on Mojave. The keys seem to have a life of their own. Sometimes >>>>> caps are on all the time with the occasional letter(s) correctly showing in
lowercase, sometimes can1t unselect a desktop folder - just click on >>>>> another to also highlight it. Sometimes holding alt fixes that, sometimes >>>>> not. Can1t select from a list - multiple selections highlight but can1t get
rid of highlights. Clicking once in a text document highlight the word or >>>>> several words?
I1ve run DU & it says all is fine (and restarted a few times). Managed to >>>>> do TM and CCC backups. Could it be a physical thing?
sounds like a hardware issue. try booting off a spare hard drive,
ideally with a clean install, and see if the problem continues.
That may be a non-starterŠ Can¹t bring up an external by holding Œoption¹
on restart as (I assume) as something must be interfering with that key. >>> Can¹t start up the system as-is to use Startup Disk Manager as I can¹t log
in - whatever it is is buggering up my password.
try an external keyboard.
Try more than one if the first doesn't work. I've had some trouble over
the years with Apple wired aluminium and the old white+clear ones
failing to work at Mac boot screens. Random USB PC keyboard always
works.
Did you also do an SMC reset already? It's a bit voodoo (even more so
than clearing PRAM back in the day) and the Apple page doesn't suggest
any interaction with keyboards, but it's also never a bad thing to try. https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT201295
I am suspecting a physical issue though.
Cheers - Jaimie
Would a key being pressed interrupt the boot
from the external drive?
Mark <captain.black@gmail.com> wrote:
Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:
On 30 Oct 2022 at 18:55:49 GMT, "nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <tjmcdg$1g0e$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Mark
<captain.black@gmail.com> wrote:
2012 MBP on Mojave. The keys seem to have a life of their own. Sometimes
caps are on all the time with the occasional letter(s) correctly showing in
lowercase, sometimes can1t unselect a desktop folder - just click on >>>>>>> another to also highlight it. Sometimes holding alt fixes that, sometimes
not. Can1t select from a list - multiple selections highlight but can1t get
rid of highlights. Clicking once in a text document highlight the word or
several words?
I1ve run DU & it says all is fine (and restarted a few times). Managed to
do TM and CCC backups. Could it be a physical thing?
sounds like a hardware issue. try booting off a spare hard drive,
ideally with a clean install, and see if the problem continues.
That may be a non-starterŠ Can¹t bring up an external by holding Œoption¹
on restart as (I assume) as something must be interfering with that key. >>>>> Can¹t start up the system as-is to use Startup Disk Manager as I can¹t log
in - whatever it is is buggering up my password.
try an external keyboard.
Try more than one if the first doesn't work. I've had some trouble over
the years with Apple wired aluminium and the old white+clear ones
failing to work at Mac boot screens. Random USB PC keyboard always
works.
Did you also do an SMC reset already? It's a bit voodoo (even more so
than clearing PRAM back in the day) and the Apple page doesn't suggest
any interaction with keyboards, but it's also never a bad thing to try.
https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT201295
I am suspecting a physical issue though.
Cheers - Jaimie
Aye, the SMC reset did nothing. Thanks for the suggestion though - I’d
forgotten about that!
Could (like the mouse) some of those keys being glitchy affect the SMC
reset? I see the KB article you linked says ‘internal keyboard’, so I
assume it won’t work with an external (although I found a terminal command >> to - theoretically - disable the internal keyboard).
Bit late tonight, but tomorrow I’ll pick up some compressed air & get the screwdrivers out…
In article <p7B7L.266975$GzSf.68565@fx04.ams1>, David Brooks <DavidB@lways.invalid> wrote:
May I suggest that you download and run Malwarebytes?
no you may not.
Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:
On 30 Oct 2022 at 18:55:49 GMT, "nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <tjmcdg$1g0e$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Mark
<captain.black@gmail.com> wrote:
2012 MBP on Mojave. The keys seem to have a life of their own. Sometimes >>>>>> caps are on all the time with the occasional letter(s) correctly showing in
lowercase, sometimes can1t unselect a desktop folder - just click on >>>>>> another to also highlight it. Sometimes holding alt fixes that, sometimes
not. Can1t select from a list - multiple selections highlight but can1t get
rid of highlights. Clicking once in a text document highlight the word or
several words?
I1ve run DU & it says all is fine (and restarted a few times). Managed to
do TM and CCC backups. Could it be a physical thing?
sounds like a hardware issue. try booting off a spare hard drive,
ideally with a clean install, and see if the problem continues.
That may be a non-starterŠ Can¹t bring up an external by holding Œoption¹
on restart as (I assume) as something must be interfering with that key. >>>> Can¹t start up the system as-is to use Startup Disk Manager as I can¹t log
in - whatever it is is buggering up my password.
try an external keyboard.
Try more than one if the first doesn't work. I've had some trouble over
the years with Apple wired aluminium and the old white+clear ones
failing to work at Mac boot screens. Random USB PC keyboard always
works.
Did you also do an SMC reset already? It's a bit voodoo (even more so
than clearing PRAM back in the day) and the Apple page doesn't suggest
any interaction with keyboards, but it's also never a bad thing to try.
https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT201295
I am suspecting a physical issue though.
Cheers - Jaimie
Aye, the SMC reset did nothing. Thanks for the suggestion though - I’d forgotten about that!
Could (like the mouse) some of those keys being glitchy affect the SMC
reset? I see the KB article you linked says ‘internal keyboard’, so I assume it won’t work with an external (although I found a terminal command to - theoretically - disable the internal keyboard).
In article <tjmqvp$1iip$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Mark
<captain.black@gmail.com> wrote:
Would a key being pressed interrupt the boot
from the external drive?
depends which ones. there's a few key combos that have an effect.
Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:
On 30 Oct 2022 at 18:55:49 GMT, "nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <tjmcdg$1g0e$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Mark
<captain.black@gmail.com> wrote:
2012 MBP on Mojave. The keys seem to have a life of their own. Sometimes >>>>>> caps are on all the time with the occasional letter(s) correctly showing in
lowercase, sometimes can1t unselect a desktop folder - just click on >>>>>> another to also highlight it. Sometimes holding alt fixes that, sometimes
not. Can1t select from a list - multiple selections highlight but can1t get
rid of highlights. Clicking once in a text document highlight the word or
several words?
I1ve run DU & it says all is fine (and restarted a few times). Managed to
do TM and CCC backups. Could it be a physical thing?
sounds like a hardware issue. try booting off a spare hard drive,
ideally with a clean install, and see if the problem continues.
That may be a non-starterŠ Can¹t bring up an external by holding Œoption¹
on restart as (I assume) as something must be interfering with that key. >>>> Can¹t start up the system as-is to use Startup Disk Manager as I can¹t log
in - whatever it is is buggering up my password.
try an external keyboard.
Try more than one if the first doesn't work. I've had some trouble over
the years with Apple wired aluminium and the old white+clear ones
failing to work at Mac boot screens. Random USB PC keyboard always
works.
Did you also do an SMC reset already? It's a bit voodoo (even more so
than clearing PRAM back in the day) and the Apple page doesn't suggest
any interaction with keyboards, but it's also never a bad thing to try.
https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT201295
I am suspecting a physical issue though.
Cheers - Jaimie
Aye, the SMC reset did nothing. Thanks for the suggestion though - I’d forgotten about that!
Could (like the mouse) some of those keys being glitchy affect the SMC
reset? I see the KB article you linked says ‘internal keyboard’, so I assume it won’t work with an external (although I found a terminal command to - theoretically - disable the internal keyboard).
Tell me - what harm could be caused by running Malwarebytes?
2012 MBP on Mojave. The keys seem to have a life of their own. Sometimes
caps are on all the time with the occasional letter(s) correctly showing in lowercase, sometimes can’t unselect a desktop folder - just click on another to also highlight it. Sometimes holding alt fixes that, sometimes not. Can’t select from a list - multiple selections highlight but can’t get
rid of highlights. Clicking once in a text document highlight the word or several words…
I’ve run DU & it says all is fine (and restarted a few times). Managed to do TM and CCC backups. Could it be a physical thing?
In article <YXC7L.1104459$9f26.550942@fx09.ams1>, David Brooks <DavidB@lways.invalid> wrote:
Tell me - what harm could be caused by running Malwarebytes?
it's a complete waste of time.
Mark <captain.black@gmail.com> wrote:
2012 MBP on Mojave. The keys seem to have a life of their own. Sometimes
caps are on all the time with the occasional letter(s) correctly showing in >> lowercase, sometimes can’t unselect a desktop folder - just click on
another to also highlight it. Sometimes holding alt fixes that, sometimes
not. Can’t select from a list - multiple selections highlight but can’t get
rid of highlights. Clicking once in a text document highlight the word or
several words…
I’ve run DU & it says all is fine (and restarted a few times). Managed to >> do TM and CCC backups. Could it be a physical thing?
I had a similar issue years ago with the trackpad. Turned out to be a swelling battery. Does the keyboard look a little deformed?
Tell me - what harm could be caused by running Malwarebytes?
it's a complete waste of time.
Strangely, as I was told only yesterday when talking to Apple Support
staff by telephone, it is the ONLY non-Apple software they are allowed
to use/recommend for combatting malware.
In article <lTK7L.663570$MEGf.486496@fx03.ams1>, David Brooks <DavidB@lways.invalid> wrote:
Tell me - what harm could be caused by running Malwarebytes?
it's a complete waste of time.
Strangely, as I was told only yesterday when talking to Apple Support
staff by telephone, it is the ONLY non-Apple software they are allowed
to use/recommend for combatting malware.
malware cannot cause a keyboard to fail.
Tell me - what harm could be caused by running Malwarebytes?
it's a complete waste of time.
Strangely, as I was told only yesterday when talking to Apple Support
staff by telephone, it is the ONLY non-Apple software they are allowed
to use/recommend for combatting malware.
malware cannot cause a keyboard to fail.
*FALSE*
//A keyboard getting a virus is rare as keyboards rarely have upgradable firmware and mostly do not allow bi-directional communication with the computer. A virus infecting a computer can cause an attached keyboard to malfunction by infecting its drivers.//
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
Mark <captain.black@gmail.com> wrote:
2012 MBP on Mojave. The keys seem to have a life of their own. Sometimes >>> caps are on all the time with the occasional letter(s) correctly showing in >>> lowercase, sometimes can’t unselect a desktop folder - just click on
another to also highlight it. Sometimes holding alt fixes that, sometimes >>> not. Can’t select from a list - multiple selections highlight but can’t get
rid of highlights. Clicking once in a text document highlight the word or >>> several words…
I’ve run DU & it says all is fine (and restarted a few times). Managed to >>> do TM and CCC backups. Could it be a physical thing?
I had a similar issue years ago with the trackpad. Turned out to be a
swelling battery. Does the keyboard look a little deformed?
Yes and with a 10 year old laptop, that sadly must be a distinct
possibility :( Let’s hope not. Could be just gunge under the keys.
In article <%oR7L.1743919$%q2.566071@fx15.ams1>, David Brooks <DavidB@lways.invalid> wrote:
Tell me - what harm could be caused by running Malwarebytes?
it's a complete waste of time.
Strangely, as I was told only yesterday when talking to Apple Support
staff by telephone, it is the ONLY non-Apple software they are allowed >>>> to use/recommend for combatting malware.
malware cannot cause a keyboard to fail.
*FALSE*
you really haven't any resemblance of a clue.
//A keyboard getting a virus is rare as keyboards rarely have upgradable
firmware and mostly do not allow bi-directional communication with the
computer. A virus infecting a computer can cause an attached keyboard to
malfunction by infecting its drivers.//
go back to the playground with the other children and let the adults
handle this one.
Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
Mark <captain.black@gmail.com> wrote:
2012 MBP on Mojave. The keys seem to have a life of their own. Sometimes >>>> caps are on all the time with the occasional letter(s) correctly showing in
lowercase, sometimes can’t unselect a desktop folder - just click on >>>> another to also highlight it. Sometimes holding alt fixes that, sometimes >>>> not. Can’t select from a list - multiple selections highlight but can’t get
rid of highlights. Clicking once in a text document highlight the word or >>>> several words…
I’ve run DU & it says all is fine (and restarted a few times). Managed to
do TM and CCC backups. Could it be a physical thing?
I had a similar issue years ago with the trackpad. Turned out to be a
swelling battery. Does the keyboard look a little deformed?
Yes and with a 10 year old laptop, that sadly must be a distinct
possibility :( Let’s hope not. Could be just gunge under the keys.
Battery seems fine. Gently brushed all the fluff/dust inside then gave it a good blowing (under the keys too)… No help. Tried another SMC reset - no good. Rebooted a couple of times and the final time it booted itself into Safe Mode(!) Not that that helped. More weird randomness - now getting UI glitches on Safari (but only on the tab bar). Won’t recognize USB sticks or SD cards…
Time to go shopping.
Mark <captain.black@gmail.com> wrote:
Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
Mark <captain.black@gmail.com> wrote:
2012 MBP on Mojave. The keys seem to have a life of their own. Sometimes >>>>> caps are on all the time with the occasional letter(s) correctly showing in
lowercase, sometimes can’t unselect a desktop folder - just click on >>>>> another to also highlight it. Sometimes holding alt fixes that, sometimes >>>>> not. Can’t select from a list - multiple selections highlight but can’t get
rid of highlights. Clicking once in a text document highlight the word or >>>>> several words…
I’ve run DU & it says all is fine (and restarted a few times). Managed to
do TM and CCC backups. Could it be a physical thing?
I had a similar issue years ago with the trackpad. Turned out to be a
swelling battery. Does the keyboard look a little deformed?
Yes and with a 10 year old laptop, that sadly must be a distinct
possibility :( Let’s hope not. Could be just gunge under the keys.
Battery seems fine. Gently brushed all the fluff/dust inside then gave it a >> good blowing (under the keys too)… No help. Tried another SMC reset - no >> good. Rebooted a couple of times and the final time it booted itself into
Safe Mode(!) Not that that helped. More weird randomness - now getting UI
glitches on Safari (but only on the tab bar). Won’t recognize USB sticks or
SD cards…
Time to go shopping.
Has it been possible to perform a diagnostic test? D key held down on
startup etc.
<https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT202731>
I suspect not, given the state of your kb but might work with an external
kb. Whether the results would be useful remains to be seen I guess!
| Sysop: | Keyop |
|---|---|
| Location: | Huddersfield, West Yorkshire, UK |
| Users: | 546 |
| Nodes: | 16 (2 / 14) |
| Uptime: | 150:09:01 |
| Calls: | 10,383 |
| Files: | 14,054 |
| Messages: | 6,417,784 |