Do Macs have this problem Microsoft screwed up on?
Click on a menu title, and leave the mouse where it is.
Now move the mouse to one of the menu items, but very briefly crossing the title of the menu next to it (this is likely to happen in normal usage because
the menu list is wider then the menu title).
On Windows, the other menu opens. Pisses me off several times a day.
On 29 Nov 2022 at 19:05:09 GMT, ""Commander Kinsey"" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
Do Macs have this problem Microsoft screwed up on?
Click on a menu title, and leave the mouse where it is.
Now move the mouse to one of the menu items, but very briefly crossing the >> title of the menu next to it (this is likely to happen in normal usage because
the menu list is wider then the menu title).
On Windows, the other menu opens. Pisses me off several times a day.
The other one also opens here. But I just mouse back to the original menu which then opens again.
On 29 Nov 2022 at 19:05:09 GMT, ""Commander Kinsey"" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
Do Macs have this problem Microsoft screwed up on?
Click on a menu title, and leave the mouse where it is.
Now move the mouse to one of the menu items, but very briefly crossing the >> title of the menu next to it (this is likely to happen in normal usage because
the menu list is wider then the menu title).
On Windows, the other menu opens. Pisses me off several times a day.
The other one also opens here. But I just mouse back to the original menu which then opens again.
On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 19:29:47 -0000, TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
On 29 Nov 2022 at 19:05:09 GMT, ""Commander Kinsey"" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote: >>
Do Macs have this problem Microsoft screwed up on?
Click on a menu title, and leave the mouse where it is.
Now move the mouse to one of the menu items, but very briefly crossing the >>> title of the menu next to it (this is likely to happen in normal usage because
the menu list is wider then the menu title).
On Windows, the other menu opens. Pisses me off several times a day.
The other one also opens here. But I just mouse back to the original menu
which then opens again.
So Macs have fucked up the menu system too?
I want to go back to the 90s.
Another thing pissing me off in Windows - open two apps side by side. Work in app A. Click on something in app B. Nothing happens. In MS terminology, you must click once to focus the app, then again to interact with it. Do Macs do this?
On 30 Nov 2022 at 01:44:30 GMT, ""Commander Kinsey"" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
Another thing pissing me off in Windows - open two apps side by side. Work in
app A. Click on something in app B. Nothing happens. In MS terminology, you >> must click once to focus the app, then again to interact with it. Do Macs do >> this?
IME experience on Windows, you click in the de-focussed window, focus shifts there and the click is also taken by the app. This I find annoying since, these days, window title-bars are so full of buttons that there's nowhere left
where you can safely click to give that window the focus without the click also doing something in that window.
Of couse it's also made worse by this rubbish modern habit of having buttons with no clear identifiable edge to them, so you've no idea whether that bit of
white-space by the icon is part of the button or not. Damn poor UI.
On 30 Nov 2022 at 01:27:19 GMT, ""Commander Kinsey"" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 19:29:47 -0000, TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote: >>
On 29 Nov 2022 at 19:05:09 GMT, ""Commander Kinsey"" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
Do Macs have this problem Microsoft screwed up on?
Click on a menu title, and leave the mouse where it is.
Now move the mouse to one of the menu items, but very briefly crossing the >>>> title of the menu next to it (this is likely to happen in normal usage because
the menu list is wider then the menu title).
On Windows, the other menu opens. Pisses me off several times a day.
The other one also opens here. But I just mouse back to the original menu >>> which then opens again.
So Macs have fucked up the menu system too?
What I observe is: short click on a menu title, the menu stays dropped. Click again, it closes. While dropped, you can mouse around the other menus and see what's on them. Long click on a menu title, it closes when you release the mouse button.
That seems reasonable to me. Apple menus used not to "latch" in the way that I
described, but they did on Windows (still do, I imagine, I don't have a Windows screen handy to test). Apple adopted that from Windows, an improvement
I think.
TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
On 30 Nov 2022 at 01:44:30 GMT, ""Commander Kinsey"" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote: >>
Another thing pissing me off in Windows - open two apps side by side. Work in
app A. Click on something in app B. Nothing happens. In MS terminology, you >>> must click once to focus the app, then again to interact with it. Do Macs do
this?
IME experience on Windows, you click in the de-focussed window, focus shifts >> there and the click is also taken by the app. This I find annoying since,
these days, window title-bars are so full of buttons that there's nowhere left
where you can safely click to give that window the focus without the click >> also doing something in that window.
Of couse it's also made worse by this rubbish modern habit of having buttons >> with no clear identifiable edge to them, so you've no idea whether that bit of
white-space by the icon is part of the button or not. Damn poor UI.
This last is yet another example of design triumphing over usefulness. I
see it everywhere. And it's not only in the software UI; I was trying to
find the function keys for volume on my iMac keyboard yesterday (I don't often use them) and *I couldn't see the markings*. Too faint for my ageing eyes.
On 30 Nov 2022 at 01:44:30 GMT, ""Commander Kinsey"" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
Another thing pissing me off in Windows - open two apps side by side. Work in
app A. Click on something in app B. Nothing happens. In MS terminology, you >> must click once to focus the app, then again to interact with it. Do Macs do >> this?
IME experience on Windows, you click in the de-focussed window, focus shifts there and the click is also taken by the app. This I find annoying since, these days, window title-bars are so full of buttons that there's nowhere left
where you can safely click to give that window the focus without the click also doing something in that window.
Of couse it's also made worse by this rubbish modern habit of having buttons with no clear identifiable edge to them, so you've no idea whether that bit of
white-space by the icon is part of the button or not. Damn poor UI.
On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 08:54:40 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:it in focus (can't think of any reason to do that), just click the title bar.
On 30 Nov 2022 at 01:44:30 GMT, ""Commander Kinsey"" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
Another thing pissing me off in Windows - open two apps side by side. Work in
app A. Click on something in app B. Nothing happens. In MS terminology, you
must click once to focus the app, then again to interact with it. Do Macs do
this?
IME experience on Windows, you click in the de-focussed window, focus shiftsSome apps do that, most don't. I'd prefer they all did as you describe. When I'm wanting an app in focus, I'm clearly also going to interact with it, so I'm going to click it on the thing I want to do something. If for some crazy reason you just wanted
there and the click is also taken by the app. This I find annoying since, these days, window title-bars are so full of buttons that there's nowhere left
where you can safely click to give that window the focus without the click also doing something in that window.
Another thing pissing me off in Windows - open two apps side by side. Work in app A. Click on something in app B. Nothing happens. In MS terminology, you must click once to focus the app, then again to interact with it. Do Macs do this?
Something I know you guys got right - dialog boxes. Linux and Macs do this correctly. The affirmative action is on the right, just like a car gas pedal or a stereo volume control. MS thinks affirmative should be on the left because "the user is too fucking lazy to read all the way to the right".
How can something as basic as a user interface be done so badly?
On 30 Nov 2022 at 01:27:19 GMT, ""Commander Kinsey"" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
I want to go back to the 90s.
We also want you to go back to the 90s. And stay there.
Do Macs have this problem Microsoft screwed up on?
Click on a menu title, and leave the mouse where it is.
Now move the mouse to one of the menu items, but very briefly crossing the title of the menu next to it (this is likely to happen in normal usage because the menu list is wider then the menu title).
On Windows, the other menu opens. Pisses me off several times a day.
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
Do Macs have this problem Microsoft screwed up on?
Click on a menu title, and leave the mouse where it is.
Now move the mouse to one of the menu items, but very briefly crossing the >> title of the menu next to it (this is likely to happen in normal usage
because the menu list is wider then the menu title).
On Windows, the other menu opens. Pisses me off several times a day.
It ain't a bug, it's a feature.
If the mouse leaves through the bottom you stay in the same menu,
no matter where you go next. (as long as it isn't another menu title)
If the mouse leaves through the side of the name panel
you go to the next menu. This is just as it should be,
On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 14:40:10 -0000, J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
Do Macs have this problem Microsoft screwed up on?
Click on a menu title, and leave the mouse where it is.
Now move the mouse to one of the menu items, but very briefly crossing the >>> title of the menu next to it (this is likely to happen in normal usage
because the menu list is wider then the menu title).
On Windows, the other menu opens. Pisses me off several times a day.
It ain't a bug, it's a feature.
If the mouse leaves through the bottom you stay in the same menu,
no matter where you go next. (as long as it isn't another menu title)
If the mouse leaves through the side of the name panel
you go to the next menu. This is just as it should be,
No it shouldn't be. Look at this screenshot: https://www.dropbox.com/s/wk2qe2z82vy5cu0/menu.jpg?dl=0
You click the view menu, then move the mouse cursor as shown on the red arrow,
intending to click full screen edit.
But no! You dared to touch "image" for 1 billionth of a second. Therefore the computer thinks you want that menu open!
If I want the image menu, I'll click the image menu! The most annoying thing about modern computers is making assumptions.
In article <op.1wfa4gkzmvhs6z@ryzen.home>, Commander Kinsey
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
Another thing pissing me off in Windows - open two apps side by side. Work >> in app A. Click on something in app B. Nothing happens. In MS terminology,
you must click once to focus the app, then again to interact with it. Do
Macs do this?
that's entirely up to the app. mac os gives developers a choice to do
what's best for the app and its users.
for example, if an app has exposed buttons, then an errant click could
cause unexpected changes, and in some cases, not undoable. that would
be bad. because of that possibility, the first click will activate the
window and the second one does the action.
on the other hand, some ui elements can be invoked while the window is
in the background, such as the window close/hide/zoom buttons. there is
no need to activate the window first.
On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 08:54:40 -0000, TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
On 30 Nov 2022 at 01:44:30 GMT, ""Commander Kinsey"" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote: >>
Another thing pissing me off in Windows - open two apps side by side. Work in
app A. Click on something in app B. Nothing happens. In MS terminology, you >>> must click once to focus the app, then again to interact with it. Do Macs do
this?
IME experience on Windows, you click in the de-focussed window, focus shifts >> there and the click is also taken by the app. This I find annoying since,
these days, window title-bars are so full of buttons that there's nowhere left
where you can safely click to give that window the focus without the click >> also doing something in that window.
Some apps do that, most don't. I'd prefer they all did as you describe. When I'm wanting an app in focus, I'm clearly also going to interact with it, so I'm going to click it on the thing I want to do something. If for some crazy reason you just wanted it in focus (can't think of any reason to do that), just click the title bar.
On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 10:47:25 -0000, John Hill <yclept@outlook.com> wrote:
TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
On 30 Nov 2022 at 01:44:30 GMT, ""Commander Kinsey"" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
Another thing pissing me off in Windows - open two apps side by side. Work in
app A. Click on something in app B. Nothing happens. In MS terminology, you
must click once to focus the app, then again to interact with it. Do Macs do
this?
IME experience on Windows, you click in the de-focussed window, focus shifts
there and the click is also taken by the app. This I find annoying since, >>> these days, window title-bars are so full of buttons that there's nowhere left
where you can safely click to give that window the focus without the click >>> also doing something in that window.
Of couse it's also made worse by this rubbish modern habit of having buttons
with no clear identifiable edge to them, so you've no idea whether that bit of
white-space by the icon is part of the button or not. Damn poor UI.
This last is yet another example of design triumphing over usefulness. I
see it everywhere. And it's not only in the software UI; I was trying to
find the function keys for volume on my iMac keyboard yesterday (I don't
often use them) and *I couldn't see the markings*. Too faint for my ageing >> eyes.
Have you seen Apple's "magic mouse"? There's no indication where the
left, right, and centre buttons are. Touch sensitive and completely
blank. Nothing to see, nothing to feel.
On everything they've also done away with words and instead make up
little icons which you may or may not know what they are. The new task manager in Windows has done away with the menus altogether and instead
has a (larger) column of symbols which somehow are supposed to indicate "processes", "performance", "app history", "startup", "users", "details",
and "services". There just aren't commonly understood symbols for those things.
On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 14:40:10 -0000, J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
Do Macs have this problem Microsoft screwed up on?
Click on a menu title, and leave the mouse where it is.
Now move the mouse to one of the menu items, but very briefly crossing the >>> title of the menu next to it (this is likely to happen in normal usage
because the menu list is wider then the menu title).
On Windows, the other menu opens. Pisses me off several times a day.
It ain't a bug, it's a feature.
If the mouse leaves through the bottom you stay in the same menu,
no matter where you go next. (as long as it isn't another menu title)
If the mouse leaves through the side of the name panel
you go to the next menu. This is just as it should be,
No it shouldn't be. Look at this screenshot: https://www.dropbox.com/s/wk2qe2z82vy5cu0/menu.jpg?dl=0
You click the view menu, then move the mouse cursor as shown on the red arrow, intending to click full screen edit.
But no! You dared to touch "image" for 1 billionth of a second.
Therefore the computer thinks you want that menu open!
If I want the image menu, I'll click the image menu! The most annoying
thing about modern computers is making assumptions.
On 30 Nov 2022 at 10:56:23 GMT, ""Commander Kinsey"" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 08:54:40 -0000, TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote: >>
On 30 Nov 2022 at 01:44:30 GMT, ""Commander Kinsey"" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
Another thing pissing me off in Windows - open two apps side by side. Work in
app A. Click on something in app B. Nothing happens. In MS terminology, you
must click once to focus the app, then again to interact with it. Do Macs do
this?
IME experience on Windows, you click in the de-focussed window, focus shifts
there and the click is also taken by the app. This I find annoying since, >>> these days, window title-bars are so full of buttons that there's nowhere left
where you can safely click to give that window the focus without the click >>> also doing something in that window.
Some apps do that, most don't. I'd prefer they all did as you describe. When >> I'm wanting an app in focus, I'm clearly also going to interact with it, so >> I'm going to click it on the thing I want to do something. If for some crazy >> reason you just wanted it in focus (can't think of any reason to do that), >> just click the title bar.
But the thing you actually want to click on in the de-focussed window may be hidden by the window that *has* focus.
And I described the horrors of the "modern" title bar.
On 30 Nov 2022 at 15:05:56 GMT, ""Commander Kinsey"" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 14:40:10 -0000, J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> >> wrote:
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
Do Macs have this problem Microsoft screwed up on?
Click on a menu title, and leave the mouse where it is.
Now move the mouse to one of the menu items, but very briefly crossing the >>>> title of the menu next to it (this is likely to happen in normal usage >>>> because the menu list is wider then the menu title).
On Windows, the other menu opens. Pisses me off several times a day.
It ain't a bug, it's a feature.
If the mouse leaves through the bottom you stay in the same menu,
no matter where you go next. (as long as it isn't another menu title)
If the mouse leaves through the side of the name panel
you go to the next menu. This is just as it should be,
No it shouldn't be. Look at this screenshot:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/wk2qe2z82vy5cu0/menu.jpg?dl=0
You click the view menu, then move the mouse cursor as shown on the red arrow,
intending to click full screen edit.
But no! You dared to touch "image" for 1 billionth of a second. Therefore the
computer thinks you want that menu open!
If I want the image menu, I'll click the image menu! The most annoying thing >> about modern computers is making assumptions.
Can you get them to dump the first-character-underlining in that menu set in your image? As if I'm going to learn 200 keyboard shortcuts many if not most of which are going to be different in the next app I use.
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 14:40:10 -0000, J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
Do Macs have this problem Microsoft screwed up on?
Click on a menu title, and leave the mouse where it is.
Now move the mouse to one of the menu items, but very briefly crossing the >>>> title of the menu next to it (this is likely to happen in normal usage >>>> because the menu list is wider then the menu title).
On Windows, the other menu opens. Pisses me off several times a day.
It ain't a bug, it's a feature.
If the mouse leaves through the bottom you stay in the same menu,
no matter where you go next. (as long as it isn't another menu title)
If the mouse leaves through the side of the name panel
you go to the next menu. This is just as it should be,
No it shouldn't be. Look at this screenshot:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/wk2qe2z82vy5cu0/menu.jpg?dl=0
You click the view menu, then move the mouse cursor as shown on the red
arrow, intending to click full screen edit.
But no! You dared to touch "image" for 1 billionth of a second.
Therefore the computer thinks you want that menu open!
If I want the image menu, I'll click the image menu! The most annoying
thing about modern computers is making assumptions.
As I have observed before,
"Classic computing: Computers do what you tell them to do, not what you
want them to do.
"Modern computing: Computers do what they want to do, no matter what you
tell them to do".
A lot of "features" in today's UIs are smart-alec things that designers do because they can, so they do them even though they degrade the user experience.
I'm all for the KISS principle. Old stick-in-the-mud, that's me.
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 10:47:25 -0000, John Hill <yclept@outlook.com> wrote:
TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
On 30 Nov 2022 at 01:44:30 GMT, ""Commander Kinsey"" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
Another thing pissing me off in Windows - open two apps side by side. Work in
app A. Click on something in app B. Nothing happens. In MS terminology, you
must click once to focus the app, then again to interact with it. Do Macs do
this?
IME experience on Windows, you click in the de-focussed window, focus shifts
there and the click is also taken by the app. This I find annoying since, >>>> these days, window title-bars are so full of buttons that there's nowhere left
where you can safely click to give that window the focus without the click >>>> also doing something in that window.
Of couse it's also made worse by this rubbish modern habit of having buttons
with no clear identifiable edge to them, so you've no idea whether that bit of
white-space by the icon is part of the button or not. Damn poor UI.
This last is yet another example of design triumphing over usefulness. I >>> see it everywhere. And it's not only in the software UI; I was trying to >>> find the function keys for volume on my iMac keyboard yesterday (I don't >>> often use them) and *I couldn't see the markings*. Too faint for my ageing >>> eyes.
Have you seen Apple's "magic mouse"? There's no indication where the
left, right, and centre buttons are. Touch sensitive and completely
blank. Nothing to see, nothing to feel.
On everything they've also done away with words and instead make up
little icons which you may or may not know what they are. The new task
manager in Windows has done away with the menus altogether and instead
has a (larger) column of symbols which somehow are supposed to indicate
"processes", "performance", "app history", "startup", "users", "details",
and "services". There just aren't commonly understood symbols for those things.
I have no problem with the Magic Mouse. In fact, I think I'd have more problems with buttons if they came back. I did have problems with the old mouse with a scrolling wheel - it was always getting bunged up and in need
of cleaning.
Similarly with the roller ball underneath! Glad they've gone
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 14:40:10 -0000, J. J. Lodder:z82vy5cu0/menu.jpg?dl=0
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
Do Macs have this problem Microsoft screwed up on?
Click on a menu title, and leave the mouse where it is.
Now move the mouse to one of the menu items, but very briefly crossing the
title of the menu next to it (this is likely to happen in normal usage
because the menu list is wider then the menu title).
On Windows, the other menu opens. Pisses me off several times a day.
It ain't a bug, it's a feature.
If the mouse leaves through the bottom you stay in the same menu,
no matter where you go next. (as long as it isn't another menu title)
If the mouse leaves through the side of the name panel
you go to the next menu. This is just as it should be,
No it shouldn't be. Look at this screenshot: https://www.dropbox.com/s/wk2qe2
You click the view menu, then move the mouse cursor as shown on the red
arrow, intending to click full screen edit. But no! You dared to touch
"image" for 1 billionth of a second. Therefore the computer thinks you
want that menu open! If I want the image menu, I'll click the image menu!
The most annoying thing about modern computers is making assumptions.
Yes, just as it should be.
If you exit on the right, to the next menu item,
you should get the next menu item,
On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 14:40:10 -0000, J. J. Lodder:z82vy5cu0/menu.jpg?dl=0
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
Do Macs have this problem Microsoft screwed up on?
Click on a menu title, and leave the mouse where it is.
Now move the mouse to one of the menu items, but very briefly crossing the >> title of the menu next to it (this is likely to happen in normal usage
because the menu list is wider then the menu title).
On Windows, the other menu opens. Pisses me off several times a day.
It ain't a bug, it's a feature.
If the mouse leaves through the bottom you stay in the same menu,
no matter where you go next. (as long as it isn't another menu title)
If the mouse leaves through the side of the name panel
you go to the next menu. This is just as it should be,
No it shouldn't be. Look at this screenshot: https://www.dropbox.com/s/wk2qe2
You click the view menu, then move the mouse cursor as shown on the red arrow, intending to click full screen edit. But no! You dared to touch "image" for 1 billionth of a second. Therefore the computer thinks you
want that menu open! If I want the image menu, I'll click the image menu!
The most annoying thing about modern computers is making assumptions.
Another thing pissing me off in Windows - open two apps side by side. Work
in app A. Click on something in app B. Nothing happens. In MS
terminology,
you must click once to focus the app, then again to interact with it. Do >> Macs do this?
that's entirely up to the app. mac os gives developers a choice to do what's best for the app and its users.
for example, if an app has exposed buttons, then an errant click could cause unexpected changes, and in some cases, not undoable. that would
be bad. because of that possibility, the first click will activate the window and the second one does the action.
on the other hand, some ui elements can be invoked while the window is
in the background, such as the window close/hide/zoom buttons. there is
no need to activate the window first.
Mousing over the background windowand and then scrolling it with the mouse wheel is very useful.
But the problem arises (I'm on Windows, I'm asking if Macs do it too)
when you try to move the mouse from the menu title to the contents of
the menu. If you dare to cross the next menu title along, you end up
with the wrong menu open and have to go back. This happens to me
countless times a day. It's very easy to do. An example in a photo
editor is the view menu. The first two entries in the list are "full
screen edit" and "full screen preview". Clearly both those are much
wider than the word view, so it's natural to move the mouse in a SE direction, which crosses the title of the menu to the right, so that
opens instead and you click the wrong thing or have to move the cursor
back and move it at a different angle. It would be better if when you
click the view menu, that menu stays open. To get to any other menu
should require a click on that one.
On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 15:48:12 -0000, TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
On 30 Nov 2022 at 10:56:23 GMT, ""Commander Kinsey"" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote: >>
On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 08:54:40 -0000, TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote: >>>
On 30 Nov 2022 at 01:44:30 GMT, ""Commander Kinsey"" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
Another thing pissing me off in Windows - open two apps side by side. Work in
app A. Click on something in app B. Nothing happens. In MS terminology, you
must click once to focus the app, then again to interact with it. Do Macs do
this?
IME experience on Windows, you click in the de-focussed window, focus shifts
there and the click is also taken by the app. This I find annoying since, >>>> these days, window title-bars are so full of buttons that there's nowhere left
where you can safely click to give that window the focus without the click >>>> also doing something in that window.
Some apps do that, most don't. I'd prefer they all did as you describe. When
I'm wanting an app in focus, I'm clearly also going to interact with it, so >>> I'm going to click it on the thing I want to do something. If for some crazy
reason you just wanted it in focus (can't think of any reason to do that), >>> just click the title bar.
But the thing you actually want to click on in the de-focussed window may be >> hidden by the window that *has* focus.
Doesn't happen to me as I have multiple large monitors. If I didn't, I'd be using every app full screen and switching with alt-tab.
And I described the horrors of the "modern" title bar.
Not sure what you're talking about, I have no problem clicking a title bar, or
simply clicking it's button
in the taskbar, or using alt-tab to switch to it. The title bar is not the same thing as the bar with buttons, which is just under it.
On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 16:40:16 -0000, J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>:qe2
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 14:40:10 -0000, J. J. Lodder:
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
Do Macs have this problem Microsoft screwed up on?It ain't a bug, it's a feature.
Click on a menu title, and leave the mouse where it is.
Now move the mouse to one of the menu items, but very briefly
crossing the title of the menu next to it (this is likely to happen
in normal usage because the menu list is wider then the menu title).
On Windows, the other menu opens. Pisses me off several times a day. >> >
If the mouse leaves through the bottom you stay in the same menu,
no matter where you go next. (as long as it isn't another menu title)
If the mouse leaves through the side of the name panel
you go to the next menu. This is just as it should be,
No it shouldn't be. Look at this screenshot: https://www.dropbox.com/s/wk2
z82vy5cu0/menu.jpg?dl=0
You click the view menu, then move the mouse cursor as shown on the red
arrow, intending to click full screen edit. But no! You dared to touch
"image" for 1 billionth of a second. Therefore the computer thinks you
want that menu open! If I want the image menu, I'll click the image menu! >> The most annoying thing about modern computers is making assumptions.
Yes, just as it should be.
If you exit on the right, to the next menu item,
you should get the next menu item,
Why on earth should I have to take care where I exit? Why on earth would
I open the wrong menu in the first place? [-]
On 30 Nov 2022 at 16:09:17 GMT, ""Commander Kinsey"" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 15:48:12 -0000, TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote: >>
On 30 Nov 2022 at 10:56:23 GMT, ""Commander Kinsey"" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 08:54:40 -0000, TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote: >>>>
On 30 Nov 2022 at 01:44:30 GMT, ""Commander Kinsey"" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
Another thing pissing me off in Windows - open two apps side by side. Work in
app A. Click on something in app B. Nothing happens. In MS terminology, you
must click once to focus the app, then again to interact with it. Do Macs do
this?
IME experience on Windows, you click in the de-focussed window, focus shifts
there and the click is also taken by the app. This I find annoying since, >>>>> these days, window title-bars are so full of buttons that there's nowhere left
where you can safely click to give that window the focus without the click
also doing something in that window.
Some apps do that, most don't. I'd prefer they all did as you describe. When
I'm wanting an app in focus, I'm clearly also going to interact with it, so
I'm going to click it on the thing I want to do something. If for some crazy
reason you just wanted it in focus (can't think of any reason to do that), >>>> just click the title bar.
But the thing you actually want to click on in the de-focussed window may be
hidden by the window that *has* focus.
Doesn't happen to me as I have multiple large monitors. If I didn't, I'd be >> using every app full screen and switching with alt-tab.
And I described the horrors of the "modern" title bar.
Not sure what you're talking about, I have no problem clicking a title bar, or
simply clicking it's button
its button
in the taskbar, or using alt-tab to switch to it. The title bar is not the >> same thing as the bar with buttons, which is just under it.
In your image the title bar is the green row at the top. These days that's often white, and full of buttons whose extent you can't see because the buttons don't have borders. That's what I'm talking about.
Below that in your image you have the menu bar, and below that a button bar, and below that a set of tabs.
On 30/11/2022 10:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
But the problem arises (I'm on Windows, I'm asking if Macs do it too)
when you try to move the mouse from the menu title to the contents of
the menu. If you dare to cross the next menu title along, you end up
with the wrong menu open and have to go back. This happens to me
countless times a day. It's very easy to do. An example in a photo
On the Mac there is a bit of a buffer zone between the edge of one menu
item (whether the main title or a subitem) and the next. Straying into
this buffer zone doesn't automatically cause a change and you have to
fully cross it in order to select the next menu or sub-menu item.
Windows has no such buffer zone so you only need to stray just one pixel
off and the selected item disappears and the next one lights up. I agree
with you it's incredibly annoying and even though you know it's going to happen you still end up doing it because the only way to be certain is...to...really...slow...down...your...mouse...movements...when... accessing...the...menu. Aaargh!
On the Mac I never have the same problem and it's another example of
where the small things make the Mac better.
editor is the view menu. The first two entries in the list are "full
screen edit" and "full screen preview". Clearly both those are much
wider than the word view, so it's natural to move the mouse in a SE
direction, which crosses the title of the menu to the right, so that
opens instead and you click the wrong thing or have to move the cursor
back and move it at a different angle. It would be better if when you
click the view menu, that menu stays open. To get to any other menu
should require a click on that one.
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 16:40:16 -0000, J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>: >>qe2
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 14:40:10 -0000, J. J. Lodder:
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
Do Macs have this problem Microsoft screwed up on?It ain't a bug, it's a feature.
Click on a menu title, and leave the mouse where it is.
Now move the mouse to one of the menu items, but very briefly
crossing the title of the menu next to it (this is likely to happen
in normal usage because the menu list is wider then the menu title). >> >> >> On Windows, the other menu opens. Pisses me off several times a day. >> >> >
If the mouse leaves through the bottom you stay in the same menu,
no matter where you go next. (as long as it isn't another menu title) >> >> > If the mouse leaves through the side of the name panel
you go to the next menu. This is just as it should be,
No it shouldn't be. Look at this screenshot: https://www.dropbox.com/s/wk2
z82vy5cu0/menu.jpg?dl=0
You click the view menu, then move the mouse cursor as shown on the red >> >> arrow, intending to click full screen edit. But no! You dared to touch >> >> "image" for 1 billionth of a second. Therefore the computer thinks you >> >> want that menu open! If I want the image menu, I'll click the image menu! >> >> The most annoying thing about modern computers is making assumptions.
Yes, just as it should be.
If you exit on the right, to the next menu item,
you should get the next menu item,
Why on earth should I have to take care where I exit? Why on earth would
I open the wrong menu in the first place? [-]
If you are out of control you are out of control,
and nothing can help you,
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 16:40:16 -0000, J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>: >>qe2
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 14:40:10 -0000, J. J. Lodder:
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
Do Macs have this problem Microsoft screwed up on?It ain't a bug, it's a feature.
Click on a menu title, and leave the mouse where it is.
Now move the mouse to one of the menu items, but very briefly
crossing the title of the menu next to it (this is likely to happen
in normal usage because the menu list is wider then the menu title). >> >> >> On Windows, the other menu opens. Pisses me off several times a day. >> >> >
If the mouse leaves through the bottom you stay in the same menu,
no matter where you go next. (as long as it isn't another menu title) >> >> > If the mouse leaves through the side of the name panel
you go to the next menu. This is just as it should be,
No it shouldn't be. Look at this screenshot: https://www.dropbox.com/s/wk2
z82vy5cu0/menu.jpg?dl=0
You click the view menu, then move the mouse cursor as shown on the red >> >> arrow, intending to click full screen edit. But no! You dared to touch >> >> "image" for 1 billionth of a second. Therefore the computer thinks you >> >> want that menu open! If I want the image menu, I'll click the image menu! >> >> The most annoying thing about modern computers is making assumptions.
Yes, just as it should be.
If you exit on the right, to the next menu item,
you should get the next menu item,
Why on earth should I have to take care where I exit? Why on earth would
I open the wrong menu in the first place? [-]
If you are out of control you are out of control,
and nothing can help you,
In article <juojqbF5no4U1@mid.individual.net>, TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
On 30 Nov 2022 at 01:27:19 GMT, ""Commander Kinsey"" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote: >>> I want to go back to the 90s.
We also want you to go back to the 90s. And stay there.
90s bc.
maybe even before that.
Not sure what you're talking about, I have no problem clicking a title bar, or
simply clicking it's button
its button
Contrarywise, the button belongs to it. Peter's button. Fred's button. It's button. Language evolves, make it logical.
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 16:40:16 -0000, J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>: >>qe2
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 14:40:10 -0000, J. J. Lodder:
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
Do Macs have this problem Microsoft screwed up on?It ain't a bug, it's a feature.
Click on a menu title, and leave the mouse where it is.
Now move the mouse to one of the menu items, but very briefly
crossing the title of the menu next to it (this is likely to happen
in normal usage because the menu list is wider then the menu title). >> >> >> On Windows, the other menu opens. Pisses me off several times a day. >> >> >
If the mouse leaves through the bottom you stay in the same menu,
no matter where you go next. (as long as it isn't another menu title) >> >> > If the mouse leaves through the side of the name panel
you go to the next menu. This is just as it should be,
No it shouldn't be. Look at this screenshot: https://www.dropbox.com/s/wk2
z82vy5cu0/menu.jpg?dl=0
You click the view menu, then move the mouse cursor as shown on the red >> >> arrow, intending to click full screen edit. But no! You dared to touch >> >> "image" for 1 billionth of a second. Therefore the computer thinks you >> >> want that menu open! If I want the image menu, I'll click the image menu! >> >> The most annoying thing about modern computers is making assumptions.
Yes, just as it should be.
If you exit on the right, to the next menu item,
you should get the next menu item,
Why on earth should I have to take care where I exit? Why on earth would
I open the wrong menu in the first place? [-]
If you are out of control you are out of control,
and nothing can help you,
On 01 Dec 2022 at 00:14:29 GMT, ""Commander Kinsey"" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
Not sure what you're talking about, I have no problem clicking a title bar, or
simply clicking it's button
its button
Contrarywise, the button belongs to it. Peter's button. Fred's button. It's >> button. Language evolves, make it logical.
That just marks you as uneducated. And you don't get to decide how language evolves.
On Thu, 01 Dec 2022 14:45:41 -0000, TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
On 01 Dec 2022 at 00:14:29 GMT, ""Commander Kinsey"" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote: >>
Not sure what you're talking about, I have no problem clicking a title bar, or
simply clicking it's button
its button
Contrarywise, the button belongs to it. Peter's button. Fred's button. It's >>> button. Language evolves, make it logical.
That just marks you as uneducated. And you don't get to decide how language >> evolves.
Everybody gets to decide. Who "decided" to stop using thou, thee, thy?
On 01 Dec 2022 at 22:36:59 GMT, ""Commander Kinsey"" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2022 14:45:41 -0000, TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote: >>
On 01 Dec 2022 at 00:14:29 GMT, ""Commander Kinsey"" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
Not sure what you're talking about, I have no problem clicking a title bar, or
simply clicking it's button
its button
Contrarywise, the button belongs to it. Peter's button. Fred's button. It's
button. Language evolves, make it logical.
That just marks you as uneducated. And you don't get to decide how language >>> evolves.
Everybody gets to decide. Who "decided" to stop using thou, thee, thy?
Not you George.
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 14:40:10 -0000, J. J. Lodder:z82vy5cu0/menu.jpg?dl=0
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
Do Macs have this problem Microsoft screwed up on?
Click on a menu title, and leave the mouse where it is.
Now move the mouse to one of the menu items, but very briefly crossing the
title of the menu next to it (this is likely to happen in normal usage
because the menu list is wider then the menu title).
On Windows, the other menu opens. Pisses me off several times a day.
It ain't a bug, it's a feature.
If the mouse leaves through the bottom you stay in the same menu,
no matter where you go next. (as long as it isn't another menu title)
If the mouse leaves through the side of the name panel
you go to the next menu. This is just as it should be,
No it shouldn't be. Look at this screenshot: https://www.dropbox.com/s/wk2qe2
You click the view menu, then move the mouse cursor as shown on the red
arrow, intending to click full screen edit. But no! You dared to touch
"image" for 1 billionth of a second. Therefore the computer thinks you
want that menu open! If I want the image menu, I'll click the image menu!
The most annoying thing about modern computers is making assumptions.
Yes, just as it should be.
If you exit on the right, to the next menu item,
you should get the next menu item,
On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 20:00:39 -0000, J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>:wk2
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 16:40:16 -0000, J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>:
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 14:40:10 -0000, J. J. Lodder:
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
Do Macs have this problem Microsoft screwed up on?
Click on a menu title, and leave the mouse where it is.
Now move the mouse to one of the menu items, but very briefly
crossing the title of the menu next to it (this is likely to happen >> >> >> in normal usage because the menu list is wider then the menu title). >> >> >> On Windows, the other menu opens. Pisses me off several times a day.
It ain't a bug, it's a feature.
If the mouse leaves through the bottom you stay in the same menu,
no matter where you go next. (as long as it isn't another menu title) >> >> > If the mouse leaves through the side of the name panel
you go to the next menu. This is just as it should be,
No it shouldn't be. Look at this screenshot: https://www.dropbox.com/s/
qe2
z82vy5cu0/menu.jpg?dl=0
Yes, just as it should be.
You click the view menu, then move the mouse cursor as shown on the
red arrow, intending to click full screen edit. But no! You dared
to touch "image" for 1 billionth of a second. Therefore the
computer thinks you want that menu open! If I want the image menu,
I'll click the image menu!
The most annoying thing about modern computers is making assumptions. >> >
If you exit on the right, to the next menu item,
you should get the next menu item,
Why on earth should I have to take care where I exit? Why on earth would >> I open the wrong menu in the first place? [-]
If you are out of control you are out of control,
and nothing can help you,
GLAH! What is it with Apple "design"? Have you ever tried to read the
small grey text on the back of a white Apple power supply? They're not
right in the head!
GLAH! What is it with Apple "design"? Have you ever tried to read the
small grey text on the back of a white Apple power supply? They're not
right in the head!
No problem, use a magnifying glass if your eyes are too old.
Why mar a beautiful design with fat ugly lettering?
No problem, use a magnifying glass if your eyes are too old.
Why mar a beautiful design with fat ugly lettering?
On 4 Dec 2022 at 21:00:40 GMT, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote:
GLAH! What is it with Apple "design"? Have you ever tried to read the
small grey text on the back of a white Apple power supply? They're not
right in the head!
No problem, use a magnifying glass if your eyes are too old.
Why mar a beautiful design with fat ugly lettering?
Yes, why indeed? Why mar ANY beautiful design by making it actually useful?
One of my biggest gripes (and my eyes ARE pretty old) is lettering that is too
small. Or partially greyed out, or in red on a green background (I am slightly
red/green colour blind) or any situation in which usefulness has been sactrificed to design.
Apple are particularly susceptible to the lack-of-contrast syndrome :-{
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
No problem, use a magnifying glass if your eyes are too old.
Why mar a beautiful design with fat ugly lettering?
You could use this feature?
System Settings/Preferences > Accessibility > Zoom
On 05/12/2022 10:46, Alan B wrote:
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
No problem, use a magnifying glass if your eyes are too old.
Why mar a beautiful design with fat ugly lettering?
You could use this feature?
System Settings/Preferences > Accessibility > Zoom
Not much help while looking at the charger :-)
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 05/12/2022 10:46, Alan B wrote:
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
No problem, use a magnifying glass if your eyes are too old.
Why mar a beautiful design with fat ugly lettering?
You could use this feature?
System Settings/Preferences > Accessibility > Zoom
Not much help while looking at the charger :-)
True :) I was thinking generically - well that’s my excuse ;-)
John Hill <watcombeman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
On 4 Dec 2022 at 21:00:40 GMT, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote:
GLAH! What is it with Apple "design"? Have you ever tried to read the >> >> small grey text on the back of a white Apple power supply? They're not >> >> right in the head!
No problem, use a magnifying glass if your eyes are too old.
Why mar a beautiful design with fat ugly lettering?
Yes, why indeed? Why mar ANY beautiful design by making it actually useful?
What do you mean 'useful'?
How often do you really need this information?
(if at all)
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 20:00:39 -0000, J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>: >>
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 16:40:16 -0000, J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>:
Yes, just as it should be.
If you exit on the right, to the next menu item,
you should get the next menu item,
Why on earth should I have to take care where I exit? Why on earth would >> >> I open the wrong menu in the first place? [-]
If you are out of control you are out of control,
and nothing can help you,
GLAH! What is it with Apple "design"? Have you ever tried to read the
small grey text on the back of a white Apple power supply? They're not
right in the head!
No problem, use a magnifying glass if your eyes are too old.
Why mar a beautiful design with fat ugly lettering?
On Mon, 05 Dec 2022 13:07:04 -0000, Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 05/12/2022 10:46, Alan B wrote:
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
No problem, use a magnifying glass if your eyes are too old.
Why mar a beautiful design with fat ugly lettering?
You could use this feature?
System Settings/Preferences > Accessibility > Zoom
Not much help while looking at the charger :-)
True :) I was thinking generically - well that’s my excuse ;-)
No problem with lettering on any screen, since it's usually sensibly
black on white. But Apple don't do that on their power supplies.
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 05 Dec 2022 13:07:04 -0000, Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 05/12/2022 10:46, Alan B wrote:
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
No problem, use a magnifying glass if your eyes are too old.
Why mar a beautiful design with fat ugly lettering?
You could use this feature?
System Settings/Preferences > Accessibility > Zoom
Not much help while looking at the charger :-)
True :) I was thinking generically - well that’s my excuse ;-)
No problem with lettering on any screen, since it's usually sensibly
black on white. But Apple don't do that on their power supplies.
What I usually when printing on anything is too small or faint to read is
to take a pic with my iPhone and then magnify it in the Photos app. Experimenting with the various editing options helps too.
On Sun, 04 Dec 2022 21:00:40 -0000, J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>:
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 20:00:39 -0000, J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>:
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>:
Yes, just as it should be.
If you exit on the right, to the next menu item,
you should get the next menu item,
Why on earth should I have to take care where I exit? Why on earth
would I open the wrong menu in the first place? [-]
If you are out of control you are out of control,
and nothing can help you,
GLAH! What is it with Apple "design"? Have you ever tried to read the
small grey text on the back of a white Apple power supply? They're not
right in the head!
No problem, use a magnifying glass if your eyes are too old.
Why mar a beautiful design with fat ugly lettering?
The lettering is on the back and obscured by the wall when plugged in.
And it's a power supply not an ornament.
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 05 Dec 2022 13:07:04 -0000, Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 05/12/2022 10:46, Alan B wrote:
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
No problem, use a magnifying glass if your eyes are too old.
Why mar a beautiful design with fat ugly lettering?
You could use this feature?
System Settings/Preferences > Accessibility > Zoom
Not much help while looking at the charger :-)
True :) I was thinking generically - well that’s my excuse ;-)
No problem with lettering on any screen, since it's usually sensibly
black on white. But Apple don't do that on their power supplies.
What I usually when printing on anything is too small or faint to read is
to take a pic with my iPhone and then magnify it in the Photos app. Experimenting with the various editing options helps too.
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 05 Dec 2022 13:07:04 -0000, Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 05/12/2022 10:46, Alan B wrote:
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
No problem, use a magnifying glass if your eyes are too old.
Why mar a beautiful design with fat ugly lettering?
You could use this feature?
System Settings/Preferences > Accessibility > Zoom
Not much help while looking at the charger :-)
True :) I was thinking generically - well that’s my excuse ;-)
No problem with lettering on any screen, since it's usually sensibly
black on white. But Apple don't do that on their power supplies.
What I usually when printing on anything is too small or faint to read is
to take a pic with my iPhone and then magnify it in the Photos app. Experimenting with the various editing options helps too.
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Sun, 04 Dec 2022 21:00:40 -0000, J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>: >>
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 20:00:39 -0000, J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>:
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>:
Yes, just as it should be.
If you exit on the right, to the next menu item,
you should get the next menu item,
Why on earth should I have to take care where I exit? Why on earth
would I open the wrong menu in the first place? [-]
If you are out of control you are out of control,
and nothing can help you,
GLAH! What is it with Apple "design"? Have you ever tried to read the >> >> small grey text on the back of a white Apple power supply? They're not >> >> right in the head!
No problem, use a magnifying glass if your eyes are too old.
Why mar a beautiful design with fat ugly lettering?
The lettering is on the back and obscured by the wall when plugged in.
And it's a power supply not an ornament.
What information would you want/need to read on the back of your charger while your iPhone is charging?
On Mon, 05 Dec 2022 13:26:56 -0000, Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 05 Dec 2022 13:07:04 -0000, Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 05/12/2022 10:46, Alan B wrote:
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
No problem, use a magnifying glass if your eyes are too old.
Why mar a beautiful design with fat ugly lettering?
You could use this feature?
System Settings/Preferences > Accessibility > Zoom
Not much help while looking at the charger :-)
True :) I was thinking generically - well that’s my excuse ;-)
No problem with lettering on any screen, since it's usually sensibly
black on white. But Apple don't do that on their power supplies.
What I usually when printing on anything is too small or faint to read is
to take a pic with my iPhone and then magnify it in the Photos app.
Experimenting with the various editing options helps too.
Can you bluetooth pics to your Apple computer? Or does it have the same anti-copyright/you must buy from Itunes blocking shit as when you try to bluetooth to an Android?
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 05 Dec 2022 13:26:56 -0000, Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 05 Dec 2022 13:07:04 -0000, Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 05/12/2022 10:46, Alan B wrote:
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
No problem, use a magnifying glass if your eyes are too old.
Why mar a beautiful design with fat ugly lettering?
You could use this feature?
System Settings/Preferences > Accessibility > Zoom
Not much help while looking at the charger :-)
True :) I was thinking generically - well that’s my excuse ;-)
No problem with lettering on any screen, since it's usually sensibly
black on white. But Apple don't do that on their power supplies.
What I usually when printing on anything is too small or faint to read is >>> to take a pic with my iPhone and then magnify it in the Photos app.
Experimenting with the various editing options helps too.
Can you bluetooth pics to your Apple computer? Or does it have the same
anti-copyright/you must buy from Itunes blocking shit as when you try to
bluetooth to an Android?
I have the iCloud Photos option invoked so pics get synced to any other
Apple device using this option including my macOS devices. No s*** involved ;-)
But can you simply send a file from your phone to your computer with bluetooth, the way the rest of the world does it, without having to work out complicated synch nonsense?
What if I texted you a pdf? Can you bluetooth that across so you can view it on the big screen or print it?
On Mon, 05 Dec 2022 16:45:33 -0000, J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>:
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Sun, 04 Dec 2022 21:00:40 -0000, J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>:
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 20:00:39, J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>: >> >>
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>:
Yes, just as it should be.
If you exit on the right, to the next menu item,
you should get the next menu item,
Why on earth should I have to take care where I exit? Why on earth >> >> >> would I open the wrong menu in the first place? [-]
If you are out of control you are out of control,
and nothing can help you,
GLAH! What is it with Apple "design"? Have you ever tried to read the >> >> small grey text on the back of a white Apple power supply? They're not >> >> right in the head!
No problem, use a magnifying glass if your eyes are too old.
Why mar a beautiful design with fat ugly lettering?
The lettering is on the back and obscured by the wall when plugged in.
And it's a power supply not an ornament.
What information would you want/need to read on the back of your charger while your iPhone is charging?
I never said while it was charging. It was while I was selecting which charger was the most powerful to charge quickly.
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 05 Dec 2022 16:45:33 -0000, J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>: >>
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Sun, 04 Dec 2022 21:00:40 -0000, J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>:
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 20:00:39, J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>: >> >> >>
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>:
Yes, just as it should be.
If you exit on the right, to the next menu item,
you should get the next menu item,
Why on earth should I have to take care where I exit? Why on earth >> >> >> >> would I open the wrong menu in the first place? [-]
If you are out of control you are out of control,
and nothing can help you,
GLAH! What is it with Apple "design"? Have you ever tried to read the
small grey text on the back of a white Apple power supply? They're not
right in the head!
No problem, use a magnifying glass if your eyes are too old.
Why mar a beautiful design with fat ugly lettering?
The lettering is on the back and obscured by the wall when plugged in.
And it's a power supply not an ornament.
What information would you want/need to read on the back of your charger >> > while your iPhone is charging?
I never said while it was charging. It was while I was selecting which
charger was the most powerful to charge quickly.
You did, see above.
And yes, being in the proximity of others every now and then
I have found it useful to mark -my- chargers
with a small piece of coloured tape.
On the pin side of course, so invisible when plugged in.
Nothing to do with Apple's lettering,
John Hill <watcombeman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
On 4 Dec 2022 at 21:00:40 GMT, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote:
GLAH! What is it with Apple "design"? Have you ever tried to read the >>>> small grey text on the back of a white Apple power supply? They're not >>>> right in the head!
No problem, use a magnifying glass if your eyes are too old.
Why mar a beautiful design with fat ugly lettering?
Yes, why indeed? Why mar ANY beautiful design by making it actually useful?
What do you mean 'useful'?
How often do you really need this information?
(if at all)
Jan
One of my biggest gripes (and my eyes ARE pretty old) is lettering that is too
small. Or partially greyed out, or in red on a green background (I am slightly
red/green colour blind) or any situation in which usefulness has been
sactrificed to design.
Apple are particularly susceptible to the lack-of-contrast syndrome :-{
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