• iPad as media player

    From SM@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 17 14:30:24 2022
    Can an iPad be coaxed into delivering an HD video to a projector or TV in 16:9 aspect ratio?
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  • From SM@21:1/5 to john.doe@myemail.invalid on Thu Nov 17 14:31:41 2022
    On 17 Nov 2022 at 14:30:24 GMT, "SM" <john.doe@myemail.invalid> wrote:

    Can an iPad be coaxed into delivering an HD video to a projector or TV in 16:9
    aspect ratio?

    Via HDMI, I forgot to add.
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    Cheers, Stuart

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 17 14:52:30 2022
    On 17/11/2022 14:31, SM wrote:
    On 17 Nov 2022 at 14:30:24 GMT, "SM" <john.doe@myemail.invalid> wrote:

    Can an iPad be coaxed into delivering an HD video to a projector or TV in 16:9
    aspect ratio?

    Via HDMI, I forgot to add.

    I'm not sure about that, but wonder if you are familiar with 'casting' a YouTube video onto your television screen.

    See:- https://support.google.com/chromecast/answer/2995235?hl=en-GB

    Do try it!

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    David

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to john.doe@myemail.invalid on Thu Nov 17 11:43:19 2022
    In article <tl5gkd$2loc1$1@dont-email.me>, SM
    <john.doe@myemail.invalid> wrote:


    Can an iPad be coaxed into delivering an HD video to a projector or TV in 16:9 aspect ratio?

    Via HDMI, I forgot to add.

    get an apple hdmi adapter.

    another option is wireless via airplay to an apple tv (3rd gen or
    later).

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  • From SM@21:1/5 to nospam on Thu Nov 17 21:11:52 2022
    On 17 Nov 2022 at 16:43:19 GMT, "nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    In article <tl5gkd$2loc1$1@dont-email.me>, SM
    <john.doe@myemail.invalid> wrote:


    Can an iPad be coaxed into delivering an HD video to a projector or TV in >>> 16:9 aspect ratio?

    Via HDMI, I forgot to add.

    get an apple hdmi adapter.

    another option is wireless via airplay to an apple tv (3rd gen or
    later).

    Do you think an Apple USBC >HDMI adapter would work differently to a 3rd party one? Both Caldigit adapters I've got will give 'clean' video (no interface visible) via HDMI but only boxed into the iPad's aspect ratio.

    I've got a couple of Apple TVs but for this use it would be too much of a faff - projecting video in a lecture theatre via HDMI.

    I've got an Apple Lightning >HDMI adapter so I could try it out using my iPhone.
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    Cheers, Stuart

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to john.doe@myemail.invalid on Thu Nov 17 16:41:56 2022
    In article <tl682o$2nm08$1@dont-email.me>, SM
    <john.doe@myemail.invalid> wrote:

    Can an iPad be coaxed into delivering an HD video to a projector or TV in >>> 16:9 aspect ratio?

    Via HDMI, I forgot to add.

    get an apple hdmi adapter.

    another option is wireless via airplay to an apple tv (3rd gen or
    later).

    Do you think an Apple USBC >HDMI adapter would work differently to a 3rd party
    one? Both Caldigit adapters I've got will give 'clean' video (no interface visible) via HDMI but only boxed into the iPad's aspect ratio.

    tap the screen and you should see arrows <> or >< to expand/shrink to
    fit.

    some 3rd party adapters don't have a lightning port, which means the
    ipad can't be powered while sending video. that is probably not a big
    deal for short presentations but could be a problem for a longer
    videos.

    I've got a couple of Apple TVs but for this use it would be too much of a faff
    - projecting video in a lecture theatre via HDMI.

    i used to go to meetings where someone brought an older apple tv for
    exactly that purpose.

    prior to the meeting, they connected it to the projector in the room
    via hdmi, then during the meeting, each speaker could connect their
    macbook or ipad to it via airplay and give their presentation.

    I've got an Apple Lightning >HDMI adapter so I could try it out using my iPhone.

    that should also work with the ipad.

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  • From Andy Hewitt@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 17 22:39:47 2022
    On 17/11/2022 14:30, SM wrote:
    Can an iPad be coaxed into delivering an HD video to a projector or TV in 16:9
    aspect ratio?

    It certainly works on an iPad Pro with USB-C, but you only get the same
    aspect ratio as the iPad, it is a mirroring, and not extended.

    Apparently this *might* be happening with iPadOS 16.2, but it could
    depend on hardware, many of these new features are only applicable to
    the Mx series.

    Airplay might be a better option, an old Apple TV 3 onwards would do it.
    Some TVs might have Airplay too (our Samsung TU8000 has it, and it works
    OK).

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    Andy H

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  • From SM@21:1/5 to nospam on Fri Nov 18 09:48:30 2022
    On 17 Nov 2022 at 21:41:56 GMT, "nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    In article <tl682o$2nm08$1@dont-email.me>, SM
    <john.doe@myemail.invalid> wrote:

    Can an iPad be coaxed into delivering an HD video to a projector or TV in >>>>> 16:9 aspect ratio?

    Via HDMI, I forgot to add.

    get an apple hdmi adapter.

    another option is wireless via airplay to an apple tv (3rd gen or
    later).

    Do you think an Apple USBC >HDMI adapter would work differently to a 3rd party
    one? Both Caldigit adapters I've got will give 'clean' video (no interface >> visible) via HDMI but only boxed into the iPad's aspect ratio.

    tap the screen and you should see arrows <or >< to expand/shrink to> fit.

    Unfortunately Files' expand button delivers a shrunken 16:9 video surrounded
    by black via HDMI.

    some 3rd party adapters don't have a lightning port, which means the
    ipad can't be powered while sending video. that is probably not a big
    deal for short presentations but could be a problem for a longer
    videos.

    The iPads's USB-C and the CalDigit dongle allows power in.

    I've got a couple of Apple TVs but for this use it would be too much of a faff
    - projecting video in a lecture theatre via HDMI.

    i used to go to meetings where someone brought an older apple tv for
    exactly that purpose.

    prior to the meeting, they connected it to the projector in the room
    via hdmi, then during the meeting, each speaker could connect their
    macbook or ipad to it via airplay and give their presentation.

    Neat

    I've got an Apple Lightning >HDMI adapter so I could try it out using my
    iPhone.

    that should also work with the ipad.

    Unlikely :-)

    My solution was to download VLC which does the job.

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    Cheers, Stuart

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  • From SM@21:1/5 to Andy Hewitt on Fri Nov 18 09:41:30 2022
    On 17 Nov 2022 at 22:39:47 GMT, "Andy Hewitt" <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:

    On 17/11/2022 14:30, SM wrote:
    Can an iPad be coaxed into delivering an HD video to a projector or TV in 16:9
    aspect ratio?

    It certainly works on an iPad Pro with USB-C, but you only get the same aspect ratio as the iPad, it is a mirroring, and not extended.

    Yes, that's the problem. Playing a 16:9 video from Files app doesn't fill the TV screen and when set to 'full screen' Files displays the video in its
    correct aspect ratio but shrunken in the centre of the screen surrounded on
    all sides by black.

    Apparently this *might* be happening with iPadOS 16.2, but it could
    depend on hardware, many of these new features are only applicable to
    the Mx series.

    It's a programming choice I think, rather than hardware. VLC app, for example, will play the video fullscreen 16:9 via HDMI so solves my problem.

    Searching suggested the option to send video to a projector/TV in the
    receiving aspect ratio is available to coders but Apple doesn't allow it in Files. One workaround would be to embed the video file in a Keynote presentation which offers 4:3 and 16:9 formats for slides.

    Airplay might be a better option, an old Apple TV 3 onwards would do it.
    Some TVs might have Airplay too (our Samsung TU8000 has it, and it works
    OK).

    I've got suitable Apple TVs and understand AirPlay but as I mentioned earlier it's too much of a faff.

    The scenario is a large lecture theatre with an AV station at the front where you plug in to the projector HDMI. Arriving at the front of the hall in
    subdued light in front of the 120 audience and proceeding to connect up an Apple TV, connect the iPad by AirPlay and get it all working could pass for entertainment ;-)

    The cherry-on-top is that AirPlay isn't available from the Files app.

    It's just a small example of iPadOS making more complicated something that should be simple. I can plug in an external disk via USB-C (yay) and play the video file in Files letterboxed on the iPad screen, but Files (or some default video player equivalent to QuickTime Player on macOS) can't deliver the fullscreen video in its correct aspect ratio to a projector/TV via HDMI.

    Of course I could just use my 10 year old MBP (exageration - it's 9 and 3/4s) --
    Cheers, Stuart

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  • From Graham J@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 18 10:18:14 2022
    SM wrote:

    [snip]

    The scenario is a large lecture theatre with an AV station at the front where you plug in to the projector HDMI. Arriving at the front of the hall in subdued light in front of the 120 audience and proceeding to connect up an Apple TV, connect the iPad by AirPlay and get it all working could pass for entertainment ;-)


    Always get to the venue an hour in advance so you can get your setup
    working properly, in peace & quiet.


    --
    Graham J

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  • From SM@21:1/5 to Graham J on Fri Nov 18 10:59:35 2022
    On 18 Nov 2022 at 10:18:14 GMT, "Graham J" <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:

    SM wrote:

    [snip]

    The scenario is a large lecture theatre with an AV station at the front where
    you plug in to the projector HDMI. Arriving at the front of the hall in
    subdued light in front of the 120 audience and proceeding to connect up an >> Apple TV, connect the iPad by AirPlay and get it all working could pass for >> entertainment ;-)


    Always get to the venue an hour in advance so you can get your setup
    working properly, in peace & quiet.

    It's considered poor form to gatecrash the previous lecture, unplug their laptop and start plugging in an Apple TV.

    --
    Cheers, Stuart

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  • From Andy Hewitt@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 18 12:02:14 2022
    On 18/11/2022 09:41, SM wrote:
    On 17 Nov 2022 at 22:39:47 GMT, "Andy Hewitt" <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:

    On 17/11/2022 14:30, SM wrote:
    Can an iPad be coaxed into delivering an HD video to a projector or TV in 16:9
    aspect ratio?

    It certainly works on an iPad Pro with USB-C, but you only get the same
    aspect ratio as the iPad, it is a mirroring, and not extended.

    Yes, that's the problem. Playing a 16:9 video from Files app doesn't fill the TV screen and when set to 'full screen' Files displays the video in its correct aspect ratio but shrunken in the centre of the screen surrounded on all sides by black.

    That's correct, and as far as I know, no way around it.

    Apparently this *might* be happening with iPadOS 16.2, but it could
    depend on hardware, many of these new features are only applicable to
    the Mx series.

    It's a programming choice I think, rather than hardware. VLC app, for example,
    will play the video fullscreen 16:9 via HDMI so solves my problem.

    Yes, I was only referring to Apple's choices with regard to their OS. In
    this case, it a programming decision, that is dependent on the hardware
    being used.

    My iPad Pro is the last A series Pro model, so I can use Stage Manager,
    but I can't use the new Screen Space feature. Originally Stage Manager
    wasn't going to work either, but they decided to activate it in the
    release version.

    Searching suggested the option to send video to a projector/TV in the receiving aspect ratio is available to coders but Apple doesn't allow it in Files. One workaround would be to embed the video file in a Keynote presentation which offers 4:3 and 16:9 formats for slides.

    Hmm, I never use Keynote, but that's an interesting thought.

    Airplay might be a better option, an old Apple TV 3 onwards would do it.
    Some TVs might have Airplay too (our Samsung TU8000 has it, and it works
    OK).

    I've got suitable Apple TVs and understand AirPlay but as I mentioned earlier it's too much of a faff.

    Really? I find Airplay just kind of, well, works!

    The scenario is a large lecture theatre with an AV station at the front where you plug in to the projector HDMI. Arriving at the front of the hall in subdued light in front of the 120 audience and proceeding to connect up an Apple TV, connect the iPad by AirPlay and get it all working could pass for entertainment ;-) >
    The cherry-on-top is that AirPlay isn't available from the Files app.

    Can't you just use the Screen Sharing button, and airplay the entire
    iPad view?

    Ok, I went and had a play with that, I rarely use this anyway, sometimes
    for photo editing. I see what you mean now. Some apps do use the TV
    screen resolution to display something to fill the space available -
    Photos does this, and as you say, so does Keynote. Files does constrain everything into the iPad screen size.

    It's just a small example of iPadOS making more complicated something that should be simple. I can plug in an external disk via USB-C (yay) and play the video file in Files letterboxed on the iPad screen, but Files (or some default
    video player equivalent to QuickTime Player on macOS) can't deliver the fullscreen video in its correct aspect ratio to a projector/TV via HDMI.

    I kind of understand that. Seems to me that Files is not intended as a
    way to play media, just a way to preview and manage files (hence the
    name). I would expect you to need something else to do that.

    What about Documents by Readdle? That's got a load of features in for
    dealing with different media.

    Of course I could just use my 10 year old MBP (exageration - it's 9 and 3/4s)

    My iMac is almost as old, 9 years and 1 month (and managing to run
    Ventura using OCP).

    --
    Andy H

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  • From Graham J@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 18 15:30:47 2022
    SM wrote:
    On 18 Nov 2022 at 10:18:14 GMT, "Graham J" <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:

    SM wrote:

    [snip]

    The scenario is a large lecture theatre with an AV station at the front where
    you plug in to the projector HDMI. Arriving at the front of the hall in
    subdued light in front of the 120 audience and proceeding to connect up an >>> Apple TV, connect the iPad by AirPlay and get it all working could pass for >>> entertainment ;-)


    Always get to the venue an hour in advance so you can get your setup
    working properly, in peace & quiet.

    It's considered poor form to gatecrash the previous lecture, unplug their laptop and start plugging in an Apple TV.


    So the first time you go to that venue, book an empty slot and set
    everything up - and make detailed notes - hopefuly you only have to do
    that once per venue ...

    --
    Graham J

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  • From SM@21:1/5 to Andy Hewitt on Fri Nov 18 17:27:28 2022
    On 18 Nov 2022 at 12:02:14 GMT, "Andy Hewitt" <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:


    It's just a small example of iPadOS making more complicated something that >> should be simple. I can plug in an external disk via USB-C (yay) and play the
    video file in Files letterboxed on the iPad screen, but Files (or some default
    video player equivalent to QuickTime Player on macOS) can't deliver the
    fullscreen video in its correct aspect ratio to a projector/TV via HDMI.

    I kind of understand that. Seems to me that Files is not intended as a
    way to play media, just a way to preview and manage files (hence the
    name). I would expect you to need something else to do that.

    Something like a media player app

    --
    Cheers, Stuart

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  • From Andy Hewitt@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 19 06:16:11 2022
    On 18/11/2022 17:27, SM wrote:
    On 18 Nov 2022 at 12:02:14 GMT, "Andy Hewitt" <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:


    It's just a small example of iPadOS making more complicated something that >>> should be simple. I can plug in an external disk via USB-C (yay) and play the
    video file in Files letterboxed on the iPad screen, but Files (or some default
    video player equivalent to QuickTime Player on macOS) can't deliver the
    fullscreen video in its correct aspect ratio to a projector/TV via HDMI.

    I kind of understand that. Seems to me that Files is not intended as a
    way to play media, just a way to preview and manage files (hence the
    name). I would expect you to need something else to do that.

    Something like a media player app

    Indeed so ;-)

    --
    Andy H

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  • From SM@21:1/5 to Andy Hewitt on Sat Nov 19 11:30:04 2022
    On 19 Nov 2022 at 06:16:11 GMT, "Andy Hewitt" <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:

    On 18/11/2022 17:27, SM wrote:
    On 18 Nov 2022 at 12:02:14 GMT, "Andy Hewitt" <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:


    It's just a small example of iPadOS making more complicated something that >>>> should be simple. I can plug in an external disk via USB-C (yay) and play the
    video file in Files letterboxed on the iPad screen, but Files (or some default
    video player equivalent to QuickTime Player on macOS) can't deliver the >>>> fullscreen video in its correct aspect ratio to a projector/TV via HDMI. >>>
    I kind of understand that. Seems to me that Files is not intended as a
    way to play media, just a way to preview and manage files (hence the
    name). I would expect you to need something else to do that.

    Something like a media player app

    Indeed so ;-)

    A slightly baffling ommision like no iPadOS calculator.
    --
    Cheers, Stuart

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  • From Andy Hewitt@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 19 11:45:33 2022
    On 19/11/2022 11:30, SM wrote:
    On 19 Nov 2022 at 06:16:11 GMT, "Andy Hewitt" <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:

    On 18/11/2022 17:27, SM wrote:
    On 18 Nov 2022 at 12:02:14 GMT, "Andy Hewitt" <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:


    It's just a small example of iPadOS making more complicated something that
    should be simple. I can plug in an external disk via USB-C (yay) and play the
    video file in Files letterboxed on the iPad screen, but Files (or some default
    video player equivalent to QuickTime Player on macOS) can't deliver the >>>>> fullscreen video in its correct aspect ratio to a projector/TV via HDMI. >>>>
    I kind of understand that. Seems to me that Files is not intended as a >>>> way to play media, just a way to preview and manage files (hence the
    name). I would expect you to need something else to do that.

    Something like a media player app

    Indeed so ;-)

    A slightly baffling ommision like no iPadOS calculator.

    What like the TV app or the Music app?

    --
    Andy H

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  • From Liz Tuddenham@21:1/5 to Graham J on Sun Nov 20 10:57:53 2022
    Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:

    SM wrote:
    On 18 Nov 2022 at 10:18:14 GMT, "Graham J" <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:

    SM wrote:

    [snip]

    The scenario is a large lecture theatre with an AV station at the
    front where you plug in to the projector HDMI. Arriving at the front
    of the hall in subdued light in front of the 120 audience and
    proceeding to connect up an Apple TV, connect the iPad by AirPlay and
    get it all working could pass for entertainment ;-)


    Always get to the venue an hour in advance so you can get your setup
    working properly, in peace & quiet.

    It's considered poor form to gatecrash the previous lecture, unplug their laptop and start plugging in an Apple TV.


    So the first time you go to that venue, book an empty slot and set
    everything up - and make detailed notes - hopefuly you only have to do
    that once per venue ...

    My advice would be to keep a computer and projector that you know are compatible with each other in your car, along with several versions of
    your presentation in different formats. Also bring a long reel of
    mains cable, Sometimes I even bring my own screen, just in case.

    This is based on long hard experience. On one occasion I needed most of
    the above and even had to bring in toolboxes from the van to use as a
    seat and table because the room didn't have enough furniture. Not
    likely in your case, but a warning of what can happen if you start
    giving talks elsewhere.

    Good luck!

    --
    ~ Liz Tuddenham ~
    (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
    www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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  • From David G. Brooks@21:1/5 to Liz Tuddenham on Sun Nov 20 12:29:49 2022
    On 20/11/2022 10:57, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
    Sometimes I even bring my own screen,

    That sounds like Americanese!

    I'd have said 'take' my own screen.

    Your advice, though, is first class. (NEVER assume - Check!)

    --
    Kind regards,
    David

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  • From Calum@21:1/5 to David G. Brooks on Mon Nov 21 10:05:28 2022
    On 20/11/2022 12:29, David G. Brooks wrote:
    On 20/11/2022 10:57, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
    Sometimes I even bring my own screen,

    That sounds like Americanese!

    I'd have said 'take' my own screen.

    More of an Irish-ism, in fact. <https://forum.wordreference.com/threads/bring-take-irish-english.1487497/>

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  • From David G. Brooks@21:1/5 to Calum on Mon Nov 21 11:06:39 2022
    On 21/11/2022 10:05, Calum wrote:
    On 20/11/2022 12:29, David G. Brooks wrote:
    On 20/11/2022 10:57, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
    Sometimes I even bring my own screen,

    That sounds like Americanese!

    I'd have said 'take' my own screen.

    More of an Irish-ism, in fact. <https://forum.wordreference.com/threads/bring-take-irish-english.1487497/>

    Ah! Half the population of the USA is part-Irish, so you are probably
    quite right! :-D

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  • From =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mr_=D6n!on?=@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 21 11:56:13 2022
    David G. Brooks <DavidB@always.invalid> wrote:

    [...]

    - yet another morphing to add to the killfile.

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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to onion@anon.invalid on Mon Nov 21 16:37:35 2022
    Mr Ön!on <onion@anon.invalid> wrote:
    David G. Brooks <DavidB@always.invalid> wrote:

    [...]

    - yet another morphing to add to the killfile.

    Been there, done that. I wish people wouldn’t respond to him though.

    --
    Cheers, Alan

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 21 17:38:10 2022
    Am 21.11.22 um 12:56 schrieb Mr Ön!on:
    David G. Brooks <DavidB@always.invalid> wrote:

    [...]

    - yet another morphing to add to the killfile.

    Another anti-social Troll of the worst kind!

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